Remember I said something was wrong with the fire in Denver area "Black Forest"

It seems intentional to force people from areas, I felt this last time too.
This from Steve's alerts:
http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=421




TRUTH AVOIDANCE BY LAW ENFORCEMENT CONCERNING BLACK FOREST FIRE:WHO IS INTENTIONALLY BURNING HOMES?

Steve,
I live in the Denver Metro Area, about 40 miles north and west of the Black
Forest Fire.
We are getting spotty tv coverage of the Black Forest Fire. Lots of
interviews, mostly with the Elbert County Sheriff (containing lots of
"jargon" ..type 1 tankers, type 3 crisis management team, etc.), very
little aerial overview.
The overview I have seen, shows (apparently) unconnected pockets of fire.
Houses burning with surrounding vegetation un scathed. The "talking heads"
have no comment about the anomalous nature of the fire. TV coverage of the
actual burn is very limited, and appears edited to show tankers, smoke in
the distance, etc., but not sufficient detail for an average viewer to draw
his/her own conclusions. The governor was on-site last night. He didn't
appear to know quite what to say, and had a look on his face like a man who
had just found something repulsive in his drink.

Jun 13, 2013

Oh my... Where to begin.

First, I want to make it well known that I truly appreciate you Spring! Always have, always will.  You are the messenger here, so please do not take any of this personally, it is not towards you in any way.

That said, I do not know who writes into SQ, where they come from and what their basis is.  The person who wrote in above either has no TV, does not actually live in Denver, lives in a very finite fantasy world, or all of the above.  We in Denver are not short of coverage on this, or the other two fires currently burning along the front range, by any stretch of the imagination.  Let me just make it clear...this is real.  I have watched planes and heli's heading in different directions between fill up and dump off for these fires over the past couple days.  When the winds shifted the right way, the smoke filled the sky along with that particular forest fire smell...kind of like everyone burning wood fireplaces at once if you have never smelled it.  We have friends affected by the evacuations and have been in touch with them as they pack their lives into their cars just in case they have to split asap.  They were allowed back today, btw, praise Jesus.

I feel for the family and loved ones of the two people who were found burned at their home, car parked backward in the driveway with belongings getting ready to escape.  They were caught when the winds shifted and could not get away.

Yes, the fire is suspected to have been started by a stray cigarette.  People don't think.  While it is possible the cig may have been thrown in a designated place by a designated person to burn off a random, sparsely populated section of the state that happens to have homes built in and amongst the forest, there is no theoretical benefit to a planned burn here.  It could also just be the excuse, I understand this.  In this scenario, it could be a distraction at best.  (Unless, the couple who were killed were the targets of the whole thing ...if it turns out that they were ready to testify about LIBOR or Monsanto or the IRS or made the fake birth certificate or something, I reserve the right to change my mind on this...just saying)

It also could have been touched off by lightning in any of the dry thunderstorms we get here.  This is Colorado...much like the rest of the semi-arid west, we do get fires and we are in drought conditions.  The area itself is rocky outcroppings mixed with pine trees and surrounded by grassland...(a quasi-malicious child wielding a magnifying glass could cause major damage here)...not a good combination in arid times, but an easy explanation of the "pockets of fire" description.  Anyone who has lived here, or driven through, knows that the area in between Denver and Colorado Springs is mostly like that.

The comments by our governor are really par for the course.  He kind of looks like that most of the time anyway, so nothing new there either.  This is a man who pre-empted all TV stations a month ago to weakly ramble on for 15 minutes about not enforcing the death penalty on a person convicted and sentenced to death for slaughtering 5 people in a Chuck E Cheese 20+ years ago.  He looked like a dolt then, so I'm not surprised he did in a presser regarding an actual emergency as well.

I trust you fishesnloaves, thanks for the eyewitness report!

I just came from Denver and barely missed the fire. However, when I talked to my brother to tell him we'd arrived home safely, he said the smoke was so thick that it was darkening the sun (and he lives north of town).

It was very strange: the temperature was 97 on Monday in the metro area and only 82 in Kentucky. This time last year Kentucky's temps were well above a hundred degrees already with 90% humidity and Denver was still in the 80s.

The temps are unusual, but fire in Colorado is a fact of life, and people who build homes in the trees - especially bug-killed trees - should be constantly prepared to evacuate. It's a sad truth.

No problem, just report what I find.
I am suspicious though in regard to the amount of guard / military involvement.
Do be wary about these events because we all know from past staging can look very real, that's all I'm pointing out.
Thanks for the info!

spring2 wrote:

No problem, just report what I find.
I am suspicious though in regard to the amount of guard / military involvement.
Do be wary about these events because we all know from past staging can look very real, that's all I'm pointing out.
Thanks for the info!

I do remember reading somewhere that setting numerous forest fires simultaneously was somewhere on a musloid jihad website. But, obviously the weather was conducive for fires. Maybe they're just slick enough to wait for proper conditions in an attempt to blend them in with naturally occurring blazes. Just thinking out loud, anyway.

Yes I think that was mentioned from DHS article.
Maybe the reason one person saw black suv's headed in.. ?looking?.

I think it is part of the Agenda 21 program to depopulate the rural and wilderness areas ie get rid of homes.. don't allow rebuilding (you know long wait on insurance or permits etc) and the Agenda 21 plan is to force people into preplanned city areas into controlled work, travel and living environments with surveilance etc. and a true prison planet life style.
It's that mission creep thing or baby steps to accomplish this and you see more use of the military in one form or another to acclimate you all to "we know what is good for you so follow directions" and they always try asking for guns and other things they don't want you to have to use in fighting back.

It's working so far... and I don't think you will see much of a push back.

Do a thorough job of investigating Agenda 21, and also the~One~Bay-Area which seems to be the first model attempt at implimenting. I personally know someone who was working on new light rail line surveying and construction of, in the~Bay-Area (S.F.,-Oakland~Bay-Area) which is being planned and built because of this ~One~Bay-Area Planning~

Much of the area is now officially a crime scene. The 'official' Goebel explanation has changed at least 3 times today that I'm aware of.

And now there is a homicide so some cannot re-enter their area.

I would like to possibly exercise the right I held from my above comments regarding the identity of the couple killed in the fire. 

fishesnloaves wrote: wrote:

 (Unless, the couple who were killed were the targets of the whole thing ...if it turns out that they were ready to testify about LIBOR or Monsanto or the IRS or made the fake birth certificate or something, I reserve the right to change my mind on this...just saying)

OR worked for the US Air Force developing programs for satellite imagery and control...

Here is from the local news reports today (emphasis in the article mine):

BLACK FOREST, Colo. - The couple killed in the Black Forest Fire, the most destructive fire in state history, was identified Tuesday afternoon by the El Paso County Coroner and Sheriff's Office.
Marc Allen Herklotz, 52, and Robin Lauran Herklotz, 50, lived in a two-story home on nearly 3-acres of land at 6720 Jicarilla Drive in Black Forest. That property was included on the first list of homes lost to the fire.

On Tuesday, Sheriff Terry Maketa said the coroner had to call in additional help because there was "very little to work with."

The couple was identified through a cooperative effort between Forensic Odontologist Dr. Joe Gentile and El Paso County Coroner Dr. Robert Bux. An Ondotonologist is a forensic dentist who uses dental records to identify remains.

"We extend our deepest sympathy to the family and friends they leave behind," the sheriff's office wrote.

Last week, Maketa said the couple was found in the garage with the car doors open. Maketa said they appeared to be in the process of evacuating.

Marc Herklotz and Robin Herklotz were longtime civilian employees of the Air Force Space Command at Schriever Air Force Base, "supporting critical air, space and cyberspace operational missions," the Air Force said in a statement Tuesday.

Marc Herklotz was hailed as the high-tech "wizard" who developed a program called SCOPES -- for Space Common Operating Picture Exploitation System --  to "track satellites and their visibility to ground stations located around the world," according to a report, "The Strategic Nature of the Tactical Satellite," published by the Airpower Research Institute and other satellite technology publications.

"The men and women of Air Force Space Command are saddened by the loss of these two members of our AFSPC family," said General William L. Shelton, AFSPC Commander.  "I extend my deepest condolences to the family and friends of Marc and Robin during this very difficult time. Our thoughts and prayers are with you."

After receiving confirmation of the deaths, chaplains, commanders and grief counselors were called into support the couple's colleagues, officials said.  

Marc Herklotz entered the Air Force in 1983 and served with the 2nd Satellite Control Squadron, at Peterson Air Force Base until 1987.  He returned to the Air Force as a civil servant in 1996 and most recently worked at Schriever AFB in the Innovation Division of the Air, Space and Cyberspace Operations Directorate of AFSPC.

Robin Herklotz was employed by a government contractor as a systems engineer in the same office as her husband at Schriever AFB.

El Paso County officials and members of the Air Force Office of Special Investigations are investigating their deaths, according to the statement issued by Peterson Air Force Base.

OK, so the question is, why is Air Force Office of Special Investigations involved if the couple were truly just caught trying to escape the fire.  Their house was also on the first list of those identified as destroyed, so the fire began close to them.  They were also found in the garage (concrete floor), but there "wasn't much to work with".  It does raise some curious questions...

fishesnloaves:
First thing I've read on the subject that's made any sense. Reminds me of a "murder-suicide" last year of a couple that both worked at CENTCOM in Tampa as Russian translators.

fishesnloaves wrote:

I would like to possibly exercise the right I held from my above comments regarding the identity of the couple killed in the fire. 

fishesnloaves wrote: wrote:

 (Unless, the couple who were killed were the targets of the whole thing ...if it turns out that they were ready to testify about LIBOR or Monsanto or the IRS or made the fake birth certificate or something, I reserve the right to change my mind on this...just saying)

OR worked for the US Air Force developing programs for satellite imagery and control...

Here is from the local news reports today (emphasis in the article mine):

BLACK FOREST, Colo. - The couple killed in the Black Forest Fire, the most destructive fire in state history, was identified Tuesday afternoon by the El Paso County Coroner and Sheriff's Office.
Marc Allen Herklotz, 52, and Robin Lauran Herklotz, 50, lived in a two-story home on nearly 3-acres of land at 6720 Jicarilla Drive in Black Forest. That property was included on the first list of homes lost to the fire.

On Tuesday, Sheriff Terry Maketa said the coroner had to call in additional help because there was "very little to work with."

The couple was identified through a cooperative effort between Forensic Odontologist Dr. Joe Gentile and El Paso County Coroner Dr. Robert Bux. An Ondotonologist is a forensic dentist who uses dental records to identify remains.

"We extend our deepest sympathy to the family and friends they leave behind," the sheriff's office wrote.

Last week, Maketa said the couple was found in the garage with the car doors open. Maketa said they appeared to be in the process of evacuating.

Marc Herklotz and Robin Herklotz were longtime civilian employees of the Air Force Space Command at Schriever Air Force Base, "supporting critical air, space and cyberspace operational missions," the Air Force said in a statement Tuesday.

Marc Herklotz was hailed as the high-tech "wizard" who developed a program called SCOPES -- for Space Common Operating Picture Exploitation System --  to "track satellites and their visibility to ground stations located around the world," according to a report, "The Strategic Nature of the Tactical Satellite," published by the Airpower Research Institute and other satellite technology publications.

"The men and women of Air Force Space Command are saddened by the loss of these two members of our AFSPC family," said General William L. Shelton, AFSPC Commander.  "I extend my deepest condolences to the family and friends of Marc and Robin during this very difficult time. Our thoughts and prayers are with you."

After receiving confirmation of the deaths, chaplains, commanders and grief counselors were called into support the couple's colleagues, officials said.  

Marc Herklotz entered the Air Force in 1983 and served with the 2nd Satellite Control Squadron, at Peterson Air Force Base until 1987.  He returned to the Air Force as a civil servant in 1996 and most recently worked at Schriever AFB in the Innovation Division of the Air, Space and Cyberspace Operations Directorate of AFSPC.

Robin Herklotz was employed by a government contractor as a systems engineer in the same office as her husband at Schriever AFB.

El Paso County officials and members of the Air Force Office of Special Investigations are investigating their deaths, according to the statement issued by Peterson Air Force Base.

OK, so the question is, why is Air Force Office of Special Investigations involved if the couple were truly just caught trying to escape the fire.  Their house was also on the first list of those identified as destroyed, so the fire began close to them.  They were also found in the garage (concrete floor), but there "wasn't much to work with".  It does raise some curious questions...

Spring, that part of Agen 21 has a name , "Project REWILDING". I remember seeing a map over 10 yrs ago of ALL the nations with major sections of land set aside for "no one" to live in. Habitable areas were organized and color coded for living in. (can't remember what it all detailed on the map anymore). There was also a code for what foreign troops occupied each nation. If I remember correctly we had china and Russia for certain regions. Now adays that map I remember does not seem so ridiculous. As I searched today for "rewilding", I came upon this site and the below comments make more sense.

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/rewilding/


"There was a statement made at the time: 'Before the earth was overpopulated, there was a law of the jungle where only the fittest survived.' You had to be able to protect yourself against the elements and wild animals and disease. And if you were fit, you survived. But now we've become so civilized – we're over civilized – and the unfit are enabled to survive, only at the expense of those who are more fit..."
— Dr. Richard Day as quoted by Lawrence Dunegan, New Order of the Barbarians

By Jackie Patru
"The Rewilding Project is brought to us from the United Nations. A relevant tentacle of Agenda 21, the Rewilding Project is designed to restore a major portion of the planet to its 'original' state before man came along and messed it all up."

"Step by step, piece by piece, the Wildlands Project is coming to fruition. The Project, foundational to the U.N.Biodiversity Treaty which was never ratified by the U.S. Senate, calls for approximately 50 percent of the United States to be set aside as "wildlands", where no human can enter."

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'Striking rise in Western U.S. wildfires may be caused by elements other than nature'
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An expert on Islamic terrorism believes the wildfire that ravaged the outskirts of Colorado Springs, killing two people and destroying more than 500 homes, should be examined by terror investigators.
That’s because of the history of threats from al-Qaida and others to burn America’s forests.

The local Gazette newspaper reported officials heading into the weekend have not stated what they believe caused the fire.
Authorities in El Paso County said they are focusing on a very tiny spot in their hunt for the reason the flames erupted in the mature stand of Ponderosa pines. The fire moved quickly out of control and incinerated homes and people alike with temperatures up to 2,500 degrees.
“One thing that my investigators have given me the authority to state is that they have all but ruled out natural causes as the cause of this fire,” said Sheriff Terry Maketa. “I can’t really go any further on that, but I can say we are pretty confident it was not, for instance, a lightning strike.”
The causes for most forest fires are limited to electrical problems, campfires or grills that get out of control, accidents such as a car fire and sparks from chain saws or other back-country tools.
Those causes, to an expert investigator, are readily identifiable.
But authorities said they were focusing on a 28-foot square patch where they believe the fire started, examining some portions with a magnifying glass.
At the American Center for Democracy, noted terror funding expert Rachel Ehrenfeld suggested circumstances are a little suspicious.
Ehrenfeld, once targeted by a Saudi official with a foreign lawsuit over her work in the United States, was the reason the “Securing the Protection of our Enduring and Established Constitution Heritage Act” was adopted by Congress.

Palestinian jihadist group claims credit for Arizona wildfire

Read more: http://www.longwarjournal.org/threat-matrix/archives/2013/07/masadat_al_mujahideen_claims_c.php#ixzz2YNv9GaiH


I'm trying to find a better article but I've been told by someone who would know that they are in fact deliberately setting a lot of them. Of course with lightning strikes, heat, and dry conditions the area will experience fires naturally as well. Just because they claim they're doing it doesn't necessarily mean they've done it, but how long have we known of non-Mexicans sneaking across the border? Quite awhile now.
 
Naturally since barry the great singlehandedly ended the war on terror J Goebbels Carney will not allow big sis tell us of such things because its not something we need to know.