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PostSubject: WHAT???did Israel President just say?   Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:46 am

http://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/rivlin-thanks-trump-for-recognizing-significance-of-jerusalem-to-the-jewish-people/


The buzz word for Peace in the Middle East is the 3 "Abrahamic religions"!

 "...Finally, (Israeli President Reuven) Rivlin mentions the fact that Trump, during his first visit overseas as US president, will visit the holy sites of all three Abrahamic religions. “We each have different beliefs — but we all worship the same God,” the Israeli president says. “We can work together towards a better future. We shall continue to do so, together.

J.D. Faraq talks about other important notes on the Trump M.E. tour that I hadn't heard before:
next post I'll add in Amir Tsarfati's sermon for more Israeli point of view.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK6thSP7WII


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PostSubject: Re: WHAT???did Israel President just say?   Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:21 pm

I found Amir's video re: Trump.  He's just saying everyone calm down.  He's not the Messiah (or false Messiah); everyone knows there will be no real peace; nothing happens till after Ezekiel 38, etc.  He was admonishing the online watchers who read too much into things.  And he's very much a respecter of Trump; feels his Saudi deal is good for America; respects Trump's visit to the wailing wall; and understands putting off moving the embassy as there was great American resistance from Obama throwbacks still in position.

It's here if U'd like to hear it:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30ZOxDWvkbM


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PostSubject: Re: WHAT???did Israel President just say?   Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:02 pm

Dove wrote:
I found Amir's video re: Trump.  He's just saying everyone calm down.  He's not the Messiah (or false Messiah); everyone knows there will be no real peace; nothing happens till after Ezekiel 38, etc.  He was admonishing the online watchers who read too much into things.  And he's very much a respecter of Trump; feels his Saudi deal is good for America; respects Trump's visit to the wailing wall; and understands putting off moving the embassy as there was great American resistance from Obama throwbacks still in position.

It's here if U'd like to hear it:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30ZOxDWvkbM
dove, when i sit down after my day is over, i want to show you something about the timing of eze: 38.....i won't make any assertions, so you make up your own mind....
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PostSubject: Re: WHAT???did Israel President just say?   Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:57 pm

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i want to show you something about the timing of eze: 38.....i won't make any assertions, so you make up your own mind....

I'm looking forward to seeing that as well.


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PostSubject: Re: WHAT???did Israel President just say?   Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:42 pm

due to the humidity, my day ended sooner than expected....one of the worse days, humidity-wise, i have ever seen in this part of alabama....i have seen worse in the 15 years that we lived on the lake, but not up here in the hills where i was raised....

researcher, dove, here is how i want ya'll to look at this: if possible, forget everything that you have ever heard about ezekial 38 and its supposed timing....i am not dogmatic about this, just like i am not dogmatic about the timing of the rapture....i AM dogmatic about what the bible says about them, interpreted correctly, and thats why i am at odds with the large majority of the Christian world.....i actually believe what the bible says....the prophet ezekial foretells events in sequence ....it has a timeline and is not like the symbolism in revelation, symbolism that , on occasion, overlaps....lets take a look at ole zeke 38:....researcher, i am trying to copy and paste ezekial 38 and revelation 20 and as soon as i paste it here, my print gets smaller and the copy/paste is all mangled.....i am not going to try to post any copy and paste stuff but it is going to be hard to state my point without the scripture....can you post both chapter in here after this post of mine?
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PostSubject: Re: WHAT???did Israel President just say?   Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:03 pm

i am going to try to do this in here:
And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:


now revelation 20: 7-9


And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them
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PostSubject: Re: WHAT???did Israel President just say?   Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:56 pm

Ah Ha!   But I've worn out my thinker for the day..so hopefully I can say something intelligent in the morning.  (I never know for sure Wink)


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PostSubject: Re: WHAT???did Israel President just say?   Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:47 pm

Michael wrote:
the prophet ezekial foretells events in sequence

And that chronological "sequence" is what will cause your Rev. 20 argument to fail and fall apart. After God destroys the new Gog-Magog crowd (Remember that Satan is loosed from the pit AFTER the 1000 years) then the Great White Throne judgement, the New Jerusalem, and all the wonderfulness that follows. Rev. 20 and onward is "get 'er done and over with' time. Think about this, isn't Satan really at the heart and soul of Gog-Magog? Gog-Magog in Rev. 20 is just used as a euphemism for the same-o same-o Satan lead crapola that we are seeing every day today.

Now for a look at "chronological" Ezekiel 38 and 39.

1 - Hook in jaw, armies form
2 - Israel attack
3 - Huge earthquake
4 - Armies fall on the mountains
5 - God's name is known worldwide
6 - Birds feast on the dead
7 - Folks are cleaning up the dead for 7 months
8 - Israel burns fuel captured from fallen armies for 7 years
9 - Israel restored
10 - And so begins the start of the millennium

I skipped around there somewhat but the take-a-way from all this is none of that happens after the 1000 years are up.


Ezekiel 38 (ESV) wrote:

Prophecy Against Gog




38 The word of the Lord came to me: “Son of man, set your face toward Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech[a] and Tubal, and prophesy against him and say, Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech[b] and Tubal. And I will turn you about and put hooks into your jaws, and I will bring you out, and all your army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed in full armor, a great host, all of them with buckler and shield, wielding swords. Persia, Cush, and Put are with them, all of them with shield and helmet; Gomer and all his hordes; Beth-togarmah from the uttermost parts of the north with all his hordes—many peoples are with you.
“Be ready and keep ready, you and all your hosts that are assembled about you, and be a guard for them. After many days you will be mustered. In the latter years you will go against the land that is restored from war, the land whose people were gathered from many peoples upon the mountains of Israel, which had been a continual waste. Its people were brought out from the peoples and now dwell securely, all of them. You will advance, coming on like a storm. You will be like a cloud covering the land, you and all your hordes, and many peoples with you.
10 “Thus says the Lord God: On that day, thoughts will come into your mind, and you will devise an evil scheme 11 and say, ‘I will go up against the land of unwalled villages. I will fall upon the quiet people who dwell securely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having no bars or gates,’ 12 to seize spoil and carry off plunder, to turn your hand against the waste places that are now inhabited, and the people who were gathered from the nations, who have acquired livestock and goods, who dwell at the center of the earth. 13 Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish and all its leaders[c] will say to you, ‘Have you come to seize spoil? Have you assembled your hosts to carry off plunder, to carry away silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods, to seize great spoil?’
14 “Therefore, son of man, prophesy, and say to Gog, Thus says the Lord God: On that day when my people Israel are dwelling securely, will you not know it? 15 You will come from your place out of the uttermost parts of the north, you and many peoples with you, all of them riding on horses, a great host, a mighty army. 16 You will come up against my people Israel, like a cloud covering the land. In the latter days I will bring you against my land, that the nations may know me, when through you, O Gog, I vindicate my holiness before their eyes.
17 “Thus says the Lord God: Are you he of whom I spoke in former days by my servants the prophets of Israel, who in those days prophesied for years that I would bring you against them? 18 But on that day, the day that Gog shall come against the land of Israel, declares the Lord God, my wrath will be roused in my anger. 19 For in my jealousy and in my blazing wrath I declare, On that day there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. 20 The fish of the sea and the birds of the heavens and the beasts of the field and all creeping things that creep on the ground, and all the people who are on the face of the earth, shall quake at my presence. And the mountains shall be thrown down, and the cliffs shall fall, and every wall shall tumble to the ground. 21 I will summon a sword against Gog[d] on all my mountains, declares the Lord God. Every man's sword will be against his brother. 22 With pestilence and bloodshed I will enter into judgment with him, and I will rain upon him and his hordes and the many peoples who are with him torrential rains and hailstones, fire and sulfur. 23 So I will show my greatness and my holiness and make myself known in the eyes of many nations. Then they will know that I am the Lord.



Ezekiel 39 (ESV) wrote:
39 “And you, son of man, prophesy against Gog and say, Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech[a] and Tubal. And I will turn you about and drive you forward,[b] and bring you up from the uttermost parts of the north, and lead you against the mountains of Israel. Then I will strike your bow from your left hand, and will make your arrows drop out of your right hand. You shall fall on the mountains of Israel, you and all your hordes and the peoples who are with you. I will give you to birds of prey of every sort and to the beasts of the field to be devoured. You shall fall in the open field, for I have spoken, declares the Lord God. I will send fire on Magog and on those who dwell securely in the coastlands, and they shall know that I am the Lord.
“And my holy name I will make known in the midst of my people Israel, and I will not let my holy name be profaned anymore. And the nations shall know that I am the Lord, the Holy One in Israel. Behold, it is coming and it will be brought about, declares the Lord God. That is the day of which I have spoken.
“Then those who dwell in the cities of Israel will go out and make fires of the weapons and burn them, shields and bucklers, bow and arrows, clubs[c] and spears; and they will make fires of them for seven years, 10 so that they will not need to take wood out of the field or cut down any out of the forests, for they will make their fires of the weapons. They will seize the spoil of those who despoiled them, and plunder those who plundered them, declares the Lord God.
11 “On that day I will give to Gog a place for burial in Israel, the Valley of the Travelers, east of the sea. It will block the travelers, for there Gog and all his multitude will be buried. It will be called the Valley of Hamon-gog.[d] 12 For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them, in order to cleanse the land. 13 All the people of the land will bury them, and it will bring them renown on the day that I show my glory, declares the Lord God. 14 They will set apart men to travel through the land regularly and bury those travelers remaining on the face of the land, so as to cleanse it. At[e] the end of seven months they will make their search. 15 And when these travel through the land and anyone sees a human bone, then he shall set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the Valley of Hamon-gog. 16 (Hamonah[f] is also the name of the city.) Thus shall they cleanse the land.
17 “As for you, son of man, thus says the Lord God: Speak to the birds of every sort and to all beasts of the field: ‘Assemble and come, gather from all around to the sacrificial feast that I am preparing for you, a great sacrificial feast on the mountains of Israel, and you shall eat flesh and drink blood. 18 You shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth—of rams, of lambs, and of he-goats, of bulls, all of them fat beasts of Bashan. 19 And you shall eat fat till you are filled, and drink blood till you are drunk, at the sacrificial feast that I am preparing for you. 20 And you shall be filled at my table with horses and charioteers, with mighty men and all kinds of warriors,’ declares the Lord God.
21 “And I will set my glory among the nations, and all the nations shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid on them. 22 The house of Israel shall know that I am the Lord their God, from that day forward. 23 And the nations shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity, because they dealt so treacherously with me that I hid my face from them and gave them into the hand of their adversaries, and they all fell by the sword. 24 I dealt with them according to their uncleanness and their transgressions, and hid my face from them.

The Lord Will Restore Israel






25 “Therefore thus says the Lord God: Now I will restore the fortunes of Jacob and have mercy on the whole house of Israel, and I will be jealous for my holy name. 26 They shall forget their shame and all the treachery they have practiced against me, when they dwell securely in their land with none to make them afraid, 27 when I have brought them back from the peoples and gathered them from their enemies' lands, and through them have vindicated my holiness in the sight of many nations. 28 Then they shall know that I am the Lord their God, because I sent them into exile among the nations and then assembled them into their own land. I will leave none of them remaining among the nations anymore. 29 And I will not hide my face anymore from them, when I pour out my Spirit upon the house of Israel, declares the Lord God.”


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PostSubject: Re: WHAT???did Israel President just say?   Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:33 pm

look at verse 4 in ole zeke 38, it says that God is going to "turn thee back".....if you are "turned back and brought forth, it means that you have already been there one time, as in MAYBE psalms 83?....the debate as to who gog and magog are is really not important to this discussion right now, but i really do think that there is a tremendous amount of error concerning those two...a subject for another day, though....now, lets drop down to verse 22:

And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.


now notice the fire and brimstone coming down on them from the sky....next, we go to revelation 20:
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
so its obvious that gog and magog are still around after the 1000 years and God burns them up with fire, just like He does in ezekial 38.....is it the same event?....in ezekial 39 it says that there will be a sixth part remaining, and IF i am reading it correctly, it says that that 1/6th part will come upon the mountains and God will cause their bows and arrows to fall out of their hands and proceeds to kill them ALL....it appears to me that the ezekial 38 war is a three-fold event and part one COULD be psalms 83.....now, IF,IF IF this is true, it is very possible that part one could be misrepresented as armageddon and present the perfect opportunity for the arrival of the anti-christ.....in ezekial 37, we see the joining of the two sticks which is describing the regathering of all 12 tribes, the northern 10 "lost tribes of Israel" and the southern tribes of judah and benjamin....THAT has not happened....you will not find one jewish historian, including flavius josephus, nor one rabbi that will tell you that the northern kingdom has returned.....they don't know who they are, at least not yet....what you have there now, is judah, and i am sure that there may be, as researcher pointed out in another post a few weeks back, a remnant of the 10....the majority of the population are the descendents of the khazars from germany and hungary, who converted to judaism and call themselves jews....if you will look it up, there were a lot of  jews that did not want the nation of Israel established because "zionism" did not appear to be the biblical manner and method of that re-establishment...reeling myself back in from yet another tangent and back to ezekial 38,i see this taking place before the tribulation, as armageddon, and after the 1000 year reign of CHRIST....
in my view, the gog/magog war deals with the total destruction of the islamists, and as you can see in ezekial 38, all of those nations aligned with gog and magog are muslim countries....
from ezekial 40 on, i am at a loss to explain....it appears that the sacrificial system is re-established, along with the feast days, and the rebuilding of the temple, with Christ ruling from there.....this is one of those instances where i stop talking and listen, and i have been listening for a long time for an answer on this one...does it not appear that the old testament system is going to be put in place?....see, i thought Jesus was the embodiment of the sacrificial system, and ended it?...i cannot wrap my brain around this one
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