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Subject: Re: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ' Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:39 am
2 Timothy 4 wrote:
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths [ESV]
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Subject: Re: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ' Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:51 am
researcher wrote:
2 Timothy 4 wrote:
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths [ESV]
And they are absurd myths. Anyone with an ounce of historical knowledge will know that this guy is full of malarky.
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Subject: Re: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ' Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:15 am
Another step toward the great deception.
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Subject: Re: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ' Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:36 pm
Researcher!!! Thanks so much for that!!!!
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Subject: Re: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ' Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:13 pm
I know Jesus Christ personally. Met him in August 1983. Can't prove to me He is not real.
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Subject: Re: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ' Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:47 pm
GROUNDZERO basically articulated 'it' as well as I've ever "heard" it. "Hello, I'm Mr. Alien" and I have 3D footage of 'your' history pertaining to Jesus Christ." At this point cue Hollywood and the perpetual "shatshow". Ironic that even the 'insiders' are "betraying" the left coast shite show at this point.
They've been laying the groundwork for years...............
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Subject: Re: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ' Fri Oct 11, 2013 12:20 am
"This is the first preparation for the plan for humanity, because what they want to do is to throw down, to shake up the beliefs of all Christians on the planet. And to do that they need some false proof, supposedly from the past, and from the far past that will "prove" to men and women that their religions are false." -Project Blue Beam step 1
.truinsight.com/BLUEBEAM PROJECT DISCLOSURE PART TWO.htm]http://www.truinsight.com/BLUEBEAM%20PROJECT%20DISCLOSURE%20PART%20TWO.htm[/url]
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Subject: Re: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ' Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:07 am
Cris Putnam weighs in:
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Gallio Inscription A sensational headline is making its way around the internet: Ancient Confession Found: ‘We Invented Jesus Christ.’ Accordingly, I have received quite a few messages about this new “Covert Messiah” claim by conspiracy theorist Joseph Atwill. This is actually old hat from Atwill who authored the book Ceasar’s Messiah back in 2005. The overall thesis is that the Roman Emperor Titus conspired to invent a new religion that would pacify the population rendering them easy to govern. As Atwill spins his yarn, Titus enlisted the help of Flavius Josephus who left various clues in his works that Atwill has ever so shrewdly decoded for us less perceptive readers. Of course, this raises lots of obvious questions about why the Roman’s were feeding Christian to the lions and banishing them from Rome as recorded by Suetonius. But more fundamentally, it seems that Atwill misunderstands Jesus:
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When the Romans had exhausted conventional means of quashing rebellion, they switched to psychological warfare. They surmised that the way to stop the spread of zealous Jewish missionary activity was to create a competing belief system. That’s when the ‘peaceful’ Messiah story was invented. Instead of inspiring warfare, this Messiah urged turn-the-other-cheek pacifism and encouraged Jews to ‘give onto Caesar’ and pay their taxes to Rome.[1]
The fact that the Roman’s were the ones that crucified Jesus seems to escape Atwill. A superficial reading of the Gospels might seem to support his conspiracy theory but Jesus was fundamentally hostile to the pagan world system. He was not, and is not, a pacifist. Speaking of Jesus, the book of Revelation strongly controverts the claim:
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“From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.”([url=http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Re 19.15]Re 19:15[/url])
This passage from the Gospel of Matthew below hardly fits the profile that Atwill attempts to shoehorn Jesus into:
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“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person’s enemies will be those of his own household. Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.”([url=http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Mt 10.34%E2%80%9337]Mt 10:34–37[/url])
Jesus asked for unqualified allegiance, something even the most venerated rabbi did not claim. The central point of the teaching above is that love of God and his kingdom must take precedence over every other human relationship including the Roman Empire. This is why the early Christians were willing to lay down their lives rather than worship Caesar as a god. This is why Paul was martyred (interestingly before Atwill’s theory has even been launched) and that fact brings up the most egregious fallacy in the theory: he assumes Jesus was “created” post AD 70. Archeologists have dated many of Paul’s letters long before AD 70. 1 Corinthians is a prime example containing data that solidly dates to around AD 55. He wrote it from Ephesus during his third missionary journey. Paul was nearing the end of his stay and making plans to leave ([url=http://biblia.com/bible/esv/1 Cor. 16.5%E2%80%938]1 Cor. 16:5–8[/url]). We can be certain of the date because Paul appeared before the Roman governor Gallio in Achaia in [url=http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Acts 18.12%E2%80%9317]Acts 18:12–17[/url], and his appearance, probably in AD 51, provides a firm date for determining the chronology of his ministry. A statue with an inscription preserves the fact the Gallio served in the region from AD 51-53 a detail consistent with Paul’s writings. This undesigned coincidence demonstrates the authenticity of Paul’s letter to the Corinthians which amongst other things, discusses Jesus resurrection from the dead, the central truth claim of the Gospel.
This inscription places Paul in front of procounsul Gallio between AD 51-53. For this reason, even the most critical scholars date 1 Corinthians to AD 55. [url=http://biblia.com/bible/esv/1 Corinthians 15.3-7]1 Corinthians 15:3-7[/url] contains the account of the resurrection a full eighteen years before Atwill’s conspiracy theory was said to be launched. This video explains an early creed that falsifies the Ceasar’s Messiah hypothesis:
This latest “discovery” appears to be an attempt to revive the largely discredited and dismissed conspiracy theory. Atwill’s new evidence is to be revealed October 19th. I expect that historians and scholars will shred it in a matter of days.
[1] “Ancient Confession Found: ‘We Invented Jesus Christ’” http://uk.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11201273.htm
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