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There are only two kinds of people, saved believing in Jesus Christ who died and was raised on the 3 day and those who do not believe this. Our ethnicity means nothing. Israel is a state created by the UN satanic worshiping one world people who do not believe in Christ Jesus . So As 1 John 2;21-22 states they are anti-Christ . So no I do not support them , only the people there I want to share the Gospel with them .

http://www.faithfulwordbaptist.org/072714a.mp3

I can understand why you both say as you have.  But somewhere on this earth are the descendants of a people that God made a Covenant with.  Yes, the people failed utterly, but God is True to HisWord.  So these descendants have an inheritance, and it's the land of Israel.  And a Promise that He will yet redeem them.

This will probably be too much of a stretch for you, but I saw an old movie the other night about the Rothschilds, that showed them as we think, funding both sides.  But it also showed them under heavy persecution; how the Illuminati bankers bankrupt Mayer, basically killing him;  and how he taught his sons to trust no one but each other.  And that the sons' decision to back England rather than Napoleon was to ensure the freedom of Europe.  But there were conditions on the loan to England  that the restrictions against the Jews be lifted in the liberated countries.  At that time (according to the movie), Jews weren't allowed to have a trade, to have any means of supporting their families. They were subject to curfews in every aspect of daily living.  They were stoned, bullied, roughed up, looted, houses burned, etc.

The movie was well-done, it did generate sympathy.  But, isn't it true that satan has pursued"God's chosen" all through history with the one goal of extermination?  That the world would regard the Jew as the enemy, the source and cause of everything wrong in the world  It's what he's always done.
What if? this Rothschild disdain is from more of satan's lies.  Satan's motto: "Blame the Jew".  Interesting, I think.

As far as the Palestinians, I think they are hapless pawns.  But they did supposedly
actually elect Hamas into power.  They chose murderers to govern over them. Considering what happens to the human psyche when it is arbitrarily subjected to life threatening attacks over a long period of time, there comes a time when you either die from it or strike back. 
Knowing how easily people are manipulated, especially en masse, I think Israel's restraint through the years has been amazing.

Dove wrote:

I can understand why you both say as you have.  But somewhere on this earth are the descendants of a people that God made a Covenant with.  Yes, the people failed utterly, but God is True to HisWord.  So these descendants have an inheritance, and it's the land of Israel.  And a Promise that He will yet redeem them.

Well said, Dove. Yes, God knows to the man, woman, and child, who the decedents of the Hebrew people are. But let's not forget that we believers in Yeshua and the gospel have been adopted and are now counted as part of the family. The Hebrew is the olive tree root, we are the grafted in wild olive branches, and soon the original Hebrew branches will be grafted back in as well when Israel acknowledges Yeshua as messiah. We all, original and adopted, share in the covenant together. This is not replacement theology, it is inclusion theology. It is outlined in Romans chapters 9, 10, & 11, three inconvenient chapters that get glossed over by most churches if they even get a mention at all. We'll serve Him as kings and priests in a new, probably much MUCH larger Israel.

Ahhhh, and then there's always the New Jerusalem to think about.

If you believe that Yeshua is messiah and you are totally sold out to Him as your only hope of redemption, you are adopted and included. And aren't you glad of that! I know I am.

No, no.  I think it's horrible, of course.  The Arab nations have ample room for the Palestinians,  but instead they force them to stay there and contend with Israel over Israeli land.  And the Palestinians seem fine with that.

I do believe Hamas used the Palestinians as human shields.  And the number of rockets landing in Israel from Palestinian territory day after day, year after year is absurd.  To my reading, Israel has tried everything possible, and warned and warned  to avoid it coming to this latest bloody battle.

It has always been a 'no win' situation for Israel.  Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
They dropped fliers, made broadcasts warning the Palestinian citizens ahead of time to evacuate the upcoming bomb sites.  It was Hamas who would not let them flee to safety, who set up weapons depots and artillery launch sites in schools and hospitals. It's a microcosm view of what's coming.  If Israel doesn't fight back, they're done for. There is no peace with Islam, and there's no reasoning with them.  They're hell dogs.
Peace as the Arabs mean it only comes when the Jews are exterminated and the rest of the world submits to their rule-satan's rule. 

War is hideous.  But it's coming.  This was just a skirmish in comparison.  The Peace Process is a sham, a blatant lie.  And Netanyahu knows it, I think.
What do you do?  Sacrifice your own country's children when you know everything that's being
done is by design to wipe your nation off the face of the earth, kill every last Jew,  till Israel exists no more?  
Remember, Israel is not the aggressor.  They are defending their nation and their children.
There's only one who has the Solution: Jesus. Pray He comes quickly!

Israel and Hamas may currently be locked in deadly combat, but, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years.

Israel "aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies.

Israel's support for Hamas "was a direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative," said a former senior CIA official.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10456.htm

Sound familiar? AlCIAda, ISIS

I can see that.  Kind of sounds like Obama building up ISIS to get to Assad. When dealing with the Arabs, it always seems to get out of hand.

Dove wrote:

What if? this Rothschild disdain is from more of satan's lies.  Satan's motto: "Blame the Jew".

What if? Rothschild's are Edomites?
Edom = Red, Rothschild = Red Shield.
Remember when Yeshua turned over the tables of the money-changers? Edomites, same scam as today. Those who say they are Jews but are not. What if?

Jesus is the Christ , the Messiah . He came , and those who do not acknowledge Him as Messiah , are waiting for another, the anti-christ. The whole of the Bible is about Jesus Christ. He stated that( in the volume of the Book it is written of me). Jesus also said to the "religious" Jews that had they believed Moses ( the first 5 books of the Bible he wrote under inspiration of the Holy Spirit) they would have believed in Him. God does not have any two class system. Jesus is not Hindu with a cast system. No man cometh unto the Father but by Him. So we must go out and share the Gospel with them, the people who practice 'Judism' and all who practice anything other than , believing in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ for our sins.

Let me be clear...any perceived war crimes are purely PROPAGANDA. Israel has gone out of their way at every turn to spare the lives of innocent people. You cannot say the same thing about the terrorists.

Is Israel perfect? No. But the USA is guilty of FAR WORSE in the terms of war crimes and killing innocent people than Israel. God bless Israel!

Amen, Dr. Rita.   Are the Rothschild's the sons of Esau? I don't know.
But we know Jesus said not one of His will be lost.  If His church can't reach them, He'll do it Himself, and He is.  That's wonderful.

What stuck me more than anything about the movie is it was another example of how what we believe, and then act on, is so manipulated by what the world presents to us as truth.  The lesson in it probably wasn't whether the Rothschilds are good or bad, but how mankind is constantly led around by the deceiver.
What truth is there in the 'father of lies'?  Look to the Kingdom, live from the Kingdom, the Holy Spirit of God with us.

What I was trying to say without saying is that there seems to be different factions of Jews. The Zionists and the Torah-keepers. The way the land was settled, the way everything was/is being handled has been a perfect recipe for disaster (maybe deliberately).

Palestinians and Jews lived peacefully together before the creation of the state of Israel. Now they do not. It’s telling that the Torah-keepers are against what is taking place. They put their faith in God, not a militarized state and I think that’s appropriate.

Prophecy says that the country will be over-run again. That could only mean that God is not pleased with what has been going on. He will reserve a remnant which I suspect will be the Torah-lovers. Jesus is the Word, the Torah is the Word of God. They may not know him as Yeshua yet but soon, in God’s timing, they will.

The Zionists appear to have ties to the bankers and City of London. From what I understand, they are Cabalists and Sabbatians who also infiltrated and rose to the top of Islam, Catholism, and Masonry.

Everything’s not always what it seems.
http://www.henrymakow.com/the_satanic_cult_that_rules_th.html

Barry Chamish talks about this also and has some recordings over at the Byte Show if you're interested.

Lovisa wrote:

Everything’s not always what it seems.

…..or just another way to say, "deception."

Y'all can get to those Barry Chamish mp3 audios at the link below. I think I'll listen to a few of 'em myself too. I listen to quite a bit over at The Byte Show, Peter Levenda, Greg Coleson and Joseph Farrell being some of my favorites to hear.

http://www.thebyteshow.com/BarryChamish.html

num6:22 ¶And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
23 Speak unto Aaron and unto his sons, saying, On this wise ye shall bless the children of Israel, saying unto them,
24 The Lord bless thee, and keep thee:
25 The Lord make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:
26 The Lord lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.
27 And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.

deut26:15 Look down from thy holy habitation, from heaven, and bless thy people Israel, and the land which thou hast given us, as thou swarest unto our fathers, a land that floweth with milk and honey.

ps115:12 The Lord hath been mindful of us: he will bless us; he will bless the house of Israel; he will bless the house of Aaron.
13 He will bless them that fear the Lord, both small and great.


gen12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

rom11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 


rom11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee...

enough yet???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeGYAfh9A1k

Pat, from the video, is no lover of religion, so his is not a religious bias.  But he sure can tell it.
I was going to import pictures of the Nazi, the Russian camps, but they really are too terrible for words.
But if I was one of them, and the world decided they would provide a place of 'peace and safety' for me, I would go if I had the strength to get there.
What the U.N. did with the Palestinians is on their heads.

This controversy goes all the way back to Isaac and Ishmael. There are no easy answers but God did decide on the matter for us. People think that just Abraham was chosen, but actually Sarah was also chosen.

Dove wrote:

This will probably be too much of a stretch for you, but I saw an old movie the other night about the Rothschilds, that showed them as we think, funding both sides.  But it also showed them under heavy persecution; how the Illuminati bankers bankrupt Mayer, basically killing him;  and how he taught his sons to trust no one but each other.  And that the sons' decision to back England rather than Napoleon was to ensure the freedom of Europe.  But there were conditions on the loan to England  that the restrictions against the Jews be lifted in the liberated countries.  At that time (according to the movie), Jews weren't allowed to have a trade, to have any means of supporting their families. They were subject to curfews in every aspect of daily living.  They were stoned, bullied, roughed up, looted, houses burned, etc.

The movie was well-done, it did generate sympathy.  But, isn't it true that satan has pursued"God's chosen" all through history with the one goal of extermination?  That the world would regard the Jew as the enemy, the source and cause of everything wrong in the world  It's what he's always done.
What if? this Rothschild disdain is from more of satan's lies.  Satan's motto: "Blame the Jew".  Interesting, I think.

Dove, is the movie below the one that you watched? This is the 1934 American movie. The Nazis made a propaganda movie by the same name in 1940.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_House_of_Rothschild  (American)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rothschilds_%28film%29  (German)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqCTvW5URfY

Yes!  That's it.  Is the Nazi version in your links?  I'll have to look.
No, I see it's not.  But in the link we find it stated that the Nazi film
was pure propaganda to fuel the fires of antisemitism. 
Interesting, isn't it?

Let's not forget that prior to the Balfour declaration, the land of Israel was a waste. A few nomads lived there and the land was bought and paid for. Paid too much for and the sellers thought they had made a great deal. Fast forward to today and what was wasteland and swamp is now prime land. Of course the Muslims want it. They want everyplace. They want to rule it all. 

The Palestinians have no leg to stand on saying the land was stolen. And Father said he would regather them(Israel) and he has.  Idk about the big families and they're puppetry. I support the land of Israel because it belongs to the Father first and his will is being done there. The only thing that might stop the Palestinians is to run out the Jews and give them the whole thing, they don't want a part, they want it all and it just is not going to happen that way.

Here's the 1940 Nazi version, Dove. Warning - anti-Semitic content ahead!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeLMq87WokM

Thanks Researcher.  I'll watch it in a bit.  We encounter so many levels of deception, manipulation.

Turning a blind eye to injustice is never the right thing to do. Just because we’re God’s people doesn’t make us special. He expects all of us to follow his statutes. And if our brother has fallen in his walk, then our duty would be to admonish him and urge him to turn around. This does not make us against him but we hold him to a higher standard. Other than that, it’s in God’s hands.

Isaiah 30:7 For the Egyptians shall help in vain, and to no purpose: therefore have I cried concerning this, Their strength is to sit still.

8-13 Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever: That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD: Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits: Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us. Wherefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel, Because ye despise this word, and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon: Therefore this iniquity shall be to you as a breach ready to fall, swelling out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly at an instant ...

archangel888 wrote:

Found this article. Thoughts?
http://ifamericansknew.org/about_us/evchristians.html

Alison Weir, from Berkeley, wrote that article published in "Counterpunch'.  And she and her cronies do have an agenda and it's not pro-Israel.  At the end Israel will stand alone, God said.

But I think what your asking is, do we find Israel's response excessive, or is everything justified 'just because' it's Israel.  Yes.  I found it excessive.
Like the pot boiled over and blew it's top.

But I also understand it.  It's 'how to deal with bullies, 101":  If you're done taking the beating and you're going to fight back, make sure you hit him hard enough that he'll think twice before messing with you again.
That is not aggression.  It's aggressive defense.  Big difference.
And the response wasn't just for hamas, but for all their enemies surrounding and threatening them, which may explain why it was so 'explosive'.
Hamas did launch some 3000 rockets from their positions, but the Iron Dome prevented the destruction they were meant to cause.

Walid Shoebat was a "Palestinian".  Here's an excerpt from his study on the history
of the land through modern times:
http://www.imninalu.net/myths-pals.htm
"Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?”
“We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians - they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag”.
“When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out”.

Dove, I think what that tells us is that there’s an unseen hand moving the pieces around, intent on provoking strife, leading up to WWIII to be used for their own ends. Ultimately, God will use this for his glory but in the meantime, we should exercise caution since we’re all being played.

As in the Republican-Democrat game, we fight each other but in the end they’re both controlled by the same. It’s more difficult to explain away Israel’s atrocities against their own people, and perhaps more telling. This gives me pause as to who exactly is in control there.

We love them. We know that God has a plan for them and for the land - but so does the devil. Personally, I just want to make sure that I’m not inadvertently supporting the wrong side. So I keep my blinders off, watch, and wait.

I agree, Lovisa.  We're all working diligently at 'eyes wide open'. Certainly Israel has a violent past of aggression at God's Command, if we believe the Bible. (kill every last man, woman, child, livestock, and bury or burn every possession.)  Cruel?  Their existence on earth is what keeps the Presence of God from the earth; it is the manifestation of the curse and the cause of all man's suffering.
We think we understand better now, whether the enemies were of actual dna corrupted 'serpent seed',  or if it was purely spiritual corruption of worship and sacrifice to false gods,  IDK.  I don't think forming an opinion over that would change my understanding.

So the real enemy, those who seek to destroy Israel and possess the land that God said is HIS,  is Islam and other 'religions' of the world that continue to serve the false gods of Antiquity, whom I think we suspect are the fallen angels or their offspring, the nephilim.  And those who think to be gods unto themselves and reject Yahweh. Regardless, it's of satan.
satan IS presently the ruler of this world.  Of course you'll find him there in Israel.
That doesn't mean they are satanists. Netanyahu is fiercely dedicated to his people, his nation and the God of His People.

Then there's the other big problem, as you know.  Most rejected the New Covenant in Christ. For a morning, when He rode into Jerusalem, they celebrated Him as King, as the long awaited liberator of His people.  The second they realized it was not to be, they turned on Him, as He did not meet their expectations and teachings about the Messiah.  Apparently the Priests and Rabbis didn't teach from Isaiah much.  Kind of like many of our churches today regarding most of Scripture. 

So, in Israel today, all factions are present, including atheists, luciferians, Christians, Muslims, beliefs of every sort.
But we've heard that Netanyahu holds weekly Bible study in his home.  He meets with Christian pastors who are well versed in prophecy.
Finally! Shimon Perez is gone, and the new President, Reuven Rivlin, does not support dividing up the land.    If they can hold on while God prepares the hearts of His People, it would be good for Israel and for the world.

Dove quoted Wallid as saying on June 4, 1967, that's when Palestinians became a nation.

June 4 is day #155 when added to the year 1967 you get 2122. This is the 2122nd verse in the bible.

http://www.biblewheel.com//GR/GR_Database.php?SearchBy_VerseNumber=2122

Exo 22:8

Neat.  We haven't used the Bible Wheel in a long time.

I don't feel sorry for any palistinians except for the poor women and children that the Palistinian men put in harms way by hiding their weapons in schools and firing rockets from homes with children etc.. Bunch of cowardly murderers that want nothing but the death of the Jew and nothing more.   I have No sympathy no matter how much crying they do. If they were really serious about peace, they would have it because Israel has offered them what they want in the past and they wouldn't accept it. Screw them. But I do pray for them.

We'd be remiss not to look at the pagan roots of "Palestine" as Mark has delineated here:
http://www.markaflynn.com/meaning/   in the article titled "The Meaning of Palestine".

Since the Barry Chamish name has come up multiple times in this thread I thought I'd let y'all know that he recorded a new interview with GeorgeAnn Hughes on The Byte Show yesterday (04 October 2014).  I just downloaded it but haven't listened yet so content is as yet unknown, but from the title it looks to be interesting.

Disclaimer: I do not always agree with the views of The Byte Show and/or of GeorgeAnn Hughes. Just thought I'd get that out of the way.

Barry Chamish :: Truth About Israel :: 51½ minutes long.

DOWNLOAD:  http://www.thebyteshow.com/Audio/BarryChamish/BarryChamish_TruthAboutIsrael_4Oct2014_TBS.mp3

http://www.thebyteshow.com/Guests.html