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PostSubject: Nothing Comes from Nothing… Nothing Ever Could….    Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:44 am

Nothing Comes from Nothing… Nothing Ever Could….
In Defense of the Faith
Wednesday, June 28, 2017
Wendy Wippel 


There is a principle in scientific thinking (Ockham’s razor) that was developed by a thirteenth century clergyman and scientist named Ockham. The principal, in laymen’ terms says, "don’t assert what you can’t prove. Today’s scientists, however (who apparently watched way too much Barney with their kids), have developed a different take on the ‘razor”, (a strategy to cut through data to arrive at truth).  Their version?

“Use your imagination….”. 

The official renderings of Ockham’s razor goes like this: when multiple competing theories are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selecting the theory that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities.  In other words, keep it simple, stupid. 

The problem is that today’s scientists don’t.  Even toddlers intuitively get that things have causes. If there is suddenly a ball in the room, someone had to bring it in.

Intuitively they know this at a very young age.

But today’s scientists want to avoid a creator at all costs.

Ockham lived back in the good old days when there wasn’t any big divide between Biblical truth and faith.  And his “razor” was kind of the first “official rule” of doing intelligent science.

That was then, this is now.

And now, at the very least in theoretical physics, a lot of the science is actually not science but math. And translating the math into science that involves the universe and where it came from ends up inducing astrophysicists to use their imaginations. A lot. And they use them double-time in order to avoid having to imagine a righteous creator God.

What scientists do know is that the Big Bang was basically an explosion of an unimaginable amount of energy. And that all that energy has been spread throughout space.

Bottom Line: There is a vast sea of energy in the universe—in the form of subatomic particles, that is still out there.

A vast sea of energy,  left over from the big bang. And we do know that energy can become mass and mass can turn back into energy.

That’s what Einsteins’s E= MC squared is all about.

And it’s the current straw that the Anti-Creation Corps of Scientists out there have latched onto to in order to avoid the necessity of considering the possible existence of a Creator. A universe made out of absolutely nothing.

The theory relies on the a currently fashionable scientific postulate known as Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.

Heisinberg’s theory, in a broad sense says that, since experiments in the quantum world  suggest that the fact that when human beings are monitoring quantum particles and quantum effects, they themselves can affect the results, means we cannot be certain of the data we accumulated by watching quantum affects.

Which allows scientists to assume that, in the quantum world, the energy spread throughout the universe—all that energy left over from the Big Bang—could be briefly decaying into both particles and antiparticles, which then quickly decay back into energy. And all this happened (it is postulated) in such a short amount of time and in such an extremely rapid sequence, that the whole process also avoided violating the existing laws of science.

But just barely.

In their own words.… “Based on the uncertainty principles of quantum mechanics and the general theory of relativity, … a quantum theory of gravity spacetime would consist of many small, ever-changing, regions in which space and time are not definite, but fluctuate in a foam-like manner."

Areas otherwise known as  “quantum foam”.  Which was the brainchild of a guy named Alexander Vilenkin.

Alexander came up with the theory of  quantum foam and hypothesized that this foam-- made up of “virtual particles" (called that because, theoretically, they don’t stick around long enough to be real) could be the basis for a theory that would succeed in creating the universe without actually needing a creator. A Universe that had no prerequisites.

 A universe made out of nothing.

Because for Velenkin and many of his colleagues, that was the only acceptable kind of universe to propose. A Universe that arose spontaneously out of absolutely nothing.

The theory, a little refined since then, is now called quantum tunneling.

And it goes like this: It has been previously demonstrated that  particles may also have wave probability functions, and that these wave probability functions may occasionally extend over the front of a physical barrier in a way that exceeds its normal boundaries.

We can sort of visualize that, right?

And according to Alex, maybe…just maybe something similar happened that led to the origin of the universe. Maybe it was a probability wave function of quantum foam that existed at the beginning and the wave function exceeded its boundaries and..then, and then, well…

Shazaam! The explosion of the universe began.
 
All by itself.

Creating  just the kind of universe Alex wanted. One without need of pre-existing conditions or starting materials. One made out of nothing!

One without need of a Creator.

Which I guess if you’re a gullible grad student you might buy into, although much of it doesn’t really make sense and requires a lot of using your magination.
 
And all the smoke and mirrors can’t quite hide the main problem, the universe Velenkin proposes doesn’t really arise from nothing. 

Far from it.

Velenkin’s theory requires the laws of physics.  It requires the energy fields, it requires the gravitational fields, and it requires the quantum foam.

It also requires a bubble within the quantum foam to pop to get things going.
And that’s just getting started. 
 
Nevertheless, quantum foam –which just created the universe accidentally is still a theory in play.

Who needs Ockham’s razor.  Because a ”No God” theory beats the “God theory” every time.

Let’s just call Quantum Foam—first proposed by a guy named Alexander Vilenken—the latest desperate Hail Mary pass hoping to sail through the “No Need for God In Our Creation” goal posts.

We know it won’t be the last.  

What was it God said?

Quote :
“Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil." John 3:18
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“Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness." II Thessalonians 2:11
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PostSubject: Re: Nothing Comes from Nothing… Nothing Ever Could….    Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:47 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Nothing Comes from Nothing… Nothing Ever Could….    Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:54 pm

I find it hard to understand how all of these "smart" people can believe that our universe started by a couple of mindless, random atoms that just so happened to react to each other, instead of believing that an intelligent being created it. That mindless, random mass had to either 1., always be here, or 2. come from nothing. Why is not easier to admit that an intelligent God has always been here? No, we can't comprehend or explain how that would happen, but we wouldn't be able to comprehend how it would happen for the very first mindless, random masses either.
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PostSubject: Re: Nothing Comes from Nothing… Nothing Ever Could….    Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:59 pm

Oh, and as far as Ockham's Razor goes, it seems the simplest answer, to me, is the one of an intelligent, supernatural God instead of mindless, random masses reacting toward each other. Not the other way around.
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PostSubject: Re: Nothing Comes from Nothing… Nothing Ever Could….    Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:09 pm

Like researcher, first thing I thought of was "Sound of music" lol
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