Is the giant Og still alive?

I was reading Eusebius's Preparation for the Gospel when I came across this curious section in Book 5 chapter 17.


"So then Philip had witnesses to his story in some of those who were present, and had heard it from the aged Aemiiian. But Demetrius said that there were many desert islands scattered about among those on the coast of Britain, some of which were named after daemons and heroes. And that he himself, being sent by the Emperor to make an investigation and survey, sailed to the nearest of the desert islands, which had but few inhabitants, and these all sacred persons inviolable to the Britons.


'Very soon after his arrival there arose a great commotion in the air, and many portents in the sky, and violent blasts of wind, and falling of thunderbolts. And when this abated, the islanders said that one of the higher powers had been extinguished; for as a lamp, they said, while lighted does no harm, but being extinguished is hurtful to many, so great souls are benignant and harmless in their shining, but their extinction and dissolution oftentimes, as now, cause winds and storms, and often infect the air with pestilent diseases.


'There was however one island there, in which Kronos was confined and guarded in his sleep by Briareus; for his sleep had been artfully contrived to keep him bound; and there were many daemons about him as attendants and servants.'."


There are two things of interest here. One is the storm, which has been said to accompany the discovery of megalithic sites or Nephilm bones. The second is Kronos. Both Og and Kronos were known as the leader of the Titans and Thallos, a first century Greek historian, identifies Og as none other than Kronos.

I looked into this concept further and it appears to be a part of a larger legend that either takes place in the Mediterranean or the Atlantic off the coast of "Briton"...I guess meaning the whole area. It refers to 3 islands, the Island of Ogygia and the Island where Kronos sleeps. I'm not sure what the third island is called or if it's even named. The myths have the island as both real and unreal as appearing and disappearing. Plutarch describes it as only being accessible every 30 years while others say 7 years.

According to plutarch it becomes accessible after a constellational alignment...
"Now when at intervals of thirty years the star of Cronus, which we call ‘Splendent’ but they, our author said, call ‘Night-watchman’, enters the sign of the Bull, they, having spent a long time in preparation for the sacrifice and the expedition, choose by lot and send forth a sufficient number of envoys in a correspondingly sufficient number of ships, putting aboard a large retinue and the provisions necessary for men who are going to cross so much sea by oar and live such a long time in a foreign land. Now when they have put to sea the several voyagers meet with various fortunes as one might expect ; but those who survive the voyage first put in at the outlying islands, which are inhabited by Greeks, and see the sun pass out of sight for less than an hour over a period of thirty days, and this is night, though it has a darkness that is slight and twilight glimmering from the west."

I don't know whether the island is a physical location or a spiritual location but it's interesting that he is not dead but bound in sleep in some tangent with earth. Perhaps he is one that will become unbound in the last days. A sleeping cthulhu upon the Atlantic.

i would say no, because the early "giants" (genetic aberations) were killed by the flood and the geophysical changes that occurred.....that indicates that they were/are not immortal, i would think....sansanoy, you are a great poster, keep it going!

I had forgotten that Moses thoroughly killed Og. Kronos and Og are strongly associated geographically and typology but perhaps they are different after all. Or maybe sleep is the sleep of death and this is where his body lays.

Sansanoy wrote:

I had forgotten that Moses thoroughly killed Og. Kronos and Og are strongly associated geographically and typology but perhaps they are different after all. Or maybe sleep is the sleep of death and this is where his body lays.

help me here, sans, where did you read that moses killed Og?....either i forgot it or i missed it somewhere along the line.

Numbers 21:33
³³ Then they turned and went up by the way to Bashan. And Og the king of Bashan came out against them, he and all his people, to battle at Edrei. ³⁴ But the Lord said to Moses, “Do not fear him, for I have given him into your hand, and all his people, and his land. And you shall do to him as you did to Sihon king of the Amorites, who lived at Heshbon.” ³⁵ So they defeated him and his sons and all his people, until he had no survivor left. And they possessed his land.

let me do some split-hair theology here....it does not say that he was killed, but that HE had no survivor left....the sentence structure of the narrative  would indicate that Og survived, would it not?...interesting

You're right. If you take out the part in the commas it says "They defeated him until he had no survivor left. And they possessed his land." That is definitely not "killed" but cut off. Good catch!

okay sans ole' buddy, here is what i think, and i will not present the scripture to back up this theory/circumstantial case because you and others are quite familiar with it....i think, like researcher, that there are nephillim/hybrids alive today and they number in the millions( my guess)....from the time Christ rode the little jackass into Jerusalem until the late 19th and early 20th centuries, men were still riding jackasses, and riding in wagons....man, thats around 1900 hundred years and then technology started its move to the forefront of american society....did men just get smart after being dumbasses for 19 centuries?.....in the book of enoch, it describes men and women being taught the "secrets of heaven" and in that account in enoch, along with the book of jasher, it describes men being taught the art of genetic manipulation of species.....when you combine the obvious mystery concerning UFO "abductions" and do a little logical thinking, the possibility of this absurd situation occurring today becomes very believable....the first time this happened it produced giants (gegenes in greek, and nephillim in hebrew) since these dimensional creatures called the watchers, were able to mess with the genetics of men and animals, why could they not do so now in order to produce hybrid humans that possess intellectual and technical "giants" to "discover" and produce all of the magical stuff called technology of today?....i know all about the "demonic stuff" associated with the Vril society, and the thule society and aleister crawley and the communication with other worldly beings, etc, along with songwriters being guided to write songs that had huge success, and when you factor all things together, you have to consider this being a possibility......it is my opinion that something happened to the genetics of men that made them smarter and to be able to "hear" and "see" things that a regular human can't....the mysterious "they" in daniel 2 and mathew 24......we are natural pawns in a supernatural matrix that is being directed by preternatural beings.....let me illustrate this by using this computer in front of me.....how does it work?...you have a piece of uncured glass containing a series of tiny switches operating something called a hard drive that does not ever forget a damn thing....a normal man or woman, ain't smart enough to build one of these things on their own.....think about it

Let’s parse this again, shall we.
 

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³⁴ But the Lord said to Moses, “Do not fear him, for I have given him into your hand, and all his people, and his land. And you shall do to him as you did to Sihon king of the Amorites, who lived at Heshbon.” ³⁵ So they defeated him and his sons and all his people, until he had no survivor left. And they possessed his land.

Sooooo, to find out what happened to Og and his people we need too find out what exactly happened to Sihon king of the Amorites, who lived at Heshbon. It’s that “you shall do to him as you did to Sihon king of the Amorites” part that determines the fate of Og.
 
Both are already written about in Numbers 21 – total defeat of Sihon = total defeat of Og.
 

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“Do not be afraid of him, for I have delivered him into your hands, along with his whole army and his land. Do to him what you did to Sihon king of the Amorites, who reigned in Heshbon.”

The entirety of the Amorites, who lived at Heshbon was wiped out! GONE! Bible says that Og suffered the same fate. There is no getting around it. Og was and still is 100% dead meat.
 
Hey, take a look at another source. Josephus wrote about this in his “Antiquities of the Jews” book 4 chapter 5. Have a look-see below. I’ve pasted the entire chapter complete with hi-lites so ya don’t have to go hunting up the juicy bits.

Josephus wrote:

How Moses Conquered Sihon And Og Kings Of The Amorites, And Destroyed Their Whole Army And Then Divided Their Land By Lot To Two Tribes And A Half Of The Hebrews

1. The people mourned for Aaron thirty days, and when this mourning was over, Moses removed the army from that place, and came to the river Arnon, which, issuing out of the mountains of Arabia, and running through all that wilderness, falls into the lake Asphaltitis, and becomes the limit between the land of the Moabites and the land of the Amorites. This land is fruitful, and sufficient to maintain a great number of men, with the good things it produces. Moses therefore sent messengers to Sihon, the king of this country, desiring that he would grant his army a passage, upon what security he should please to require; he promised that he should be no way injured, neither as to that country which Sihon governed, nor as to its inhabitants; and that he would buy his provisions at such a price as should be to their advantage, even though he should desire to sell them their very water. But Sihon refused his offer, and put his army into battle array, and was preparing every thing in order to hinder their passing over Arnon.

2. When Moses saw that the Amorite king was disposed to enter upon hostilities with them, he thought he ought not to bear that insult; and, determining to wean the Hebrews from their indolent temper, and prevent the disorders which arose thence, which had been the occasion of their former sedition, (nor indeed were they now thoroughly easy in their minds,) he inquired of God, whether he would give him leave to fight? which when he had done, and God also promised him the victory, he was himself very courageous, and ready to proceed to fighting. Accordingly he encouraged the soldiers; and he desired of them that they would take the pleasure of fighting, now God gave them leave so to do. They then, upon the receipt of this permission, which they so much longed for, put on their whole armor, and set about the work without delay. But the Amorite king was not now like to himself when the Hebrews were ready to attack him; but both he himself was affrighted at the Hebrews, and his army, which before had showed themselves to be of good courage, were then found to be timorous: so they could not sustain the first onset, nor bear up against the Hebrews, but fled away, as thinking this would afford them a more likely way for their escape than fighting, for they depended upon their cities, which were strong, from which yet they reaped no advantage when they were forced to fly to them; for as soon as the Hebrews saw them giving ground, they immediately pursued them close; and when they had broken their ranks, they greatly terrified them, and some of them broke off from the rest, and ran away to the cities. Now the Hebrews pursued them briskly, and obstinately persevered in the labors they had already undergone; and being very skillful in slinging, and very dexterous in throwing of darts, or any thing else of that kind, and also having nothing but light armor, which made them quick in the pursuit, they overtook their enemies; and for those that were most remote, and could not be overtaken, they reached them by their slings and their bows, so that many were slain; and those that escaped the slaughter were sorely wounded, and these were more distressed with thirst than with any of those that fought against them, for it was the summer season; .and when the greatest number of them were brought down to the river out of a desire to drink, as also when others fled away by troops, the Hebrews came round them, and shot at them; so that, what with darts and what with arrows, they made a slaughter of them all. Sihon their king was also slain. So the Hebrews spoiled the dead bodies, and took their prey. The land also which they took was full of abundance of fruits, and the army went all over it without fear, and fed their cattle upon it; and they took the enemies prisoners, for they could no way put a stop to them, since all the fighting men were destroyed. Such was the destruction which overtook the Amorites, who were neither sagacious in counsel, nor courageous in action. Hereupon the Hebrews took possession of their land, which is a country situate between three rivers, and naturally resembled an island: the river Arnon being its southern ; the river Jabbok determining its northern side, which running into Jordan loses its own name, and takes the other; while Jordan itself runs along by it, on its western coast.


3. When matters were come to this state, Og, the king of Gilead and Gaulanitis, fell upon the Israelites. He brought an army with him, and in haste to the assistance of his friend Sihon: but though he found him already slain, yet did he resolve still to come and fight the Hebrews, supposing he should be too hard for them, and being desirous to try their valor; but failing of his hope, he was both himself slain in the battle, and all his army was destroyed. So Moses passed over the river Jabbok, and overran the kingdom of Og. He overthrew their cities, and slew all their inhabitants, who yet exceeded in riches all the men in that part of the continent, on account of the goodness of the soil, and the great quantity of their wealth. Now Og had very few equals, either in the largeness of his body, or handsomeness of his appearance. He was also a man of great activity in the use of his hands, so that his actions were not unequal to the vast largeness and handsome appearance of his body. And men could easily guess at his strength and magnitude when they took his bed at Rabbath, the royal city of the Ammonites; its structure was of iron, its breadth four cubits, and its length a cubit more than double thereto. However, his fall did not only improve the circumstances of the Hebrews for the present, but by his death he was the occasion of further good success to them; for they presently took those sixty cities, which were encompassed with excellent walls, and had been subject to him, and all got both in general and in particular a great prey.

Yeah our technological development is happening so fast I can't keep up with it. I remember seeing a car commercial just a couple of years ago depicting a driver that falls asleep and veers into the other lane and the car corrects itself automatically. Then just this year I heard we have driver-less ubers, and in 3 years they will fly. With science being the ego religion of mankind I doubt they will ever see how suspicious and improbable our advancement has been.

One of the things that might be going on with the hybridization is the restoration of old DNA. When a giant died it's spirit became a demon. That demon can cohabit another humans body, but that body must have it's primary soul. I think our souls and body are aligned like a lock and a key. So to resurrect a demon spirit it would have to have most of it's original Nephilim body to go into. Most if not all of that DNA is floating around in humanity in pieces. It should be possible to breed those traits back in through a large and successive breeding program which is what we find in Dr Jacobs works. Most of the cases of UFO abduction follow a generational course, it follows a family through generations. So we wind up with a highly successive breeding program that follows certain bloodlines.

These demons were the beloved children of these fallen angels who now suffer in the abyss. It makes sense that they would try to save them from their fate. If they could breed the DNA up to a point where the next birth would result in the DNA of a specific Nephilim then that demon spirit could lock onto it's old body at the moment of proper ensoulment. It could "ride along" whatever process passes on life between parent and child in such a way that it ensures it's own ensoulment rather than a new soul. In this manner the fallen angels could rescue their children rather than create new ones.

So rather than the sexual procreation from the past they may be using the inbuilt system of human procreation to "result" in the resurrection of the prior Nephilim. It's a way to cause the resurrection of the demon spirits without committing the same sin of the past. There may even be more to it than that though.

When the Nephilim died they were stuck in their human desires and it appears that without a body they are unable to change their condition. They may think that if they regain a body, they will somehow gain access to the forgiveness they were denied in the book of Enoch. A body that contains the essential part that makes it eligible for forgiveness but also contains the essential DNA to be ensouled by the right demon.

No way to verify it, just some thoughts I have had while trying to figure out what would be the strongest reasons for what we see them doing.

Og is dead,case closed......perry mason ain't got ***t on researcher!!!!

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Sooooo, to find out what happened to Og and his people we need too find out what exactly happened to Sihon king of the Amorites, who lived at Heshbon. It’s that “you shall do to him as you did to Sihon king of the Amorites” part that determines the fate of Og.

 
I had considered that route but I couldn't tell from the description that the king of Sihon was slain either. I have read Josephus but did not remember this section. I'm glad you remembered it because it really clears it up.

sansanoy, you make a good point.....now, lets look at CERN, and its connection to nimrod, who ultimately became the pagan sun god throughout all of the pagan cultures in history.....lets look at revelation 9 and consider that apollyon is greek for what we know as apollo who, originally, was god of the sun and the moon, and abbadon, the destroyer....was the LHC not built on the exact spot of where a temple to apollo once was?....the sculpture of sheva that sits in front of it, inside the ouroboros , who is called the  destroyer?....the angel with the key....a key is something that unlocks something...so the abyss will be unlocked and the ones who have been held captive are let loose.....are these the "evil spirits" that are spoken about in enoch?...if so, do they find a body to inhabit.....is Cern the KEY that allows them to come through?....i know revelation is symbolic, but even so, those symbols represent something....are the UFO abductions, just another way to describe the events of genesis 6?.....i honestly think the answers to all are "yes" and it does appear that scripture will back that up

Thats interesting about the sun. 666 is the designation for the Babylonian square for the sun. Each square had a number that associated it with a heavenly body. If you take the number 666 you can build a specific Babylonian square. If you have a name associated with that realm, like Apollyon, you can convert the numbers to letters which when traced form a symbol for that name. Those symbols were often used in amulets as a representation of the name of an entity. So name, number, and mark.

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Thats interesting about the sun. 666 is the designation for the Babylonian square for the sun. Each square had a number that associated it with a heavenly body. If you take the number 666 you can build a specific Babylonian square. If you have a name associated with that realm, like Apollyon, you can convert the numbers to letters which when traced form a symbol for that name. Those symbols were often used in amulets as a representation of the name of an entity. So name, number, and mark.

there is one that wears an amulet with the sun depicted on it....hint: he wears a fish hat

sansanoy, i love the old testament and its occult nature, having the entire new testament hidden inside it....i especially love the book of genesis because the entire bible is hidden in it....if people get genesis right, and come to a full and complete understanding of it, the rest of the bible is easy to grasp....the problem with people  getting genesis right is that without the books of jasher and enoch, its impossible....if a person will study enoch and jasher, then go back to genesis, the light pops on and all things become clear....genesis even reveals the identity of anti-christ.....revelation opens with the revelation of "the one that was, and is and is to come" which is Jesus....revelation 17 gives you another phrase, which is very close to that in which the description of "the one that was and is not and is to come"......its obvious who that is.....here is a one question test for you: who is the antichrist....the clue is that he has been here before, he was not present in Johns day, but he is coming back at some future time and he is of all 7 of the kings or kingdoms....more hints in revelation 13.....they will "built an image" and cause it to speak.....lets see how good you are, and i do think you know your stuff

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"built an image" and cause it to speak.....

Quantum computers - using entangled Q-bits. Artificial intelligence . . . the singularity, merging man and machine. Human 2.0 - H+ movement - goal to be done by year 2035. It's all out there for the world to see right now. Research all that! You might want to review a topic we were discussing earlier this month. Seems like science fiction and it is way WAY out there but deserves another look. Might be new stuff for you Sansanoy to consider, especially the Anthony Patch video on YouTube at the link below.

The Quantum world is a weird place. It's WOO-WOO on steroids!

https://watchermeet-up.forumotion.com/t16263-warning-anthony-patch-cern-will-resurrect-nimrod-and-his-band-of-nephilim-demons

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sansanoy, i love the old testament and its occult nature, having the entire new testament hidden inside it....i especially love the book of genesis because the entire bible is hidden in it....if people get genesis right, and come to a full and complete understanding of it, the rest of the bible is easy to grasp....the problem with people  getting genesis right is that without the books of jasher and enoch, its impossible....if a person will study enoch and jasher, then go back to genesis, the light pops on and all things become clear....genesis even reveals the identity of anti-christ.....revelation opens with the revelation of "the one that was, and is and is to come" which is Jesus....revelation 17 gives you another phrase, which is very close to that in which the description of "the one that was and is not and is to come"......its obvious who that is.....here is a one question test for you: who is the antichrist....the clue is that he has been here before, he was not present in Johns day, but he is coming back at some future time and he is of all 7 of the kings or kingdoms....more hints in revelation 13.....they will "built an image" and cause it to speak.....lets see how good you are, and i do think you know your stuff

At this point in my search I hold Nimrod to be the strongest candidate. I'm not settled on anything though and prefer to keep watch from all directions when it comes to end times stuff.

yes, you got it right...nimrod was the first to try to build a world empire with him as king....he went through a name change to be called king am RA  phel as documented in the book of jasher...his evil wife established the first religion with her story of nimrod , after his death, becoming the sun god and her illegitimate son, tammuz, was the product of her being impregnated by a sun beam.....this religion of mithraism endured down through history with each culture (egypt, assyria,babylon, medo-persia,greece,rome) having some form of pagan worship system based on semiramus's false religion....she was referred to as the "queen of heaven" and she became isis, ishtar,dianna,athena,etc...you now can recognize her as "mary, mother of God, the queen of heaven"...nimrod is the anti-christ, and his wife is the symbolic woman that rides the beast because she orchestrated the first pagan religious system that centered on goddess worship....uh, where do you see that now?....now, is nimrod going to be resurrected?...nah, i don't think so....could he be cloned?....maybe, and i want to lean toward this due to something in genesis..,..damn, i hate to type....God made adam in His image.....God piled up some dirt that had all the elements and minerals in it for a body and He breathed life into it.....the difference in things that have or have had life at some point, and the things like rocks,dirt,metals etc is the presence of DNA, which was the "breath of life" that God put in to adam and all living things to various degrees....DNA is the "image of GOD" that was placed in adam....it can't be anything else......notice, they build an image and cause it to speak ....the image of the beast...with the advent and the obvious eventuality of AI, it appears that nimrod will be rebuilt.....how?...cloning, maybe....combining DNA with quantum computers to produce a hybrid man-machine, maybe, but that is above my paygrade)....it is an attempt to finish what was started at babel, to achieve immortality by circumventing God.....there is a verse in revelation 9, that says that "men will seek death and not find it".....kinda' makes me think that that immortality thing might, someday, almost work.....i do know that some of the super rich are paying kids of the same blood type to hook up and to them via transfusion methods and let the young blood flow through their bodies to rebuild the cells and organs that age has damaged.....

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/05/140504-swapping-young-blood-for-old-reverses-aging/

https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/are-rich-people-already-infusing-themselves-with-young-blood

there are a lot of things to consider in deciphering this little equation