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Subject: Re: Show Trial - Not Guilty (for now) Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:03 pm
Ya think?
Unprecedented: Judge Interrogates Zimmerman: “I Have Never Seen That In More Than 30 Years of Court Reporting”
A casual observer could rightfully argue that the fix against George Zimmerman has been in since the very beginning. From NBC doctoring the 9-1-1 phone call to make it appear his actions were racially motivated and mainstream reports identifying him as a “white Hispanic”, to the President of the United States weighing in on the debate by suggesting if he “had a son he’d look like Trayvon,” Zimmerman had been convicted by millions before he had even been charged. As government prosecutors and Zimmerman’s defense team argued their case before the American public this week, the evidence strongly supported Zimmerman’s claims of self defense on the night of February 26, 2012. So much so that prosecutors attempted to introduce new charges such as “child abuse” mid-trial because it became clear that the jury would be hard-pressed to convict Zimmerman of murder. Now, only a day before the jury is to convene for deliberations that will determine the fate of George Zimmerman, an unprecedented incident occurred in the court room, leaving one veteran legal analyst who was present to tweet that she has “never seen that in more than 30 years of court reporting.”
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Speculation is raging that the judge in the George Zimmerman case could have been put under pressure by the Obama administration after she staged a bizarre outburst during which she interrogated Zimmerman while repeatedly silencing his lawyers. …
The hostile exchange began when Judge Debra Nelson asked Zimmerman if he planned to testify.
Essentially, Judge Nelson told Zimmerman he had the “absolute right to remain silent” but then proceeded to demand he answer her questions interrogation-style while silencing his lawyers.
Defense attorney Don West twice objected to Nelson’s interrogation, prompting the judge to raised her voice and exclaim, “Your objection is overruled!” in a manner more befitting of an angry parent lecturing a child than a legal professional.
Both of Zimmerman’s lawyers appeared shocked as attorney Mark O’Mara asked under his breath, “what is going on?”
Several legal experts and observers said the outburst was unprecedented.
Via Alex Jones and Paul Joseph Watson of Infowars.com
In the video below, Judge Nelson clearly targets Zimmerman in a manner unfit for an American court of law. As noted by Jones and Watson, the exchange undermines Zimmerman’s, “right to remain silent” and makes it “appear as though he and his attorneys are not firm in their convictions.” And the jury saw all of it, suggesting that the fix really is in, and that the justice system is pulling out all the stops to ensure a conviction. Watch the heated exchange as Judge Nelson confronts George Zimmerman in an unprecedented display of improper procedure during a MURDER trial that left his attorneys bewildered and without recourse.
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Infowars Continues:
Former Senatorial candidate Richard Rivette also expressed his shock at the judge’s behavior.
“This judge is an idiot. I spent five years investigating high profile capital cases defending people from the death penalty, and worked for the Federal judiciary as an independent investigator on other cases. No judge ever inquires as to whether a defendant will testify until the entire defense case is presented. If the defense rests and does not call the defendant then the judge knows there will be no testimony. If the defense calls the defendant then that’s when the judge finds out. They have to get through the entire case first. To see if it is valid after prosecution cross-examines their witnesses and experts as to whether a defendant SHOULD testify, which is decided in private not in public, and NOT on the record. By doing this, the judge has undermined a portion of Zimmerman’s credibility. He looks like he is waffling and this is normal judge/defendant questioning, which it is NOT,” said Rivette.
Respondents to the story at the National Review Online also expressed their view that Zimmerman was being railroaded.
“A fix is in from the administration to find Zimmerman guilty regardless of what it takes,” commented one.
It is apparent that Debra Nelson is not an impartial judge presiding over this case, but that she harbors her own position on what the outcome should be, or worse yet, that she has been “gotten to” by outside forces who are attempting to frame an innocent man (until proven guilty) of murder. The motivations are unclear. What is clear is that evidence has been suppressed in this trial and given this latest legal travesty, it’s evident that George Zimmerman has a huge bulls eye on his back. Should George Zimmerman be found innocent of the charges brought against him, there is a strong possibility of riots such as those we saw in 1992 after four police officers were acquitted of wrong doing in the Rodney King trial. After thousands of social network exchanges that claim riots will result should Zimmerman be found innocent, perhaps officials fear that the situation would quickly devolve into widespread civil unrest, and maybe convicting Zimmerman, regardless of his innocence, is a small price to pay for such an outcome.
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Subject: Re: Show Trial - Not Guilty (for now) Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:07 pm
Wow, this stuff is crazy eh?
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Subject: Re: Show Trial - Not Guilty (for now) Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:00 pm
First time they've EVER had the conference in Orlando, which hosts either the most or highest attendance wise not sure but they advertise themselves numero uno. I think vegas does as well so there's something to it detail wise.
"We will join with others across the country to protect rights most sacred in our democracy. As one nation, we shall not be moved.” The gathering also occurs before a backdrop of significant civil rights anniversaries, including the 50th Anniversary of the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom, the 50th Anniversary of the assassination of Medgar Evers, and the 150th Anniversary of the Emancipation Proclamation, milestones that will color the Orlando proceedings."
Don't get me wrong, this could just be one HUGE coincidence but the 15 or so men that were walking down I drive in identical tee shirts with "Trayvon" depicted on it at 2 this afternoon were not a coincidence.
" Bernhard Goetz on George Zimmerman: ‘The Same Thing Is Happening’ by Harry Siegel, Filipa Ioannou Jul 12, 2013 4:45 AM EDT
Thirty years after the shooting that divided New York, the ‘subway vigilante,’ Al Sharpton & Curtis Sliwa talk to Harry Siegel and Filipa Ioannou about the Trayvon Martin case. "
The judge is a lifelong democrat which doesn't say too terribly much, but like some of the articles linked above as well as on infowars the last two or three days of the trial she's acted in a manner that's somewhat unprecedented.
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Subject: Re: Show Trial - Not Guilty (for now) Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:40 pm
Programming Element:
I don't watch this nonsense & doubt anyone else here does either but this came over. Big Brother is an all seeing eye of horus cbs 'reality show'.. Community Organizers are known to 'organize' convenient coincidences and; in general, stir up trouble.
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Subject: Re: Show Trial - Not Guilty (for now) Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:35 pm
"But, even if he is acquitted, George Zimmerman may face federal charges. Because in America–while we think you can’t be charged for the same crime twice–there really is double jeopardy, in the form of federal charges. And if you think Barack Obama–who said if he had a son, he would look like Trayvon Martin–hasn’t instructed his Justice Department to consider it, think again. The other day, reader David Makowsky asked me about this and whether I thought that Eric Holder would go after Zimmerman on federal charges. It’s certainly possible. They could go after him for the nebulous, baloney “crime” of “violating Trayvon Martin’s civil rights.” There is a lot of unfortunate precedent for this. "
Subject: Re: Show Trial - Not Guilty (for now) Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:38 am
I watched some of the trial. I actually caught the part when the judge asked Zim if he would testify. It was very different. She got upset when It became clear to her that Mr. Zim was not focused on her but listening to his lawyers. Still... it was out of the ordinary. Felt like rebuking satan when she did it.
btw... I do not think the jurors were present when she questioned him. That would have given him the chance to have his case dismissed for Judge misconduct (or whatever the legal jargon is).
The defense lawyers (post not-guilty verdict) did mention potential civil suits. They were already prepaired for them if and when they come.
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Subject: Re: Show Trial - Not Guilty (for now) Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:38 pm
quietobserver wrote:
"But, even if he is acquitted, George Zimmerman may face federal charges. Because in America–while we think you can’t be charged for the same crime twice–there really is double jeopardy, in the form of federal charges. And if you think Barack Obama–who said if he had a son, he would look like Trayvon Martin–hasn’t instructed his Justice Department to consider it, think again. The other day, reader David Makowsky asked me about this and whether I thought that Eric Holder would go after Zimmerman on federal charges. It’s certainly possible. They could go after him for the nebulous, baloney “crime” of “violating Trayvon Martin’s civil rights.” There is a lot of unfortunate precedent for this. "
Don't discount it, she's a well-respected writer who knows her stuff.
Same for anybody in the Military, first you get court Marshal, then civilian world can charge and convict also...so potentially 3 convictions for the same crime...whatever.
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Subject: Re: Show Trial - Not Guilty (for now) Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:30 am
U.S. law considers the federal and state governments to be two separate "sovereigns" and that is why someone can be tried twice (once by the feds and once by the state) and it's not considered to be double jeopardy. Now where it gets bad is when we have all of these federal "crimes" that are really none of the federal government's business. The individual states were intended to have general police powers over health, safety, welfare, and morals. The federal government was supposed to have very limited jurisdiction over a handful of crimes such as treason, piracy, and counterfeiting.
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Subject: Re: Show Trial - Not Guilty (for now) Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:56 am
An example of 'media' and how far it has fallen:
Here’s how NBC News, in a March 27, 2012, broadcast of the “Today” show, abridged the tape of Zimmerman’s comments to a police dispatcher on the evening of Feb. 26, 2012:
Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.
The full tape went like this:
Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about. Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic? Zimmerman: He looks black.
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Subject: Re: Show Trial - Not Guilty (for now) Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:56 pm
quietobserver wrote:
An example of 'media' and how far it has fallen:
Here’s how NBC News, in a March 27, 2012, broadcast of the “Today” show, abridged the tape of Zimmerman’s comments to a police dispatcher on the evening of Feb. 26, 2012:
Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.
The full tape went like this:
Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about. Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic? Zimmerman: He looks black.
Here’s how NBC News, in a March 27, 2012, broadcast of the “Today” show, abridged the tape of Zimmerman’s comments to a police dispatcher on the evening of Feb. 26, 2012:
Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.
The full tape went like this:
Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about. Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic? Zimmerman: He looks black.
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