Biblical Timeline Rediscovered - A Whole New Perspective on Biblical Timing - or - Those Wily Jews and Their Lying Pharisees and Scribes

 
Y’all have seen my comments here before about Pharisees and scribes changing the Hebrew texts – a little tweak here, a little tweak there, until whole meanings are changed. For a fact these vipers changed things after the Babylonian captivity and I’ve spoken on this here before, however, BIG HOWEVER, those rascals have been caught yet again changing the texts AFTER the crucifixion and the video below will explain these changes. Most of our Bibles today are based on the Masoretic texts and that presents some major problems with timelines in our Bibles.
 
You’ll want to tune into this short 32 minute video. I watched this a few days ago and have been debating ever since on how to present this story here on the forum without causing too much strife. There is no walking this back once you know the truth. Might change our eschatology some too and that makes this a very dicey and HOT POINT subject. What you’ll learn will astound you as it did me. I was floored, and I have the bruises, now black and blue, to prove it.

Wait till you see the part about Melchizedek!!! GOOSE-BUMP CITY!
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI1yRTC6kGE

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Published on May 28, 2017
This is a video explaining whether or not the Egyptian pyramids were built before the flood of Noah's day. It also deals with issues with the accuracy of the Hebrew Masoretic text verses the Greek Septuagint, the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Tower of Babel, the age of the Earth, an extra Cainan in Jesus' genealogy, and the identity of Melchizedek - not in that particular order.
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The Jews distorted their own Bible in their attempt to disprove Christianity. But it really just made their own religion look stupid. So now it appears that the pyramids were built before the flood, that there wasn't enough time for the Tower of Babel event to have taken place, and that Shem outlived all his sons and grandsons. But thankfully God has preserved His Words in the Greek Septuagint, which was considered the Christian Bible in the days of the early church. And it preserves the original Hebrew...except for when it doesn't (the Greek isn't always perfect either).
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I'm bumping this up in hopes that at least one of y'all will have something to say. I know this video is a theological hot potato, maybe too hot to juggle, but still, I can't find any reason to refute this. Can't find anything to refute this other one either that I've posted below.

How Long Were The Israelites in Egypt - 12½ minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF0F8YjT1og

Sorry, thought I already replied...lol.

I saw the documentary mentioned in the 1st video. They did a very good job laying out there case, and if you can, I would suggest it as a view for anybody.

I had never heard the Jewish "explanation" for Melchizadek (sp?). That just doesn't make any kind of sense, even if the years from the Masoretic Text were correct.

i have not watched these yet, but i am looking forward to it...my internet has been down yesterday and most of today, so i am behind on some stuff....if you want something to make you go, hhmmm, go look at the hammurabi code and compare it to the old testament Law....remember, Christ called it "your law" when confronting the pharisees.....the law at the time of Christ, was not the same Law that moses was given....nothing wrong with questioning the bible....it'll come out clean every time

i have now watched the videos....melchizadek  was the king of salem, with no parents,no beginning and no end.....that only leaves ONE possibility of who HE was....He brought ole abe bread (of life,maybe) and wine (symbolic for blood,maybe) so ole abe could eat His bread and drink His wine....only one answer for the order of melchizadek....if i am wrong it won't be the first time, but i figured out that melchizadek was Christ a long time ago....i mean, ray charles could have seen this, no beginning or end?....thats eternal, and only One fits that....now, got to pull out the septuagint....i always thought that the septuagint deserved more respect than what it has gotten.....lol, if you mention "septuagint" to most Christians they look at you funny, kinda' like "i have no clue what you are talking about", but i do know that Jesus carried the KJV with him wherever he went!"

researcher.....................after watching those videos, i am sitting here debating about whether to take this up and look into it....you do know that if this is true, then we have a problem....if they did this, then what else did they change?....damn!!!....i have all of my library stacked up in UNLABELED boxes out in the little house....when we moved back home, i just did not have room for them....joseph, this may be my last study and i am almost 63 years old, can't hear,can't see and do not retain new information very well,so,  i may need your help....you know the bible, and you know you know it in detail....especially the new testament and there is our witness.....i have the real josephus's "antiquities of the jews" also......researcher, i could kick your butt....lol. you just had to put this up there,didn't you?....well, since i am only interested in the truth,no matter what that truth turns out to be, i could not, with a clear conscience, walk away from this....since it is a fact that rabbinical judaism is nothing more than hybrid cult that combines the mosaic law and the babylonian hammurabic code....if they did all of that, what else did the bastards do?...according to polycarp, the new testament is 100% authentic and he testified to that, so we know that we can take an interlinear bible and come damn close, or a strongs concordance with the KJV....so, i have two of the sources mentioned in the videos....gosh, do you guys understand just how significant this is, if it is 100% accurate?

Mike, I will help any way I can! Just let me know.

Josephus wrote:

Mike, I will help any way I can! Just let me know.

i don't even know where to start, josey, i really don't...ever since i watched the videos, it has been eating me alive....this is just another reason Christ had an attitude toward the religious jews....i  remember dr. gene scott spending a lot of time comparing the masoretic text against the septuagint, but he never came out and called the masoretic text a coverup....i do not remember him mentioning the differences of the years, or pointing out the very obvious mentioned in the videos.....i guess, and this is a good thing, so don't take it as bitching,i guess i can sit down and read the bible again,KJV verses the septuagint....holy smokes, i think my head is going to explode

michael371 wrote:

after watching those videos, i am sitting here debating about whether to take this up and look into it....you do know that if this is true, then we have a problem....if they did this, then what else did they change?....damn!!!....

By all means do so! This info really needs to get out to all Bible believers, starting with the "King James only" crowd. Re-post it all over the place. The more heads lookin' into this the better.

michael371 wrote:

researcher, i could kick your butt

You're welcome.

michael371 wrote:

Josephus wrote:

Mike, I will help any way I can! Just let me know.

i don't even know where to start, josey, i really don't...ever since i watched the videos, it has been eating me alive....this is just another reason Christ had an attitude toward the religious jews....i  remember dr. gene scott spending a lot of time comparing the masoretic text against the septuagint, but he never came out and called the masoretic text a coverup....i do not remember him mentioning the differences of the years, or pointing out the very obvious mentioned in the videos.....i guess, and this is a good thing, so don't take it as bitching,i guess i can sit down and read the bible again,KJV verses the septuagint....holy smokes, i think my head is going to explode

One thing about all of this is that the Textus Receptus is what was used for the New Testament, for the KJV. So, the Gospel would not be changed due to the Masoretic Text. That is one way it was obvious the Jewish argument is wrong, because the NT clearly states Jesus' lineage, and it is not a Levite lineage.

yeah, we're good to go on the NT.....you can find  and read polycarps testimony of the accuracy and authenticity of the NT.....i can understand translation errors, and errors of context, but it angers me that they conspired and perpetrated an outright fraud....the "KJV ONLY"crowd are going to be pissed.....

started out a little dizzy, pretty soon i am sure i will be falling down drunk from all of this turmoil....here are some nice videos , little appetizers to start off with....why do i get the impression that i am going to be more hated than i am now in the church communities around here?....lol, it downright heresy to speak evil of the KJV, and i have always thought that the KJV,along with a strongs concordance, was a pretty good combination, and still do, but a closer look is now warranted....sheeeeesh!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wczieIcwRys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3f82WxIx5Q


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ottD9bt8t44

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe4R9ThNA5g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g898idlzzXw

Well, it looks like my video viewing lineup is set for a bit...lol. I use only the KJV. That's how I was raised, but I used the NKJV for years, before coming back to it. I have read and heard too much about the texts use for translating most of the other translations to be comfortable with them...well, I also use the Geneva Bible fairly often too. I also use concordances, but, so far, I haven't found anything to make me not trust the KJV.

Josephus wrote:

Well, it looks like my video viewing lineup is set for a bit...lol. I use only the KJV. That's how I was raised, but I used the NKJV for years, before coming back to it. I have read and heard too much about the texts use for translating most of the other translations to be comfortable with them...well, I also use the Geneva Bible fairly often too. I also use concordances, but, so far, I haven't found anything to make me not trust the KJV.

you're fixing to, i am afraid....i am looking at quotes from the NT  that quote the OT and comparing them to the KJV and to the septuagint....houston, we have a problem...it is not the translation differences, it is the possibility of a conspiracy to defraud that concerns me...the gospel of john shows that the pharisees probably suspected that Jesus was the messiah, but the desire  to hold on to their power and prestige was their only goal, even if it meant killing what might have been their salvation and their God...it wasn't so much the crime because that was predestined before the foundation of the world, it was the coverup,if this turns out to be true...the geneva bible, even though i consider john calvins interpretation to be the most accurate of them all, is so damned hard to read....its like reading geoffrey chaucers "the canterberry tales"....too many extra "y"s and "e"s for a redneck like me

Josephus wrote:

but, so far, I haven't found anything to make me not trust the KJV.

Josephus (and the rest of y'all)

As far as the New Testament goes I'm pretty good with most of the established older and a few of the newer translations, even the KJV. We have so many papers, letters, even some originals of the NT, church fathers stuff, etc. from way, way back, even to some original fragments of the Gospels. With all that stuff, error checking can be done fairly quickly and with ease. There are tens of thousands of pieces of information that can be pieced together to form a true NT picture. Not so with the Old Testament and that's where the focus and the problems are. The Septuagint, the Dead Sea scrolls, Josephus, etc. all point damning fingers at "our established versions" of the Old Testament.

The Dead Sea scrolls really turned a bunch of heads. See, the Essines, if my research and info on this sect is accurate, splintered off of mainstream Talmudic Judaism some years before Yeshua's time and took their original scrolls with them and copied, copied, copied the daylights out of them and then hid the copies. They knew of the heresies of the mainstream Jews of their day (the same heresies that Yeshua constantly unbranded them about) and they (the Essines) weren't having any part of it. Go do an in depth study on the Essine sect and the Dead Sea scrolls. It's a real 'eye-opener'.

Anyway . . . I just want the truth!

Now in this computer age searching and finding things that used to take years, decades, and lifetimes can now be done in quick-time. And folks are digging and finding. God bless the Internet for that!

michael371 wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wczieIcwRys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3f82WxIx5Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ottD9bt8t44

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe4R9ThNA5g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g898idlzzXw

The revenge of Michael!!! Guess I asked for it after kicking the hornets nest, huh? I'm watching some of these now. Good stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1cDU6_-mJ8

just wait until bordercollie jumps in....you'll be dreaming youtube videos in your sleep....

right now, i am just listening,trying to get familiar with what other folks are saying and thinking about this....

michael371 wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1cDU6_-mJ8

just wait until bordercollie jumps in....you'll be dreaming youtube videos in your sleep....

right now, i am just listening,trying to get familiar with what other folks are saying and thinking about this....

^^^This video is a fake^^^ It says it is Tim Conway....

This is Tim Conway-----> 

bump.....this one ain't getting away

michael371 wrote:

bump.....this one ain't getting away

You were reading my mind.

researcher, had to go to the doctor today and he is a sorta' hardshell preacher and knows a lot of serious bible doctrine....i am not a hardcore calvinist, but i do KNOW that God is sovereign, and predestination and election are FACT, as is reprobation and my doctor and i talk a lot about the bible when i go, which is becoming a bit too regular....i pointed it out to him that we have a problem with the versions that come from the masoretic texts....he had never noticed it either....he uses the KJV but he is not a KJV only guy, so he will be more open minded.....he wants everything documented when i go back as to the differences of the KJV and the septuagint....darn,only about 4% of white males get lupus....i may be one of the lucky ones, so i'll be going back to see him pretty regular.....i am in the process of transitioning from middle age to old age and it sure does hurt....an autoimmune disorder would explain a lot things that have been going on with me in the last year, but i can't just stop being active....i'll fight my way through it until i can't.....in the meantime, i need you guys to help look into this and verify the parts of masoretic that have been corrupted....i am beginning to understand some stuff, specifically, why God hid Yeshua/Jesus in the old testament....think about it... if you guys should feel led to, put in a good word for me....its not a big deal, since i had a heart attack at age 43 and i am a two time cancer survivor, this is not fatal, but it does hurt....i know this will be a bit rambling,lol....i am ,at the moment, a victim of the opiate epidemic that they keep talking about, but i ain't hurting as bad as i was....i hate to take pills of any kind, but like i said, i am in transition, i guess....researcher, you have no idea what you did to me when you posted those videos....its been, literally, on my mind 24/7....the gospel of john is quite revealing as to how Yeshua/Jesus felt about "judaism"

Researcher, I don't know how I missed that post about the Essines, unless I was too excited about getting to post a pic of Dorf on Golf...lol. I will start looking into them, and them and the Dead Sea Scrolls tonight.

Mike, buddy, prayers sent!! I hate it for ya if it is Lupus. Some of my friends thought that was what I had when I was looking for a diagnosis. So, I got familiar with it, and it is something that would not be fun to have. I will also dive more in depth into the Masoretic text, starting tonight.

bump....i mean it, you might as well pin it because i am not letting this one go away....this is serious stuff

Here are the different text references of Melchizedek, however I myself don't care for all of his scripture interpretations.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melchizedek

From my interlinear to Strong's on Melchizedek comes:

H4442  king of right.  an early king of palestine

H8004 (same as H8003)  Salem-Shalem-Peaceful.  An early name for Jerusalem

That sure seemed to miss everything about Him.
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The incredible importance of His appearance and role in the establishment and confirmation of the New Covenant of Faith rather than works and the Law is just about beyond words.
Then the narrative moves on to the sacrifice of Isaac, a story far beyond any Biblical 'type and shadow' of who Jesus is to and for us carrying much more weight IMO as it is the continuation of the establishment of the New Covenant. (Gen. 22)

(Some Christians believe that tithing is an Old Testament tradition.  Looks to me like it's been established as part of the New Covenent right along with Communion.)


I haven't really gotten started writing about 'corresponding actions' and how necessary they are, as they allow for the manifestation of the Will and Word of God onto the earth.  Much of the Blessings in the Word are conditional to God.  He says, IF you do this...I will do___that.  Of course that shows obedience, but it's also Obedience for a Purpose-a Good Purpose-to bless us.

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This was phenomenal.  I searched with Blueletterbible for Melchizedek and the Book of Hebrews never came up because of the KJV spelling.  So be careful.  Perhaps there's a way around that which we should employ each time.
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A wonderful explanation in Hebrews 7 of the Priestly order of Levi and the Higher Order of Melchizedek.

Heb.7:
For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;  ² to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;  ³ without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
⁴ Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.  ⁵ And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:  ⁶ but he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.  ⁷ And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.  ⁸ And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.  ⁹ And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.  ¹⁰ For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
¹¹ If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?  ¹² For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.  ¹³ For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.  ¹⁴ For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
¹⁵ And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,  ¹⁶ who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.  ¹⁷ For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.  ¹⁸ For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.  ¹⁹ For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
²⁰ And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:  ²¹ (for those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:)  ²² by so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.  ²³ And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:  ²⁴ but this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.  ²⁵ Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
²⁶ For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;  ²⁷ who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people’s: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.  ²⁸ For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

Melchizedek had no beginning, so He was not created, and if He had no beginning, then the only other option is that He has always been....soooooooooo, He could not have been an angel and the ONLY other position that He could hold would be that He was part of the Godhead.....He was not a spirit, so He was not the Holy Ghost, and He was not the Father (assumption) then the ONLY thing that Melchizedek could have been was the WORD, AND " in the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with GOD and the WORD was GOD".....MELCHIZEDEK AND CHRIST are one and the same....no other alternative....sorry to be so short, and please don't inject anything into the way that i type because i do not mean to be abrasive or brash, even though it looks that way....it hurts to type and my thought process is not what it used to be, but at least i know why, now.

right now, Melchizedek is not my interest other than the timeline of His offering abraham bread and wine, and His visit with abraham as the two angels wrecked sodom and gomorrah, and the birth of shem...i am trying to find every instance of the masoretic text being DELIBERATELY changed to try to eliminate the references to the divinity of Christ....i am getting one of those "vibes" again....lol....the book of enoch, written for the "final generation" is to be read separate from all other texts, now i see why(i think).....jadaism is nothing more than a semite version of catholicism...classic example of bastardized religions....i never really hated judaism like i do catholicism, because i benefited from rabbinical historians and their views on the Law and other old testament subjects, but boy, i am beginning to...wow

No problem Michael.  I think that's exactly what Paul said, and exactly how I see it too.

If it appears that I said something different, I don't know what that might have been.

Glad to see Dove join the fray. And what a fray it is!

Like the first (original post) video said, Yeshua, a priest after the order of Melchizadek. It couldn't be anything else. He wasn't from the tribe of Levi, the tribe of priests, sooooo . . . .The timeline chart in the first video pretty much nails it too. The "Talmudic" Jews don't have a leg to stand on.

Then there's that Abram breaking bread thing back in Genesis, then that Jerusalem thing with Melchizadek being the king of Salem and 1000 years or so later called Jerusalem, the place God put His name. It just fits like a glove.

See the link below. It's really complete on this subject.

https://thescripturesays.org/2015/12/19/hebrews-7-10-melchizedek-king-of-salem-priest-of-the-most-high-god/

wow!....i wrote a post and its not here?....i am getting too stupid to breathe

Be sure to hit the "preview" button every 5 minutes or so if it's a long post. If you don't the dang thing will time out on you and all is lost. ??? Ask me how I know that ???

For long detailed posts I work in a word processor then copy & paste over, then I format things like quotes, YouTube, boldness, colors, and such. No time outs in MS Word. I never lost any of those. Most operating systems have a basic word processor program built into them.

Other books say that Abraham spent time with Shem and Eber so i have some doubts about his timeline but give him credit for the effort. 

i don't know if this is a fact but it's definitely worthy of consideration:

From The Conflict of Adam and Eve:

Then he [Noah] called his first-born son Shem, and conversed with him, saying, "O my son, hearken unto what I command thee.** ''Behold [what] I command thee now [is], to hold good until i die and ye bury me. Then, when ye have ended mourning for me, go into the ark in which we were saved from the flood; then bring out of it the body of our father Adam; but let no one know of it but one that is of thy seed. Then make a beautiful case for it, and lay it therein.

"Then take with thee some bread to be for provision unto thee by the way, and wine whereof to drink on thy way; for the land to which thou shalt go is rough and hungry.

"Then take Melchizedec the youngest son of Cainan, thy son; for God has chosen him from all generations of men, to stand before Him to worship and to minister unto Him, by the body of our father Adam.

"Then lay the body of Adam in the midst of the earth; and set Melchizedec to stand by it; and show him how to fulfil his ministry before God."

i think later on it says that Melchizedec lived on Gethsemane.

This is from the same book:

Conflict of Adam and Eve:

34 Arphaxad took to wife Rasuya, daughter of Elam, who bare him a son, Cainan. This Cainan, taught letters by his father, while looking for a place where to build a city, found an inscription on stone, the work of the Watchers, wherein was recorded the course of heavenly bodies, etc.; but he hid the discovery from Noah. Cainen is said to have invented astrology; and that his children raised a statue to him, and worshipped him as a god.

The book of Jubilees says pretty much the same:

In the twenty-ninth jubilee, in the first week, [abt 1373 A.M.] in the beginning thereof Arpachshad took to himself a wife and her name was Rasu'eja, the daughter of Susan, the daughter of Elam, and she bare him a son in the third year in this week, [abt 1375 A.M.] and he called his name Kainam. And the son grew, and his father taught him writing, and he went to seek for himself a place where he might seize for himself a city. And he found a writing which former (generations) had carved on the rock, and he read what was thereon, and he transcribed it and sinned owing to it; for it contained the teaching of the Watchers in accordance with which they used to observe the omens of the sun and moon and stars in all the signs of heaven. And he wrote it down and said nothing regarding it; for he was afraid to speak to Noah about it lest he should be angry with him on account of it.

Arphaxad had three known sons, Shelach (Shelah, Salah), Anar, and Ashcol. One of these may be Cainan.

thanks lovisa....now, oh my, what do we do with this?....we have the book of hebrews and genesis dealing with Melchizedek as having no mudder and poppa, no beginning and no end....here, we have an apocryphal book saying that he does....i have the book of jubilees handy, right on the back of my "throne" and its easily accessible in the morning....i have learned through the years that sometimes the "straight line" of the canon of scripture can be a bit crooked, so i do not discount extra-biblical writings...gosh, try to go on little fishing trip and try to bait your hook with one worm and the whole can crawls out in your lap...and its obvious that this part of the masoretic old testament is fishy....lovisa, the part about adams body is, at first glance, a bit out of line, at least to me....maybe not...lol....at one time, the idea of an angel romancing a human woman was out of line,also....this makes my brain hurt, goodnight.........m

michael371 wrote:

...gosh, try to go on little fishing trip and try to bait your hook with one worm and the whole can crawls out in your lap...

i just quoted a little part about Melchizedek. If you want to find out more you can download The Conflict of Adam and Eve at the following link. If you search the book for "Melchizedek" you'll find there's more to the story and it begins with Methusalah.

https://archive.org/details/bookofadameveals00malaiala

bump

Okie-dokie, I just downloaded The Book of Adam & Eve and put it on my Kindle. I enjoy reading stuff like this. Got a book I'm currently in the middle of right now that I wanna finish so this one is next right after. Having said that . . . .

Right now, at this time until I see proof otherwise, I'm more trusting of the Septuagint, Josephus, the book of Hebrews in the new testament, and so forth. It's that testimony of two or more witnesses thing that bends me towards this view. Well, that and the Jewish skulduggery thing and I don't for a New York minute put it past them to alter things.

From hence forth I'm calling Melchizedek just plain old "Mel" for two obvious reasons, those being nobody spells Melchizedek the same way twice, and, Mel is a heck of a lot easier to type. Y'all with me on this?

Any-who, lets stay with this and keep digging.

Michael371 wrote:

...gosh, try to go on little fishing trip and try to bait your hook with one worm and the whole can crawls out in your lap...

You really should make that your signature line, Michael. Absolutely brilliant! I already swiped it for my collection of favorite quotes and sayings.

Can you repeat the question, please? 

We know who Melchizedek is/was, I think. And knew by the Heart before we ever started thinking about it.  The Pharisees who mistook a 'man' by appearance, who was known as, and whose Name conveys "the King of Right" (Righteousness) and the 'King of Peace', also missed the full Foundation of the New Covenant of which Melchizedek was an integral part. Blind from the beginning I guess. Yet how they count themselves as being 'sons of Abraham'....  What???? Oh well.  One more chance coming.

The Revelation of the "Order of Melchizedek" had to wait for the Ascension, I firmly believe.  And  today we can understand the totality of the Coming King because of the guidance of the Holy Spirit..
As Yeshua=as the Name of "God My Salvation", had not fulfilled His Mission as the Sacrificial Lamb till the Cross, even as He SPOKE ALL THINGS in the Authority of the Father even while in the flesh, by the Power of the Anointing of the Spirit.

Scripture says one can blaspheme the Name of Jesus and live but blaspheming the Holy Spirit is death.  That begs to be fully thought out.

So it all shows us how 'IT IS FINISHED' before the Creation of the world, and yet it is played out 'in time' for our benefit, so that we may be partakers of the reward WITH HIM, by virtue OF HIM.
(But it sure takes a lot of words, which is no guarantee of 'seeing' Truth, and leaves the "blind guides' behind according to the examples we are given.)
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That said, does Melchizedek impact the timeline that you're looking for?  And is the timeline of the flood and of the generations what you all are looking for? (cuz I have nothing in that dept.  You all are far more studied on those facts, and I would just wait on your conclusions.)

i am looking for evidence that the masoretic text was changed deliberately to dispute the truth of Christ coming in the flesh.....Melchizedek is a reference point....the rabbi's claim that shem, the son of noah, was Melchizedek, but if shem died at 600 years of age, it would be IMPOSSIBLE for shem to be Melchizedek if the septuagint,samaritan pentateuch and flavious josephus are correct on the ages of shems generations.....the masoretic has 550 less years than those....shem would have died long before he met abraham, and long before he accompanied the angels at sodom and gomorrah....the videos that researcher posteed explains it....i am looking for more instances that the masoretic has been changed....all of the english translations are from the masoretic, and therefore, greatly flawed when compared to the septuagint

Dove wrote:

We know who Melchizedek is/was, I think.

Yup, and it ain't Shem!

Dove wrote:

That said, does Melchizedek impact the timeline that you're looking for?  And is the timeline of the flood and of the generations what you all are looking for?

Great question. One of my main issues concerning the timeline was the "one day to The Lord is as a thousand years" that hasn't been addressed here at all. The "Mel" part I think we were pretty much settled on however the study that resulted from that one question is PRICELESS. As to the rest of the timeline I'm still focused on that "one day = 1000 years" thing. How many times have I/we read, discussed, seen, or heard about a 7000 year timeline where Yeshua returns at year 6000 and the final 1000 year millennium starts? There are about a zillion charts and graphs on this - we've all see 'em. They made a ton of sense and I bought into them. If "re-creation" of Earth (after some pre-judgment destruction by God) happened ~6000 years ago at AM 0 (zero) then Yeshua's coming at AM 6000 is/seems/seemed really close. That was really the issue in my mind when I originally posted this topic. The "Mel" thing and the Jews Shem answer was new to me and I had to made mention of it. For me THAT was a "goosebump city" moment. But . . . I am so happy that we've done the Mel vs Shem study & debate. It has bless me tremendously.

Now. . . . about that corrupted timeline . . . . if one day = 1000 years then we are way past year AM 6000 . . . . and heading fast toward AM 7000 and then ? ? ?

OK peeps, so where are we really on Gods timeline? That was my main concern. Ready - set - GO!

yep, it occurred to me also, researcher....if the timeline is, in fact, correct in the septuagint, then what i have always been so sure of,the 6000 year duration, is wrong....no need to twist scripture or resort to split-hair theology, it will be wrong..period......the end was declared from the beginning, and even then, the days are going to be shortened to save a few pods for seed.....this suddenly has got above my paygrade....damn, all i want is to find the discrepancies of the masoretic versus the septuagint, with NT quotes to back it all up....now this!!!!....eventually, my head will explode, i have no doubt....now, don't anybody start trying to theorize, or smooth over, or twist scripture.....we have a major problem here...its stated in a redundant fashion, "a day = 1000 years. 1000 years = one day"..............unless!!!!!!...to be continued.....need to think about this before i write it down so it won't sound stupid

the number "8" = "new beginning"....is it possible that the millennial period would start at "year" 8000?....i have always "ass-ummed" that the duration of creation would reflect the actual creation timeline....6 days, do your work and then rest.....God rested on the 7th day, etc.....boy,did the wrench thrown into the crankshaft on this one....the #8 is representative of Yeshua/Jesus, so maybe the millennial period begins AFTER  the 7000 year duration?....lol. researcher, i am putting you and dove in charge of this one, i have too much on my plate already ....i should know better, and i know there is a correct answer somewhere.....always has been, and always will be, you just have hunt for it, but, i'll admit that i am a wee bit shaken at this revelation....most Christians will avoid things like this like the plague, but we ain't most Christians,are we?

WOW Fantastic stuff. !!!   I've been away from the internet and have a lot of catching up to do !!!  Wow Wow  Wow !!!       Gotta go back to work  now but can't wait to check this stuff out !!!

I've always heard that '7' was representative of Jesus, and 8 of New Beginnings, as you said.
Jesus is our Sabbath, our 'rest'.  'the 1000 year day of rest and peace'.
I can bring alot of Bible examples, and don't mind doing it if you'd like.

The 8th-of God the Father-would be the New Jerusalem coming down from heaven at the end of the Millennium Reign.  The one measured out in the Book of Revelation.

I may as well add here that I've SPECULATED that it is at the END of the Millennium, after satan is released one more time for a 'short time' that the full destruction of the earth will happen.

My turn to be tired, but I can go into great detail eventually.  I feel sure about the coming 7th Day 1000 year Millennial Reign, and have some leanings towards what happens to earth and believers on the 8th Day.
One implication about my 8th Day theory is that we don't have to experience massive destruction to initiate the 7th day.  Not that it won't be very! rough, but not the sum total destruction Revelation makes us fear is right around the corner.

Hey, Michael, don't give up on this one. We need you. You come up with good stuff. Like you, all any of us want is the pure unvarnished truth. This is gonna bug you as bad as it's bugging me.

I'd considered and still consider that 8 being a new beginning thing. Also that line in the Bible about a mans days being three score and 10 years (seventy years) but by strength he's added another 10 years making it 80. If we are really at year AM 6650 as the three witnesses of the Septuagint, Sumerian Pentateuch and Josephus say then we may already be well into that "by reason of strength they be fourscore years" part. That makes my head hurt. It even makes my hair hurt.

Psalm 90:10 KJV wrote:

The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

dove, you're right, i didn't phrase it right....i was thinking outside my head and trying to type and trying to fix this mess and then 3.2.1. boom!    head exploded....6=man.....7=perfect number of God...8= new beginnings....ya'll ever play "jacks" when you were little?.....throw the little star thingies on floor and try to pick them up while the ball bounces?....thats what is in my head right now....we got them damn jacks scattered all over the place, and now we have to try to pick them up while the ball is bouncing.....g.h. pember (love the old guy, and consider him to be one of the great ones) thought that the 6 day creation was done in "ages" rather than 1000 year periods or "days"....i never really agreed with him on that, although i have a bible teacher cousin who is emphatic about that being the case....good grief, if this doesn't get answered in a reasonable amount of time, and considering the mental condition that i have been in this week, by the first day of autumn i have no doubt that  one day my wife will walk in here and find me curled up in the corner, in the fetal position, blowing spitbubbles....researcher, fix this mess....you started it!

laying all jokes aside....researcher, we do have a problem and there is no denying that....seriously, we need a thread pinned,with only serious posts and info added to it as we go...this is really kind of a big deal

I agree about the pin. Wasn't so sure about doing that when it was first suggested however this one has grown legs and gotten sooooo deep that a pin would be a wise choice, at least for a while. It can always be unpinned when we settle this thing . . .

IF we ever settle this thing that is.

@Michael . . . remember that can of worms in the lap statement you made? Have another heapin' helping. There's plenty enough to go around for everyone to have a few.

okay, pinky-promise, only serious business in this thread from here on out.....there was a guy/gal whose forum name was sansanoy and was pretty sharp....i have not seen him/her around for a while....i think he/she could help a lot on this undertaking....the sooner this gets settled the better i will be....its driving me nuttier than a payday candy bar

I'm attempting to compile a list of what documents were written when and who carried them forward, as I need a starting place.  My initial opinion from reading is that the Masoretic texts can be a tad suspect.
Intentional?  Or did they tweak their interpretations to line up with their then current understanding, and omit things that didn't seem to fit; that they couldn't make sense of?  Or missing pieces of documents that they filled in with tradition?
http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/bible_isaiahscroll.html

But if I thought I could get through to them I'd do two things.  I'd attempt to contact Mike Heiser and Mark Flynn about the conclusions in the initial video.

The third thing I'd do is give up the search as far as assigning dates to the ancient past.   It's one of those things that all comes out in the 'wash' (or the flood, if you will).
There are just too many 'man' hands throughout time on that much ancient history,
in my opinion.

I believe that if we can accept "a 1/3 of time" then the only concern seems to be the calendar change of the Nicaean (or another) council, and possibly adjusting the year count to 360 day prophetic years.
Did not Jesus already mark the time for us?
And re-read Isaiah.  What a gift from God that the scrolls should be discovered and proven accurate for such a time as this.

Oh gee.  I went to Biblegateway to find a passage and this is the verse for the day:
Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.
[url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=AKJV&search=Psalm 119:160]Psalm 119:160[/url] AKJV
Perhaps it is His Righteous Judgments that are the part that is Worthy and True.

I'll put up the scripture timeline soon in case it helps at all.
Whose report do we believe?

This probably won't help at all, but as I'm starting from scratch, here's some of it b4 I dump it.


The earliest written evidence is a Linear B clay tablet found in Messenia that dates to between 1450 and 1350 BC, making Greek the world's oldest recorded living language.

Koine Greek can be initially traced within the armies and conquered territories of Alexander the Great and after the Hellenistic colonisation of the known world, it was spoken from Egypt to the fringes of India. After the Roman conquest of Greece, an unofficial bilingualism of Greek and Latin was established in the city of Rome and Koine Greek became a first or second language in the Roman Empire. The origin of Christianity can also be traced through Koine Greek, because the Apostles used this form of the language to spread Christianity. It is also known as Hellenistic Greek, New Testament Greek, and sometimes Biblical Greek because it was the original language of the New Testament and the Old Testament was translated into the same language via the Septuagint.
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Sir Lancelot Charles Lee Brenton, 2nd Baronet (16 February 1807 – 13 June 1862) was the translator of one of only two English translations of the Septuagint.

Search the translation here:
http://www.ecmarsh.com/lxx/Genesis/index.htm
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The title (Greek: Ἡ μετάφρασις τῶν Ἑβδομήκοντα, lit. "The Translation of the Seventy") and its Roman numeral LXX refer to the legendary seventy Jewish scholars who solely translated the Five Books of Moses into Koine Greek as early as the 3rd century BCE.[4][5] Separated from the Hebrew canon of the Jewish Bible in Rabbinic Judaism, translations of the Torah into Koine Greek by early Jewish Rabbis have survived as rare fragments only.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/issue-43/how-we-got-our-bible-christian-history-timeline.html

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c. 1400–400 B.C. Books of the Hebrew Old Testament written
 c.408-203 BCE    earliest Dead Sea Scrolls by carbon dating   Wadi-Daliyeh deed
 c.  351-296 or 230-48 BCE      1QIsaiaha       ******                 
c. 250–200 B.C. The Septuagint, a popular Greek translation of the Old Testament, produced
180–175 BCE, The Wisdom of Sirach ***
A.D. 45–85? Books of the Greek New Testament written
90 and 118 Councils of Jamnia give final affirmation to the Old Testament canon (39 books)
140-150 Marcion’s heretical “New Testament” incites orthodox Christians to establish a NT canon
303-306 Diocletian’s persecution includes confiscating and destroying New Testament Scriptures
c. 305-310 Lucian of Antioch’s Greek New Testament text; becomes a foundation for later Bibles
367 Athanasius’s Festal Letter lists complete New Testament canon (27 books) for the first time
397 Council of Carthage establishes orthodox New Testament canon (27 books)
c. 400 Jerome translates the Bible into Latin; this “Vulgate” becomes standard of medieval church
ENGLISH VERSIONS FROM LATIN
c. 650 Caedmon, a monk, puts Bible books into verse
c. 735 >Historian Bede translates the Gospels
871-899 King Alfred the Great translates the Psalms and 10 Commandments
950 The 7th-century Lindisfarne Gospels receive English translation
955-1020 Aelfric translates various Bible books
c. 1300 Invention of eyeglasses aids copying
c. 1325 Both Richard Rolle and William Shoreham translate psalms into metrical verse
1380-1382 John Wycliffe and associates make first translation of the whole Bible into English
1388 John Purvey revises Wycliffe Bible
1455 Gutenberg’s Latin Bible—first from press
ENGLISH VERSIONS FROM GREEK
1516 Erasmus’s Greek New Testament, forerunner to the Textus Receptus used by KJV translators
1525 William Tyndale makes the first translation of the New Testament from Greek into English
1536 Tyndale strangled and burned
1537 Miles Coverdale’s Bible completes Tyndale’s work on the Old Testament
1538 Great Bible, assembled by John Rogers, the first English Bible authorized for public use
1560 Geneva Bible—the work of William Whittingham, a Protestant English exile in Geneva
1568 Bishop’s Bible—a revision of the Great Bible
1582 Rheims New Testament published
1607-1611 King James Version, the “Authorized Version,” is made

compiled by:
Dr. Philip W. Comfort is visiting professor of New Testament at Wheaton College and author of The Quest for the Original Text of the New Testament
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dove, you go 'head on and "git er done"....lol.....i went to the funeral of a cousin today....she was one of those type people that alienated about everyone that she came in contact with....several family members didn't even bother to go.....that was just wrong, because she had a son who put his life on hold to take care of her.....he is engaged to a nice girl and is a good man.....he has done nothing to anyone but be friendly and nice, and i am really pissed off at some of my family at the moment, so i won't be doing anything this afternoon as far as looking, except to read doves wonderful work and watch this guys video....in these videos, i learned nothing and you won't either, but i enjoyed them because the guy is at a position that reflects us....this man is an image of me right now, and i guess researcher,also...i get the sense that dove is confident that its all going to work out and fall into place, and i think that confidence comes from experience in looking into matters like this....dove, i am going to lean on you on this one....in these videos, this dude just wanted truth and sorta' thought that it would all work out pretty easy concerning the textual truths....lol....i feel his pain!.....get a coke, or a cup of coffee, sit back, relax and watch these videos of frustrated man who only wanted to know what is real and what is not....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM6R02KCeXc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l4cqAiqkHE