Why is Sunday the Mark?

It really quite simple at to why Satan would pick Sunday as the mark. But since Satan also controls most preachers today, most people don't know about this - and it's easily found in their very own Bibles.

Billetman, i did a lot of looking into SUN-day a few years ago...let me watch the video before i comment any further because my view has been proven to not be a popular view....i did not expect to find what i did and it caused some problems for some folks.

would ya'll keep this thread bumped up so it does not get lost in the clutter and i forget about it

"Unpopular" is an understatement! I firmly believe that keeping the 4th commandment is essential, and it wasn't "done away with" as so many have been taught. This is all a major part of satan's plan to draw away as many as he can from the Truth.
Read your Bible!

michael371
Even if you don't feel your view is popular I still want to hear it, you may see something differently and a few may have an ahaa moment with something you say or show us. 
I value everyone's perspective and knowledge!!!

spring2 wrote:

michael371
Even if you don't feel your view is popular I still want to hear it, you may see something differently and a few may have an ahaa moment with something you say or show us. 
I value everyone's perspective and knowledge!!!

Amen. Don't worry about seeking the approval from the deceived mainstream. Most are uninterested in hearing anything the differs from what their pastor tells them, and are unwilling to do any research on their own.

Most popular views mean very,very little to me. As we all know the most popular of anything is the road most traveled........This always reminds me of Jesus Christ words........"Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many.........For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few." (Matthew 7:13-14)

Matthew 5: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.


When was 'EVERYTHING' accomplished?  Jesus told us right before He died.  He said, IT IS FINISHED.


Jesus,  said in Mark 2:  Mark 2:23-28 23One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and as his disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain. 24The Pharisees said to him, "Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?" 25He answered, "Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? 26In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions." 
27Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28So the Son of Man is LORD even of the Sabbath."

James, said in James 2:10    “For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.”


Galatians 4:4 4 but when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5 to redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. 6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

Galatians 3:
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. 
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

I can go on.  There is much more PROOF to be had.

Our own Messiah Yeshua HaMashiach (Jesus Christ) told us very clearly that he  did not come to destroy, nullify, or do away with his Father’s Law, he came to do  it,  and  to be an example for us, to also do it.

Mat 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I  have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.  Mat 5:18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota,  not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.


Mat 5:19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and  teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but  whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of  heaven.


(Note: Heaven and earth do not pass away, and all things are not accomplished  until Revelation chapter 21.)

It is written that those who do not keep his commandments are liars, and the truth  is not in them.  We are commanded to pick up our crosses and follow him and to  walk as he walked:

“1Jn 2:4  Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a  liar, and the truth is not in him,  1Jn 2:5  but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By  this we may know that we are in him:  1Jn 2:6  whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which  he walked.”

If the Law is Sufficient then why the Cross?  And why did Jesus violate the rules of the Sabbath?
Think about that.  Jesus violated the Sabbath, more than once.  

Why did God make a New Covenant with man at all?  

Why would God be so cruel as to obliterate the temple if Sabbath keeping was the only way to Heaven?

If Jesus had transgressed or violated the Sabbath law or any other Divine law, He would not have been sinless and could not have been the sacrifice to take away our sins!
Yeshua died to pay the penalty of the sin of mankind. He didn't violate the Sabbath, he violated the traditions that the Pharisees had added. It was a whole complex system of traditions about Sabbath observance. Much of this was intricate and detailed; but above all it was based on their own ideas, not on what God's law really said.

The Ten Commandments and the "ordinances" are not the same thing and are separate as we can read in Luke 1:6........"And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless."

The ordinances were part of the sacrificial sanctuary service and not the moral law by telling us that the first covenant had also the ordinances as well as the Ten Commandments but in the new covenant the ordinances are gone leaving just what God wrote in stone.


Hebrews 9:1-2 .......“Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary." 

"For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the show bread; which is called the sanctuary.”


Paul uses the word ordinances in Colossians 2:14 which does consist of “meat offerings”, “drink offerings”, “new moon” festivals, “holydays” and various ceremonial “sabbaths” or “sabbath days” which are described in Colossians 2:16 and were all part of the Mosaic Law that pointed forward to the work Jesus did on the cross and hence ended at the cross as Paul says in verse 14. 


Colossians 2:14........"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;"


Colossians 2:16........"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"


As just seen in Hebrews 9:1-2, these ordinances were part of the worldly sacrificial sanctuary system which involved sin offerings, which of course were no longer necessary and were nailed to the cross when Jesus became the true Lamb of God.

Sorry but I have to disagree with the above.

Zech. 14 tells us we will celebrate the feasts days along with the sacrifices, these will both be reinstituted in the millennium (Ez.44:1-46- 46:24)
Zech 14:16-18 “And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, on them there will be no rain. If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.”

So, in essence you're saying, The Law was important to Yah in the beginning, not so important in the middle, but important again in the end.
We will all be keeping the Sabbaths and the Feast days

Surely keeping the Laws of Moses  applied to the Jews and does not apply to us Gentiles.  The Law is written in our hearts  'like a schoolmaster' if we have been taught  the 10 Commandments during our childhood years.  Maybe most of us  growing up in a family where we were made to go to Sunday school and taught them. We  knew then what was, and what is  considered right or wrong, and a yardstick on how we are to live our lives and  the reason why our countries, Great Britain and USA's laws are based on these. Jesus died to free us from the 'Curse' of the Law. It was a yoke of bondage to the Jews as they could not keep them, it was an impossibility as it would be for us too.  The Apostle Paul even said this. A lot of scripture is addressed to the Jews and not for us in this Dispensation of time. I have been reading a lot about Dispensationalism lately and it does explain a lot and makes more sense in  "Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth" as the Apostle Paul said in 2nd Timothy.   As we all know, we are in the Dispensation of Grace, up until the Rapture of the Church, then things will resort back again for the Jews who will build their Temple and accept the Anti-Christ. We are not expected to keep the Jewish feast days or Sabbaths. After the Rapture has taken place the Law will be reinstituted for the Jews, that is why it is imperative for us in this era of time to preach the gospels 'good news' of Salvation for both Jew and Gentile and how Faith and trusting   in Jesus Christ is the only requisite for Salvation now both for believing Jews and Gentiles.  Because it is so easy, people fail to accept it trying to 'Work' their way.

The Law is for all, not just for the Jews. If Messiah is in you, you are part of Israel.

Gal 3:27: For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
²⁸ There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.²⁹And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Please pray for discernment!

We Have Inherited Lies


“Take heed that no man deceive you.” These are the first words out of our Saviour’s mouth when his disciples asked him about the sign of his second coming. [url=https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Matt 24.4]Matthew 24:4[/url]. He warns that many shall be deceived. In [url=https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Matt 7.14]Matthew 7:14[/url] he told us that his way to life is a narrow way which few find. If we believe the Bible, we must realize what this means for us. If you are following the majority instead of the few, you probably need to rethink your path.
Throughout history, God’s people have always been in the minority. In the time of Noah, only eight were saved. In the time of Lot, even fewer locals were saved. In the time of Jesus, only a small percent of the Jews recognized the Messiah for which they had been waiting. In each of these instances, all the religious leaders were lost, and those who relied on their priests for direction were lost as well. This shows the folly of trusting any man, or any organized religious body, to lead you to truth. You must rely on your relationship with God and the infilling of his Holy Spirit.

Scripture warns us against those who will preach “another Jesus” and “another gospel” and that we should not be beguiled (deceived) by the serpent to corrupt our minds from “the simplicity that is in Christ”. [url=https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/2 Cor 11.3-4]2 Corinthians 11:3-4[/url]. Often people go to great lengths down twisted paths, to subvert the simplicity of clearly stated Biblical truths, so simple a little child can understand, to try to justify behavior that is contrary to scripture. They will hang their beliefs on one or two texts, often taken out of context, and ignore the weight of evidence. Peter calls those who so wrest with some of the writings of scripture “unlearned and unstable” and doing it “unto their own destruction” ([url=https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/2 Pet 3.16]2 Peter 3:16[/url]). These people are preaching and following “another Jesus” and “another gospel” whether or not they realize it. Do you want to follow the “unlearned and unstable” or do you prefer the “simplicity that is in Christ”?

It is very easy to know if you are following the true Jesus or a false god. All you have to do is see what Jesus did during his life, and what his disciples did after his death. Then compare that to what you are doing. Remember that [url=https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Acts 17.30]Acts 17:30[/url] reminds us that in the times of our ignorance, God overlooks our errors, so any error we have made in the past will not be held against us. However, if we learn truth and then deliberately turn our backs on this truth, God will allow us to believe a lie which leads to our destruction. [url=https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/2 Thess 2.10-12]2 Thessalonians 2:10-12[/url].

There are many sincere, God-loving Christians, who by innocently following the traditions of their forefathers and their church, are not following Jesus, but have fallen victim to this “other” Jesus we are warned about. We are warned against tradition as worship in vain ([url=https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Mark 7.6-13]Mark 7:6-13[/url]), yet modern Christian churches are steeped in tradition that is contrary to the example of Jesus and the early church, with many of these traditions of pagan origin. We’ve become so used to the tradition that we don’t even realize it is worship in vain. We are told in [url=https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Jer 16.19]Jeremiah 16:19[/url] that in the end times (today?) the gentiles (that’s us) would realize that they had inherited lies. Has that realization hit you yet? If not, keep reading…

Which day did God sanctify and make holy ([url=https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Gen 2.2-3]Genesis 2:2-3[/url]), Jesus keep during his ministry ([url=https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Luke 4.16]Luke 4:16[/url]), the early church keep ([url=https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Acts 18.4]Acts 18:4[/url]), and we will keep in heaven ([url=https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Isa 66.23]Isaiah 66:23[/url])? The seventh day Sabbath. Yet few people who call themselves Christians follow this example of Jesus and the early church. Many sincere Christians have come to believe that keeping Sunday is the memorial of His resurrection that He ordained, but no such teaching can be found in Scripture. In fact, we are clearly told what symbol Jesus gave as a remembrance of his burial and resurrection - baptism. ([url=https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Rom 6.2]Romans 6:2[/url], [url=https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Col 2.12]Colossians 2:12[/url]) He did not speak of another day (Hebrew 4:, especially not one that was long used for pagan sun god worship. Sun worship (worshipping on Sunday) is considered by God to be an abomination. ([url=https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Ezek 8.15-18]Ezekiel 8:15-18[/url]). Sincere believers who worship on Sunday have “inherited lies” and accidentally fallen for “another gospel”.

Regarding His memorial of the resurrection, baptism in the life of Christ and his followers was the full immersion of someone old enough to have confessed their sin and need of a redeemer ([url=https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Matt 3.16]Matthew 3:16[/url], [url=https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/John 3.23]John 3:23[/url]; [url=https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Acts 8.39]Acts 8:39[/url]). Sprinkling, especially of an infant, is nowhere to be found in Scripture, yet many churches have substituted this act for the Biblical example. If you were baptized by sprinkling, you have “inherited lies”, and have not been Biblically baptized.

Which annual holy days (holidays) did God appoint (Leviticus 23), Jesus keep ([url=https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Luke 2.41]Luke 2:41[/url], [url=https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/John 7.10]John 7:10[/url], [url=https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/John 7.37]37[/url]), the early church keep ([url=https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Acts 20.6]Acts 20:6[/url], [url=https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/1 Cor 5.8]1 Corinthians 5:8[/url]), and we will keep with Jesus in heaven ([url=https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Matt 26.29]Matthew 26:29[/url])? Passover, Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, Day of Atonement, Tabernacles. Few people who call themselves Christians follow this example of Jesus and the early church. Scripture does not record the date of Jesus’ birth, nor are we told to celebrate it. We do know by the story of Mary’s and Elizabeth’s pregnancies that he was born in the fall, probably around the Feast of Tabernacles. December 25 was the ancient winter solstice, when the sun was “reborn”. It was nine months after Eastre, a pagan fertility goddess, had become pregnant, making December 25 the birthday of a pagan sun god. Modern day “Easter” and “Christmas” are both based on pagan sun worship days, and have no basis in Scripture to be considered Christian holy days. Sincere believers who worship on Easter and Christmas have “inherited lies” and accidentally fallen for “another gospel”.

These are just a few of many more examples that could be given. For instance: 1) clean foods in Torah and [url=https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Acts 11.8]Acts 11:8[/url] versus eating health-destroying animals such as swine that God calls an abomination; 2) call no man “Father” in [url=https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Matt 23.9]Matthew 23:9[/url] versus priests being called “Father”; 3) no outside adorning with gold in [url=https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/1 Pet 3.2-4]1 Peter 3:2-4[/url] versus wearing a cross on a pendant; 4) only one intercessor between God and man in [url=https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/1 Tim 2.5]1 Timothy 2:5[/url] versus going through a priest to receive forgiveness of sin. All of these traditions are contrary to Scripture, most of them pagan in origin.

Remember that it doesn’t matter what you did in the past in sincere error. But it is gravely serious what you do once you have knowledge of the truth, that you not reject it. The honest children of God will “Choose this day whom you will serve” ([url=https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Josh 24.15]Joshua 24:15[/url]). My prayer is that you will choose the Son of God and the example of his early church, no matter the cost, no matter if no one else joins you. Search your Bible, and follow the simplicity of the example that we have been given. Pray that you go down the narrow path, break away from these “inherited lies” and not follow the “unlearned and unstable” down the wide path to destruction.

http://nailedtocross.com/index.php/articles/common-errors/17-we-have-inherited-lies

So how many Christians in the past 2000 years would you say were saved from their sin and qualified for eternal life?
A percentage is fine.  What about non-believing Jews who are still waiting on their Messiah?
Where do they fall?

Quote :

The Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:2-17 NKJV)

1
“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2
“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.
3
“You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
4
“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
5
“Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
6
“You shall not murder.
7
“You shall not commit adultery.
8
“You shall not steal.
9
“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10
“You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”

Only disregard the 4th? Are any of the others outdated too?

Personally, i like the idea of Sabbath day, the original feasts and being different from the world.

Dove wrote:

So how many Christians in the past 2000 years would you say were saved from their sin and qualified for eternal life?
A percentage is fine.  What about non-believing Jews who are still waiting on their Messiah?
Where do they fall?

I can't begin to guess, but I think the number is far, far less then most think. Satan has done a masterful job of deception over the ages. He's the father of lies and no does it better. His message is spewed out weekly to millions from the pulpit to the itching ears of those who are unwilling to search out the Truth of God's word.

Ponder this: I read once that it was estimated that at the time of the flood there were approximately 1 million inhabitants on the earth. Only Noah, and 7 family members were saved.

Pretty bad odds.

In these last days there will be two classes of people. Those who submit to the laws and traditions of men and receive the mark of the beast, and those who submit to the faith of Yeshua which produces obedience to the will and laws of Yahovah, and receive His seal.

billetman wrote:

Sorry but I have to disagree with the above.

Zech. 14 tells us we will celebrate the feasts days along with the sacrifices, these will both be reinstituted in the millennium (Ez.44:1-46- 46:24)

So you are saying they will be reinstituted in the 1,000 years of peace on earth. I was talking about now,not in the millennium. I believe scripture is plain that we no longer need to observe the feast days or other holidays. We surely don't need to be sacrificing animals or any type of blood sacrifices.

I certainly believe in the seventh day as the sabbath......"Rest". 

Are you talking about sacrficing animals (Blood sacrifices) once again in the millennium?.......I know there are several verses of scripture that point to blood sacrifices in the millennium. This is a subject I've never gotten deep into. I guess I've always never understood why they would be necessary. Maybe this is a good time for me to dig deeper.

So, God has failed?  

Just to satisfy myself yesterday I checked Strong's  for "Sabbath" and "Rest".  And Lo and Behold, they are the same. 

In the OT, in Hebrew, Sabbath is H7676:    intermission  rest   restful


In the NT in Greek, REST is     G372      intermission  rest


Matt. 11: 29,30      Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find REST unto your souls. 
For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.


Nothing is done away with.  ALL is fulfilled in Christ Jesus. He is our Sabbath, our REST; God's All-Sufficient Provision for our Salvation.
Now we come to the Father BY JESUS to worship in SPIRIT and in TRUTH. 
Now, if we do not receive this immeasurable gift and heed the call of the Lord to Seek, and Find and to enter in to His Presence by the WAY-Jesus, then we will indeed be left on the outside.


As God is my Judge, I rejoice and have no fear.

So, i guess a good question might be, what day is the seventh, Sabbath?

I think we're all agreed on there being seven days in a week (and an eighth coming up) or the first is the eighth - and if you understand that please fill me in on the details.

Our calendar is set up as: SUN MON TUE WED THU FRI SAT.

I have wondered about the Sabbath being on Saturn's day. Somehow that doesn't seem quite right. So who decided that Sunday would be the first day of the week? and why?

Sun's day - Moon's day (Sin's day) - Tyr's day - Woden's day - Thor's day - Freya's day - Saturn's day

Does anyone know how God fits into this? And what are the Hebrew equivalents. Thanks!

ScaRZ wrote:

billetman wrote:

Sorry but I have to disagree with the above.

Zech. 14 tells us we will celebrate the feasts days along with the sacrifices, these will both be reinstituted in the millennium (Ez.44:1-46- 46:24)

So you are saying they will be reinstituted in the 1,000 years of peace on earth. I was talking about now,not in the millennium. I believe scripture is plain that we no long need to observe the feast days or other holidays. We surely don't need to be sacrificing animals or any type of blood sacrifices.

I certainly believe in the seventh day as the sabbath......"Rest". 

Are you talking about sacrficing animals (Blood sacrifices) once again in the millennium?.......I know there are several verses of scripture that point to blood sacrifices in the millennium. This is a subject I've never gotten deep into. I guess I've always never understood why they would be necessary. Maybe this is a good time for me to dig deeper.

There will be animal sacrifice in the Millennium but not for the atonement of sin as before. There will be no more sin!
The sacrifices are done more as a memorial or remembrance to Yah, much like Communion is done today.

billetman wrote:

There will be animal sacrifice in the Millennium but not for the atonement of sin as before. There will be no more sin!
The sacrifices are done more as a memorial or remembrance to Yah, much like Communion is done today.

I do not agree with your statement......."There will be no more sin."

This certainly makes no since by the very scripture you pointed out.

 Zech 14:16-18........ “And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, on them there will be no rain. If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.”


As we can read there will be a rebellious sin nature that remains in humans. Satan has been taken out of the picture for 1,000 years but that doesn't mean the sin nature is not there.

If sin was completely out of the picture then why would there be any thought of not obeying the LORD and having him send the plague of no rain?

ScaRZ wrote:

billetman wrote:

There will be animal sacrifice in the Millennium but not for the atonement of sin as before. There will be no more sin!
The sacrifices are done more as a memorial or remembrance to Yah, much like Communion is done today.

I do not agree with your statement......."There will be no more sin."

This certainly makes no since by the very scripture you pointed out.

 Zech 14:16-18........ “And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, on them there will be no rain. If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.”


As we can read there will be a rebellious sin nature that remains in humans. Satan has been taken out of the picture for 1,000 years but that doen't mean the sin nature is not there.

If sin was completely out of the picture then why would there be any thought of not obeying the LORD and having him send the plague of no rain?

I apologize, I should have been clearer. There will be no sin in the New Jerusalem, which comes down from heaven after satan is cast into the lake of fire at the end of the 1000 yrs.

billetman wrote:

I apologize, I should have been clearer. There will be no sin in the New Jerusalem, which comes down from heaven after satan is cast into the lake of fire at the end of the 1000 yrs.

 
Satan will have what is called (a little season) after the 1,000 year period. We have no idea how long a little season is......."Scripture does not say." But one thing is for sure Satan must have time to once again decieve the nations. Also after the 1,000 years is when The Rest of The Dead live again.

Revelation 20:3........"And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."

Revelation 20:7-8

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, 
Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

ScaRZ's last post is the way I understood what will be.  And I'm learning from both of you.   

ScaRZ wrote:

billetman wrote:

I apologize, I should have been clearer. There will be no sin in the New Jerusalem, which comes down from heaven after satan is cast into the lake of fire at the end of the 1000 yrs.

 
Satan will have what is called (a little season) after the 1,000 year period. We have no idea how long a little season is......."Scripture does not say." But one thing is for sure Satan must have time to once again decieve the nations. Also after the 1,000 years is when The Rest of The Dead live again.

Revelation 20:3........"And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."

Revelation 20:7-8

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, 
Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

I had always wondered why the Father would let Satan loose one last time, until 2 weeks ago. A friend and I get together every Sabbath to watch the Holy Impact Ministries teaching. I've been blessed to have found this ministry about 2 yrs ago.
We are in the closing weeks of an in-depth study of Revelation, and this very question was answered for me, and it makes perfect sense! Watch, learn and be blessed. Begins around the 18:00 mark.

I struggled with this for a long time....the Sabbath is representative of Christ. "I will give you rest"..God said that the sabbath was a sign between "Me and thee" FOREVER!....here is the reason that the church of today meets on SUN-day: the disciples met on the first day of the week because they would have been crucified if they had met on the last day of the week because of religious connotations that the religionist had tacked on to the Law. Rather than face a confrontation, they met the next day. The true Sabbath is not a day of the week, it is Christ Jesus/Yeshua. Now, here is the stickler and this is my opinion only, based solely on my interpretation, I do think churches should meet on saturday due to it being the last day of the week...i also think that the names of the days of the week should be changed away from pagan figures of worship and gods. The Law is a representation of perfection(Christ) and He is the only one that can fulfill it, and remember that He said "the Sabbath was created for man, not man for the Sabbath" so the Sabbath is not a legalist day, it means rest, although i do hold a concern that we should do it on another day

michael371 wrote:

I struggled with this for a long time....the Sabbath is representative of Christ. "I will give you rest"..God said that the sabbath was a sign between "Me and thee" FOREVER!....here is the reason that the church of today meets on SUN-day: the disciples met on the first day of the week because they would have been crucified if they had met on the last day of the week because of religious connotations that the religionist had tacked on to the Law. Rather than face a confrontation, they met the next day. The true Sabbath is not a day of the week, it is Christ Jesus/Yeshua. Now, here is the stickler and this is my opinion only, based solely on my interpretation, I do think churches should meet on saturday due to it being the last day of the week...i also think that the names of the days of the week should be changed away from pagan figures of worship and gods. The Law is a representation of perfection(Christ) and He is the only one that can fulfill it, and remember that He said "the Sabbath was created for man, not man for the Sabbath" so the Sabbath is not a legalist day, it means rest, although i do hold a concern that we should do it on another day

The disciples continued to keep the Holy Sabbath day, after the death of Yeshua , according to Scripture, not the first day of the week.
http://www.eliyah.com/85times.html

Jesus said in Matthew 5:17-18 that He did not come to “destroy the Law or the Prophets.” Jesus said that He came to fulfill or do His purpose as our Savior, not to change or eliminate any of the laws that regulate our relationship with God and with each other. He stated emphatically that not even the smallest letter of the law would pass away before His entire plan was fulfilled, in the end.
In Mark 2:27 Jesus referred back to the creation of the Sabbath, declaring to the Pharisees, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.” It’s clear that the Sabbath was made for the benefit of all humanity, not just for the Jews. And since the Sabbath was made for man, as long as there are people, the Sabbath will continue as our connection to God.

Nowhere in scripture was the Sabbath changed from Saturday to Sunday. It was changed after satan influenced the church in Rome to blend the pagan Sun-day ritual into Christianity around 320 ad.
Satan has done a masterful job, thru catholicism, to deceive the world into believing a lie!

How to Avoid the Mark of the Beast

Posted in End Time Issues
No one in their right mind wants to take the mark of the beast, but with all the theories of who the antichrist is, and what the mark of the beast is, how can we be sure that we don’t take it by innocent error? I’ve heard moderately convincing arguments that the antichrist/beast is Prince Charles, the papacy, and Islam, among others. I’ve heard reasonable people try to explain that the mark of the beast is bar codes on grocery items, social security numbers, and chips embedded into our hands. For fun, I typed “what is the mark of the beast” into Google and got over two million hits. “Who is the antichrist” produced well over a million hits. I’m not recommending the use of Google to determine Biblical truths, only using that to show how many different ideas there are.


How are we to know the truth? Since we serve a God who is not the author of confusion, we must be able to find the truth of this topic clearly in his word.

There are only two groups of people in the last days: those who worship the beast , and those who worship God . Notice both groups are worshipping someone. Another way of classifying them is: those who receive the mark of the beast in the forehead or hand , and those who receive the seal of God in their forehead . The real issue boils down to worship. The seal or mark is just the indication of which group we are in, of who we are worshipping.

Since the preferred position in the end of time is to have the seal of God, we should seek to understand it as best we can. The way to do that is to compare Scripture to other Scripture, line upon line, precept upon precept . Looking at key words (seal, mark, sign, forehead) throughout Scripture should give us some clues.

Since we are looking for the seal of God, let’s start by looking at the use of the word “seal.” 1Kgs 21:8 and Es 8:8 refer to the seal of the king, which was his ring or signet, which he would imprint, probably into wax, to show something was genuinely from him. Generally, the seal would identify the title and territory, and we still do this today. For example, the Seal of the President of the United States has the title (President) and territory (United States). A different use of the word appears in , which says to “seal the law among my disciples” so perhaps we should look to God’s law to find a hint of a seal. In looking at the law of God, there is one of his Ten Commandments that has his “seal”: the fourth commandment (“Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy…”) found in Ex 20 8:11. It has his title (Creator) and territory (heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is). The only other place in scripture that comes close to containing his title (“he who made”) and territory (“heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters”) is.

Next let’s look up the word “mark.” In Revelation, the word mark appears several times, always referring to the mark of the beast. In Ez 9 4:7 there is a mark of God, and all were slain who did not have it, just like in Revelation, all are slain who do not have God’s mark, or seal. Those in Ezekiel with the mark were those who repented of all the sin taking place in Jerusalem. Those who mourned sin (defined as the transgression of the law received God’s mark and were saved. So here the mark was linked with those who loved the law of God rather than sin.

The seal of God is in the forehead, and the mark of the beast can be in the forehead or in the hand. Other places in scripture mention something that had to do with the forehead. We find that all of the words of God were to be “a sign…as frontlets between thine eyes” (Deu 6:8 and 11:18). The Hebrew word translated as “sign” is Strong’s 226. This same word is also translated as “mark” in Gen 4:15. So we could say that God’s words (his law) were as a sign, or mark, at the forehead. Another use of the word “sign”: Ex 31 13-17 refers to the fourth commandment as a sign between God and his people throughout our generations.

So here is what we have seen: 1) the real end time issue comes down to who we worship, God or the beast, 2) we receive a seal, sign, or mark either from God or from the beast, 3) a seal contains the title and territory of the ruler, 4) the fourth commandment contains the “seal” of God (title and territory), 5) God said to “seal the law” in Is 8:16, so the seal and law are linked, 6) the fourth commandment is called a “sign”, which could also have been called a “mark”, 7) the mark of God was tied to his law in Ezekiel, the law was a mark at the forehead, and 9) the commandment that contains the seal of God deals with when we worship. See how all of this ties together?

God tells us in Is 55:9, “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.” We are also told in Pr14:12 that ways that seem right to a man are the “ways of death”.

If you want to avoid the mark of the beast, and rather have the seal of God, to be marked as his, to love his law more than transgressions, and to worship Him above all false gods, then perhaps you should take a closer look at the fourth commandment, to see if you are in line with God’s ways. There is enough evidence to show that this very issue could be what differentiates those in the last day who worship God rather than worship the beast.

you must be careful with becoming legalistic, billet, and understand that the "Sabbath was created FOR MAN, not man for the Sabbath....Sabbath means "rest" and Jesus says "come, I will give you rest"....Jesus is the Sabbath....I do agree that church services probably should be held on the last day of the week, and you can thank the damned catholic church for that change, but EVERY day should be about Christ, not just one....remember that legalism is dangerous....peace, man

michael371 wrote:

you must be careful with becoming legalistic, billet, and understand that the "Sabbath was created FOR MAN, not man for the Sabbath....Sabbath means "rest" and Jesus says "come, I will give you rest"....Jesus is the Sabbath....I do agree that church services probably should be held on the last day of the week, and you can thank the damned catholic church for that change, but EVERY day should be about Christ, not just one....remember that legalism is dangerous....peace, man

It's not about being legalistic, it's about being obedient to the Word of God.

One thing for sure we do know there will be people who haven't received the mark when the everlasting gospel is being preached.



Revelation 14:6-7


And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,


Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.




We also read there will be people who overcome the beast, his image, and the number of his name.



Revelation 15:2......."And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God."



Without having the mark you are not of the system........"The mark,the name,or the number all point in the same direction. You give your alliance to the system as well as the controlling force behind the system. You carry his number which is a name,which is a mark in your mind."

You will not be able to buy anything or sell anything if you aren't part of the system,because it's a World System. If you choose to take part in the system,then you carry the mark........"There's no being a little in or a little out."


I view The Seal of God as believing in Jesus Christ as Lord of Savior in your mind (Heart) you are sealed with his name. Staying strong and keeping faith, never giving up or giving in as the storms rage. Don't fall for the Lie.

Please humor me and let me tell of the way I believe everything plays out. Certainly not cast in stone, just a scenario that I think is plausible. As a caveat though, Satan is far more clever than me, so it will probably follow a different script:

After MAJOR global calamity, economic, war, environment, whatever, who knows what, such as we've never seen before, occurs.
World leader meet and are in full agreement after the pope and his ecumenical cohorts claim "we must come together". "Man has gone too far and must return to God."  They, along with the deceived masses think, "he must be right, who is closer to God than the pope". LOL.
Worldwide laws are passed declaring Sunday as the official day of worship. No businesses are allowed to operate. Deceived Christians the world over think, no biggie. That's when we worship anyway. They unknowingly accept the mark.
Those that worship any day other than Sunday are persecuted for not observing satan's counterfeit Sabbath.
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the anti-christ pope will be right in the middle of it, but the biblical description of the final anti-christ would suggest a muslim.....too many people consider the religion of mithraism to be Christian, I know better....Will there be catholics in heaven, I am thinking there will, but I am not in the business of deciding who is a child of God and who ain't....I sure am not a fan of catholicism at all.....you are correct, they changed everything, even took out commandment about graven images

I do not believe the mark will be forced upon anyone. Can a person be decieved into the mark?......"Most certainly."

In my opinion the whole Catholic thing is much too accepted as the ultimate bad guy. This should tell us all to look another direction. Too many are looking square in the face of The Pope and Catholicism. When something is too popular the road is much too wide.

I also do not believe Sunday is The Mark. I have already listed what I believe it is.

Now I do believe that prophecy seems to always be thought to occur within each new generation but our generation may be long gone before the final outcome. Thoughts,understanding and beliefs about  prophecy can and will change if things are on out into the future many years. We do not know when the final curtain is drawn,we only know the clock is ticking.

Satan won't have to force anyone. He already has most self-professing Christians right where he wants them. I stand firmly in the belief that Sunday IS the mark.

Excellent video on the blessing from observing the Sabbath

I don't think the actual "mark" is the false sabbath day of SUN-day, but i do think its is a precursor of deception....scarz, the vatican and their emissaries will be right in the middle of it....they are hellbent on global domination....there will have to be a "marriage" of some sort between islam and catholicism take place...don't ask me how this happen, but there is an awful lot of speculation that the jesuits gave rise to islam through mohammed....i suspect it myself

billetman said.......''I stand firmly in the belief that Sunday IS the mark."

I can see it as being part of the system but I don't believe the mark "IS" the whole. You imply that is all there is to the mark. In my opinion that just doesn't fit as the whole.

The way you make it sound is that the mark is here and now........" am I correct?" 

Malachi Martin said......."If you worship the Lord on the day designated by the Catholic Church regardless of what you call yourself you are Catholic."