Do Angels Need Wings?

Subject: Do Angels Need Wings? Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:31 am

Not talking about 'earth angels', just heavenly ones. angel bounce

I'm going to reserve my comments for awhile, and hopefully all who see this can ponder for a moment or two.

And feel free to opine. I've switched coffee and am much calmer now! chuckle

[though still not jewish. lol]

   I want to know the thoughts of God. Everything else is just details.
     A Miracle is when God makes His Reality our Experience

Subject: Re: Do Angels Need Wings? Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:41 am

No takers. Wink

Ok. I'll go first. hee.

Wings represent flying. We perceive angels to be of the air. So, they must need wings. Hmmm.
For whose sake? Theirs? Or ours.

Where are they flying in from? Saturn? The Pleiades ? Another galaxy? How long did it take them?
No time. So, they didn't fly in? Instead, they just appear.

But we still need to determine where they came from. A wormhole isn't a bad analogy.
The problem is that we [with the help of science] still perceive wormholes as being
'out there', in space, in physicality. Now, are there 'wormholes' in space? Sure could be. But they would be there as a 'representation' of Truth. Not the 'be all-end all' of Truth.
So, not only is that a very limited and limiting view, it's wrong. And it robs us of True understanding of reality.
Isn't that just like the purveyors of 'science'? Trying to reduce God to the confines of man's reach.

Back later...

   I want to know the thoughts of God. Everything else is just details.
     A Miracle is when God makes His Reality our Experience

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I believe traditions of men on what Angels are and what they look like is for the most part pure fairy tales. We have been brainwashed into viewing Angels with wings in artwork. There are different types of heavenly beings. Most want to take all of them and veiw them as Angels. Angels are messengers and I see no evidence of Angels in the Bible having wings. Just one scripture that mentions Angels blows the whole Angels having wings out of the water.

Hebrews 13:2........."Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares."

Most certainly if we had been among Angels with wings we would be very aware. How in the world would we be unaware?

Now when other types of heavenly beings are mentioned some in The Bible are described as having wings but they are never said to be Angels.

So I see no evidence in The Bible that Angels need wings.

Subject: Re: Do Angels Need Wings? Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:03 am

I agree our idea is archetypal, to serve the purpose of identifying a Spiritual entity.

So, where do they come from and how do they get here? I'm saying nothing yet because I don't want to steer this or interfere with your thoughts. And of course, all I have too are but thoughts; some deductions in logic IF the logic is sound, which I'm aiming to find out.

And thank you for stepping up and participating. I'm not afraid to examine what I think I believe, AND it's much more interesting with two or more. Wink

   I want to know the thoughts of God. Everything else is just details.
     A Miracle is when God makes His Reality our Experience

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Dove......Lay out your thoughts. I look forward to reading how you see things.

Subject: Re: Do Angels Need Wings? Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:38 pm

Ok. And in the end, I'm kind of chasing one thing, as you'll surmise. (whoops, didn't get there.)

My starting point is that the Kingdom of God is within you.
And that took me on a hard left turn. So, a different area of discussion first, if you would?

From https://www.gotquestions.org/kingdom-of-God-within-you.html
In [url=https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Luke 17.20%E2%80%9321]Luke 17:20–21[/url], Jesus says, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you” (NKJV). The context of Jesus’ statement is a question put to Him by His Pharisee detractors who had asked when the kingdom of God would come.

And also, paraphrased, don't look for Him in the world as that's not where to find Him.
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So I'm holding a couple assumptions that you [others] may not.
Although Matthew (wasn't it?) referred always to the 'Kingdom of Heaven', I take that to be the same as the Kingdom of God. Well, actually maybe I don't.

John said, "all who call on the Name of Jesus will be saved'.
That doesn't touch on what Jesus taught of "You must be born again of the Spirit to see the Kingdom of God".
One can call on the Name and not be automatically filled with the Spirit.
The potential is there, but not necessarily the substance and evidence of it.

You may be aware that Stewart Best maintains that without the infilling of the Holy Spirit, 'Christians' are deceived and will not be going to heaven.
I believe he's wrong and so does at least one other on the forum who has said so.

Yet the distinction between those in whom the Spirit abides, and those in whom He does not, is obvious to the observer by the absence of Fruit, and of conformance to the Image and Likeness of Christ, with a new mind and a new heart.

I believe Jesus, and I believe John. When Jesus said, 'many mansions', could that infer levels? We speak of the 3rd heaven and the 7th heaven. Maybe?

The one thing I do feel confident about is that 'the same Holy Spirit that resurrected Jesus will resurrect us'. Paul said the Holy Spirit IS the Power of the Resurrection.
And that most probably the Indwelling Spirit is necessary to participate in the Millennial Reign as well.

Thoughts on that?

   I want to know the thoughts of God. Everything else is just details.
     A Miracle is when God makes His Reality our Experience

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I see Angels coming from another realm or dimension. I view the whole spirit world as there but we can't see it with our eyes. A door to that realm must be opened for either we or they to pass through. We read about this in The Book of Revelation when Jesus Christ is returning to earth. We also read of another realm opening when The Bottomless Pit (Abyss) is opened. Two events with two different host coming through them.

When Jesus Christ was on earth the political kingdom did not occur at that time, but one day it will. What was there was Jesus Christ The King standing among them......."They were in the midst of him.......He was in the midst or among them." The Kingdom was not "within" the Pharisees that's for sure and that's who he was addressing. The Pharisees were demanding when the kingdom of God should come.

The evidence of The Kingdom no doubt was there among them and Jesus pointed this out speaking of the miracles he performed..........Luke 11:20........"But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you."

Through believers the spiritual Kingdom was beginning to spread. Once The Comforter was sent to fill the Apostles and they went out into the earth preaching the good news then it began moving at a very good pace. The message was of a returning King......"The King" one day coming back to this earth to rule in a physical kingdom as well as a spiritual kingdom.

When more is given more is expected. This is how I view The Holy Spirit. Not all of us have the same gifts from God. I believe as it was in the past The Holy Spirit will come upon some in the last days in what I call a full portion. These chosen will receive the full portion and are not to think what to say,but allow only The Holy Spirit to speak through them. It is going to take a huge strength to stand firm against pure evil.

I believe most take born again to a level that is false.

Subject: Re: Do Angels Need Wings? Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:55 am

I say yes to that. The Kingdom of God exists in another dimension, another realm. The funny thing is, is that it is all around us. It sustains us and all life. One could say we are within it, even while yet apart from it and blind to it. Thinking about it, I'd say angels have always had access to the earth realm.
God however, will not enter in where sin exists. What we must do in this Age is different than what was required by God in the OT.

There is a 'Door' that WE must open in order to 'ENTER IN', and Jesus invited all who believe on Him, Whomsoever will, to do just that.

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with Me. Rev. 3:20

If we take God at His Word, we cannot clean ourselves up to the point of being worthy to sit with Him. It is the Spirit residing in us that is the evidence of our being 'washed of all sin'.
AND ! It is He who does that work. Just amazing how much God does for us, has provided for us.

As there is no "Door" out in the world, we understand it is within our consciousness, at the core of our being, at the level of soul. We 'enter in' by Praise and Worship, with reverence, and trust. And in a True understanding of what exactly we are doing, [seeking to enter into the Presence of God as He has provided to us who are yet alive in the flesh, we leave our petitions at the door and enter in to meet with Him, in stillness; in silence.

You mentioned, "I believe most take born again to a level that is false."
Sure, we've seen some crazy stuff, and it's anything but appealing. It does not 'draw all men to Him', by any stretch.
Surely they are without wisdom, discernment, without discipline, knowledge, understanding. They are not groomed or tempered by the Spirit. But as far as levels? Most stand in the outer courts.

As I talk about Spirit, that in no way negates the importance of the Word. But I acknowledge Him as the author of the Word, and so if I can have time with the author I'm in the best position to understand what the Word means.

Personally I don't study the OT in detail. You may have noticed. chuckle

But I feel I understand what God was doing, and WHY. And He has pointed out some things to me that I've never heard anyone else mention.
My studies follow the direction that has existed my entire life.
It seems wise to continue 'there', while not being ignorant of the whole of the Word, of course.

As far as being here on forum, some things I feel He opens my heart to say, but as an audible and direct instruction, what I was told to speak of was the Rapture. And that was interesting because I had never heard of the Rapture till just before I came to the forum. It was a learning experience for me too.
And still my understanding differs from most everyone here.

My favorite discussion is that of the Kingdom, and what God has provided for believers right now as well as the Kingdom to Come. When we ever fully 'realize' the Kingdom, the flesh will be dead...so there ARE limits. chuckle

But Jesus and the Father sent us the Holy Spirit
for our life here and now. And what He taught about the Kingdom is a treasure that all people desire, and that they can have, once they understand.
The Word prepares us, and the Spirit sets about to do His Good Work in us, and it is wise to wait on Him. Some have managed to trip in unprepared and they get the crap beat out of them! It's nothing to mess with.
What we see on earth is a mirror, a reflection of what's going on in the Spirit. And the battle is heating up!

In so many ways it's about the veil of separation between God and man. Born and taught the ways of the fallen world as we are, most of us must learn the Way back home.
But where once we were 'set apart' from God due to sin,
by Jesus and the Spirit of God, we can enter into the Kingdom
and in our 'new life', be 'set apart' from the world.

Then there is the Anointing; the Power of God. The Bible says to guard against having a form of godliness but denying the Power therein. My feeling is we are woefully ill-equipped for the Power. We rarely have the Presence rightly taught, much less the Power. Yet, here we are in the battle
where we Must have it.
To understand we are but the temple for the Spirit of God on the earth, and that the Power issues forth from there...
well....
It is NOTHING to God to take care of all our needs. It almost goes without saying. But WHY should He free up our lives so.
So we can get more stuff? Or so that we are set free-to do HIS Will.

   I want to know the thoughts of God. Everything else is just details.
     A Miracle is when God makes His Reality our Experience

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Is this what you're talking about?

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Same thing. Different graphics.

Subject: Re: Do Angels Need Wings? Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:34 pm

Wow Jem...he practically scared me to death ...BUT this could well be the mechanics of 'All that IS'.
If he's not tripping, that is. Lol. Kidding. I think this is great.

Then~ now that I have more of the language to search with, I might be able to find one Mark Flynn posted long ago that I haven't had any luck finding.

Ok. I'm only 7 minutes in..lol...so I'm going back and I'll be back.

At the very least we should be able to reconstruct the coral castle in Florida. Heehee!
~the pyramids~ ~a tesla coil~ love it!

   I want to know the thoughts of God. Everything else is just details.
     A Miracle is when God makes His Reality our Experience

Subject: Re: Do Angels Need Wings? Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:09 pm

I don't believe angels have wings, they are spirits and as God allows they can just appear, when they have been sent by Him....The pictures we see, as "Angels proclaiming the birth of Christ" look like they have wings, but that is "man's" interpretation....the artists, if you like. Like a painting some one had hanging on their wall of "the last supper" totally wrong as far as dress code and everything else is concerned, an "artists" impression
In Romans 11 v 36 I read, "For everything comes from God alone, everything lives....by His power...etc....I have had quite some words about this because some one told "us" at a study, that the H.S power lives in us so we can do things others can't do, and I do not exactly agree with that one..( not saying that we can't, but not the way on this occasion it was explained).
It also says (somewhere) "the same H.S power that raised Christ from the dead, lives in you.." I understand that to mean that the same H,S power will raise us from the dead at our appointed time.....I could be wrong, have often been so before but there you have it.

Subject: Re: Do Angels Need Wings? Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:56 am

Agreed, Yaddy. And I want all of God's Promises to be integral to all our lives. Maybe as much for the pure AWE of it as for any reason. As always there's so much that can be said about it, but at it's core are just the Words of Jesus and truly accepting them as instructions that we then DO.

There's a 'flip'. [all of the Kingdom is a 'flip' from the ways of the world]. The ways of the world say work for what you need. Jesus said, seek God FIRST in ALL THINGS, REST in Me, and all will be given to you by 'My Father'.
Jesus said it. Do we believe it enough to live it? To find out if what He said is Truth? Will God supply all my needs according to His riches and Glory?
Yes, we'll still have work to do, but the burden of meeting the needs of life is removed from us and carried by Him. Then, ideally, the work we then do is what He would have us do.
AND THEN the CRAZY PART; the cherry on top. It's HE who does the work!
These things are 'being done' through me-us.

It would be horribly wrong of me to say these things if I did not know that they are true. I do know it is Truth.
They are True in direct correlation to our proximity to God and His Kingdom. I'll repeat, because it's so important: too many Christians stay gathered at the gates, at the outer courts and DO NOT ENTER IN. Even as the Spirit says Come. Even as Jesus says Come, sit at My Table and sup with Me..

God is ALWAYS on our side. No person is His enemy unless they choose to be. A believer, a follower, is His child. The phenomenal effort that God went through to prepare for the Coming of OUR Salvation was 110% out of Love.

And we are here again. Preparing the Way for the Lord. Uncovering the works of darkness. Battling the forces of evil, in the Spirit world and manifested on the earth.
Can GOD fail? If not, then neither can we. He is Coming again, and His Reward is with Him.
And His Greatest Reward IS Him.
Let the weak say they are strong. Strong in the Might of the Lord.

   I want to know the thoughts of God. Everything else is just details.
     A Miracle is when God makes His Reality our Experience

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