Messages to the 144,000

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Hi jem,
I only listened to a few parts.   His date of the Sept Feast of Trumpets in 2017 is  when he thinks Christ will return for His bride and is after the AOD.  As a side note, Daniel Matson's new book suggests the same thing but indicates that the AOD is 3 1/2 years is after this date and it (AOD) would take place in 2020.  Everyone has an opinion on these things.  Anyhow, all I can say is a lot of people seem to be focused on Sept 20/21, 2017 for some significant event to take place……some opinions based on their spiritual insights and some based on mathematical calculations.  

The guy who made this video is a STRICT Torah observer…….here's a link to His beliefs.  I'll just leave it at that for anyone's own discernment.  

http://www.spiritandtorah.com/statement-of-doctrinal-beliefs.html

I wonder where he stands on the doctrine of grace……. He does not believe in the Trinity…..

Well, it will be wonderful when Christ does return and sets His kingdom up and gets all believers on the same page…….as it stands now, it seems our understandings are all across the board when it comes to the interpretations of key prophetic scriptures.

Thoughts anyone?

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jem, I have tried to get people to understand that Judah and Israel were two separate entities for years. People have been conditioned from the pulpit to only accept certain things. The Book of Revelations is very clear about this and mentioned them separately, yet nobody seems to grasp that

These were very interesting and beautiful. I can't say I agree with the dates, but it is a possible sequence of events, as I have just recently come across some teaching regarding the ESCAPE interpretation. People who are tuned in will know when to flee to the safe place. This is why we pray let us be counted worthy, or able, to escape.
http://www.escapeallthesethings.com/mark-of-the-beast.htm
There's a bit of a sales pitch here, but I encourage everyone to read the article itself, then please do share your thoughts.

jem wrote:

Hi Rawblues. I didn’t have this view at all until just recently and was much more mainstream in my interpretation. What happened was, I had started searching out the red moon/black sun to find out when it happens and then found all kinds of things I had never heard before, so I started studying the OT. By study I mean read it over and over and over until it starts to talk to you, take lots of notes, and start putting the pieces together.

If you do that, you will start finding many references to the woman in the wilderness and the 144,000 (among other things). You will start to realize that Israel and Judah are two separate entities. When you can see that, your understanding will start to really take off. Recently, I began looking around to see if anyone else was seeing the same things that I did. Some people do. It's just happens to be that they tend to be the people who study the Old Testament.

I didn’t post this so much for the dates because I don’t know, maybe, maybe not, but it was posted more for the story of the woman in the wilderness and the 144,000. I may slightly disagree in a few spots but think he’s got more than the general gist of the story. I highly recommend searching it out for yourselves.

This is my testimony too. it just happened in 1993.  For those who have been around...isnt this what Gavriel was saying years ago or am I mistaken?

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Jem, 
These videos are haunting me.  I keep thinking about them.

rawblues wrote:

Hi jem,
I only listened to a few parts.   His date of the Sept Feast of Trumpets in 2017 is  when he thinks Christ will return for His bride and is after the AOD.  As a side note, Daniel Matson's new book suggests the same thing but indicates that the AOD is 3 1/2 years is after this date and it (AOD) would take place in 2020.  Everyone has an opinion on these things.  Anyhow, all I can say is a lot of people seem to be focused on Sept 20/21, 2017 for some significant event to take place……some opinions based on their spiritual insights and some based on mathematical calculations.  

The guy who made this video is a STRICT Torah observer…….here's a link to His beliefs.  I'll just leave it at that for anyone's own discernment.  

http://www.spiritandtorah.com/statement-of-doctrinal-beliefs.html

I wonder where he stands on the doctrine of grace……. He does not believe in the Trinity…..

Well, it will be wonderful when Christ does return and sets His kingdom up and gets all believers on the same page…….as it stands now, it seems our understandings are all across the board when it comes to the interpretations of key prophetic scriptures.

Thoughts anyone?

Thanks for posting this link to their statement of faith.  My thought is, where is the balance between law and grace?  The whole of the law was summed up in two commands.  Love Father God and love thy neighbor as thyself.  Some ministries just go nuts.  Chuck Missler should be their example.

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sixminks wrote:

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My thought is, where is the balance between law and grace?  The whole of the law was summed up in two commands.  Love Father God and love thy neighbor as thyself.  Some ministries just go nuts.

I think the answer is in the verse you referenced.

Matthew 22:36-40  "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law? "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind." This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, you shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets." 

The best "balance" between law and grace is Jesus. I think the simplest verse on this is John 1:14.
"For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

The Law was given to help separate the tribes from the evil nations and peoples. The law helped reveal a person's heart. The law was good, but the law could not change a person's heart. The law pointed out man's sinful nature. The Law in the OT (Torah) also pointed us towards and demonstrated the sacrificial system that would be needed to cover our sins ….. in other words, the Law pointed us directly to Jesus and the cross. 

Jesus said in Matthew 5:17 that he came to fulfill the law. Fulfill means to complete. This happened when the Word became flesh. This is shown in Galatians 4:4.

"But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of woman, born under the law." 

Hebrews 9:15 then says,

"Therefore He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant."

and Romans 7:6 says,

"But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code."

And we end with, Ephesians 2:8-9. "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."

So my simple understanding is that the "work" of the law is to bring us to faith in Jesus Christ as it’s stated in Galatians 3:24.

"So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith."

As far as the man in the videos.....from reading his statement of beliefs, he seems to be a slave to the law.  So, is he a false teacher?  False teachers nearly always have some valid truths in their sermons....but their motives are usually self-serving.  ie...wolves in sheep's clothing.  His statement of beliefs contains things that are just very foreign to me and I can't agree with many of them based on how I was taught and have come to understand the gospel of the New Testament.  If you want to see him, type in his name on youtube and you can see his street preaching.  At one point he says he is "perfect".....I'm not sure what he means by that?  Oh well..... I don't know the guy, but for some reason, he gives me an uneasy feeling.

jem......your studies in the OT scriptures that the fellow is talking about are great..... boy, I should be more devoted in that area for sure!  And he does bring up some interesting topics that can spark an interest to study and learm more....and that's definitely a good thing!

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I definitely don't want to throw out the whole teaching because it's worthy to be taught.  Frankly the 144,000 subject is a very tough one and to me it's difficult to understand.   In reviewing the thread, it appears I obviously "highjacked" it when I brought up the guys beliefs…….which had nothing to do with why you originally posted the videos on the subject in the first place……my sincere apologies for that. 
I watched a few of his videos because I too wanted to learn a little more on the 144,000 …..but it was something he said in one of the videos (or scrolled in the video), that didn't seem right.   That's when I looked him up out of curiosity and the red flags went up on him (not the subject you brought up).  The subject matter on the 144,000 I laid to the side at that point and went on my tangent about the maker of the video.  Sorry about that.  From that point on, I did not want to watch any more of his videos because I knew I did not agree with his interpretations of the gospel of salvation and maybe it's requirements.   That should have been left for another thread I guess.

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Thanks jem.  I'm glad you're game for tackling the 144,000 scriptures.  It's been somewhat of a mystery to me……I just haven't devoted the proper time to it.  That's why I'm interested in what others may have to say about it.  (...looking for a shortcut   )

Interesting. Much of this could be right...but a couple of things to point out.

There is absolutely NO WAY his timeline is correct. I actually agree with the final 7 years beginning in 2017. That's what I've thought for awhile now. There are so many things pointing to that. It will lead to the 2nd coming in 2024. That's more a guess, but based on biblical information....and I think a lot of others are thinking the same thing. Also, the person is clearly a false prophet. They've quoted many things on their website not as theory but as FACT...that have clearly not panned out. I think we are in very important prophetic times....but 2014 is not the gathering.

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Obviously I think once sacrifices start...we're on the home stretch. However, I don't think we're that close yet. Too many things to happen yet.

It could be entirely possible that these individuals are beginning to "wake up" now. (Receiving their anointing and call as evangelists to the Jews, and world). We really aren't told the specific process of when, where and how these men appear on the earth.

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I'm still watching videos but must say this: I thought the 144,000 were to preach about Messiah to the world and especially to the newly aware of who they are descendants of the lost 10 northern tribes of Israel. I thought they and the 2 witnesses (who I believe are the church and the tribe of Judah/Benjamin) had a specific ministry during those end times that would bring millions to salvation in Yahshua Jesus. The thought of them being in seclusion doesn't seem right. Yahshua Jesus seemed very interested in redeeming the northern tribes in this verse:

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. - Matthew 15:24

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