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PostSubject: Re: The Bible,Ancient Text and The Spiritual World   The Bible,Ancient Text and The Spiritual World - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeMon Jan 04, 2021 4:23 am

I look forward to hearing this sermon from Charles Lawson. As soon as it is placed on youtube please post it in this thread Michael or Researcher.
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The part that I am talking about starts at around the 18 minute mark. People have been told so much crap that they believe everything but the truth. Literal Babylon HAS to be America. It is the only nation that fits. Spiritual Babylon has been at work for thousands of years and is seen most obviously in Catholicism as it is attempting to incorporate all paganistic belief systems under its wings. Most folks can't distinguish between a literal and a spiritual Babylon and wrongly assume it is the same thing.

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The world could use more like Charles Lawson. I love when someone points out all the elephants in the room. I like Pastor David Lankford for the same reason too. Both give the unvarnished truth like nobody’s business.

I'd like to see that Babylon transparency slide super-imposed over New York city someday like Lawson spoke about in the video. That would be awesome to see.


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We can look at the U.S.A. and I also can see Babylon in the fix because of a nation founded a long time ago to bring all under one tower of the nations of this The World. All the nationalities and cultures to blend together in one pot......"Stirring and mixing."

There is no doubt in my mind that Spiritual Babylon is The World........"It is none other than The Spirit of Antichrist."

Nimrod as a counterfeit of the first and the last (Jesus Christ) was I believe the first antichrist type and he will be the last as he takes center stage once again.

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Nimrod as a counterfeit of the first and the last (Jesus Christ) was I believe the first antichrist type and he will be the last as he takes center stage once again.

I see it that-a-way too, ScaRZ.

Keeping in mind that we found the tomb of Gilgamesh (another of many names for Nimrod) the following verses are speaking to me. Nimrod, the first = Nimrod, the eighth! Now I could be wrong but at the moment that's how I see things possibly playing out. We have DNA - send in the clones!


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10) There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time.
 
11) The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.


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You know the story of the Museum in Iraq, the soldiers made beeline to the basement. Tom Horn was given access to photos, and then poof, all access was denied. Something was ferreted out of there, and pronto. We will probably never know

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The tower is in NYC

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Nimrod as a counterfeit of the first and the last (Jesus Christ) was I believe the first antichrist type and he will be the last as he takes center stage once again.

I see it that-a-way too, ScaRZ.

Keeping in mind that we found the tomb of Gilgamesh (another of many names for Nimrod) the following verses are speaking to me. Nimrod, the first = Nimrod, the eighth! Now I could be wrong but at the moment that's how I see things possibly playing out. We have DNA - send in the clones!


NKJV – Rev17 wrote:
10) There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time.
 
11) The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.

I agree with your layout of scripture Researcher. It changed my mind one day several years ago when the verses that I had read many many times spoke to me and came alive.

I see him as it says in Revelation,"And they had a [King] over them." He once lived as one of the Seven Kings in the past,but will also be the Eighth King. He was alive in the past,he died as a man in the past,and he will one day live again to be that Eighth King.

I believe once the Antichrist comes in the picture he has already lived in the past and has now been brought back to live again.

His fatal wound of death has now been healed and he now lives as the Eighth King.

The Antichrist is that evil seed that will oppose the good seed......."Our Lord Jesus Christ."

It makes sense that if Jesus is the Good Shepherd, that the antichrist would be called a foolish or perverse shepherd. 

Jesus Christ  is The Good Shepherd while The Antichrist is The Idol Shepherd (a counterfeit or worthless shepherd). The second coming of Jesus Christ will occur as a door is opened in Heaven,while the second coming of The Antichrist will occur as The Bottomless Pit is opened.

Jesus Christ is the One “which is, and which was,  and which is to come, the Almighty,” (Revelation 1:eight).  

The Antichrist is the one who “was, and is not; and shall ascend  out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition” (Revelation 17:eight).

We are suppose to be one in The LORD not one with mankind outside of The LORD. 

Mankind coming together as one outside of The LORD is antichrist in nature. This is an (instead of) world system,this is Babylon. 

The tower can be seen as an attempt being equal with God........."Genesis 11:4........"And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth."

By spreading the people outward into the earth at Babel God was able to prevent man from gaining more knowledge too quickly. The workforce split into small nations instead of one massive unit. Those with great minds separated from one another.

With every great mind on earth together in accord and of one language,plus a massive workforce nothing would be restrained from them accomplishing without divine power stepping in to prevent it. When I say nothing I mean "Nothing". I know it can be hard to believe but that is the case by what scripture teaches.

In ancient Babylon were born the false beliefs that have spread like a cancer into I believe every religion. I'm not going to beat around the bush......" False Christanity is full of them."

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Revelation 17:eight........"they that dwell on the earth shall wonder"(They will be astonished,marvel,be amazed.)

Nimrod carried with him many,many names as ancient cultures spread out upon the earth. If I conquered a World Empire I would be it's King,no matter where I was born.

During the time that John wrote the Book of Revelation, (Five of the Seven Kings had already died), (One was ruling and alive when John was writing the Book of Revelation),and (One King was yet to rule sometime in the future).

I believe a great clue was given that he "Was" (Once was) is speaking to John at that time in history. So if this king "Was" that means he had to be one of the first five not the sixth king that was alive and ruling in John's time and certainly not the seventh that would rule sometime in the future.

Revelation 17:10-11


And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.


And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.


The first five had already died......."five have fallen"............(That Was)

The sixth would be alive and in power......."one is"..............(Is Not)....Is Not #Eight)

The seventh was on in the future......."the other is not yet come"....(Number Seven Had Not Taken Power In The Day John Wrote This)

The Eighth would be one of the first seven Kings.........(I Believe The Clue Is Very Good In One Being Of The First Five Kings)

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I see I have much to catch up on. I’m pretty disgusted with politics now so need to change my focus. I’ve always been interested in these topics but never had much time. I’m retired now so maybe I can look into these things more. I may not comment much as I will be reading and checking out the vids posted here.


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I see I have much to catch up on. I’m pretty disgusted with politics now so need to change my focus. I’ve always been interested in these topics but never had much time. I’m retired now so maybe I can look into these things more. I may not comment much as I will be reading and checking out the vids posted here.

I think we're all disgusted with politics. I know that I'm sick to the gills with all of it. But I follow it all closely as do others here. We are, I also believe, living in some of the most prophetic times as spoken of in the Bible. I believe that all the politics ad-nauseum need to be tracked and watched closely as much of it factors in to the final days. That goes not only for the clown show we are watching in the USofA but for the entire world as well.

Glad to see you around the forum again archangel888 - welcome back.


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Thank you researcher. I’ve popped in from time to time to keep logging in regularly. I follow the politics very closely. I was convinced Kim Clement was right. Trump would serve 2 terms. He was right about the first one. This time? Who knows? I do believe we’re in it, the time most talked about in Scripture. It makes sense for the US to topple in order to pave the way toward the events of prophecy. I don’t like it, but here we are it seems. What is astounding is how many believers are buying into all the deception.  How easily they accept and conform and trust the media for their news. Sheesh!  Well, here we go! In the meantime, will check out the wealth of material here.


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Great to see you arcangel888. 

Got to admit we are living in some very strange times. 

Have we ever wondered how much is invented by the media?



This quote from Apocalypse Now makes me think of our government instead of The War in Vietnam.

The war was being run by a bunch of four star clowns who were gonna end up giving the whole circus away.

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That’s more true than we’d like to think. I think things are going to happen soon, that will change everything. I always thought that things would happen in my lifetime, but now that they actually might be..... I find myself astonished and a little alarmed and excited all at the same time. We shall see. Gotta stay focused and anchored in the Lord. 


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I find myself astonished and a little alarmed and excited all at the same time. UP

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It does appear that  "the writing is on the wall " .  I 'm feeling the same "  uh wow " as ya'll .  
  Today, I was out working on the  cattle farm  (fencing ) and I thought back to  "as in the days of Noah" . My cold  hands kept working though, knowing that my heart and soul belonged to our Lord in Heaven. I was at peace and actually given a shot of strength and clear thought so that I could finish my work in the cold temperatures . 
  I have read some quotes lately that made me think "doo what ?"  ! But will wait a bit to say what I sensed.. It was a quote of the pres.    ....That will be for later though..
  Be strong in the faith of our Father in Heaven , In Jesus name I pray for a hedge of protection for all true believers  and the knowledge we need  in order  to not be deceived. In Jesus name I ask this . Amen

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Why does sin still dog me?

Through my life I have ask myself this question many times and the answer is very simple and to the point.

“Because we are at war with our own nature”. 


There are no grounds to feel inferior to anyone else........"We all have a human nature and war with it."

We must learn to subdue and work tirelessly to push our nature down throughtout our lives. Each battle that comes against us can be won by  making room for the Spirit of God to indwell and guide us. 


Five words that bring the full picture into view.

"Believe it and become it."

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I was reading in Enoch 2 and I'm going to post a few verses that were very interesting to me. I'm not going to take it as gospel truth,I'm just reading and gathering info on the story line of Enoch 2.

The Grigori or Watchers are said to look like a man, but much taller, larger and silent. In 2 Enoch we can see in Chapter 7 that heaven two is the prison for the fallen Watchers.

In verse 1 of Chapter 7 we see how DARK the Angels appear to Enoch. Also verse 5 of Chapter 18 and we see their prison is"UNDER EARTH". This I believe is the underworld.

2 Enoch Chapter 7


1And those men took me and led me up on to the second heaven, and showed me darkness, greater than earthly darkness, and there I saw prisoners hanging, watched, awaiting the great and boundless judgment, and these angels were dark-looking, more than earthly darkness, and incessantly making weeping through all hours.


2And I said to the men who were with me: Wherefore are these incessantly tortured? They answered me: These are God’s apostates, who obeyed not God’s commands, but took counsel with their own will, and turned away with their prince, who also is fastened on the fifth heaven.


3And I felt great pity for them, and they saluted me, and said to me: Man of God, pray for us to the Lord; and I answered to them: Who am I, a mortal man, that I should pray for angels? Who knows whither I go, or what will befall me? Or who will pray for me?


2 Enoch Chapter 18


1The men took me on to the fifth heaven and placed me, and there I saw many and countless soldiers, called Grigori [Watchers], of human appearance, and their size was greater than that of great giants and their faces withered, and the silence of their mouths perpetual, and their was no service on the fifth heaven, and I said to the men who were with me:


2Wherefore are these very withered and their faces melancholy, and their mouths silent, and wherefore is there no service on this heaven?


3And they said to me: These are the Grigori [Watchers], who with their prince Satanail rejected the Lord of light, and after them are those who are held in great darkness on the second heaven, and three of them went down on to earth from the Lord’s throne, to the place Ermon, and broke through their vows on the shoulder of the hill Ermon and saw the daughters of men how good they are, and took to themselves wives, and befouled the earth with their deeds, who in all times of their age made lawlessness and mixing, and giants are born and marvellous big men and great enmity.


4And therefore God judged them with great judgment, and they weep for their brethren and they will be punished on the Lord’s great day.


5And I said to the Grigori [Watchers]: I saw your brethren and their works, and their great torments, and I prayed for them, but the Lord has condemned them to be under earth till the existing heaven and earth shall end for ever.


6And I said: Wherefore do you wait, brethren, and do not serve before the Lord’s face, and have not put your services before the Lord’s face, lest you anger your Lord utterly?


7And they listened to my admonition, and spoke to the four ranks in heaven, and lo! As I stood with those two men four trumpets trumpeted together with great voice, and the Grigori [Watchers] broke into song with one voice, and their voice went up before the Lord pitifully and affectingly.


No Fallen Angel's or evil spirits,unclean spirits,demons,devils want to be imprisoned in the Abyss. They can't stand the thought of being sent to that horrible place. They will only be free from their prison when the Angel who is given the key, unlocks the Bottomless Pit [Abyss].

In Enoch 2 when Satanail {Satan} was throw out of the upper heaven or heavens he fastened [To make fast or secure,To become attached, fixed, or joined] on the fifth heaven. This sounds to me like he was cast out of the upper heavens [ten,nine,eight,seven, and six].

Once Enoch reached the seventh heaven he could see far off God sitting on his throne on the tenth heaven. Enoch was trembling with great terror and fear at what he was seeing. All the heavenly troops standing on the ten steps according to their rank that lead upward to the throne of God [Aravat,or Father of Creation].


2 Enoch Chapter 20


1And those two men lifted me up thence on to the seventh heaven, and I saw there a very great light, and fiery troops of great archangels, incorporeal forces, and dominions, orders and governments, cherubim and seraphim, thrones and many-eyed ones, nine regiments, the Ioanit stations of light, and I became afraid, and began to tremble with great terror, and those men took me, and led me after them, and said to me:


2Have courage, Enoch, do not fear, and showed me the Lord from afar, sitting on His very high throne. For what is there on the tenth heaven, since the Lord dwells there?


3On the tenth heaven is God, in the Hebrew tongue he is called Aravat.


4And all the heavenly troops would come and stand on the ten steps according to their rank, and would bow down to the Lord, and would again go to their places in joy and felicity, singing songs in the boundless light with small and tender voices, gloriously serving him.


The one thousand years of Satan's imprisonment in the Bottomless Pit [Abyss] has not come to this point. This will occur after the Great Tribulation when Christ defeats Satan,the Antichrist and the armies of the world who fought Christ at his return. Christ and his armies of heaven will face off against the armies of this world [Man,Satan,The Antichrist,Fallen Angels,Evil Spirits,Devils,Demons,Unclean Spirits,Hybrids].

I believe Satan when he is finally cast to the earth will lose his ability to enter the heavens. He will be here and remain on earth with all his forces, this indeed will be hell on earth. Satan and his armies will be defeated, then he will be chained in the Bottomless Pit [Abyss] and will remain there for one thousand years as Christ sets up his Kingdom and one thousand years of peace will take place.


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Yes that will be hell on earth!  I always thought there were 7 heavens. There are 10? The 3rd is space, yes? The others? Outside of space? Different dimensions? I believe there maybe 12 dimensions. Not sure. This is fascinating stuff. Is there a thread or any info on David Flynn’s Fortress of Anu work? I can’t find anything on it. Apologies for going off topic. There wasn’t anything when I searched. Thanks.


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Yes that will be hell on earth!  I always thought there were 7 heavens. There are 10? The 3rd is space, yes? The others? Outside of space? Different dimensions? I believe there maybe 12 dimensions. Not sure. This is fascinating stuff. Is there a thread or any info on David Flynn’s Fortress of Anu work? I can’t find anything on it. Apologies for going off topic. There wasn’t anything when I searched. Thanks.


https://www.mediafire.com/file/oqkarh6vxd08vau/Searching_for_Fortress_of_Anu_%2528Low%2529.mp4/file

I downloaded and save it from U-tube back in 2014. It's gone from the internet now if you try to find it with a search. I uploaded my saved U-tube copy in 2019 and the link above will take you to it. Hope you enjoy it. I posted it on the forum back then and didn't get one single reply on it.

I enjoy it every time I watch it.


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The Variant supposedly discovered in South Africa....

MORE BULLSHIT

Message to the unvaccinated.
We are no danger to the public.
We are a huge danger to the narrative.

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The only mention of one of the heavens in the Bible other than just the heavens is in 2 Corinthians. Paul here mentions the third heaven which he says is Paradise. This also fits perfectly with what Enoch says about the third heaven in 2 Enoch being Paradise. But in 2 Enoch on the Northern side of the third heaven is what he describes as a very terrible place with cruel darkness and unillumined gloom.

Enoch says that Paradise is between corruptibility and incorruptibility. Paradise on the third heaven is prepared for the righteous and for them it's a place for eternal inheritance. The Northern side is prepared for those who dishonor God and it's their eternal inheritance.


2 Cor 12:2-4


I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the THIRD HEAVEN.


And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)


How that he was caught up into PARADISE, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.



2 Enoch Chapter 8


1And those men took me thence, and led me up on to the THIRD HEAVEN, and placed me there; and I looked downwards, and saw the produce of these places, such as has never been known for goodness.


2And I saw all the sweet-flowering trees and beheld their fruits, which were sweet-smelling, and all the foods borne by them bubbling with fragrant exhalation.


3And in the midst of the TREES THAT OF LIFE, in that place whereon the Lord rests, when he goes up into PARADISE; and this tree is of ineffable goodness and fragrance, and adorned more than every existing thing; and on all sides it is in form gold-looking and vermilion and fire-like and covers all, and it has produce from all fruits.


4Its root is in the garden at the earth’s end.


5And PARADISE is between corruptibility and incorruptibility.


6And two springs come out which send forth honey and milk, and their springs send forth oil and wine, and they separate into four parts, and go round with quiet course, and go down into the PARADISE OF EDEN, between corruptibility and incorruptibility.




2 Enoch Chapter 10


1And those two men led me up on to the Northern side, and showed me there a very terrible place, and there were all manner of tortures in that place: cruel darkness and unillumined gloom, and there is no light there, but murky fire constantly flaming aloft, and there is a fiery river coming forth, and that whole place is everywhere fire, and everywhere there is frost and ice, thirst and shivering, while the bonds are very cruel, and the angels fearful and merciless, bearing angry weapons, merciless torture, and I said:


2Woe, woe, how very terrible is this place.

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Thanks researcher. I’ll watch it and will probably comment. I could say something now but not sure this is the place. Maybe a PM. More of a question on it. Thanks Jack lol. ScaRz. I read your reply. I should review Enoch again. It’s been a while. I wonder what Paul (I assume it was Paul) saw and heard when he went to the 3rd Heaven?  I wonder if we will ever know....


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Researcher, it doesn’t seem to work on my tablet. I’ll try on my laptop in a bit.


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Christ told us exactly what to look for at his coming. Anything other than this and it will be a deception. The real deal will come but none of us can put a rush on it. Don't ever give up on Christ return and don't ever give in to something that doesn't fulfill to the letter. Christ coming will be a very public event as lightning covers the sky from east to west and everybody will see this event. No local storm is brewing here people,this will be a world wide event.

If anyone or anything tells us Christ has already come,we should without doubt know it's a lie. The whole earth will know for sure when that day is a reality,it will not be a secret event. 

We can talk about all manor of events of prophecy but without knowledge of this prophecy there will only remain deception. 


Luke 17:22-24


And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye [shall not see it].


And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: [go not after them], [nor follow them].


For as the [lightning, that lighteneth] out of the one [part] under heaven, shineth unto the other [part] under heaven; [so shall also the Son of man be in his day].




Matthew 24:23-27


Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; [believe it not].


For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall [shew great signs and wonders]; insomuch that, [if it were possible], they [shall deceive the very elect].


Behold, [I have told you before].


Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; [go not forth]: behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; [believe it not].


For as the [lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be].



When the Lightning meets from east to west and Christ is coming in a cloud don't look back or turn back, running to hide in the rocks and dens. We are to look up and lift up our heads because our redemption is drawing near. We are never suppose to turn and look away from the Light,but look toward the Light. 

Will many people love the darkness more than the Light?


Luke 21:27-28


And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.


And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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Thanks researcher. I’ll watch it and will probably comment. I could say something now but not sure this is the place. Maybe a PM. More of a question on it. Thanks Jack lol. ScaRz. I read your reply. I should review Enoch again. It’s been a while. I wonder what Paul (I assume it was Paul) saw and heard when he went to the 3rd Heaven?  I wonder if we will ever know....

Feel free to post if you wish.

I just enjoy reading some of the old ancient text like Enoch 2......"I try and see if some things fit with The Bible." I certainly don't write it in stone. I'm just not afraid to research in areas others may shy away from.
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I consider Enoch 1 to be scripture, but that is the only one. It fits the canon, Enoch 2 does not
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Me too. Have always been interested in other texts. Jasher, Jubilees, in addition to Enoch. Not all are Scripture. I like to read them for information....historical, cultural, anything that would give me a better understanding of ancient times. Much can be learned and some of it is helpful in understanding the Bible. Caution and discernment are needed for some material. There are many titles in sacred-texts.org but some should be avoided. 


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Plato’s description of Atlantis

“For it is related in our records how once upon a time your State stayed the course of a mighty host, which, starting from a distant point in the Atlantic ocean, was insolently advancing to attack the whole of Europe, and Asia to boot. For the ocean there was at that time navigable; for in front of the mouth which you Greeks call, as you say, 'the pillars of Heracles,' there lay an island which was larger than Libya and Asia together; and it was possible for the travelers of that time to cross from it to the other islands, and from the islands to the whole of the continent over against them which encompasses that veritable ocean. For all that we have here, lying within the mouth of which we speak, is evidently a haven having a narrow entrance; but that yonder is a real ocean, and the land surrounding it may most rightly be called, in the fullest and truest sense, a continent. Now in this island of Atlantis there existed a confederation of kings, of great and marvelous power, which held sway over all the island, and over many other islands also and parts of the continent.”

According to Critias

But afterwards there occurred violent earthquakes and floods; and in a single day and night of misfortune all your warlike men in a body sank into the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea. For which reason the sea in those parts is impassable and impenetrable, because there is a shoal of mud in the way; and this was caused by the subsidence of the island.

Proclus wrote:

As for the whole of this account of the Atlanteans, some say that it is unadorned history, such as Crantor, the first commentator on Plato. Crantor also says that Plato's contemporaries used to criticize him jokingly for not being the inventor of his Republic but copying the institutions of the Egyptians. Plato took these critics seriously enough to assign to the Egyptians this story about the Athenians and Atlanteans, so as to make them say that the Athenians really once lived according to that system.

 "Timaeus" gives a description of the geography of Atlantis

That an island of such nature and size once existed is evident from what is said by certain authors who investigated the things around the outer sea. For according to them, there were seven islands in that sea in their time, sacred to Persephone, and also three others of enormous size, one of which was sacred to Hades, another to Ammon, and another one between them to Poseidon, the extent of which was a thousand stadia [200 km]; and the inhabitants of it—they add—preserved the remembrance from their ancestors of the immeasurably large island of Atlantis which had really existed there and which for many ages had reigned over all islands in the Atlantic sea and which itself had like-wise been sacred to Poseidon. Now these things Marcellus has written in his Aethiopica.




Some interesting points on the Ten Kings........." When I read it I could not help but flash my mind to the ten kings in Revelation who are given power by The Beast"

Revelation 17:12........"And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast."




Plato’s Atlantis


https://ascendingpassage.com/plato-atlantis-timaeus.htm


“He also begat and brought up five pairs of male children, dividing the island of Atlantis into ten portions: he gave to the first-born of the eldest pair his mother's dwelling and the surrounding allotment, which was the largest and best, and made him king over the rest; the others he made princes, and gave them rule over many men and a large territory.”


“There were also in the interior of the temple other images which had been dedicated by private individuals. And around the temple on the outside were placed statues of gold of all the ten kings and of their wives; and there were many other great offerings, both of kings and of private individuals, coming both from the city itself and the foreign cities over which they held sway. There was an altar, too, which in size and workmanship corresponded to the rest of the work, and there were palaces in like manner which answered to the greatness of the kingdom and the glory of the temple.”


"And of the inhabitants of the mountains and of the rest of the country there was also a vast multitude having leaders, to whom they were assigned according to their dwellings and villages. The leader was required to furnish for the war the sixth portion of a war-chariot, so as to make up a total of ten thousand chariots; also two horses and riders upon them, and a light chariot without a seat, accompanied by a fighting man on foot carrying a small shield, and having a charioteer mounted to guide the horses; also, he was bound to furnish two heavy-armed men, two archers, two slingers, three stone-shooters, and three javelin men, who were skirmishers, and four sailors to make up a complement of twelve hundred ships.”


“Such was the order of war in the royal city--that of the other nine governments was different in each of them, and would be wearisome to narrate. As to offices and honors, the following was the arrangement from the first: Each of the ten kings, in his own division and in his own city, had the absolute control of the citizens, and in many cases of the laws, punishing and slaying whomsoever he would.”


“There were many special laws which the several kings had inscribed about the temples, but the most important was the following: That they were not to take up arms against one another, and they were all to come to the rescue if anyone in any city attempted to over throw the royal house. Like their ancestors, they were to deliberate in common about war and other matters, giving the supremacy to the family of Atlas; and the king was not to have the power of life and death over any of his kinsmen, unless he had the assent of the majority of the ten kings.”


"Such was the vast power which the god settled in the lost island of Atlantis; and this he afterward directed against our land on the following pretext, as traditions tell: For many generations, as long as the divine nature lasted in them, they were obedient to the laws, and well-affectioned toward the gods, who were their kinsmen; for they possessed true and in every way great spirits, practicing gentleness and wisdom in the various chances of life, and in their intercourse with one another.”
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Here is my opinion of the 10 kings:
The Bible Predicts that in the last days, the world would be divided into 10 regions headed up by the Antichrist.  The Club of Rome in 1973 proposed that the new global order include dividing the world into 10 economic trading blocks.  Today, the European Commission includes a world map on their web site that shows 10 groups of nations, which would be designed to consolidate regional control.  The first map of a 10-region division was done by the Club of Rome in their 1973 report “Regionalized and Adaptive Model of the Global World System, and the EC map alters these divisions only slightly based upon changes over several decades of economic growth.  Today we are moving towards a new world order that will consist of 10 regions making up all the countries of the world.  It appears that the prophecies of the books of Daniel and Revelation are coming true in our time.  The revealing of the Antichrist as the world leader cannot be far off!
 
 
https://endtimestruth.com/the-great-reset/

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Here is my opinion of the 10 kings:
The Bible Predicts that in the last days, the world would be divided into 10 regions headed up by the Antichrist.  The Club of Rome in 1973 proposed that the new global order include dividing the world into 10 economic trading blocks.  Today, the European Commission includes a world map on their web site that shows 10 groups of nations, which would be designed to consolidate regional control.  The first map of a 10-region division was done by the Club of Rome in their 1973 report “Regionalized and Adaptive Model of the Global World System, and the EC map alters these divisions only slightly based upon changes over several decades of economic growth.  Today we are moving towards a new world order that will consist of 10 regions making up all the countries of the world.  It appears that the prophecies of the books of Daniel and Revelation are coming true in our time.  The revealing of the Antichrist as the world leader cannot be far off!
 
 
https://endtimestruth.com/the-great-reset/

That is how I have viewed it also Michael over the period of a few years.

I have wondered over the last few years if these ten kings are more than just human (Man)

I think Revelation 17 reads as if The Antichrist will not be the one to divide these land masses into 10 regions. These 10 Kings appear to be united and in full agreement with one another and will give all their authority and all their power of influence to The Antichrist.

We also know by reading Revelation 17 that these 10 beings are not Kings over these 10 regions "Until" The Antichrist gives them each one of the 10 regions as their Kingdom.

These 10 Kings as well as their Kingdoms and The Antichrist are the ones that make war with Jesus Christ as he returns to this earth.

The Antichrist is the Ultimate Ruler over these 10 Kings as all 10 lay all power at his feet. The Antichrist is to them The King of Kings and The Lord of Lords.

All of this is meant to be because as we read........Revelation 17:17...."For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled."
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I AM following this thread. I Haven’t commented. Just taking in info and going back to read Scripture. Most interesting.


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I believe that in every lie, there must be a small element of truth to make the lie believable.

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I believe that in every lie, there must be a small element of truth to make the lie believable.

Spot on, ScaRZ! Mary Poppins warned us . . . (substitute lies & poison for sugar)

"A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down!"


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The Variant supposedly discovered in South Africa....

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Message to the unvaccinated.
We are no danger to the public.
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"A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down!"

So true Researcher!!!!!!!!

The Adversary is a master at it.

All we need to do is look at False Christianity and the sugar and spice is like a drug that can blind a person to the overall truth.
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I don't believe Angels are Demons at all. This to me is a false teaching.

Good read below from Michael Heiser on this subject. I will only post some snipets,so be sure and click on the link to get the full article.


https://blog.logos.com/where-do-demons-come-from/


Where Do Demons Come From?


Everyone familiar with the Bible knows it talks about angels and demons. But most would be surprised to learn that there’s no verse in the Bible that explains where demons came from. Christians typically assume that demons are fallen angels, cast from heaven with Satan (the Devil) right before the temptation of Adam and Eve. But guess what? There’s no such story in the Bible. The only description of anything like that is in Revelation 12:9—but the occasion for that whole episode was the birth of the messiah (Rev 12:4-6), an event long after Adam and Eve. The idea of a primeval fall of angels actually comes from church tradition and the great English poet John Milton in his epic Paradise Lost.


So if the Bible doesn’t record an ancient expulsion from heaven by hordes of angels who then became known as demons, where do demons come from?


There’s actually a straightforward answer to that question, but it’s likely one you’ve never heard of: In ancient Jewish texts like the Dead Sea Scrolls, demons are the disembodied spirits of dead Nephilim giants who perished at the time of the great flood.


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While I referenced the Dead Sea Scrolls above, don’t be misled. This explanation for the origin of demons has secure links in the biblical text, they just aren’t obvious—to us anyway. To an ancient reader, someone who lived during the time of the Bible, this explanation would have been quite clear. For us to see what they saw, we need to go back to the Bible’s account of the great flood.


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When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose. Then the Lord said, ‘My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.’ The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown. (Gen 6:1-4, ESV)


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In the book of 1 Enoch the villainous sons of God of Genesis 6:1-4 are not only called angels—they are called Watchers. The link back to the Mesopotamian apkallu is transparent and unmistakable. 1 Enoch spells out how the Watchers and their offspring were the source of demons:




"In those days, when the children of man had multiplied, it happened that there were born unto them handsome and beautiful daughters. 2 And the angels, the children of heaven, saw them and desired them; and they said to one another, ‘Come, let us choose wives for ourselves from among the daughters of man and beget us children.’ 
. . . And they took wives unto themselves, and everyone (respectively) chose one woman for himself, and they began to go unto them. . . .

Then Michael, Surafel, and Gabriel observed carefully from the sky and they saw much blood being shed upon the earth, and all the oppression being wrought upon the earth. . . . As for the women, they gave birth to giants to the degree that the whole earth was filled with blood and oppression. And now behold, the Holy One will cry, and those who have died will bring their suit up to the gate of heaven. Their groaning has ascended (into heaven), but they could not get out from before the face of the oppression that is being wrought on earth. . . . And to Gabriel the Lord said, ‘Proceed against the bastards and the reprobates and against the children of adultery; and destroy the children of adultery and expel the children of the Watchers from among the people. And send them against one another (so that) they may be destroyed in the fight, for length of days have they not. . . .’

And when they and all their children have battled with each other, and when they have seen the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them for 70 generations underneath the rocks of the ground until the day of their judgment and of their consummation, until the eternal judgment is concluded. . . . But now the giants who are born from the (union of) the spirits and the flesh shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, because their dwelling shall be upon the earth and inside the earth. 9 Evil spirits have come out of their bodies. Because from the day that they were created from the holy ones they became the Watchers; their first origin is the spiritual foundation. They will become evil upon the earth and shall be called evil spirits.

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1 Enoch calls the giants “bastard spirits”—a phrase used of demons in several Dead Sea Scrolls. A non-biblical psalm found among the Dead Sea Scrolls calls demons “offspring of man and the seed of the holy ones,” a clear reference to the disembodied spirits of the divine-human offspring from Genesis 6:1-4.


Several threads of this explanation for demons surface in the New Testament, but I’ll mention only one. The excerpt from 1 Enoch notes that the Watchers whose transgression led to the origin of demons were to be bound “for 70 generations underneath the rocks of the ground.” This belief is found in 2 Peter 2:4-5, where Peter, speaking about the days of Noah says, “God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment.” Peter and the author of 1 Enoch were on the same wavelength—they both understood the original context for Genesis 6:1-4.

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This is true Scarz, but few preachers will speak about it. Its interesting that most all references to the Watchers/ nephillim/etc are excluded from the accepted canon

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This is true Scarz, but few preachers will speak about it. Its interesting that most all references to the Watchers/ nephillim/etc are excluded from the accepted canon

Yes!! Very few will even touch on it. Most preachers are taught a certain path to walk down in their schooling. In my opinion this is just what The Adversary is relying on. He doesn't want the truth to be revealed. 

It's a whole lot easier to believe fairy tales than it is the truth. Most people are too lazy to look into anything for themselves. These are the ones that are not awake......"But are sleeping." Most so called believers fell into this trap a very long time ago. They stopped "Growing" and the road for them became a dead end.
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Scarz, when you get time, maybe with your early morning coffee, watch this video. I have some points of contention with Hoggard concerning some of his doctrinal stances, his KJV ONLY stance and some minor things, but I don't question his research, and we actually support it financially. He is a preacher that does not back down and I am willing to bet that he will be one of the first to be taken down once the totalitarianism goes into effect. That is in the making as I type this. Pretty sure you and Researcher will like this video


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I concur. Demons are the disembodied spirits of the nephilim. They always need a host. They are also condemned to roam the earth. Angels, fallen and otherwise, can assume any form. They don’t require a host. 


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Scarz, when you get time, maybe with your early morning coffee, watch this video. I have some points of contention with Hoggard concerning some of his doctrinal stances, his KJV ONLY stance and some minor things, but I don't question his research, and we actually support it financially. He is a preacher that does not back down and I am willing to bet that he will be one of the first to be taken down once the totalitarianism goes into effect. That is in the making as I type this. Pretty sure you and Researcher will like this video


https://youtu.be/BJeLbWdEaiI


I will watch it as soon as I get some time this morning. I've listened and watched a great amount of Mike Hoggard work over the years.

I read mostly the KJV but a few of the other versions are good in my opinion. I'm with Michael Heiser that I think the ESV is very good. I'm not saying it's perfect but I like it.

The ESV is an "essentially literal" translation that seeks as far as possible to capture the precise wording of the original text and the personal style of each Bible writer. It seeks to be transparent to the original text, letting the reader see as directly as possible the structure and meaning of the original. 
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This from The Book of Noah stays on my mind all the time.



FRAGMENT OF THE BOOK OF NOAH 

(CVI-CVII.) 

CHAPTER CVI. 

15. Yea, there shall come a great destruction over the whole earth, and there shall be a deluge and a great destruction for one year. 16. And this son who has been born unto you shall be left on the earth, and his three children shall be saved with him: when all mankind that are on the earth shall die [he and his sons shall be saved]. 18. And now make known to thy son Lamech that he who has been born is in truth his son, and call his name Noah; for he shall be left to you, and he and his sons shall be saved from the destruction, which shall come upon the earth on account of all the sin and all the unrighteousness, which shall be consummated on the earth in his days. 19. And after that there shall be still more unrighteousness than that which was first consummated on the earth; for I know the mysteries of the holy ones; for He, the Lord, has showed me and informed me, and I have read (them) in the heavenly tablets.




Here it is revealed that God knew that the flood would not bring an end to unrighteousness but would open the door to more unrighteousness.  
  
The end-time Antichrist will be more terrifying than the first. I believe he will rise as the pit is opened triggering the release of The Watchers as well as many demons that have been held in that pit for a very long time. The truth is that The World will be more deceived than any other throughout man’s history.  


The last days will be like the days of Noah and we know from the words Of Jesus Christ even worse.  It will be like the days of Sodom and Gomorrah, only on a world wide scale. There will be no earthly pleasure that man will deny himself of. The vast majority of mankind has and will always heed the calling of the flesh over the calling of God. I hear the words of "Come out of her my people" all the time. 


The nature of man is very simple......."Give him an inch and he will take a mile."   


We may not be around when this day comes to a full bloom, but we are viewing the beginning of that day at this very time frame we are living in today.  


A one world system is on the verge of becoming a reality before our very eyes.

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I was dismayed by all of those referring to so-called "prophets" like Mark Taylor and Kim Clement. Christ was the last prophet but it was interesting to see the Clement stuff with the Trump presidency predictions, but it was maybe luck about Trump because there was an episode of the Simpsons that showed Trump as president that was shown many years ago. This stuff is just another way to cause people to lose confidence in "Christianity" of today. Its just another deception used by Satan and promoted by the spirit that guides Mystery Babylon:
Please notice that Jude did not say we are to listen to the prophets living in OUR day but rely on those in THEIR DAY. This means we have to avoid anyone who attempts to add or take away from what the scriptures have relayed to us.
Jude called them "godless men". And you can tell they are godless men when they deny Jesus Christ, i.e., they preach a false gospel--usually one of works, which betrays a lack of understanding of The Grace of God and thus a false Gospel.
The author of Hebrews also said the prophets of the Old Testament were no longer needed because now we have the words of the Son of God himself:
" In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.";(Heb 1;1-3)

Christ was the Last Prophet so there are No Prophets Today

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Notice it says "in the past" God spoke thru the prophets but NOW he speaks thru the Son and He does this through the Word in the Holy Bible. This should be enough to squelch this argument of any more of them being needed since Christ-- He was the last one that was to come that God promised to Moses (Deut 18:18).

Scarz, there is a supernatural element taking charge. The Hoggard video I posted got my attention that the restraining force of God is being removed and why we are seeing these evil reprobates coming to the forefront and gaining power by the minute. Dan 7:25....“And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.”Now, there are many who view this as the installing of popery and the hidden Mithraism in catholicism. Well maybe/maybe not because the Book of Daniel was sealed up until the time of the end and ,as Hoggard said, we may not understand Daniel like we think that we do.

 Its time like these that make me want to be wrong about the timing of the rapture. Christians are under attack with the endgame being to shut us down and silence us. Notice who is not under attack in the future

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Books Mentioned in the Bible, which were not included in the Bible


The Dead Sea Scrolls found in the caves of Qumran are of great interest in the venture of clarifying the history and doctrine in existence between biblical times and the fixing of canon. Many of the scrolls were penned in the second century B.C. and were in use at least until the destruction of the second temple in 70 A.D. Similar scrolls to those found in the eleven caves of Qumran were also found at the Masada stronghold which fell in 73 A.D. Fragments of every book of the Old Testament except Esther were found in the caves of Qumran, but so were many other books. Some of these books are considered to have been of equal importance and influence to the people of Qumran and to the writers and scholars of the time. Some of those studying the scrolls found in Qumran were the writers of the New Testament.

Knowing this, one might ask which of the dozens of non-canonical books most influenced the writers of the New Testament. It is possible to ascertain the existence of certain influences within the Bible context by using the Bible itself. The Bible can direct us to other works in three ways. The work can be mentioned by name, as is the Book of Jasher. The work can be quoted within the Bible text, as is the case with the Book of Enoch. The existence of the work can be alluded to, as is the case of the missing letter from the apostle Paul to the Corinthians.

In the case of those books named in the Bible, one can set a list as the titles are named. The list is lengthier than one might first suspect. Most of these works have not been found. Some have been unearthed but their authenticity is questioned. Others have been found and the link between scripture and scroll is generally accepted. Following is a list of books mentioned in the Holy Bible.
The Book of Jasher: There are two references to the book in the Old Testament:
2 Samuel 1:18 – Also he bade them teach the children of Judah the use of the bow: behold, it is written in the book of Jasher.
Joshua 10:13 - Is it not written in the Book of Jasher? And the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.

There are several books which have come to us entitled, “Book of Jasher.” One is an ethical treatise from the Middle Ages. It begins with a section on the Mystery of the Creation of the World: It is clearly unrelated to the Biblical Book of Jasher.
 
Another was published in 1829 supposedly translated by Flaccus Albinus Alcuinus. It opens with the Chapter 1 Verse 1 reading: "While it was the beginning, darkness overspread the face of nature." It is now considered a fake.
 
The third and most important is by Midrash, first translated into English in 1840. It opens with Chapter 1 Verse 1 reading: "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness, and God created man in his own image." A comparison of Joshua 10:13 with Jasher 88:63-64 and 2Sam. 1:18 with Jasher 56:9 makes it clear that this Book of Jasher at least follows close enough with the Bible to be the Book of Jasher mentioned in the Bible.
 
 
 
Other books mentioned by name in the Bible are:
 
1.     The Book of Wars of the Lord: "Therefore it is said in the Book of the Wars of the Lord." Num. 21:14

2.     The Annals of Jehu: "Now the rest of the acts of Jehoshaphat, first to last, behold, they are written in the annals of Jehu the son of Hanani, which is recorded in the Book of the Kings of Israel." 2 Chronicles 20:34

3.     The treatise of the Book of the Kings: "As to his sons and the many oracles against him and the rebuilding of the house of God, behold, they are written in the treatise of the Book of the Kings. Then Amaziah his son became king in his place." 2 Chronicles 24:27

4.     The Book of Records, Book of the Chronicles of Ahasuerus: "Now when the plot was investigated and found to be so, they were both hanged on a gallows; and it was written in the Book of the Chronicles in the king’s presence." ... "During that night the king could not sleep so he gave an order to bring the book of records, the chronicles, and they were read before the king." Esther 2:23; 6:1

5.     The Acts of Solomon: "Now the rest of the acts of Solomon and whatever he did, and his wisdom, are they not written in the book of the Acts of Solomon?" 1 Kings 11:41



6.     The Sayings of Hozai: "His prayer also and how God was entreated by him, and all his sin, his unfaithfulness, and the sites on which he built high places and erected the Asherim and the carved images, before he humbled himself, behold, they are written in the records of the Hozai." 2 Chronicles 33:19

7.     The Chronicles of David: "Joab the son of Zeruiah had begun to count them, but did not finish; and because of this, wrath came upon Israel, and the number was not included in the account of the Chronicles of King David." 1 Chronicles 27:24

8.     The Chronicles of Samuel, Nathan, Gad: "Now the acts of King David, from first to last, are written in the Chronicles of Samuel the seer, in the Chronicles of Nathan the prophet and in the Chronicles of Gad the seer." 1 Chronicles 29:29
9.     Samuel’s book: "Then Samuel told the people the ordinances of the kingdom, and wrote them in the book and placed it before the Lord." 1 Samuel 10:25

10.  The Records of Nathan the prophet: "Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, from first to last, are they not written in the Records of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer concerning Jeroboam the son of Nebat?" 2 Chronicles 9:29



11.  The Prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite: "Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, from first to last, are they not written in the Records of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer concerning Jeroboam the son of Nebat?" 2 Chronicles 9:29

12.  The Treatise of the Prophet Iddo: "Now the rest of the acts of Abijah, and his ways and his words are written in the treatise of the prophet Iddo." 2 Chronicles 13:22
The existence of a book can be inferred as well, this is clearly seen with several missing epistles.

Paul’s letter to the church at Laodicea: "When this letter is read among you, have it also read in the church of the Laodiceans; and you, for your part read my letter that is coming from Laodicea." Colossians 4:16 (Since three earlier manuscripts do not contain the words "at Ephesus" in Eph 1:1, some have speculated that the letter coming from Laodicea was in fact the letter of Ephesians. Apostolic fathers also debated this possibility.)

In Paul’s first letter to Corinth, he predated that letter by saying: "I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people" (1 Corinthians 5:9) (This could merely be a reference to the present letter of 1 Corinthians.)

Of all the books quoted, paraphrased, or referred to in the Bible, the Book of Enoch has influenced the writers of the Bible as few others have. Even more extensively than in the Old Testament, the writers of the New Testament were frequently influenced by other writings, including the Book of Enoch.

It is not the purpose of this work to make judgments as to the validity or worth of the Book of Enoch, but rather to simply put forth a meaningful question. Is not the non-canonical book that most influenced the thought and theology of the writers of the New Testament worth further research and contemplation?

Before we continue in our study of the Book of Enoch there are several questions we must keep in mind. If a book is mentioned or quoted in the Bible is it not worthy of further study? If it is worth investigating, is this the book of which the Bible speaks? What knowledge or insight does it add to our understanding of the Bible or the men who wrote it?

The Book of Enoch was once cherished by Jews and Christians alike. It is read in certain Coptic Christian Churches in Ethiopia. Two versions of the Book of Enoch exist today.

Most scholars date the First Book of Enoch to sometime during the second century B.C. We do not know what earlier oral tradition, if any, the book contains. Enoch was considered inspired and authentic by certain Jewish sects of the first century B.C. and remained popular for at least five hundred years. The earliest Ethiopian text was apparently derived from a Greek manuscript of the Book of Enoch, which itself was a copy of an earlier text. The original was apparently written in the Semitic language, now thought to be Aramaic.

The First Book of Enoch was discovered in the 18th century. It was assumed to have been penned after beginning of the Christian era. This theory was based upon the fact that it had quotes and paraphrases as well as concepts found in the New Testament. Thus, it was assumed that it was heavily influenced by writers such as Jude and Peter.

However, recent discoveries of copies of the book among the Dead Sea Scrolls found at Qumran prove the book was in existence long before the time of Jesus Christ. These scrolls force a closer look and reconsideration. It becomes obvious that the New Testament did not influence the Book of Enoch; on the contrary, the Book of Enoch influenced the New Testament. The date of the original writing upon which the second century B.C. Qumran copies were based is shrouded in obscurity. Likewise lost are the sources of the oral traditions that came to be the Book of Enoch.


It has been largely the opinion of historians that the book does not really contain the authentic words of the ancient Enoch, since he would have lived several thousand years earlier than the first known appearance of the book attributed to him. However, the first century Christians accepted the Book of Enoch as inspired, if not authentic. They relied on it to understand the origin and purpose of many things, from angels to wind, sun, and stars. In fact, many of the key concepts used by Jesus Christ himself seem directly connected to terms and ideas in the Book of Enoch.

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Michael Hoggard brought up something about "The Temple of God" that I've talked about on this forum before. I believe that people will allow their Temples (Bodies) which are The Temple of God to become corrupt by believing in their hearts and minds The Lie.

The Antichrist will in fact sit in their Temples which in my opinion is no different than The Seal of God placed on the hearts and minds of true believers. The Seal of Antichrist,The Seal of The Adversary is The Mark of The Beast. During the final days people will not be able to return to God if they receive The Mark of The Beast. I believe The Book of Revelation is very clear on this matter.

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Yeah, Michael Hoggard has done his homework concerning Mystery Babylon. BTW, I use the NASB now and the reason is that it has already done the looking up definitions concerning context. It is considered by "many" to be the most accurate version available. I have one program that has every single version of the bible. There is very little difference in the KJV and the NASB once you take a Strongs and fight through the Elizabethian language of the KJV. I like to compare versions and sometimes it hard recognize the same verse in various versions. My "go to" OT is the Septuagint. We know that it goes back to around 300 BC and has not changed and it matches the quotes in the NT down to the last jot and tittle. The Hebrew Masoretic text and the Greek Textus  Receptus do not match on the quotes, and in some instances don't appear to even be close. I suspect that is due to the difficulty of translation with the ancient Hebrew/Aramaic/Koine Greek into English. Lots of gray area in that area of history
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I also like the NASB and The Septuagint. There are really only four versions I have any interest in using..........KJV,ESV,NASB and The Septuagint.
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Everybody is looking for a new built temple to signal the soon revealing of the man of sin. I really wonder if the majority have it right? How can it be that easy for the blind "World" to see?

In my opinion the temple we need to be most worried about,is our house (temple,tent). Our bodies are the Temple of God and who or what sits in our temples that can,do,and will corrupt.

Who do, or who will we image?.......Who do,or who will we be imagers of?........"It all comes down to who or what sits in our temples."

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