Biblical Timeline Rediscovered - A Whole New Perspective on Biblical Timing - or - Those Wily Jews and Their Lying Pharisees and Scribes

I'm sure your presence blessed the family, Michael.  Whether in your passion or humor or even frustration, you bless us all.

This is what came to me this morning:
True history is HIS STORY, and THAT is what constitutes the INFALLIBLE WORD, and THAT  we CAN know.

So don't be dismayed when the recorded 'history of the (fallen) world' does not appear to meet the criteria of infallibility.



which I'm thinking relates to yesterday's Word,
Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.


Still working on it all, but  would need a bigger desk to plot out timelines.  Somehow I think Researcher's doing that as we speak.


This would be cool to have:
"Newton’s Revised History of Ancient Kingdoms

A Complete Chronology"

17.00 on Amazon or  23.00 at https://answersingenesis.org/store/product/newtons-revised-history-ancient-kingdoms/?sku=10-3-123&

Michael Heisner has a video on Melchizedek.

now, i broke my glasses this morning and the optician can't fix them, so i have an appointment for next week....NEXT WEEK!!!!....I have my wifes glasses on right now, bent over the keyboard, so i can see the letters, and to read the screen, the tip of my nose is almost touching it...you can't die without a damned appointment....this is not new york city or some other thriving metropolis, this an area where the local dentist is also the postmaster....so ya'll keep going, and i'll sit here and look retarded

Oh no!!!  That's ok (sort of).  We'll send you plenty of audios, as in "hold on-you ain't getting a whole week off just for a little thing like you can't see!" as my house settles deeper into the ground from the weight of dust kitties (monsters) and dog hair, and my computer is thinking 'you're kidding, right?  100 open links?  You're asking for it, girl".

So Bordercollie (thank you!) gave me the impetus to stop whining and start searching Heiser.  I signed up for free access to https://bible.faithlife.com
as they've already done what I feel I need to do MUCH-Gi-normously  better than I ever could. We'll see what comes of it.

Thank you Dove. I have a long way to go with all of this.. I feel that I'm hardly walking in a race of athletic superstars. I have learned so much  yet still have a heck of a way to go.
 Michael , if you are needing reading glasses and not for distance, get a pair in the pharmacy at most any store. Am sending you an email.

MEGA-SIGH! I just finished reading "The Book of Adam and Eve" on my Kindle that Lovisa talked about in a previous post. Had to get this posted here right way.

The good part is:  It was full of formatting and spelling errors that I was mostly able to work through.

The not so good part:  It reads like an ADD riddled teenager on crack who stumbled into a deep dark forest, tripped on a root, and fell face first, mouth wide open, into a big patch of magic mushrooms. He chewed and swallowed a bunch of 'em then he proceeded to have himself a big "ah-ha" moment.

It was a "pinball machine" story . . . and my head was the little steel ball going, ding, ding, ding!

Read it for fun, but use a whole truck-load of discretion if you do. I wouldn't rely on it for fact checking anything in the Bible. The thing contradicts itself six ways to Sunday in so places and on multiple subjects. It was a fun read - once - however it just got itself removed from my Kindle never to be read again, at least by me.

Sorry but I didn't get anything useful to this thread from it. I did try though.

Well, that's my 42 cents worth (inflation) on it!

I'm not very far after lots of reading, looking.  I've got a couple things:

I added the years from Adam to the flood from the Septuagint, Compiled from the Translation by Sir Lancelot C. L. Brenton 1851, and  came up with 2242 years from the creation of Adam.


If it is as simple as subtracting 2242 years from 4000 years, the answer would be 1758 bc. for the date of the flood.



I'll stop there for now and wait for feedback.  Am I missing something obvious? as this is not a number we see.
I mean if we draw out a timeline and start at the far left, counting years from 0 headed to the right, to 1 bc.

I can't wait to hear if there really is a very good reason I don't do numbers. lol.

Doesn't work. Looks like you mixed Bishop Uhsler's (sp) timeline with the Septuagint timelines if I understood you right. They are two different animals.

Wasn't Abraham born around 2000-ish BC? Right there we have a problem with a flood at 1758 BC. That would put the flood around 260-ish years after Abraham - probably well into the Jacob & Joseph in Egypt lifetimes.

Or . .  . did I read something wrong? I might have missed something.

This is the Septuagint I used.  http://www.ecmarsh.com/lxx/Genesis/index.htm
You know...since Greek is all Greek to me. LOL.

What source should I be using, please and thank you?


Also, I found a portion of Newton's "The Chronology of Ancient Kingdoms Amended" here:
http://www.bookyards.com/en/book/details/11665/The-Chronology-Of-Ancient-Kingdoms#
free pdf download.

I only read a few paragraphs following the glowing kiss up to the Queen.  Suffice it to say he was
very upset with how scripture had been translated through the years. 
Again this was another text later amended by him and not published till after his death. (they say)

Some might not know that the work he did on the 'end of the age' put it at 2060 in his first published work on it.  It was many years later, after his death,  that revised notes surfaced that indicated he had reconsidered and was leaning to 2012. (right?) If no one remembers, I'll go thru David's work sometime soon.

And this, for interest's sake.http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/246612/jewish/Abraham.htm
I'm assuming this is 'traditions' and not part of any 'official Hebraic text', but look at all that is assigned to Abraham.  Amazing.

Dove wrote:

What source should I be using, please and thank you?

Good question, one I have no ready answer for. I'm doin' my best though, just like you are, trying to figure that out. Take a look at the link below. We aren't the only ones working on this problem and we probably won't be the last. I think you might find the link interesting. It goes to another forum of peeps working on the same thing we here are trying to work out. I'm finding it interesting reading.

https://tentmaker.org/forum/lounge/hebrew-masoretic-vs-greek-septuagint-timeline/

I downloaded the Newton chronological timeline book you mentioned. Didn't do me a lot of good. HARD (nearly impossible) to read and besides it started out at around 1100 BC, way after where we are looking and is more about European and Greek history. As smart as Newton was you'd think he would have done a few timeline charts somewhere along the line.

Hope you get something from that tentmaker link. The folks on that forum have really done some hard work. Kudos to them.

Found something else on the Septuagint time line over on Scribd. I can only see the first page as I don't have a subscription over there however that page starts with the creation and according to the Septuagint time line the year of creation was 5501 BC. Puts the flood at 3239 BC. That would place this year 2017, 7518 years from creation. I was going to try to chart this myself from your link to the online Septuagint but the Scribd article saved you/me/us the trouble. Link below.

https://www.scribd.com/document/115910365/Bible-Timeline-Septuagint

you guys are great...keep going for me because i am having more health issues....lol, i planned on being being a starter but i guess i am going to have sit this game one out, at the rate you guys have jumped on this....i'm sorry but i just can't concentrate and focus right now....i have never had blood pressure problems, but the last two days, it has went airborne....it has started back down, but we are checking it every 30 minutes....this has never happened before and its strange because i feel fine except for a kinda' weird feeling in my face....unlike most folks, i kinda' look forward to dying, just so i can get all of this stuff straight and find out the whole truth and nothing but the truth.....i would really look forward to it if there was some way to holler back at ya'll and let ya'll in on it

Hugs and prayers, Michael.

"i would really look forward to it if there was some way to holler back at ya'll and let ya'll in on it"
Wouldn't that be great!

Ok, I found it.  In the Leningrad Codex. We're all set.  Genesis chapter 5:

I don't have anything yet but a direction, I suppose.  Gee, "life" is really good at throwing distractions!

I plan on staying with the generations from Adam and determining whether the Septuagint count of 200 + years is correct, or the AKJV and KJV of 100+ years is correct, in order to set a date for the flood.
There are a couple clues that help take us there and onward to Babylon.

One thing I read concerning Egypt was the marine fossil record that exists under the pyramid, indicating they were post-flood.  But considering the location of the pyramids and the frequent Nile flooding, I don't know as that's any kind of valid argument.

Oh well.  Maybe in another month or so....

http://www.ancient-origins.net/history/there-natural-explanation-unnatural-ages-genesis-008590
Here is a little info.

In sum, Rydberg’s paper suggests that the numbers in Genesis 5 were originally an astronomical table, but when Greek calendars made the jubilee calendars obsolete these numbers were used to reconcile the histories of the Hebrews with the Babylonians in the Masoretic text, and with the Egyptians in the Septuagint.

That was an interesting link WDN, but impossible for me to vet.  I don't think anyone can, and the article stated his view was controversial.

Here's an amazing synopsis of why any assurance of dates that we might have begs to include an element of faith.  Yet we're well inside the ballpark with our contemporary references.
http://www.bible-researcher.com/thackeray.lxx.html

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It is the Septuagint (presumably the LXX, and for sure the amended LXX) that adds 100 years to the pre-fatherhood age of Adam and his generations.


Because ancient Bible history is his forte, I've been listening to Dr. Ken Johnson, though I'm only on the first video of 3.
Beginning at 26 minutes he starts into Genesis 5, and duly notes the discrepancies.

"Today we continue our study on Genesis chronology and the Dead Sea Scrolls. We compare Genesis 11 with the Seder Olam, Book of Jasher, the School of Elijah, and other Jewish history.
The years from the Creation of the world to Noah’s flood were 1,656 and from Creation to Abraham was 1,948 years. Next week we will study Noah from Genesis 9 and study the Noahide Laws."

Other videos at the link go on past the flood.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHtZb_FT4K4

Watched the first 2 videos and he basically says there is nothing wrong with the Masoretic  text.
I Timothy 1:4
‭Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: ‭so do‭.‭

I would have to listen again to maybe determine if he was speaking specifically or generally , WDN, as I didn't catch that the first time.  And honestly I think I'm done with this chronology for the sake of moving on.

This is a search with no definitive answer.  IMO we are destined to accept the general consensus which seems to be that the genealogy in the KJversions have the most substantial historical support.  And is there really any choice except to accept the majority consensus in this matter?

And thank you Lord for reminding Paul of his mission.



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Looks like maybe we've carried this topic to it's ending. I've sure learned a lot from it. I'm setting a timer for one month from today (22 Sept.) in my calendar to remove this from pinned to normal status unless something is being said or posted to make it take off again. This has been a bottle rocket topic and I've had a ton of fun and learning because of all y'all great peeps who posted to it.

I was talking on PM with Dove a while back and I had this to say to her:

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I wonder if we've pretty much exhausted the Masoritic vs Hebraic text thread? Maybe we aren't meant to know the timeline? It's that "no man knows the day or the hour" thingy that's bugging me about this. Maybe it is God's doing to allow it to be confused . . .  like rapture timing perhaps, hmmmm? We are told we would know the "season" though and I think winter is arriving soon. I'm not referring to the weather here and I do think we are close close close, on the cusp of the final days before Yeshua comes back. We may actually be in it! I know that's a hard sell for a pre-tribber, but, well maybe???

nooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!...not yet....i just got my new glasses today and i can see again.....i am adjusting to bp medicine and i have not felt well today, but i did look up some stuff...don't be hasty because this is interesting stuff

Gotta month, Michael, and like I said, if the topic picks up again that removal date can be altered and/or ignored. It's in the interest of keeping really debated topics alive that I might be pinning a few more things in the future. We have a few VERY PROLIFIC daily posters and really in depth discussion deserving topics are always seeming to get pushed to the bottom of the page BEFORE they even get a good chance for discussion. They get missed . . . ALL TO OFTEN. Pinned items at least have a chance for debate before disappearing off the front page. Call it "temporary pinning" probably for no more than a month or so. Someone suggesting a pin for a hot and serious study subject and/or debated topic can always ask for a temporary pin.

That's a good idea.  Another that might work is a DATED "Daily Spring" and a "Daily Colonel" thread where each new post in the thread is given it's own title, and can be commented on normally, and would automatically be bumped with each new entry throughout the day.
Mr. Researcher can always 'break out' a subject that develops legs.  (more work for you)

There already is the option to 'start watching this topic' button at the bottom of each thread.  We can click that and be notified each time a new entry is made, whether we've posted in it or not.
Then click the diamond beside the name of last person posting to go directly to the latest post.(on the far right of the topic page)

Fuku, antartica, cern and such already have enough traffic to hold their own on the open list, and  can be located by anyone with a simple search.

The one thing I would NOT want to do is put a daily thread 'above the line' like we used to have for 'news'.  Too much bouncing back and forth for these old eyes, or trying to remember which area a piece of info was in..

And just to mention, probably everyone knows, one can search for a poster's threads also, using advanced search, in order to locate specific info.

I have a crazy old book that says Job built the pyramids.

Well peeps, the time has come to unpin this topic. Looks like we've taken it as far as it'll go. It was a great study, it gave us much to think about, and we learned much. It'll always be available in the general discussion section of the forum should someone with new insight wish to comment in the future.

Don't forget that y'all can always ask for a temporary pin for serious ongoing topics that need to stay visible and active on the front page.

I don't really have a stake in this regarding whether the pyramids were before or after but I think their opening premise might be flawed. The pyramid used to have casing stones, which have been removed, so it wouldn't have water damage on the outside. It does however have salt crustastion, and fossilized shellfish on the inside. I think there was even a fossilized sealion? It was built on bedrock so I'm not sure about there being fossils underneath it. Dinosaur fossils are presumably 20 miles deep, that's Marianas trench deep. If the flood put that down then it raises a lot of questions as to how the crust could be above water and have 20miles added to it.

I agree with the conclusion though, the masoretic was a deliberate rewrite. I think we can avoid the premise and use the Berlin Pedestal (Stellae 21687) to get a working date for the Egyptian captivity because it describes Israelite's being sold into slavery. One of the church fathers, forget which, also talked about them rewriting the Bible to avoid Jesus.

Extra biblical texts put Shem as a po

Sansanoy wrote:

I don't really have a stake in this regarding whether the pyramids were before or after but I think their opening premise might be flawed. The pyramid used to have casing stones, which have been removed, so it wouldn't have water damage on the outside. It does however have salt crustastion, and fossilized shellfish on the inside.

I tend to agree with this. I've said before on this forum (many years ago) that I think it was covered completely in the Noah flood for a short time then as the waters receded it maybe sat half way flooded for who knows how long before the Mediterranean sea assumed the level it is currently at. I called the salt incrustation line inside, "the worlds worse bathtub ring". I've never seen any evidence of fossilized shellfish inside and certainly nothing approaching a sea lion. I would welcome seeing any photos of those shell fish fossils if anyone has some.

Since a pre-adamic flood is alluded to in scripture and the inner stone is mostly limestone (a sedimentary rock) I don't have a problem with finding fossilized shellfish inside. They could have been already embedded at the first flood and when the stone was quarried sometime between Adam and Noah's second flood the fossils were there in the stone already.

Anyway, the main focus was the topic of corrupted masoretic text and Jewish skullduggery and nobody seemed to focus on the pyramids much. Does make one go hmmmmm though.

I couldn't find the site where I read that about there being shellfish and a carbon dateable sea lion (I think it was a sea lion). It was a really good site dedicated to the great pyramid. That's hard to find because many go and turn it into a space ship or something.

The only thing I could find was a sea urchin. https://www.ancient-code.com/fossil-suggests-that-the-pyramids-of-egypt-and-the-sphinx-were-once-submerged-under-water/

I found the site just not the sea lion. http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/Ghizawhen.htm
It was silt sediments around the base that had the sea shells. Scroll down 2/3 or search " Flood 'Events': " on that page. The "sea lion" wasn't mentioned in his carbon 14 dating section either. I wish I could remember what sea creature it actually was so I could search for it.

Thank you all for these posts here which will be used in expanding my knowledge!

I'm about 70% done...

Thanks researcher for re-posting those video's I remember them and will download and watch again.

Special thanks for Scarz and Dove for both your posts have quite a bit of NEW stuff for me to re-read in a quiet time so I can retain more and maybe question or replace some past information as I also seek the truth and accuracy!

Dave

*... sure wished i had time to indepth all of this.  with no home 'puter, kinda makes it all very difficult.  i will view some of the shorter videos and stuff on this subject as far as i can.  i've heard bits and pieces of the subject matter before, so that'll help.  more and more, i do not trust the masoretic text entirely.  so, i use alternate sources in my personal studies.  this may chagrin some, the KJV only bunch especially, but i have found, at my lay level, that running the septuagint material thru the latin can be useful, as the latin can and does bring out subtle nuances of the greek.  good thread...