The beast and the flood.

First of all I would like to apologize because I'm going to spark some interest but then it's just going to end because I don't know what to do with it.

Lets do a little roleplay. I'm a 2nd Century Jew Reading Revelation 20. When I read in verse 10...

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"and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

I'm going to recall Enoch, which predates Revelation by a few centuries which says in chapter 10....

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"Bind Azazel hand and foot; cast him into darkness; and opening the desert which is in Dudael, cast him in there..... And in the great day of judgment let him be cast into the fire."

All good right?

Okay what happens when I read Revelation chapter 20:2...

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"And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years,"

Well, I'm going to recall Enoch, which predates Revelation by a few centuries which says in chapter 10....

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"Bind Azâzêl hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening in the desert, which is in Dûdâêl, and cast him therein. 5. And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him abide there for ever, and cover his face that he may not see light. 6. And on the day of the great judgement he shall be cast into the fire"

And now it's all gone to heck. As a second temple Jew I have to think backwards to Noahs time rather than forwards. Now that is not to say that Revelation is actually recalling the past, but it might be using it. Revelation does seem to reinvent fulfilled OT prophecy like that Zechariah 6:5 to speak of future events. So if that is happening here with the Enochian content then it may a clue to seeing this future prophecy in light of the antediluvian past.

I must be missing something if you're feeling perplexed, because that all made sense to me.  Even the 'backwards' revealing the future.  And I'd call your last paragraph a rightful conclusion.   I just wondered where Dudael is.

And Enoch is prophetic as well?  Or doubly prophetic?  Future and distant future?

Dudael is probably the part of the desert where the goat for Azazel is sent of a cliff. One of the weirdest parts of Enoch is that Azazel is said to nourish the earth. I read a journal article about fasting called the "Nourishment of Azazel" and it seems to pit earthly food against spiritual food perhaps for that very reason.

My first instinct was to try to imagine this section of revelation as looking backwards, but Daniel counts forward with the beasts, and revelation is pinpointing Daniels last beast and describing it in greater detail. There are all these little pieces in revelation of prophecies that get reused. They are sometimes even contradictory like in the OT a river dries up for the Jews to come home, and in Revelation the river drys up so that the king of the east can come against Israel. So maybe the best way to view it is that it's a literary form that tells a story through the OT prophecy themes. I guess the purpose would be to add an extra layer of understanding to content and put your mind in a certain perspective. So in this case the perspective would be, "like the times of Noah". 

Yeah there could be some foreshadowing in Enoch, I'll have to read through it again.

you might want to consider a pole shift that occurred during the flood and dudael might be somewhere else instead of where it once was, such as,say, antarctica.....scarz needs to bring his last post over here in this thread....i think we can grab a coke and some tater chips and talk a while.....the problem is that we don't know exactly what happened and we cannot trust geologists and archeologists, but i think my theory might make a lot sense....i just don't have time for a couple days to write it down....keep this at the top and don't let it get lost,please!

Sansanoy said, Dudael is probably the part of the desert where the goat for Azazel is sent of a cliff.


Right.  I remember now. My apologies for just jumping in without putting my mind into the information before speaking.  
To be honest, I was more thinking just to get in a response to acknowledge your post and give it a bump.  Good intentions gone wayward. Sorry.     Carry on!  

wherever it is,dove, they are covered in "hurled and pointed stones"....i have to go back up in the attic this afternoon, so dove, just for shits and giggles, if you have time would you look up "hurled" and "pointed" in the strongs exhaustive concordance, and post what it says about those two phrases?...its available online and i'll look at what you found later tonight....the common idea is that they would be stones that are thrown and jagged/sharp, but in the hebrew, that might not be the case....there will be no reference # for words from enoch

hurl:  שָׁלַךְ shâlak, shaw-lak; a primitive root; to throw out, down or away (literally or figuratively):—adventure, cast (away, down, forth, off, out), hurl, pluck, throw.


pointed:  H2742  matches the Hebrew חָרוּץ (charuwts),
which occurs 18 times in 17 verses in the Hebrew concordance of the KJV

Showing as both sharp pointed things, and as 'dug out' like a ditch.
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I had been wondering if it was the same as the later named Sheol, (the garbage dump or the dung heap) and ran into a big thread on Above Top Secret about Dudael 

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread978190/pg1

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So Dudael was originally, Babel. If you've read my stargate research, this is yet more evidence that the bottomless pit/abyss/babel (gate of god), was not just a high structure, it contained a hole/a gate from which things emerged and into which, things were sent / hurled / etc. 


And Part 2:


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread314423/pg2



A quote from page 2


To answer the original question, the place Dudael that you're asking about was located in upper Egypt. This is confirmed in the Book Of Tobit, but you can find the info detailed on a number of websites as well. Obviously this is not just a reference to a physical place, but to an astral Gate or portal as well. Because Azazel was not merely thrown under a bunch of sand in a desert, which he could've easily escaped due to his angelic powers. He was tossed through a Gate into a completely different dimension. 

thanks dove!!...ima' gonna' look at this a few minutes before i let my dogs out to run, lol, WALK around....they are like me in that their running days are about over

https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/antarctica-mountains.html

https://hope-of-israel.org/azazell.htm

http://trueancienthistory.blogspot.com/2013/07/azazel-and-book-of-enoch_3.html

http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/2203-azazel

I think the OP on ATS is walking the question backwards from the end, rather than let it go on its own. If we say "the desert of Dudadel" then we do get a Ha because Ha denotes the definite article (the). So "hadudo" makes sense, "the Dudo". We don't need to overlay hadad onto it. So we just have dud, which means kettle or cauldron. So "kettle of God..." which makes sense either by the story or the hot location. The place could be called dudadel because of this account in Enoch. Like many places in the old testament it may be given the, relatively speaking, modern name rather than the name within the time period in question.

His use of Hadudo as his starting point comes from Mishna Yoma 6:8 which places it as 3 milin from Jerusalem. So his starting point is a place that is not Babel that he just changes into Hadad.