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Subject: Have you read Jonathan Gray's works? Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:41 am
Have you read Jonathan Gray's works? What do you think of those? Possible? Did he unlock the truth the enemy is hiding from us?
Start with: Dead Men's Secrets, then follow-up with Lost Cities UFO Aliens-The Deadly Secret Men in Embarrassing Places Lost Races-The Big Dating Shock /or/ The Big Dating Blunder 10 Amazing Secrets From Lost Cities
Good reads too (actually, I think you should read this after Dead Men's Secrets) 1) Solomon's Fleet Mystery-Evidence of Phoenician Voyages Into The South Pacific 2) King Solomon's Riches-Putting Together The Pieces
There are many more.
Please do read if you haven't. I'm really curious as to what you guys and gals think of his discoveries.
Does it make sense? Is it enlightening? Did it put the missing pieces of the puzzle together?
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Subject: Re: Have you read Jonathan Gray's works? Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:48 pm
I don't have any of his books, but I've listened to him on the internet and watched his videos - his work is fascinating.
He has come under much scrutiny from the "academic" world because he is not under their control. Gray is self-funded and believes the Bible. He has come across many out-of-place artifacts (OOPARTS) that cannot be explained using the Darwinian model, but can with the Biblical model (that is why they hate him).
If you like him, you will also like Klaus Dona, an Austrian researcher who is very highly regarded in the OOPART field. He is also a Christian.
Project Camelot did a great interview with him:
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Subject: Re: Have you read Jonathan Gray's works? Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:52 pm
I have read some of his works am still in two minds about it.....not real sure...yet!
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Subject: Re: Have you read Jonathan Gray's works? Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:52 pm
Yep, I agree, they hate people that goes against the established "facts". It's like in the past, people who claimed the earth revolves around the sun or that the earth is round and not flat, were branded heretics and of the devil - they'll destroy the person's reputation every chance they get.
Although of course, we also have to be careful, especially in our own time. I'm not saying Jonathan Gray's works are doubtful, so far what I have read from him do make sense because I was asking the same questions since I was a child, when I first got interested in the Bible and ancient history.
For example, Jonathan Gray was able to explain why there were Chinese, Hebrew, and Phoenician writings (and place names) in North and South America but "accepted Science" can not - still stuck with theories (that doesn't make sense at all). It's either we accept the reality that the ancients had the capability to cross the wide gap between the main landmass and the Americas, or accept that someone out there picked them up and dropped them there.
I don't know. It's hard to go 100% over it, very very possible, 90% spot on, but I still have reservations, like Yaddy.
I'll check Klaus Dona, if two or more people establishes the same thing, then doubts are washed away.
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Subject: Re: Have you read Jonathan Gray's works? Sat Mar 09, 2013 12:31 am
The thing that got me was that I read in one of his books somewhere, that "he had found the ark of the covenant and it was exactly under the cross where Jesus was crucified, and, as His blood dripped down his legs and feet, it dripped through a crack in the rocks onto the mercy seat of the ark..." Now, we read in the book of Hebrews that Jesus himself took his blood up to heaven to place it on the original ark, once and for all Hebrews 9 v 12, and also he told one of the women at the grave side John 20 v 17, So>>>I am dubious about some of the things he said!
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Subject: Re: Have you read Jonathan Gray's works? Sat Mar 09, 2013 12:42 am
Do you remember which book was that? I haven't read it yet. Interesting.
And another thing interesting there is his claim that the earthly Ark of the Covenant was exactly under the Cross where He was crucified. To think that the Prophet Jeremiah hid it there, when, from what I've read elsewhere, Jewish tradition has it that Jeremiah hid it abroad, probably in Queen Bathsheba's land.
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Subject: Re: Have you read Jonathan Gray's works? Sat Mar 09, 2013 12:49 am
well....it's a while ago...like way back in the 80's and it could have been a video tape that it was on, no disc way back then...lol Yes...I'm almost sure it was a series of video tapes, maybe if you did a search I might try and see what I can find too!
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Subject: Re: Have you read Jonathan Gray's works? Sat Mar 09, 2013 1:01 am
I agree. . . . Ive read some of his stuff,and i like him. . . . But i havent read a whe lot. . . So i dont know alot about him
And some of Jesus blood could have dripped on too the mercy seat. . . . And he still could have brough it to heaven too
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Subject: Re: Have you read Jonathan Gray's works? Sat Mar 09, 2013 1:25 am
Ah, I only have his ebooks, which is few (what I can find from downloads I'm afraid). I'll find those videos and audios, seem there's more to it than the books.
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Subject: Re: Have you read Jonathan Gray's works? Sat Mar 09, 2013 2:03 am
Yaddy wrote:
The thing that got me was that I read in one of his books somewhere, that "he had found the ark of the covenant and it was exactly under the cross where Jesus was crucified, and, as His blood dripped down his legs and feet, it dripped through a crack in the rocks onto the mercy seat of the ark..." Now, we read in the book of Hebrews that Jesus himself took his blood up to heaven to place it on the original ark, once and for all Hebrews 9 v 12, and also he told one of the women at the grave side John 20 v 17, So>>>I am dubious about some of the things he said!
You sure you don't have him mixed up with Ron Wyatt? Or maybe they both are saying the same thing? Anyway, just an observation.
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Subject: Re: Have you read Jonathan Gray's works? Sat Mar 09, 2013 2:17 am
yes...now that you mention it, I could be mixed up with Ron Wyatt....(getting too old for this kinda thing )
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Subject: Re: Have you read Jonathan Gray's works? Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:49 pm
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You sure you don't have him mixed up with Ron Wyatt? Or maybe they both are saying the same thing? Anyway, just an observation.
Jonathon Gray (an Aussie) doesn't talk about the Ark of the Covenant. Ron Wyatt (an American), who was a Seventh Day Adventist, did write a book about it. Wyatt claimed to have seen it in a cave under Golgotha.
I don't think Gray has written anything about the Holy Land - his adventures have all been elsewhere.
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Subject: Re: Have you read Jonathan Gray's works? Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:53 am
Thank you Rose...
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