What the Media Aren’t Telling You about Jamal Khashoggi

I find it kinda odd that this Jamal Khashoggi subject hasn’t passed through the forum yet. See the Daily Fail links to play catch up if need be, then read the Spectator link. It’s pretty damning stuff if true.

The USA is all kissy-kissy, huggy-huggy with the Saudi’s so this DOES MATTER!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6266231/Why-Saudi-Arabia-wanted-Khashoggi-gone.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6240073/Saudi-Arabian-consulate-claim-journalist-Jamal-Khashoggi-left-Istanbul-building-vanished.html
https://spectator.us/2018/10/jamal-khashoggi/

https://spectator.us/2018/10/jamal-khashoggi/

Spectator wrote:

The West has been fawning over bin Salman. But how now to overlook what seems to be a brazen Mafia-style murder? ‘I don’t like hearing about it,’ Donald Trump said. ‘Nobody knows anything about it, but there’s some pretty bad stories going around. I do not like it.’ Well, there are plenty more stories where that came from, stories about a ruthless prince whose opponents have a habit of disappearing. The fate of Khashoggi is the latest sign of what’s really happening inside Saudi Arabia. For how much longer will our leaders look the other way?

[A TON MORE AT SPECTATOR LINK]

I'm still keeping abreast of anything new here. A few things that caught my attention. This whole thing

STINKS ON ICE!

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-15/trump-sending-pompeo-saudi-arabia-after-speaking-saudi-king

Quote :

Speaking to a group of reporters Monday morning, Trump said that "rogue killers" may have been responsible for Khashoggi's killing, though Trump added that this was merely a personal hunch, and that the Saudis didn't tell him anything like that.

Rouge killers? Uh-huh, riiiight! I call BS right now on that. We know that fifteen Saudis arrived via plane, were in the embassy, left the embassy in a black SUV (photos exist) hauling out multiple "boxes" of something, then made an immediate exit to an airstrip and back to Saudi Arabia. Quick same day in and out and it just so happened all the close circuit TV cameras at the embassy didn't work that day.

What's that smell?

The Trump comments in the zerohedge article, well, POTUS knows something and he ain't spilling. I can't say that I blame him (at the moment) but come on man . . .  rouge killers??? Give me a break! Go watch that video over at zerohedge.

Then there's this from a local Tehran news outlet;

Cameras caught the moment three cleaning personnel entered the Saudi consulate in Istanbul hours before an expected Turkish inspection of the building.

https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2018/10/15/1853555/cleaning-crew-enter-saudi-consulate-before-turkish-inspection-of-kashoggi-murdur-video

Quote :

October, 15, 2018

Nurit Ben the anchor & editor at the i24NEWS_EN posted the video on her twitter account and wrote that the Reuters and AP cameras have caught what appears to be a cleaning crew entering the Saudi consulate in Istanbul hours before an expected Turkish inspection of the building. All a full two weeks since Jamal Khashoggi disappeared.

There's a short ½ minute video of this at that tasnimnews link.

I agree that it does sound like the Saudis are responsible for this. However, this seems like another episode like Bret Kavanaugh in the way that he was accused of something and the media dropped the gavel proclaiming him to be guilty. Again, it does sound like they are guiilty, and it would not surprise me at all if does turn out to be them. 
Question though, when do we get back to "innocent until proven guilty"? I'm tired of the media finding people guilty just based on accusations!

I just walked by tv and heard Saudi's may be admitting he died accidentally during interrogation.
Pompeo is in SA I believe.
We need some excuse that allows the sale of jets to go through without too much blowback.

Dove wrote:

I just walked by tv and heard Saudi's may be admitting he died accidentally during interrogation.
Pompeo is in SA I believe.
We need some excuse that allows the sale of jets to go through without too much blowback.

I can confirm that you heard it right, Dove. Fox reports below from yesterday and today  confirm what you heard. More at both links below.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/saudi-arabia-considers-saying-activist-jamal-khashoggi-was-killed-by-mistake-reports-say

Quote :

Saudi Arabia considers saying activist Jamal Khashoggi was killed by mistake, reports say

Trump also announced he'd dispatched Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to the kingdom — and anywhere else necessary — to get to the bottom of the apparent demise of Khashoggi

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sen-graham-saudi-crown-prince-has-got-to-go-after-khashoggis-disappearance

Quote :

Sen. Graham: Saudi crown prince ‘has got to go’ after Khashoggi's disappearance

Sen. Lindsey Graham said Tuesday on Fox News that he wants to see Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman forced out of his position after the mysterious disappearance of activist Jamal Khashoggi.

“This guy has got to go,” Graham, R-S.C., said on “Fox and Friends.” “Saudi Arabia, if you’re listening: There are a lot of good people you can choose, but MBS has tainted your country and tainted himself.”

Asked who should replace him, Graham said, “That’s up to them. Not my job.”

“I know this: Nothing what happens in Saudi Arabia without MBS knowing it,” Graham said.

He added, “I'm not going back to Saudi Arabia as long as this guy is in charge.”

I'm surprised at Graham.  What better way for the Old Guard to pay back and nix Salman than this kind of set up.
Not that Salman isn't also as ruthless as they come.  But still....was he not integral to The Plan?
Who knows what we'd get if he was removed.

OK, this sewer getting deeper, smellier, and flowing faster. Chest waders and nose clamps are recommended. Q drop from Oct. 04 for reference.



Video below is ~33½ minutes long but you'll want the first 12½ for the Jamal Khashoggi part. After that the video goes into attempted POTUS assassination in the Philippines then Hilary and security clearance being pulled. You'll want that first 12 minutes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgKgV7LyEIo


Now I'm moving on to give references starting with the Die Welt article mentioned in the video.

https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article182066232/Naher-Osten-Bei-Khashoggi-ging-es-nicht-nur-um-Journalismus.html

Die Welt wrote:

"Khashoggi was not just about journalism"
(Die Welt, translated from German)

Political scientist Asiem El Difraoui knew the missing Saudi Arabian Jamal Khashoggi. He makes his own assumptions about the case. Because his friend was not just a journalist.


FÜR Asiem El Difraoui was Jamal Khashoggi an important interlocutor, when it came to Saudi Arabia or international terrorism. The German-Egyptian political scientist Difraoui, co-founder of the Berlin think tank Candid Foundation, met Kashoggi for the first time in the time of the American occupation of Iraq.

Die Welt:
Mr El Difraoui, you have met Jamal Khashoggi several times. What kind of person was he?

Asiem El Difraoui:
He was extremely sociable, very friendly and relaxed even on sensitive topics. Most people quickly called him Jamal. I met him in about 2003 or 2004, in the vicinity of former Saudi Arabia intelligence chief Turki Bin Faisal Al Saud. He and Prince Turki were already considering how the kingdom could be modernized. And Jamal had met Osama bin Laden several times. He had tried in the 1990s to move him away from militancy. That was obviously important enough for him to visit in Sudan and Afghanistan. Bin Laden should mitigate his criticism of the royal family and return home. Of course, within the elite you know each other. Both came from the same generation and from two of the richest families in the kingdom – bin Laden’s father was the country’s largest contractor, Khashoggi’s uncle Adnan was an influential arms dealer. In addition, Khashoggi’s grandfather was personal physician to the Saudi King Abd al-Aziz. But Khashoggi himself also had sympathy for the Muslim Brotherhood, where he saw a more modern, more democratic form of Islamism. For today’s Saudi leadership, however, the Muslim Brothers are an international main opponent.

Die Welt:
What do you suspect, what could have happened to Khashoggi?

Difraoui:
If he was murdered, then I would be surprised if only his journalistic activities were the reason. The Saudis owns half of the international Arab media. They have generally built up a very effective media shield. As a journalist and activist, Khashoggi may have been extremely uncomfortable, but no real threat. But Khashoggi knew a lot. He was not just the media officer of intelligence chief Prince Turki, as it is sometimes called now. He was one of his main advisers and was said to have worked for the secret service for a while. Khashoggi was intensely familiar with the sensitive issues of the kingdom. And he was a member of the super-elite. He might have known too much.

Die Welt:
What knowledge could have become dangerous for him?

Difraoui:
For some topics would be questioned. Corruption or old knowledge about links to extremism. Above all, however, the internal conflicts or misconduct of the royal family. If the secret service protects the security of the country, it must also know what is happening in the ruling family. The current, often unpredictable crown prince Mohammed bin Salman is currently the really strong man in the country. But he has also made enemies in the family. What if his father Salman dies? Then Mohammed will probably have to fight again. Perhaps Khashoggi’s knowledge was dangerous in this regard. His old patron, Prince Turki, wanted to position himself as Crown Prince. He has surprisingly not commented on the case so far. Turki knows almost all internals of the family.

Die Welt:
Some speculate that the leadership wanted to bring Khashoggi back …

Difraoui:
A failed abduction attempt seems plausible. So far, the Saudis have kidnapped above all, but not murdered. Their media are now spreading the claim that the arch-enemy Qatar and Turkey are responsible. Khashoggi’s disappearance is obviously a problem for the monarchy and its strongman – the Crown Prince.
snip
 
Die Welt reveals that Jamal Khashoggi was not a journalist, but a high-level operative for the Saudi intelligence service, an intimate of Osama bin Laden, and the nephew of the shadiest of all Arab arms dealers, the infamous Adnan Khashoggi.

John Bradley reported last week in the Spectator that Khashoggi, who allegedly met a grisly end in a Saudi consulate in Istanbul, was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Islamist organization that among other things wants to replace the Saudi monarchy with a modern Islamist totalitarian state.

What the media aren’t telling you about Jamal Khashoggi
The dissident’s fate says a lot about Saudi Arabia and the rise of the mobster state
John R. Bradley
https://spectator.us/2018/10/jamal-khashoggi/

Some other tid-bits to ponder over this goat rope. My apology for the wall of text but things do disappear from the internet. I wanted all this archived should it be needed again.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/exclusive-khashoggi-829291552

Middleeasteye wrote:

Jamal Khashoggi's killing took seven minutes,
Turkish source tells MEE

#Khashoggi
Middle East Eye publishes first details of audio tape acquired by Turkish investigators probing what happened to Saudi journalist

Tuesday 16 October 2018 19:07 UTC
Last update: 
Tuesday 16 October 2018 20:47 UTC

 
It took seven minutes for Jamal Khashoggi to die, a Turkish source who has listened in full to an audio recording of the Saudi journalist's last moments told Middle East Eye.
 
Khashoggi was dragged from the Consul General’s office at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul and onto the table of his study next door, the Turkish source said.
 
Horrendous screams were then heard by a witness downstairs, the source said.
 
"The consul himself was taken out of the room. There was no attempt to interrogate him. They had come to kill him,” the source told MEE.
 
The screaming stopped when Khashoggi - who was last seen entering the Saudi consulate on 2 October - was injected with an as yet unknown substance.
 
Salah Muhammad al-Tubaigy, who has been identified as the head of forensic evidence in the Saudi general security department, was one of the 15-member squad who arrived in Ankara earlier that day on a private jet.
 
Tubaigy began to cut Khashoggi’s body up on a table in the study while he was still alive, the Turkish source said.
 
The killing took seven minutes, the source said
 
As he started to dismember the body, Tubaigy put on earphones and listened to music. He advised other members of the squad to do the same.
 
“When I do this job, I listen to music. You should do [that] too,” Tubaigy was recorded as saying, the source told MEE.
 
A three-minute version of the audio tape has been given to Turkish newspaper Sabah, but they have yet to release it.
 
A Turkish source told the New York Times that Tubaigy was equipped with a bone saw. He is listed as the president of the Saudi Fellowship of Forensic Pathology and a member of the Saudi Association for Forensic Pathology.
 
In 2014, London-based Saudi newspaper Asharaq al-Awsat interviewed Tubaigy about a mobile clinic that allows coroners to perform autopsies in seven minutes to determine the cause of death of Hajj pilgrims.
 
The newspaper reported that the mobile clinic was partly designed by Tubaigy and could be used in "security cases that requires pathologist intervention to perform an autopsy or examine a body at the place of a crime”.
 
These are the first details to emerge of the Saudi journalist’s killing. Khashoggi was last seen entering the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on 2 October to retrieve paperwork.
 
To date, Saudi officials have strongly denied any involvement in his disappearance and say that he left the consulate soon after arriving. However, they have not presented any evidence to corroborate their claim and say that video cameras at the consulate were not recording at the time.
 
Trump: MBS 'totally denied' knowledge of what happened
 
Meanwhile, on Tuesday afternoon, Donald Trump tweeted that he spoke to Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, who "totally denied any knowledge of what took place" in Istanbul.
 
In two tweets, the US president wrote that MBS took the call in the presence of US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who was dispatched to Saudi Arabia this week amid a growing diplomatic nightmare over Khashoggi's disappearance.
 
Trump said Bin Salman told him "that he has already started, and will rapidly expand, a full and complete investigation into this matter".
 
"Answers will be forthcoming shortly," Trump tweeted.
 

 
Pompeo also met with Saudi King Salman and Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir on Tuesday in Saudi Arabia, and he "reiterated US concern" over Khashoggi's disappearance, US State Department spokesperson Heather Nauert said in a statement.
 
"The secretary and the foreign minister agreed on the importance of a thorough, transparent, and timely investigation," Nauert said.
 
Pompeo is expected to be in Turkey on Wednesday to probe the incident further. He will meet Turkish Foreign Minister Cavusoglu to "discuss the Jamal Khashoggi case and reiterate the US offer to assist Turkey in its investigation", Nauert said in a subsquent statement.
 
On Monday, CNN reported that Saudi Arabia was preparing to release a report that would blame Khashoggi's death on a botched interrogation.
 
That would be a sharp reversal of earlier statements in which Saudi officials said they had nothing to do with the journalist's disappearance and said he left the Saudi consulate minutes after he first arrived on 2 October.
 
Khashoggi, a prominent journalist and columnist for the Washington Post, had been living in self-imposed exile in Washington, DC, when he disappeared.
 
On Tuesday, Washington Post publisher and CEO Fred Ryan called for a "full and honest explanation" of Khashoggi's disappearance.
 
"The Saudi government can no longer remain silent, and it is essential that our own government and others push harder for the truth," Ryan said in a statement. "Until we have a full account and full accountability, it cannot be business as usual with the Saudi government."
 
The United Nations human rights chief also called for immunity to be lifted for officials who might be involved in Khashoggi's disappearance.
 
Due to the seriousness of the case, the immunity generally accorded to diplomats "should be waived immediately", Michelle Bachelet said.
 
 

Dove wrote:

I'm surprised at Graham.  What better way for the Old Guard to pay back and nix Salman than this kind of set up.
Not that Salman isn't also as ruthless as they come.  But still....was he not integral to The Plan?
Who knows what we'd get if he was removed.

Funny you should say that Dove. i was just wondering yesterday when the "green" man would show up. The green/pale horse, that is.

Liberated from Tiger Droppings.

Prince Al-Waleed, of course, not sounding so innocent now.

https://media.8ch.net/file_store/f1dafc5f8b3834bdf062390a7a27e08df95d00a12e6d27203d66bd4844b37058.png

Trump: US asked Turkey for Khashoggi tape, 'if it exists'
 
Two minute Trump video (that won’t embed here) inside link plus article.
 
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-u-s-wants-audio-and-video-related-to-khashoggi-disappearance-if-it-exists
 
President Donald Trump tells reporters that the U.S. has requested audio and video relating to missing Saudi columnist Jamal Khashoggi from Turkey, stresses that Saudi Arabia is an important U.S. ally in the Middle East.

Does anyone else remember we had a similar scenario not so many years back-minus the butchering.
An individual of from one country was murdered inside a consulate located in another country.
But that's about all I remember.  Can't even figure out how to search without more info.

Just a couple other things:
And WHEN do we get to name Google a threat to national security?  Hope it's soon.

And one trivia bite.  In reading about JFK Jr., John P. Barlow came up as one of his best friends. (With pictures of them together)
 

Well what have we here?
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6288235/Saudi-autopsy-expert-butchered-Jamal-Khashoggi-trained-Britain.html
 

Quote :

The man accused of butchering Saudi journalist Jamal Kashoggi inside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul is a doctor who trained in Britain - it has been revealed.

Salah Muhammad al-Tubaigy, who is known as a 'forensic expert', studied pathology at the University of Glasgow in 2004 and learned how to carry out autopsies.

He was pictured jetting into Istanbul on the day Khashoggi went missing on October 2 and has since been linked to his murder by an audio recording taken on the journalist's Apple watch.

In the seven-minute tape, Tubaigy can reportedly be heard leading the brutal dismembering of Khashoggi's body.
 


 
Dr. Salah Al-Tubaigy was pictured at Istanbul's Ataturk airport on October 2, raising more suspicion around his involvement in the alleged torture case.

[more at link]

That could be 2 birds with 1 stone and we didn't even have to throw it.  That's enough of a double reverse whammy for me.

EDIT:  Never mind.  I don't have any educated guess yet.  Trying to pin the tail on the rat fink in a room full of rat finks is tricky.

Soooo, now the Saudis are saying that he was killed by Saudis, but it happened accidentally duribg a fight. Hmmmmmm

Josephus caught it first yesterday. The truth is starting to trickle out little by little. Screen Capture from link below.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6297139/How-Saudi-Arabia-changed-story-Jamal-Khashoggi.html

Newsweek just hit the stands today with the Jamal Khashoggi interview. The one that probably got him whacked. You can read the entire interview below at the link and there is a two minute video inside with audio portions of the Jamal Khashoggi interview.
 

 
 

Newsweek wrote:

Jamal Khashoggi Secret Interview: The Saudi Journalist’s Views of Islam, America and the ‘Reformist’ Prince Implicated in His Murder
By Rula Jebreal On 10/19/18 at 3:04 PM
 
Jamal Khashoggi told me he feared for his life. I was reporting a cover story on Saudi Arabia for Newsweek and we were speaking confidentially: That’s one reason I haven’t allowed this transcript to be published until now. The other reason is I hoped against hope that he was still alive. Despite ample signs of the extreme brutality of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and his regime, I could never have imagined we would so soon be reflecting on Jamal’s death. 

[MUCH MORE AT LINK]

 
https://www.newsweek.com/jamal-khashoggi-secret-interview-saudi-murder-prince-mbs-islam-america-1178489