Islamic Antichrist? Three Strikes and You’re Out!

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By Chris Schang

As things continue to spiral downhill in the Middle East, there seems to be all kinds of prophetic questions being asked out there in the Bible prophecy community. One such questions deals with the idea of an "Islamic Antichrist". This idea gains a little traction every time the Middle East region starts to get heated, such as the case with the current Israel-Hamas war.

The proponents of the "Islamic Antichrist" theory basically stake their claims on three main points, which I will show is nothing more than an unsound prophetic house of cards that will fall flat with even the slightest blow of serious inquiry and discernment.

Strike #1

The first point that Islamic Antichrist proponents try to argue in order to make their case is that they say that the Roman armies used "local" soldiers in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70A.D. They claim that as a result of the alleged using of "local" people to help with the destruction of the city and temple, therefore, the Antichrist could be from the Middle East. This point is absolutely false. We have shown time and time again that the soldiers involved in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70A.D. were ALL Roman soldiers. This was highlighted in a previous post on our forums:
"The Antichrist cannot be Islamic. Period. He will come from the same genetic stock as his prophetic forerunner, Antiochus IV Epiphanes, a Macedonian-Greek European.

His ethnicity will be in exact fulfillment of [url=http://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Daniel 9.26b]Daniel 9:26b[/url]. Everybody knows that the Roman legions which destroyed the 2nd Temple and the city of Jerusalem were Legio X Fretensis (from the Straits of Messina between the Italian mainland and Sicily), Legio V Macedonica (which obviously was from Macedonia), and Legio XV Apollinaris which was stationed on the Danube River near what is present day Austria and Slovenia. These Roman legions were all staffed by Roman (European) citizen soldiers from the lowest all the way up the chain of command to General Titus Flavius Vespasianus."

As we can see here the REAL Romans were involved with the destruction of the city and temple in 70A.D. Any attempts to say otherwise is simply rubbish and contrary to the historical record. It's time for the Islamic Antichrist community to quit perpetuating falsehoods in order to promote false and unsound theology to the students of Bible prophecy. I have found that the majority of those pushing the Islamic Antichrist theory are simply nothing more than "booksellers" trying to promote unsound theology for their own profit and gain. There is nothing sound and biblical about an Islamic antichrist.

Strike #2

Another idea and point that the Islamic Antichrist promoters push is that they believe that the Roman Empire has both a "Western" and "Eastern" component to the empire. While this is true at one point in the existence of the Roman Empire, it was NOT true at the time of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70A.D. The emergence of the "Eastern" leg of the Roman Empire was long after the destruction of the city and temple mentioned in the Bible. As a result, once again we see that the "soldiers" involved in the destruction of the temple and city were ALL Roman soldiers from around the area of Europe, not the Middle East. No Islamic soldiers took part in this destruction. God is clear in telling us the origin and where to look for the coming "Antichrist" as spoken of in Daniel. We need to trust God, not "newspaper prophets" who are trying to sell their latest book.

The Islamic Antichrist promoters will also try to say that beheadings were the preferred method of punishment by Islamics today. But little do they remember, this was also a method of punishment by the Roman Empire for people who did not bow down to the authority of the Pope. In fact, beheading has been used all over Europe in the past as well. France is a famous place for beheadings with the use of the guillotine during the French Revolution. Beheading has always been around in Europe. While yes it is true the Islamics are fond of this sort of punishment, it is not exclusive to them by any means. Once more we need to pay attention to the Bible and the historical records, rather than the "newspaper prophets" that have sprung up here and there.

Strike #3

Another major point that the Islamic Antichrist proponents try to argue is that they believe the Antichrist is referred to as the "Assyrian" in the Bible. They frequently point to such verses as those found in Micah 5, Isaiah 30, Isaiah 10, and Isaiah 14. Despite their best attempts to "shoe-horn" the Antichrist in these verses, the truth of the matter is that these prophecies were fulfilled in the past. They are not prophecies referring to the end times. With the exception of Micah 5 which will be fulfilled in the Millennial Kingdom, the other prophecies were fulfilled in the past.

In fact, I have not found one verse that when read in the proper context, supports the notion of an Islamic Antichrist using the "Assyrian" title. I have a book in my house that is written by the esteemed Dr. John Walvoord and the book is entitled "Every Prophecy of the Bible". As its name suggests, it covers all the Bible prophecies that are found in the Bible. When looking up these verses from Isaiah we see that these when read in historical context are speaking of prophecies that have been fulfilled in the past. They are not prophecies of the future and they certainly do not refer to the Antichrist either.

...And You're Outta There!

Just as the baseball umpire announces the "Out" to a batter, so too have we call this "Islamic Antichrist" theory "Outta Here!" in the world of Bible prophecy. There are a few other arguments that the Islamic Antichrist crowd likes to throw out trying to justify their bankrupt theology. For example, they like to say that the "Mahdi" from Islamic eschatology is the Antichrist despite the fact that the Mahdi comes conquering in war-like fashion, while the Antichrist of the Bible comes conquering in peace. While there are even more bogus detours and side streets that these people like to run folks down in supporting their theories, I won't bother with them today as they are all unsound and unbiblical as well. They are not worth our time in this article or in any other.

The bottom line is that there is no one iota of proof or support for an "Islamic Antichrist" in the Bible. This whole Islamic Antichrist theory is just the results of men who will not take the Bible for its word. They are men who while they may intend well, they are clearly on the wrong side of the Bible and History. Many of these so called "teachers" have also left the pre-trib rapture camp as well, which has been promoted since the 1st Century church. But all of this is not surprising as the Bible tells us that in the end times that people while fall away from sound doctrine and theology and instead embrace lies and doctrines of devils. My hope is that people will not get pulled into these "crazy" theories and in turn leave other sound interpretations by people who declare that they have some "new revelation" that the rest of us missed. The Bible is not for private interpretation, so I call on people to stick with the sound and time-tested theology taught by sound and conservative teachers.

I encourage all believers to keep the armor of God on to resist the tricks of the devil who comes along in these last days trying to snare people away from sound and biblical teachings. As we see these things taking place, know that our blessed hope and redemption is drawing nigh!

God bless.

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I disagree on all three counts! It is quite possible that the anti-christ could be connected to Islam. By the way, the temple and Jerusalem were destroyed by the 10th, 12th, and 15th Roman legions. Some were Romans and some were from the surrounding country side that Islam now commands. I've only inserted PARTS from the links quoted. There is much more at each site linked and many other sites on the web to study from as well. Do your homework!

http://www.templemount.org/destruct2.html wrote:

The Second Temple Destroyed - As Predicted
During the last days of his life Jesus had assembled his disciples together on the Mt. of Olives overlooking the Temple. The disciples were uncertain and anxious about the future especially in light of Jesus' cleansing of the Temple and stopping the sacrifices, and his astonishing statements delivered in holy anger denouncing the Pharisees. The disciples opened the conversation by talking about the beauty of the temple and its courts. Jesus opened his amazing and detailed reply by predicting the soon-coming destruction of that magnificent building:

Quote :: Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. But he answered them, "You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another, that will not be thrown down." As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will this be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the close of the age?" (Matthew 24:1-3)

Both the Temple and the City of Jerusalem were indeed about to be destroyed. With four Legions, Titus the Roman General, later to become Caesar, began the siege of Jerusalem in April, A.D. 70. He posted his 10th legion on the Mount of Olives, directly east of and overlooking the Temple Mount. The 12th and 15th legions were stationed on Mount Scopus, further to the east and commanding all ways to Jerusalem from east to north. The 5th legion was held in reserve.

http://www.hope-of-israel.org/peopleofprince.html wrote:

Recruits in the Roman Army

A brief bit of history is in order.

Before the Roman Empire became an empire, it was called the Roman Republic. In the early days of the Republic, as it was evolving into the Roman Empire (primarily before the turn of 1st century) the majority of the soldiers (called legionnaires) recruited to serve in the Roman armies (legions) were Italians from Rome and the nearby regions. However, as the Empire expanded quite dramatically, it became next to impossible to man the entire Empire with soldiers only from Italy. There were just not enough Italian men to spread all over the vast Roman Empire, which included all of Europe, Northern Africa and a large swath of the Middle East. Thus at the beginning of the first century, Emperor Augustus made a series of sweeping reforms that led to dramatic changes in the ethnic make-up of the Roman armies.

After Augustus’ reforms, the only portion of the Roman army that continued to consist largely of Italians from Rome proper was the Praetorian Guard; an elite military unit whose job was to specifically guard the Emperor and the tents of the Generals. But after Augustus’ reforms, the rest of the army was increasingly composed of anything but Italian soldiers. Instead, they were composed of what were known as “provincials” or citizens who lived in the provinces -- the outer fringes of the Empire, away from the capital of Rome. The “provincialization” of the army was true for all of the Roman legions of this time period, but it was most clearly and markedly the case with regard to the Eastern legions that were used to attack Jerusalem. Both ancient historical records as well as modern scholarship clearly confirm this. Let’s examine some of the evidence.

First Witness: Publius Cornelius Tacitus

Publius Cornelius Tacitus was both a senator and a historian of the Roman Empire that wrote extensively concerning the specific period that we are now examining. The surviving portions of his two major works -- the Annals and the Histories -- have become a vital source of information from this period of the Roman Empire. Speaking of the Roman attack of Jerusalem, Tacitus details the specific legions and the peoples that primarily composed the attacking army:

Quote :: "Titus Caesar…found in Judaea three legions, the 5th, the 10th, and the 15th…To these he added the 12th from Syria, and some men belonging to the 18th and 3rd, whom he had withdrawn from Alexandria. This force was accompanied…by a strong contingent of Arabs, who hated the Jews with the usual hatred of neighbors…" (Tacitus, The History, New Ed edition Book 5.1. Editor: Moses Hadas, Translators: Alfred Church, William Brodribb (Modern Library; New York, 2003)).

There are several important bits of information that we can gain from this reference. First, we learn that the Roman legions had been stationed in Judea, Syria and Egypt. Secondly, we learn that beyond the Roman legions, there was also “a strong contingent of Arabs, who hated the Jews” who accompanied the soldiers. Sadly, little has changed since the first century regarding the general regional hatred of the Jewish people. In fact, it was precisely this ancient hatred that was the driving factor in the unfolding of events that led to the destruction of the Temple, as we will see.

Second Witness: Titus Favius Josephus

Titus Flavius Josephus, another irreplaceable historian from this period also confirms the report of Tacitus:

Quote :: "So Vespasian sent his son Titus [who], came by land into Syria, where he gathered together the Roman forces, with a considerable number of auxiliaries from the kings in that neighborhood" (Flavius Josephus, The Complete Works of Josephus, The Wars of the Jews or The History of the Destruction of Jerusalem, Book III, Chapter 1, Paragraph 3).

Once again, Josephus reveals that the Roman legions used to attack Jerusalem were stationed in Syria. This is where Titus gathered them together as he proceeded toward the Jewish capital. He also details that “a considerable number” of auxiliaries, or volunteers, from Syria and the surrounding regions were also gathered for the attack. Later, Josephus also details the specific number of Arab soldiers who joined forces with the invading armies:

Quote :: "Malchus also, the king of Arabia, sent a thousand horsemen, besides five thousand footmen, the greatest part of which were archers; so that the whole army, including the auxiliaries sent by the kings, as well horsemen and footmen, when all were united together, amounted to sixty thousand" (Flavius Josephus, The Complete Works of Josephus, The Wars of the Jews or The History of the Destruction of Jerusalem, Book III, Chapter 4, Paragraph 20).

While the numbers of men that composed a legion fluctuated, during this time period a legion contained approximately 5,000 men. Here we see that there were enough Arab auxiliary/volunteer soldiers to compose more than a full legion!

The Eastern Legions

Now lets look at the specific legions that were used to attack the Jewish people as well as the regions where they were stationed during the time period leading up to 70 A.D. when Jerusalem was destroyed. Of the six legions, only one was garrisoned just outside of the Middle East; this being Legion V Macedonia. The remaining five legions were all stationed in the Middle East. Below is a list of the legions and where they were stationed prior to 70 A.D.

Legion V Macedonia:	Judea or Moesia
Legion X Fretensis:	Syria
Legion XV Appolinaris:	Syria
Legion XII Fulminata:	Asia Minor/Syria
Legion XVIII:	Egypt
Legion III Gallica:	Syria

All of these Legions would have consisted of a majority of Eastern soldiers; Arabs, Syrians, Egyptians etc. Even Legion V Macedonia, although possibly stationed in Moesia -- or modern day Serbia and Bulgaria -- also would have consisted of a majority of Eastern soldiers. By 70 A.D. not only the Eastern provincial Legions, but literally the entire army had come to be dominated by “provincials”. Lawrence J.F. Keppie, scholar of Roman History and author of Legions And Veterans: Roman Army Papers 1971-2000 (Franz Steiner Verlag, 2000) confirms this reality when he states that after 68 A.D., “the legions…consist[ed] almost exclusively of provincials.” (Keppie page 116) In other words, after 68 A.D. the soldiers in the Roman legions were almost exclusively non-Italian peoples from the provinces on the edges of the Empire.

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he will worship the god of forces...

dan11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things

"o" is light in the loafers, self grandizing, has messiah complex, hates the jews, just like the last antichrist figure, hitler, i dont think he was a mo, unless it was everett brawn

we need 2 get on the same page,over...

Light in the loafers. Don't hear that phrase used much anymore. Same for friends of Dorothy. For those who are scratching their heads over 'friends of Dorothy' think Wizard of Oz. THAT Dorothy was played by Judy Garland. Years ago gays idolized Judy Garland, hence the FOD name. Twinks, or Twinkies were young silly usually Caucasian effeminate men. Susie-Q's were young silly usually black effeminate men, for obvious reasons. You sure learn a lot on this forum, huh? Hey, I live in Southern California. You get to know these things. I'm happy to share.

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Islamic Antichrist? Three Strikes and You’re Out! SuzyQs

Alpo had a thing for his niece; sick yes, pillow biter no.

OK, we better butch it up. Folks are gonna start wondering. more than

Hey dude, what ya think about those Dallas Cowboys?

I thought football was over and Deutschland won?

chuckle

Not that football you silly savages. You want Ben Gay all over you?

'light in the loafers'. That's a good one.
(I greened you Researcher. Good comebacker.)

So, I had a thought the other day. Happens once in a while.

We know of two cave dwellers who had a direct encounter with, and were taught by a beautiful, bejeweled serpent, an 'angel of light.'

The first was Mo---, now called the prophet. Even he had enough sense to question what being he had encountered, but was assured by his wife, a former RCC nun, that it was the angel, Gabriel.

The second was Ignatius Loyola, 'a soldier of the Catholic faith', and later founder of the order
called the society of Jesus, or the jesuits, and given 'sainthood'.

Some of us here spent ALOT of time digging through the ancient religions, and I don't recall
ever seeing any others linked to a direct encounter with this snake.

Is there any significance, do you think?

   I want to know the thoughts of God. Everything else is just details.
     A Miracle is when God makes His Reality our Experience

Didn't the Mormons start with an angel too? ( would have been said snake I suppose)

Dove wrote:: (I greened you Researcher. Good comebacker.)

OMG, does that mean I have to go and hug some trees and drive a Prius now? giggling green

Actually the little green ball of a car below looks kinda cute in a lime flavored jawbreaker sort of way.
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Yaddy wrote:: Didn't the Mormons start with an angel too? ( would have been said snake I suppose)

Oh! So, we'd need Mitt in 2016 to round out the 'ill-chosen ones'?
Maybe we can run a page in the NYTimes asking for anyone who has had a cave
encounter with a beautiful snake and now suffers extreme delusions of grandeur
to contact us chuckle

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What is that Researcher? A geo-engineered spawn of a VW for exceptionally short Martians? It is cute as a 'bug'.
Or for those 'light in the loafers'? (I should be careful what I'm saying, cuz I really don't know what it is that I'm saying there...) I'm just assuming it would be rainbow colored? And that's really all I need to know about it...heeee.

   I want to know the thoughts of God. Everything else is just details.
     A Miracle is when God makes His Reality our Experience

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is not the swearing in of the prezident a masonic rising of apollo, the god of some stupid thing or another ?

According to Tom Horn's research in the book Apollyon 2012 it is, Murray.

!! FOXTROT JULIET BRAVO !!

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At the moment of the MH17 crash an American satellite was flying over the area of eastern Ukraine, according to Russia's Defense Ministry. It urged the US to publish the space photos and data captured by it.

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