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PostSubject: SYRIA AND BEYOND = BATTLESPACE DOCTRINE AND SYRIA 4-10-2018   SYRIA AND BEYOND = BATTLESPACE DOCTRINE AND SYRIA 4-10-2018 I_icon_minitimeTue Apr 10, 2018 8:49 pm

https://doomerdoug.wordpress.com/2018/04/10/battlespace-doctrine-and-syria-4-10-2018/



APRIL 10, 2018 by DMCINTOSH4

BATTLESPACE DOCTRINE AND SYRIA 4-10-2018


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[size=32]BATTLESPACE DOCTRINE AND SYRIA 4-10-2018In military speak what is going on is the powers that be are seizing “BATTLESPACE.” Battlespace is a military doctrine that starts, well outer space now, and goes all the way down to ground surface. It also goes to sea surface, and below sea surface for anti-sub, mines etc zones.
Gang, this is getting serious because ‘THEY’ on both sides, are positioning military assets to control BATTLESPACE OVER SYRIA, OVER CONUS AND LIKELY THE NATO/RUSSIAN BORDER ZONES IN THE BALTIC STATES, POLAND, ROMANIA, ETC.
Yeah, the horse is out of the barn. All of this command and control planes is what you do when you want to hit somebody. What the Ruskies have done, with the jamming and taking control of our drones, well that is also first phase Battle space control. Of course, if the Ruskies or the Chinese start to go after our sat communications and recon, well it will be World War Three.
All of this about the various plane deployments tell me it’s on, it’s hot, and the final preps are now in motion. By the way, Trump isn’t going to Peru, and Matis isn’t going to Nevada, and you know who says the Pentagram is going bonkers since Sunday.
Oh yeah, it may take a while to sort it out, but we are going into Syria.
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[size=40]I haven’t decided whether the case is the West doesn’t believe Russia means it when they say they are going to have a MILITARY RESPONSE to any allied strike on Syria, or whether it is the case “they” just don’t care. I’m getting really, really tired when “they” just casually murder people to advance the “agenda.”

[size=40]We are seeing Russia deploy command and control planes to seize the BattleSpace over Syria, and also over the ocean, and below the ocean off the Syrian coast. We are seeing Russian fighter jets deploying to cover the offshore US ships. We are seeing Russia seeking Iranian permission to fly heavy bombers to Syria. We are seeing Russia jamming our drones flying over Syria in order to prevent our control of BattleSpace over Syria. We are seeing both Russia and the US deploy submarines in order to control BattleSpace under the ocean off of Syria. We are seeing the US deploying command and control planes off the coast of Syria in order to seize BattleSpace from the surface to 40,000 feet. And finally, all of these actions are the precursors to WAR. The actions now being taken by both sides are designed to allow for attacks on Syria. In fact, the war over Syria has already begun in my opinion. The issue of whether we will launch cruise missiles is based on our control of BattleSpace over Syria. When I see all the specific actions being taken both by the USA and Syria, it is clear we are now in the early phases of a shooting war.[/size]

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MORE @ http://www.wavy.com/news/military/navy/truman-strike-group-deploying-from-norfolk-april-11/1109314635



Truman strike group deploying from Norfolk April 11

By: Kevin Green 
Updated: Apr 09, 2018 11:50 AM EDT




ATLANTIC OCEAN (Feb. 16, 2018) The USS Harry S. Truman and ships assigned to the Harry S. Truman Carrier Strike Group transit the Atlantic Ocean. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Scott Swofford/Released)

NORFOLK, Va. (WAVY) -- Nearly 6,500 sailors assigned to the Harry S. Truman Carrier Strike Group are scheduled to deploy Wednesday from Naval Station Norfolk.
The strike group is heading to the U.S. Navy's 5th and 6th Fleet areas on its latest deployment.


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PostSubject: Eyewitness Accounts of Red Dawn Military Camps That Will Invade the US   SYRIA AND BEYOND = BATTLESPACE DOCTRINE AND SYRIA 4-10-2018 I_icon_minitimeTue Apr 10, 2018 8:52 pm

http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/eyewitness-red-dawn-military-camps-behind-planned-us-invasion/



Eyewitness Accounts of Red Dawn Military Camps That Will Invade the US
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Red Dawn

Four years ago, I was contacted by an active DEA agent who had extensive experience with the forces that will be involved in the planned invasion of the United States that we calll Red Dawn. This DEA special agent who is still on active status with the agency. His stated reason for coming forward is that he will not be a participant in the planned demise of the United States in which the DEA, as well as other federal agencies, will be complicit by their covert and overt participation.
Here are some excerpts from our pubished communications.

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My DEA source was involved in drug interdiction in Peru, which is the leading cocaine producer in the world with a 325 metric tons of operation. One of his main jobs consisted of developing confidential sources (CS) into actionable intelligence information which could be used toward retarding of the blossoming drug trafficking business in Peru.
The Peruvian police and military only intercept 3-5% of the gross drug traffic and that is by design. It gives the appearance that something is being done, while a drug trafficking empire is being established in this country to a degree never imagined in the past.
Senior DEA officials are running interference for a massive drug organization known as the SANCHEZ-Paredes drug cartel and it is based out of Peru. However, not many Americans will have heard of this cartel. Yet, they have been around since 1976 and are more massive that any of the Mexican drug cartels in terms of the size and impact of its operations.
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DEA senior officials are fully complicit in these drug and gun running operations. Let’s examine the leadership of Patrick Stenkamp who formerly served as the Regional Director (aka Special-Agent-In-Charge) in Peru. Peru now serves as the regional headquarters for the DEA in the region since Bolivia kicked the DEA out. Also, Peru has taken over the title of “King on Cocaine” from Columbia.
As Regional Director, Stenkamp decided what cases to pursue and which to conveniently ignore. According to my source, Stenkamp fired the last three special agents who dared to investigate the SANCHEZ-Paredes cartel. This group operates with impunity under the watchful eye of DEA leadership and if DEA special agents want to prolong and advance their careers, they better play along or they will end up like the three agents who tried to investigate the SANCHEZ-Paredes cartel, out of a job….
My previous investigation in looked into the role that Sinaloa’s played with regard to the present immigration crisis and it revealed three significant details:
1. As reported…, the Sinaloa’s have been connected to terrorist organizations since 2007 as reported in the MSM.
2. The Sinaloa’s, along with MS-13 have received paramilitary training at camps outside of San Salvador along with military grade hardware (e.g. RPG missile launchers, AK-47’s and anti-tank weapons. This is all supplied by the terror organization of Hamas and Hezbollah.
3. The Sinaloa’s and Los Zetas drug cartels are using MS-13 gang members as assassins in removing political and law enforcement obstacles in Mexico. The Border Patrol has repeatedly said that MS-13 members are being processed into the United States by the thousands by the Border Patrol who are being told to look the other way, by DHS directives, when it comes to processing MS-13 gangsters into the United States.

Thee operations became the Red Dawn base camps.
My previous investigations looked into the role that the Sinaloa drug cartel along with various terrorist groups, along with the importation of MS-13 to the US, played with regard to the immigration crisis of 2014 and it revealed three significant details:

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1. As previously reported, the Sinaloa’s have been connected to terrorist organizations since 2007 as reported in the MSM.
2. The Sinaloa’s, along with MS-13 have received paramilitary training at camps outside of San Salvador along with military grade hardware (e.g. RPG missile launchers, AK-47’s and anti-tank weapons. This is all supplied by the terror organization of Hamas and Hezbollah and the Muslim Brotherhood. This is why Jeff Sessions was visiting El Salvador.  Jeff Sessions is Deep State and he is behind the FBI raid on Trump’s Attorney (this will be released in the next 24 hours)
3. The Sinaloa’s and Los Zetas drug cartels are using MS-13 gang members as assassins in removing political and law enforcement obstacles in Mexico. The Border Patrol has repeatedly said that MS-13 members are being processed into the United States by the thousands by the Border Patrol who are being told to look the other way, by DHS directives, when it comes to processing MS-13 gangsters into the United States. This is why President Trump is so concerned. 

Thanks to my DEA source I was able to see how the drug running has turned into Red Dawn paramilitary camps which will be used to invade the United States in the heels of war breaking out with Russia and China.

[size=42]A Former ARSOF Source[/size]

I have used a former ARSOF source since before the days of Benghazi. He is now confirming these terrorist base camps in El Salvador and Honduras.
This source says there is a two-phase planinfiltrate the US with as many WMD-carrying sources as possible. Create a total hell-storm of terrorism with MS-13 and ISIS as the mainstay antagonists.

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[*]Infiltrate the United States with as many WMD-bearing terrorists as possible. There will be a TET offensive of terrorism. They wan to get the UN to invoke the Kigali Principles and put UN troops on the ground in the US. The Kigali Principles will bring Chinese, Russian and other foreign troops to America. They will overthorw Trump, if need be.
[*]When war breaks out in the Middle East, a Latin American army, which has been training at these camps will come north and attack the US Red Dawn style.  Tey will combine with UN forces andn end the United States once and forall.
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In the remainder portions of the article, I will highlight the following:

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[*]The composition of the Red Dawn force
[*]An eyewitness account of these Red Dawn military camps and what their palns are. (FEMA camps and genocide).
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[size=42]The Substance of the Red Dawn Strike Force[/size]

In late 2014, I published an article which clearly demonstrated that most of Central and South America had been lured away from America and were clearly in the camp of the Russians and the Chinese. These forces have enetred into several strong and significant military alliances against the United States. The idea of a Red Dawn invasion force emanating from Central American is not just a theory, it is reality and it has already been organized and lies in wait. Further, these same groups are responsible for the bordr incursions of MS-13, ISIS and other paramilitary types that are awaiting a sign to unleash holy hell upon this country with malls, schools and public events and public transportation centers are primary domestic targets.
 

[size=42]An Eye Witness to the Red Dawn Training Camps Comes Forward[/size]

For several years, I have known that Kathy Rubio has first-hand, eyewitness accounts of these terrorist/military base camps throughout El Salvador and Honduras. For years, she has been keenly aware of the coordinated role that the Sanchez Peredes drug cartel plays in coordinating the marriage between the Russians, the Chinese, the various drug cartels and Middle Eastern terror groups, Further, Kathy and members of her family have been to these camps and she has spoken to the participants. She is also aware of the Deep State elements  from the United States, including the US State Department that are actively working in concert with these would-be-invasion forces.
President Trump knows and this is why we troops at the border. We just do not have National Guard at the border, we have troops and special operations forces operating throughout Central America monitoring and planning interdiction strategies for this combination of Red Dawn invasion force/terrorist 5th column training base camps.
It is not safe for either of us to have this information, without spreading this story far and wide. Within 24 hours of the airing of this show, I have been contacted by ARSOF and other assorted groups who also have fragments of the extensive nature of this story. For example, I have authenticated the identify of a man who said that under Obama, we used American based military contractors (eg Blackwater now called Academia) to install an underground missle battery in the jungles of Nicarauga as part of this system.
When Trump began dealing with the Caravan to Madness Central American refugee march, Kathy told me to watch the northern border. And was she ever right. We are getting incursions from both Russian and Chinese from Vancouver and they are presumably pre-positioning assets.  I have confirmation that I alluded to in related articles in the past week from two military personnel. In short, we are being prepared to be carved up like the proverbial Thanksgiving turkey.
Kathy’s story confirms most of what I have been able to find out on my own. However, she is a direct eyewiteness and this is what makes her testimony so compelling. And because we both fear that if war breaks out with China/Russia, the distraction will be used to launch the 1st phase, massive domestic terrorism, followed by a direct military invasion from out Southern underbelly.
Many, who have heard this live interview with Kathy, have told me that they thought this ws my most important interview in the history of my show. It certainly ranks up there. Here is the interview I recently conducted with Kathy Rubio as to these verifiable dangers.

[size=42]First-Hand Eyewitness Account to the Red Dawn Invasion Camps In Central America[/size]

Please also see the footnote of the latest, ongoing events in Mexico following this interview.
https://youtu.be/GTpx3RiRJV8

 
For more stories like these, visit The Common Sense Show
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PostSubject: USS DESTROYER APPROACHES RUSSIAN NAVAL BASE IN SYRIA, WITHOUT NOTIFYING RUSSIA   SYRIA AND BEYOND = BATTLESPACE DOCTRINE AND SYRIA 4-10-2018 I_icon_minitimeTue Apr 10, 2018 9:10 pm

https://www.blacklistednews.com/article/65113/uss-destroyer-approaches-russian-naval-base-in-syria-without-notifying.html

USS DESTROYER APPROACHES RUSSIAN NAVAL BASE IN SYRIA, WITHOUT NOTIFYING RUSSIA
Published: April 10, 2018


SOURCE: THE DURAN



US Navy Destroyer, USS Donald Cook (DDG-75), equipped with Tomahawk cruise missiles, as well as the Aegis missile defence system, is fast approaching the port of Tartus in Syria.
The port of Tartus is the location for the Syrian logistics base of the Russian Navy.
On Monday CNN Turk reported that the US destroyer was at at a distance of 100 km from the Russian Navy port in Syria.
The destroyer left the Cyprus port of Larnaka for the Syrian shoreline, and was reportedly buzzed by Russian warplanes which circled above the US warship four times.

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[ltr]#USSDonaldCook SYRIA AND BEYOND = BATTLESPACE DOCTRINE AND SYRIA 4-10-2018 1f1fa-1f1f8 departed #Larnaca, #Cyprus SYRIA AND BEYOND = BATTLESPACE DOCTRINE AND SYRIA 4-10-2018 1f1e8-1f1fe April 9, 2018, after completing a scheduled port visit April, 7, 2018. #SteadyPresence @USEmbassyCyprus http://www.c6f.navy.mil/news/uss-donald-cook-departs-larnaca …[/ltr]


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The Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer USS Donald Cook (DDG 75) departed Larnaca, Cyprus, April 9, 2018, after completing a scheduled port visit. The visit served to enhance U.S.-Cyprus...
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Most troubling part of this advancement into Syrian waters (and within striking range of the Russian base) is the fact that the U.S. Navy destroyer approached Syria WITHOUT notifying Russia.
Trump and his war hawk White House is pushing the world to complete nuclear destruction, all in support of Al Qaeda and White Helmet-ISIS propaganda.
Zerohedge reports…
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To be sure, Russia is concerned, and seemingly angry, that another showdown may be imminent. According to Pravda, the Chairman of the State Duma Defence Committee Vladimir Shamanov said that the United States did not notify Russia of the approach of the group of US warships to the Russian naval base in Tartus.
“A group of ships of the US Navy has appeared at a distance of 150 miles from the Tartus region. It is common in international practice potential participants of events in the area should be notified accordingly in advance. We have not been notified, although we had legally ratified the agreement on two bases in Tartus and Khmeymim,” the official said.
“Moreover, US President Donald Trump said that he would think about the missile attack on Syria despite any resolutions at the UN Security Council. All this smells of something are outside the framework of universally recognised international norms,” Shamanov added, suggesting that Russia is preparing for a Syria attack.
More troubling is that also on Monday, Russia’s Ambassador to the UN Vasily Nebenzia said that the Americans would have to deal with  “serious consequences” should they attack Syria.
“We have repeatedly warned the American side about highly negative consequences that may follow if they apply weapons against the legitimate Syrian government, and especially if the use of these weapons – God forbid, affects our military men, who legally stay in Syria,” the Russian Ambassador to the UN said at a meeting of the UN Security Council.
However, after yesterday news that the office of Trump’s personal lawyer was raided by the FBI and that attorney-client privilege between Trump and Cohen may be compromised, it now appears that in a desperate diversion attempt from his domestic troubles, a military response against Syria by Trump is now inevitable, especially following today’s news that the president is canceling his trip to Peru’s Summit of the Americas in order to “oversee” the Syria Military Response.
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PostSubject: TRUMP CANCELS SOUTH AMERICA TRIP TO "OVERSEE" SYRIA MILITARY RESPONSE   SYRIA AND BEYOND = BATTLESPACE DOCTRINE AND SYRIA 4-10-2018 I_icon_minitimeTue Apr 10, 2018 9:11 pm

https://www.blacklistednews.com/article/65110/trump-cancels-south-america-trip-to-oversee-syria-military.html





TRUMP CANCELS SOUTH AMERICA TRIP TO "OVERSEE" SYRIA MILITARY RESPONSE


At the start of the month we reported that according to White House sources, Trump was pushing for a Nafta deal "over the next two weeks", which was expected to be unveiled "in principle" at the Summit of the Americas in Peru on April 13-14.
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PostSubject: "Imminent Announcement" Of US Action In Syria Coming Amid Expectations Of Air Strikes "Within Hours"   SYRIA AND BEYOND = BATTLESPACE DOCTRINE AND SYRIA 4-10-2018 I_icon_minitimeTue Apr 10, 2018 9:20 pm

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-10/alert-issued-syria-air-strike-within-hours-russia-relcates-military-helicopters



"Imminent Announcement" Of US Action In Syria Coming Amid Expectations Of Air Strikes "Within Hours"


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“Due to the possible launch of air strikes into Syria with air-to-ground and / or cruise missiles within the next 72 hours, and the possibility of intermittent disruption of radio navigation equipment, due consideration needs to be taken”




Update: FoxNews just reported that an announcement on US Action in Syria is imminent.

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[ltr]UPDATE: The "imminent" announcement on the #U.S action against #Syria is coming.[/ltr]
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Reports are pouring in of US and French aircraft headed towards Syria for what we assume is a major operation if true. As of now, these reports remains unconfirmed:

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[ltr]#BREAKING: Heavy flight of #US-led coalition aircraft over the #Syria-#Iraq border according to Al-Jazeera.[/ltr]
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[ltr]US warplanes are also flying around the Al-Tanf area of southern #Syria, according to Al-Jazeera.[/ltr]
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Amid the loud war drums, the EU's air traffic control body, Eurocontrol, has issued a 72-hour Rapid Alert Notification to flight operators in the eastern Mediterranean - warning of possible rocket launches into Syria. 

“Due to the possible launch of air strikes into Syria with air-to-ground and / or cruise missiles within the next 72 hours, and the possibility of intermittent disruption of radio navigation equipment, due consideration needs to be taken when planning flight operations in the Eastern Mediterranean / Nicosia FIR area,” reads the alert. 

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For now an imminent airstrike appears unlikely as Russian warplanes are still in the air, and the US will hardly risk taking down a Russian fighter jet.

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However, according to subsequent reports, Russia appears to have received a warning as Russian military helicopters are reportedly relocating from the T-4 - which was struck by Israel on Monday morning - and Dumeyir airbases in Southern Syria to Hmeymim.

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The notification comes on the heels of several geopolitical developments in response to last weekend's alleged chemical attack on Syrian rebels. 

  • The USS Donald Cook has been parked off of Syrian waters, and has been buzzed by Russian pilots

  • President Trump has deployed  the Harry S. Truman Carrier Strike Group (HSTCSG) to the Mediterranean Wednesday, where it will join the USS Donald Cook off Syrian territorial waters.

  • Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, speaking shoulder-to-shoulder with Emmanuel Macron from Paris, announced his "readiness to work with allies on any military response in Syria if needed." 

  • Russia vetoed a UN Security Council resolution to investigate the chemical attack. Russia's UN envoy says the draft was designed to fail, which would thus "justify" unauthorized action in Syria. 

  • Russia is jamming military signals for some US drones operating in the skies over Syria, according to NBC, which cited four military officials.


There is some good news: according to the Pentagon Press Parking Index (PPPI) strikes against Syria tonight are unlikely:

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But just in case, you may want to grab your popcorn... and if you live near a military installation, you may not need a microwave.
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