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Scars,  We were working cows when I got the phone call so my sister answered it. I only got the message from her unfortunately. I think it was from a borrowed phone. All that  I know is that it got their internet. I think ,if it got that, it got the computers and smart TVs too.  When lightening got us a few years ago ( for the second time), it got everything  associated with the phoneline and even the ac motors . Hopefully their ac is ok because it is so very hot here with heat indexes approaching 115.  I'm going to try and call them again today and let you know if I have more news.   Thank you for asking .

ScaRZ wrote:

bordercollie wrote:

Thanks for posting  !!  I'm sure that Mike is eager to get things back in order( after the lightening storm)  so he can do some catching up  here.

What kind of damage was done in the lightning storm? 

Man!! I'm sorry to hear about this.

I've been meaning to ask that same question myself. Just got busy here and didn't get it asked. I'm missing Mike as well. He shakes things up here - and that's a good thing.

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EDIT: Ahhhh, after i posted I see your reply, Bordercollie. When I replied I didn't see it because it wrapped over to a new page. Guess my question got answered.

Oh yeah, lightning hitting even miles away can also stress and knock out other things like HVAC systems too. Usually fries the run cap inside the condenser, (that ½ of the AC system that sits outside). Seems to zap the capacitor inside those things quite often. Easy to fix. A do it yourself type person can change that capacitor in less than 10 minutes.

This may be helpful if the AC got zapped. Easy-Peasy to do. Be sure to turn circuit breakers off to both the outside unit and INSIDE blower fan unit before starting. They are separate systems - run on different voltages. Take the old capacitor to the parts house or order one on Amazon. Just be sure you get the values right for the replacement. Be sure you get the wires on the correct terminals when swapping and you'll be good to go.

Example below. The 30/5 MFD is the value on this part. Yours may be different (40/5   45/7.5 etc.) so pay attention to those values when ordering a new one.



Quick 4 minute tutorial video. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSyZHOjlbMs

Great information Researcher  !!!    I talked to the   Mrs  . and all that is lost is the internet. Although the closest neighbor lost everything electrical.  It's that new , newfangled internet though  so the parts aren't so common  so slow coming in. They don't know when it will get fixed- argh !!  I told Mike that ya'll were concerned.
  A few months ago here, it struck our electric fence and the next morning 20 feet of it had just evaporated. The Lord was watching over us though because no cows were killed (in that one) .  I posted about it with pics  of the melted wire on the garden forum.  Our energizer had protection so was ok too.  https://www.thebayougardenerfamily.com/topic/122-whats-the-weather-like-where-you-are/page/19/?tab=comments#comment-11296
 Thank you to Scars for allowing me to skyjack this thread for a bit. I  do appreciate all that ya'll do- Without this place I would be all messed up  with eyes closed but thinking I was secure.  Much needed  thread !!!!!!

I would like to thank all of you for the information about Mike as well as the AC unit repair.

I'm just very thankful that Mike and family as well as their home are okay. 

Now days if we don't have the internet we are lost. There is so much of our daily lives that revolve around it.

This video is amazing and everybody needs to watch it. It got me thinking about what is down the road as knowledge continues to advance........"And what is done with that knowledge."

The Extraordinary 4-Dimensional Design of DNA - Dr. Robert Carter

Thank you. I'm letting this soak in and thinking about the jab stuff association.

ScaRZ wrote:

This video is amazing and everybody needs to watch it. It got me thinking about what is down the road as knowledge continues to advance........"And what is done with that knowledge."

Let's say that The Day of The Lord does not come within a generation or so as I would say most Christians believe. I would say most for a very long time have thought the end would come in their generation or at least the next.

Just think how only a hundred or a few hundred years could change the whole makeup of our understanding of DNA. What will humanity be doing with the advancement in knowledge that will progress?

I see much of The Book of Revelation and their views of today changing as more and more years pass away.

With the advancement of knowledge there always comes a two edge sword. What is done with the knowledge in the hands and minds of humans never has covered only a good side. 

Just like how money can corrupt, so also can knowledge. The ones sitting in the penthouses of the world are always in search of an advantage and they will do anything to obtain it. With great advancement in knowledge brings with it more influence and power.

I ran across this song that was shared on All News Pipeline and I fell right in love with it. I think y’all will like it too. I am sooooooo ready to be with Yeshua (when He's finished with me here that is) and finally be done with the devil's evil prison planet world. Folks just don't understand why I don't fear death. Poor them!
 
Length: 3½ minutes of pure joy. Turn the volume up!
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqBg5GWrgoI

I intend to listen to the video today Scarz, but I tell just by the title that it will fully reflect my theories and thoughts on a different people with different DNA than us that are living and commingling with us. Now, if there is a 4D variant in DNA, especially one that can be manipulated, then the action in Eden is lit in a new light. I really can't comment more until I hear the video, but I am guessing that I already have picked up a scent on what it will be about. Lots of info on DNA in the bible but few people can grasp it, just like the true gospel doctrines. For the last 7 decades, Christianity has devolved into a man-centered false religion based on a works based form of gnosticism that says that a person can choose their "final destination" in eternity. Only God can do that through His sovereign Will and Purpose. Kinda' getting off the farm there, but its something that aggravates me.

Is there a wormhole in human DNA? Or a connection to "God" or "gods" in there? The "breath of life" and "in His own IMAGE" has fascinated me for a long time. Now, lets see what this video says when I climb down out of the tree that I'm working on that I have absolutely no business being in. I am going to be about 20 feet off of the ground with a 10 foot pole saw today. The potential for a real disaster is there. My wife won't even watch

I'm happy to be back after experiencing a wicked lightning strike in the vicinity that destroyed our new internet setup. We didn't have any damage though I don't know why not, other than my double grounding everything and insisting that the phone lines be grounded to it. Our neighbors were not so lucky. They lost every piece of electronic equipment and appliance that they had. The drop box is less than a hundred yards from my house and it fried the brain for it and of course, they had no replacement for it(welcome to Joe Bidens communistic America). We were out of service for 12 days and I called every day to raise hell about it. NOT ONCE did I speak with an American, some were barely able to make sentences in English. The tech guy is a friend of mine and he was  not able to do a thing to get us going and not only that, they are not allowed to carry a spare tire or jack to change a tire if they have a flat. They call a service center almost a hundred miles away. This is where we are

I see the forum hasn't changed. Still full of copy and paste stuff that is most likely false info and fake news. The so-called right is as bad as the left. Very little discussion any more and that is why I rarely read any other threads on here beside this one. You are a very gifted man, Scarz, and I enjoy being inside your brain a little bit more than I should,lol.

Michael......Very good to see you again. You always get me thinking and that is something that I enjoy so much. 

I've often thought that "The Book of Life" could be viewed also as DNA. Think about how our names are written in The Book of Life and also how they can be blotted out of The Book of Life. Yes!! I most certainly believe through manipulation of DNA our names can and will no longer be written in....."And will be blotted out." I certainly believe there are those who are digging in areas they don't need to be digging into. Some are attempting to find a workaround involving DNA that will allow them to access The Tree of Life without needing Jesus Christ. 

How far will God let them go before he brings The Tower down again? Too much knowledge for a sinful mankind places a mark upon them that seals their destiny.

I see the forum hasn't changed. Still full of copy and paste stuff that is most likely false info and fake news. The so-called right is as bad as the left. Very little discussion any more and that is why I rarely read any other threads on here beside this one. You are a very gifted man, Scarz, and I enjoy being inside your brain a little bit more than I should,lol.
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Why would I put in 12+ hours a day bringing information here?  What motivates me is the thought that not everyone has the time for it, so I do it for them.
It does nothing for me to post it.  I've already read it all.
I'm not here to mold anyone's thoughts.  But there is news beyond the MSM. 
It would be fantastic if someone actually took a source and shared it with someone else who doesn't yet understand what's happening in the world. So I take the extra, extra time to provide sources.

For every post I make I've read thru COUNTLESS other posts that contribute nothing OR substantiate what I post.
However I can't vet every piece of info out there.  Some are just the prevailing thoughts and concerns in the world and the reader has to decide for themselves what they think about it.

The good thing about open forums is YOU can post and discuss whatever you are interested in WITHOUT being insulting to others who are trying to get people ready for the near future in other ways.

@Dove.......I've got to admit it was part of my doing when I sent a PM to Michael a few days ago and expressed my concerns about the direction of the forum. I was going to post my thoughts in the forum for everybody to read but decide not to. I didn't want Researcher to think I was telling him how to run his forum. 

I see nothing wrong with all members giving their opinions, beliefs and thinking on subjects. I don't have to view things the same as someone else does and they certainly do not have to view it my way. 

I'm going to give my opinion on (WHAT I) really feel is true and I'm not saying it to tick you or anyone else off.

The main general discussion section of the forum has become a one sided political platform push. There is nothing wrong with some of it, but in my opinion it has swallowed up what was once the main general discussion section of the forum. I see nothing at all wrong with politics and conspiracy stuff but come on we don't need to be drowned in it.

Anybody can post on your thread anytime they want.

Anybody can start their own thread anytime they want.

You find that covid, vaccines,  flooding, wars being started again, the fight for our constitutional rights is all "POLITICS"?

I post economics, banking, science, weird science, coming Quantum science, I post how satan manipulates our reality from ancient time up to today, for Goodness sake.  

I don't have to talk about Moloch 3000 years ago as it's still happening today!  Would you like to
stop it from happening?  Or what?

I post sermons, scripture, uplifting words for the day.  I post cute and funny things, human stories.

And all you see is 'politics'? 

Most of David Flynn's work was based on math.  Today is no different if you read the science posts.
But it's much more sophisticated today due to super computers.
And it doesn't sound like you fully understand what's coming, on any front.

Everything that's happening today has a historical footing.  Mark Flynn found the French Revolution in numbers. Today, the French are rising up.  We will probably have to follow.

Have the vaccine police come to your door yet?  They've gone to some.  Should I say nothing?
Honest men are persecuted, and men who do evil are rewarded?  Say nothing?
They've got your DNA.  Say nothing?
Do you have children or grandchildren or nieces, nephews?  
What about your neighbors families? If we are God's Family then they are our Family.

You can believe it or not, but the writing is on the wall.  The culmination of history is now.   FREEDOM OR PERSECUTION. 
It's your choice to do something or do nothing.  We will give an account.

As much as 95%-97% of my sources are Christ followers. Possibly more. 

What saves us is an informed public.  BUT, have it your way.

What does the Bible say about 'the Watcher on the wall'?

Good to see you back again, Mike. I knew you'd shake this place up when you got your internet back up and running and you didn't disappoint. I posted something late last month before news of your being offline because of the bad storms y'all had. (thanks to Bordercollie for the info) It's on the previous page that you may or may not see so I'm re-posting it here again since in that post I called you out specifically for a listen - and hopefully an opinion.

Repost wrote:

 
I really found this podcast interesting It's quite exhaustive and detailed. It should be seeing how it's 3½ hours long. If you have the time download and listen to it, even if you must break it down into multiple smaller bite-size portions. Hang on to your ya-yas for a wild ride.

Michael371 - I predict that you'll absolutely love this one. It's much of the stuff we've discussed over the years, only on steroids.

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2020_11_26 A Land of Giants
 
November 26, 2020 Length: 3:27:20
 
There are giants in the Bible. Many Christians have tried to explain them away, ignore them, or treat them as mere metaphors. But the Orthodox Church takes giants seriously. Join Fr. Stephen De Young and Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick as they venture into the ancient Land of Giants and discuss why the Book of Joshua is probably not what you thought it was.
   
RIGHT click to download and save.

https://media.ancientfaith.com/lordofspirits/los_2020-11-26.mp3
 
 
https://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/lordofspirits/land_of_giants

Dove wrote:

And it doesn't sound like you fully understand what's coming, on any front.

I don't claim to fully understand anything. With your statement it implies that you however fully understand on any front what's coming. 

I'm not going to take up time and space to argue with you. I wrote what I have thought for a long time. It was my opinion and I will not back down from my opinion.

Thanks researcher. Lol, when is just stating facts "stirring things up?" Oh well, I guess I pissed some off but to be honest, I've had most all on the ignore list for while. The board gets cluttered and it makes it  easy to eliminate a lot of scrolling and saves me time scrapping off the crap. We were duped by stuff like this and I don"t care to read it on this board. I'll go to TD to read political crap and I rarely go there anymore. Enough about that

I still have not watched the video but I hope to do so today. The book of Genesis has always fascinated me. There is a lot more mystery in there than most people realize and those little nursery school stories that we all heard are not really close to what went on. A lot of teachers say that there were no "giants in those days" and that saga is just fiction handed down by the oral traditions. Thats crap because its easy to prove just by simple logic. If Moses wrote the Pentateuch and the giants were just a tale from the Talmud, the timing doesn't work. The Talmud was supposedly given to Moses by God but strangely Moses doesn't mention it in his writings and no historical reference is given until the Babylonian captivity. Moses wrote Genesis 6 long before any reference to the Talmud. Its simple, those who don't understand just make shit up.

The bible is chocked full of DNA references although its hidden. You can't explain something that you don't know exists or that you don't understand. It is my conviction that the life that controls our bodies, our essence and existence/whatever is the DNA of God. Simple fact is all living things have one thing in common. Plants,animals,birds, fish, humans all have a support system of DNA. There is no life without DNA and no life without God. King David makes reference to it in the Psalms. I need to watch the video before writing any more but the Genesis creation story is telling us a lot more than the modern church teaches.

My dog is telling me that its time to go to the garden and play ball. Researcher, the Humane Society replacement for Ninja may turn out to be the smartest animal that I have ever seen. She still has a lot of puppy in her but what she does just amazes my wife and I

ScaRZ wrote:

Dove wrote:

And it doesn't sound like you fully understand what's coming, on any front.

I don't claim to fully understand anything. With your statement it implies that you however fully understand on any front what's coming. 

I'm not going to take up time and space to argue with you. I wrote what I have thought for a long time. It was my opinion and I will not back down from my opinion.

Lol, Scarz, the ignore tab is a nice feature. Don't waste your time

I've been studying the last few days on the 70th week of Daniel. It's a very interesting topic that comes with it several different views. I'm going to post a starting point and then add to it as I have time. I will admit that I've never thought for any length of time that the "Already fulfilled" holds much weight at all.

 
Daniel 9:25........"Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times."


Daniel 9:26........"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."


Daniel 9:27........"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."




These are three of the popular views regarding the 70th week of Daniel.........."Already fulfilled,  Partially fulfilled,  Not yet fulfilled." 


Preterism teaches that every event normally associated with the end times as well as The Book of Revelation has already happened except the final judgment, it still is in the process of being fulfilled. Jesus Christ return to earth was only a spiritual return, not a physical one........"Already fulfilled".



Premillennial Christians today teach that the 70th Week of Daniel is still awaiting a full future........."Not yet fulfilled".

The prevalent view today (Premillennial Christians) teach that when Jesus Christ was “cut off” (crucified) that ended the 69th week and that we are in the midst of a gap in between the 69th and 70th weeks. 

(70 weeks........Each “week” being 7 years)

This is where the teaching of the 7 years of The Tribulation takes root......."The final 70th week."



There are some who believe Jesus Christ has already fulfilled at least the first half of Daniel’s 70th week........"Partially fulfilled". 

If I understand it correctly this view believes that three and one half years were fulfilled from the revealing of The Messiah (Jesus Christ) when John saw him coming ,  baptized Jesus Christ and his ministry began for three and one half years before he was "cut off"(crucified). The final three and one half years are yet to be fulfilled.

ScaRZ wrote:

This video is amazing and everybody needs to watch it. It got me thinking about what is down the road as knowledge continues to advance........"And what is done with that knowledge."

The Extraordinary 4-Dimensional Design of DNA - Dr. Robert Carter

One of the most interesting videos that I have ever watched. The incorporation of time into DNA? Wow! If this is actually true, then we have the eternal captured into the nucleus of every cell in our bodies. To go any deeper will get above my paygrade, but I find it interesting that God Himself is described as being a 4 D entity (length,depth,breath and HEIGHT with height likely meaning the other three having time brought in the mix. How could the translators translate something that they didn't even know existed?) and now this man is speaking of a possible 4th dimension to our DNA. No way to understand God but I do like to try to put together pieces of the puzzle

Damn, I spent too much time writing my cousin and telling her to mind her own business about the vaccine fraud. We are not taking it!!! We have lived like hermits for a quarter century without sickness except for a couple of cases of cancer and the "cure" that caused all of my health issues that I deal with today( except CAD)Note: I am not complaining but that is a fact.
I wonder why my family doctor AND THE CEO of Phizer have not taken the so-called vaccine? My doc will tell you the truth but the CEO will refer to his stock options

I still got Covid and stayed home taking care of Dad almost 24-7. 

I have a feeling everybody is going to come down with it before all is said and done. Some people will get very lucky and it will be lite on them. Others will get a moderate effect. But others will have a bad case of it and may not survive. 

I took the vaccine because all the doctors recommended I take the shots. I ask them questions and they gave me answers. I believe everybody has a right to judge for themselves what is best for them.

I don't attempt to push judgment off on others if they do or do not take the vaccine. This is where I get pissed off when politics sticks their nose in it.

michael371 wrote:

One of the most interesting videos that I have ever watched. The incorporation of time into DNA? Wow! If this is actually true, then we have the eternal captured into the nucleus of every cell in our bodies. To go any deeper will get above my paygrade, but I find it interesting that God Himself is described as being a 4 D entity (length,depth,breath and HEIGHT with height likely meaning the other three having time brought in the mix. How could the translators translate something that they didn't even know existed?) and now this man is speaking of a possible 4th dimension to our DNA. No way to understand God but I do like to try to put together pieces of the puzzle

I'm glad you took the time to watch it. It got me thinking about not only DNA but also the Universe. It and we all connect in the essence of Our Creator.

ScaRZ wrote:

There are some who believe Jesus Christ has already fulfilled at least the first half of Daniel’s 70th week........"Partially fulfilled". 

If I understand it correctly this view believes that three and one half years were fulfilled from the revealing of The Messiah (Jesus Christ) when John saw him coming ,  baptized Jesus Christ and his ministry began for three and one half years before he was "cut off"(crucified). The final three and one half years are yet to be fulfilled.

I'm going to add some more to this view of The 70th Week.



John 1 goes into detail about how he (John) would know for sure who The Messiah was by seeing the Spirit descending and remaining upon the person who was The Messiah. Jesus is anointed and is now revealed to Israel as Messiah in fulfillment of Daniel 9:25. This is what started the 70th week. 

John 1:32-33


And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.


And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.


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This really got me thinking about The Revealing of Jesus Christ (The Messiah) and also The Revealing of The Man of Sin, The Son of Perdition (The Antichrist). 

2 Thessalonians 2:3


Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;


If Jesus Christ had only 3.5 years after his revealing of his ministry then The Antichrist may follow in only having 3.5 years after his revealing.



The Book of Revelation does speak of 3.5 prophetic years repeatedly, which would  be half of Daniel’s 70th week. But on the other hand 7 years of Tribulation I can not find. I just do not see it anywhere written about in The Book of Revelation.

Where do you think the  "shortened to 5 months"  or no flesh would be saved"  fits in with that timeline?   It would seem that this could  explain some things. .

https://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=72521162861687

A Charles Lawson sermon that will not appear on shittube and when you listen you will understand why

bordercollie wrote:

Where do you think the  "shortened to 5 months"  or no flesh would be saved"  fits in with that timeline?   It would seem that this could  explain some things. .

There are several different views on this and without speculation added to it, I never find in scripture where it ever says the shortening of days spoken by Jesus Christ would be shortened to five months. These verses from Matthew and Mark are where Jesus was talking about the shortening of days.

Mark 13:19-20


For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.


And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.


Matthew 24:21-22


For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.


And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.



The five month period of time comes from the opening of the bottomless pit and the locust come out to torment those who do not have The Seal of God for a five month period of time. These are only given the ability to torment, not in any way are they given the ability to kill anyone. In this timeframe people are going to desire to die but they will not die. The locust don't even have the right to hurt the grass, trees or anything green upon the face of the earth. 

Revelation 9:4-6


And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.


And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.


And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.





Some teach this time is so terrible with killing and death with warfare, famine, and sickness that this is the reason The Great Tribulation must be shortened to five months or nobody would survive. This theory can never work into the five months of the locust......"And that is where they point to." Think about it, the five months of the locust are only for torment to those unsealed of God. Again people are going to desire to die and will not be able to die. 

This is the reason I can't believe in that direction of thinking at all.  The Great Tribulation being shortened to a five month period because what is written in Revelation 9:4-6......"Does not fit."

There's got to be another way.

Thank you. I couldn't see it adding up  so found it a bit confusing.  The way you put it makes sense of it.

I am working from memory which is always like treading a minefield, but if I remember correctly the 5 months are directly tied to a shortened 3 1/2 year period. Here is a good read:

https://biblestudyforlife.com/5th_trumpet_5th_vial.htm

The 5 month period has always appeared, at least to me, to be demonic entities released upon the earth to torment the unbelievers with a false, man-centered doctrine that brings a separation from the true gospel of Christ. You have to look to the OT to find a reference:

Deuteronomy 8:15 reminds the Hebrews that the Lord led them safely through the Negev, "the great and terrifying wilderness," that housed "fiery serpents and scorpions." Just as the Lord protected His people from scorpions during their journey to the Promised Land, so He will exempt His sealed believers from the sting of scorpions in the tribulation, when the fifth angel blows his trumpet. Allegedly, scorpions are still common in the Negev, and a mountainous region that touches Palestine is called Akrabbim from the Hebrew Akrib, meaning scorpion.

There is a very good chance that we have taken this passage of scripture wrong. Does this phrase implay "saved" to mean their lives were spared or they were saved from hell? Most prophecies have a dual meaning but I do think that Christ is referring to a literal event. You get into an awful lot of debate about whether this is Irael as a nation or Israel as a people(my choice) meaning endtime believers, but there is a real chance that its both. My mind is running frames of different possibilities as I type about how the 5 months could fit, and where. Does it mean a literal 150 days or 150 prophetic days? Judy, I have to say that I went back and did some reading and I have to say there I found this a lot more intriguing than I thought. There is a lot that can be construed out of this. I'm looking at the timeline in Matt. 24 and trying to compare the words to very time periods, and there is a good chance that Christ was comparing two events, one is AD 70 and the other is the obvious endtime event in the Tribulation period. To me, there is a contextual factor in play here, when combined with the Matt. 24 timeline,which would seem to indicate only an endtime event. This falls into the hands of the translators on how the language is being used to describe the event. As of right now, the only other reference to a 5 month period that I can find is when Elizabeth hid herself before giving birth to JtB.
 A lot can be said about the type/shadow possibility of JtB being the true message of the church being in seclusion before being born to announce the coming of Christ which would coincide with the torment of 5 months by the scorpion demons that many think are muslims. All pretty interesting stuff and not to be digested without a lot of chewing

I'm going to say it again......"The biggest most popular view today for the length of The Tribulation is a seven year period of time." I once had this view also but really studying The Bible I have come to doubt this is the case. I can find several verses of scripture that in detail mention 3.5 years but not seven. 

In all of Scripture we only read of 3.5 prophetic years in the eschaton just prior to the Second Coming of Christ. The “two witnesses” of Revelation 11:3 prophecy for only 3.5 years. During this time the “woman” flees into the wilderness and is fed for those 3.5 years per Revelation 12:6. John again reiterates in Revelation 13:5 that this persecution by the Beast will last for 3.5 years. Daniel calls it a “time of trouble” in Daniel 12:7 and is told by an angel that it lasts for 3.5 years. From the Abomination of Desolation until the end in 12:11 we again have about 3.5 years. Each and every time the prophetic texts only speak of 3.5 years, the time of Antichrist during which time the people of God suffer intense persecution by the Beast.

Scripture itself never speaks of a future seven-years of anything. It just doesn’t exist. But it does speak of 3.5 prophetic years repeatedly, which just so happens to be half of Daniel’s 70th week.

The prophetic years as mentioned 1260 days/42 mos. /time times and the dividing of time.

If anybody can find written in The Book of Revelation a first half and then a second half of tribulation that comes to a full sevens years let me know. I see nothing of the first 3.5 and then the last 3.5.


This is what I believe now, this is only my view. The tribulation has been going on a long time, we have been living in the end times a long time. All of us have been born into a world of tribulation, that's all we have ever known all our lives. But, and that's a big but. The Great Tribulation is still in the future as is The Day of The Lord. As of this very moment in time that I'm typing this post they have not begun.

The shortening of days has several different views and this below is one by Dr. Renald Showers. Notice how Mark's wording is a little different than Matthew's. This I believe is where a view can be seen differently. The words "Had and Hath" and "Should and Shall" can bring totally different thinking into a view.

Mark 13:19-20


For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.


And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.


Matthew 24:21-22


For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.


And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.



Dr. Renald Showers wrote:


Jesus was teaching that God in the past had already shortened the Great Tribulation. He did so in the sense that in the past He determined to cut it off at a specific time rather than let it continue indefinitely. In His omniscience, God knew that if the Great Tribulation were to continue indefinitely, all flesh would perish from the earth. To prevent that from happening, in the past God sovereignly set a specific time for the Great Tribulation to end.

One of the easiest ways to determine the true meaning of scripture is to consult the early church fathers. Those that canonized the bible and a guy by the name of Polycarp. Unfortunately, Polycarps existing writings only consist of one letter to the church at Philippi as the rest of his work has been lost. Polycarp studied directly under the Apostle John and was appointed by John to head the church at Smyrna. What seems like an insignificant person and event, Polycarp then taught a man named Irenaeus who was significant and his writings are what influenced early Christianity and the Church. They influenced me. Its obvious that Irenaeus and others in his time period would have a more direct knowledge of the Truth than we do, and sure as hell a much more deeper understanding of the scripture.

What I find incredible is how modernists twist the writings of these men to try to reflect their won twisted doctrine and fairy tales, and if you do a church genealogy of these men you should see that they had a direct connection to Christ, particularly Irenaeus due to his writings being intact and having been taught by Polycarp. It does not take long to see what Irenaeus believed about a rapture. He definitely taught one would take place, but when? Pre-tribulationists claim he taught a pre-tribulation rapture and other claim something else.

Clement of Rome taught a rapture but I was never able to figure out exactly when he was referring to as far as it actually taking place. It appears to me that they thought that it would occur in their near future.

Another area that gets buried is that the early church most definitely taught and believed the doctrines of grave, predestination,election and eternal security, Its sad to see some commentators that have not one ounce of understanding try to discredit this. If it were not so destructive, it would be comical. One of the most awesome treasures that are uncovered in  scripture is the sovereignty of God. People that claim or have been awarded titles of "bible scholars" in modern times are clueless to the fact that are promoting the "sovereignty of man". An example of this is the Southern Baptist Convention. It was formed in 1865 and split off over the issue of slavery. Its Confession of Faith stated unequivocally that that the Doctrines of Grace were the foundation of Christianity and the basis of their belief system. Then along comes Billy Sunday and then the abomination named Billy Graham teaching another gospel.

If the early church fathers taught one gospel and the modern church is teaching something else, who do you suppose would be closer to the truth?

That is true Michael and we can read what Paul had to say about how some who were following along with them had already began leaving them and going out teaching different doctrines. They were teaching a gospel about Jesus but it was a false gospel. This I believe is a great picture of the First Seal broken and the white horse rider of false Christianity galloping out into the world. The wolves in sheep clothing are moving in to lead people astray.


Another view on the shortening of days is one I posted back in the old thread. 

Revelation 8:12........"And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise."


Luke 21:25........"And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

There could be a literal shortening of the hours of a day when one third or 8 hours will be removed. The sun will rise quicker and set quicker so also as the night will begin quicker and end quicker......"A full day will no longer be 24 hours but only 16 hours."

This could be what Jesus Christ was referring to when he spoke of the shortening of the days.

Mark 13:20........"And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days."

I do not believe there is a single pastor,  teacher,  author or anyone else who has a complete and perfect understanding of scripture and that certainly includes me.  I do not and will never claim to have an understanding to the max on The Bible. But that will never keep me from continuing to search the scriptures. I believe the more we stay in the word there can be no defeat in study. 

Many believe in picking one prophecy scholar and follow their teachings. I do not believe this is good at all. The safest way I know to express my view is that......."I follow no man or woman."

A lot of people begin following a man or woman and don't study one ounce for themselves. This can cause a person to become so blind by what this man or woman teach that they would walk right off a cliff and have no idea the cliff was even there. Never relinquish the connection you receive between God and yourself by reading and studying scripture on your own.

Through the years of study at certain times I found myself totally changing a view that I thought was almost impossible for me to move off of. One day I believe with all my heart that The Full Mystery of God will be revealed.

I remember Dad and I talking when the USA first entered into the war in Afghanistan. We both agreed as soon as we pull out......."We never expected it to be 20 years".......The Taliban would control the country in very little time. If we could forecast that would be the case why would Biden not see the light. I can't see how anyone with a brain would not "Know" what the future held. 

This is The World we live in and the law of the jungle still rules. We who were born and live in the USA want to believe we are somehow standing outside the borders of The World, but that isn't the case at all. We are right in the very center of The World. It's time we open our eyes and view our footsteps. Stop blaming everybody else and look in the mirror.


I believe Babylon the Great is the complete system of The World both political and religious. This system  is the ultimate enemy of The True Gospel. This system is The World and it's counterfeit gospel penetrates into all nations.

The false gospel that has been consumed by the nations is The Love of The World and The Love of Things. It all comes down to The Lust of The Flesh, The Lust of The Eyes, and The Pride of Life.


1 John 2:15-17


Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.


For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.


And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.


James 4:4


You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

I've been in a conversation with a friend about the second beast (The False Prophet) as well as The Mark of The Beast. This has been one reason I haven't been around much, it's been using up most of my free time. The other reason is that I just don't see much interest here right now. Maybe through he and I talking on some subjects will bring into the picture something I can add here in the thread.

I like ( actually love )  this thread  and would deeply, deeply miss it  so please don't stop completely  Scars . I really need this calm and eye opening thoughts in my  life  .

bordercollie wrote:

I like ( actually love )  this thread  and would deeply, deeply miss it  so please don't stop completely  Scars . I really need this calm and eye opening thoughts in my  life  .

I'm not planning on stopping posting. There are times I just need to recharge myself. A friend got me involved in a discussion with himself and a few other people that I don't know very well, about The Beast, The False Prophet, The Dark Forces, Entities and of coarse The Adversary. 

There is one huge thing that I've learned over the many years that I've been involved in talking about Dark Forces........"They do not take kindly to the subject matter if there is truth within the dialog." They work hard at keeping people steered away from the correct path. There are many thorns on a beautiful rose plant. True believers and followers of Jesus Christ walk among thorns all their lives. Tribulations will come, the storms will blow but a strong foundation will protect when they arrive.

The army of darkness has crept in laying down layer after layer of fools gold.

The darkness didn't move in with a mighty bang. They crept in gently sliding up next to an eager audience producing a very precise but patient whitewashing message.

Remember there are two spirits at war......"The Spirit of God (The Holy Spirit, The Spirit of Christ, The Spirit of Truth) and The Spirit of Antichrist (An Instead Of, A Counterfeit)"

Thank you Scars. Well put. Those "thorns " are really after me lately.  I 'm having a hard time focusing with the  anger I feel towards an individual ( summer worker here on the farm)  that's gets satisfaction in making me look bad. (multiple long stories)   I'm trying to stay focused on the good things but it's scary how this "anger"  invades my thoughts. Definitely unnatural)    Today's post of yours has hit home once again and I will  pray harder for these attempted controlling thoughts to  "get behind me".

bordercollie wrote:

Thank you Scars. Well put. Those "thorns " are really after me lately.  I 'm having a hard time focusing with the  anger I feel towards an individual ( summer worker here on the farm)  that's gets satisfaction in making me look bad. (multiple long stories)   I'm trying to stay focused on the good things but it's scary how this "anger"  invades my thoughts. Definitely unnatural)    Today's post of yours has hit home once again and I will  pray harder for these attempted controlling thoughts to  "get behind me".

I'm glad you found the post as helping......"That makes me feel much better."

The last couple of weeks I have had a strong feeling that the dark forces are becoming deeply invested in time focusing on those who are depressed and in a very weak state of mind. They are always there but now it appears they are more focused in that area. 

As is written in scripture.......James 4:7........"Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."

The older that you get,Scarz, you'll find that you need more frequent re-charging. The feeling of being overwhelmed by events will occur at a rapid pace. Right now, I cannot believe what I am seeing even though I need it was coming. This is a supernatural happening because its obvious that people are possessed by a spirit of evil that prevents them from seeing the pending results of their actions. Those actions have to be coordinated by something or someone that has the ability to form and carry out a plan to take the roadblocks to that plan out of the way. Thats us folks. Thats a constitutional America that arms themselves with weapons and scripture. They don't hate the guns as much as they hate the scripture and they really hate the ones who believe the scripture more than they hate the scripture. Get ready, the persecution is about to be obvious and out in open, actually it has already started. The next move will be to tie Christians into being the "spreaders" of another "variant" of the virus because a whole lot of us will never take anything that re-writes dna. Depravity rules right now

Michael.......It's being steered to a point in time when the biggest majority will view the good guys as the bad guys and the bad guys as the good guys. That's when God will step in to protect the good from the bad. Without that taking place the good would become extinct.

Most people just don't see the spirit world for what it really is. There is a spiritual war going on all the time around us.


Daniel 10:12-14


Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.


But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.


Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.





Below is some very good comments on this passage from Ron Dart's booklet he wrote called (The Tracks of the Devil). You've got to go all the way back to The Tower of Babel when God separated the 70 nations of the earth and chose 70 Sons of God to rule over the nations. These 70 Sons of God did not and have not ruled the divided territories without corruption entering the picture......"These 70 Sons of God were corrupt of they became corrupt." Later God chose Abraham to begin a new nation....."God's nation" that would be the beginning to bring all nations back to God.


Ron Dart wrote:

Now the vision Daniel received in answer to his prolonged prayer is fascinating enough, but in the process of revealing the vision, the messenger of God dropped a small piece of tantalizing information. Most of us believe that God is all powerful, that all He has to do is say the word and all powers, human and demonic, fall down before Him. Yet here is an emissary of God who is held up for three weeks by someone called the 'Prince of Persia.' Who is this 'Prince of Persia' and how was he able to thwart an angel of the Almighty?


Consider the picture. Daniel fasts and prays to God. God hears him and immediately dispatches an answer. The problem is that Daniel is inside the kingdom of Persia, and God's messenger has to fight his way in! It is no small battle—it takes three weeks to make it. Think what this means. There was a spirit being, called the Prince of Persia, who was strong enough to stand off an angel of God for three weeks. In the end, it takes two to one odds to win, and the battle is still not over. Michael, another Prince of God, keeps the Prince of Persia busy while the angel comes to Daniel to deliver the message.


One would have thought that God could have whispered in Daniel's ear, or that the angel could simply have materialized in Daniel's room....What this story reveals to us, almost as an aside, is that there is a spiritual world alongside our world, invisible to us, but real, vibrant, alive and dangerous. We use the word infrastructure to describe the physical structure underlying our society—water pipes, sewers, utilities—things underground and invisible, but real and necessary, nonetheless. What comes as a shock is the fact that there is also a spiritual infrastructure—unseen, unsensed, invisible, but nonetheless real and powerful. Not only is there a spirit world co-existing with our own, but there are spiritual battles routinely fought around us, and the outcome is by no means automatic (p.3-4).

Matthew 7:13-14


Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:


Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


How do we find this gate, the entrance to this narrow way? ........"God draws us in the right direction." Many I believe are drawn but they don't walk the strait path to ever find the gate. Most will veer off coarse very quickly because of a desire for The World and The Things of The World.

There are few who are willing to actually walk this way, because so many of us are just like Lots wife who didn't just keep moving forward with her eyes and mind focused straight ahead but she looked back.

Here's something I found very interesting. Think of what's written in The Book of Revelation and it blows my mind to prophecies and how they may be fulfilled.

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In this visionary presentation Technology Pioneer, Industrialist and the first serious Independent Candidate for President of the United States for 2024, Mr. Joseph Firmage shares for the first time ever a sweeping and sensitive overview of his remarkable career. Mr. Firmage concludes with a stunning visual forecast of his vision of The New Renaissance ahead for Humanity.

That Joseph Firmage guy is an interesting fellow. Just imagine what could be done if the entrenched politicians and elites would just get out of the way and let forward thinking people innovate and create. I went and watched a few of his other videos after seeing the one that ScaRZ posted.

By the way, like Mr. Firmage, I also like the Carl Sagan Cosmos series too. I have the DVD box set and the vinyl record soundtrack of Cosmos. Imagine what the future could be like if forward thinking people like Carl Sagan and Mr. Firmage would just put God into the equation. For the late Carl Sagan, by his own admission, science was his god. I don't know what god Mr. Firmage serves. I sure hope it's the right one because he seems to be a remarkably brilliant man.

I was reading on the web site http://ha-historion.blogspot.com/2009/11/hows-nimrod-for-nice-jewish-name-how.html about the popularity of the name Nimrod a generation ago. The fact that Nimrod was an enemy of God was actually the reason for its popularity among some of the anti-religious in Israel.

Here below is a quote from the web site.

“Nimrod” has become a fairly common male name in present-day Israel. In the 1940s, bestowing it upon a newborn child was something of political statement. In the present generation, however, it is taken simply as a name like any other."

These are some of my thoughts and I'm not placing them in stone. I'm taking things out of the box from how most have placed them in the box. I think sometimes it's a good idea to unbox and view everything before anything is placed in the box.

With my studies recently on The Second Beast (False Prophet) it has some very interesting paths to follow. Something rang out to me thinking about the miracles he can perform in the authority of the First Beast. In 1 Kings 19:38, Elijah called down the fire of God on his offering, which provided evidence of his ministry. We read in Rev 13:13 that this Second Beast (False Prophet) also performs the wonder of making  "fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men." Through the miracles he is able to preform, he deceives those on earth.


Revelation 13:11......."And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."



This Second Beast had two horns like a lamb...."Think of him as a young lamb (Which appears to be gentle and harmless)." The False Prophet uses deceitful cunning ways without any force. He  "Causeth" means he does it over a period of time without forcing anything. People will fall for his deception and receive the mark of the beast through the miracles he can preform. I view it as most of mankind will become so deceived they will not question his authority. 

Through awestruck wonder and great knowledge he will be filled from the Tree of the "Knowledge of Good and Evil". I think it's very possible that he will be highly intelligent in science. His knowledge will uncover and reveal many secrets of genetics and it leads more and more to the exalting of man........"Not God."

One important thing to remember is that Horns can also have a spiritual meaning that are "Salvation and Immortality."

In areas of science humans will continue moving further and further away from believing God and reduce scripture to "Myths". Science can appear gentle, like a lamb with man's best interest at heart.

The False Prophet will also speak as a "Dragon". Anyone who challenges him and his influence on the laws of the system will hear the roar of a dragon coming from his mouth. He will have a talent for the right words at the right time to draw people towards him and his ideas. He will move mankind to come against those who oppose him.