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PostSubject: Re: Refutation of the blood moons, well preached   Refutation of the blood moons, well preached I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 18, 2014 1:13 pm

Time will indeed tell. Admittedly, I did not watch the video perhaps I will but I hear so many neighsayers on anything to do with God interacting with us that, frankly, I am tired of hearing them. Will anything happen? Who knows, I don't but I find it interesting that you can go back 8 sets of these and find an important event occurring that effects the children of Israel - notice I didn't say "Jews" but am referring to the whole house of Israel - the children of Abraham.

The mere fact that the first of these occurs exactly 3.5 years before a date that stands out, in my mind at least, as a good possibility for the return of YAHshua Jesus Christ, well it does get my attention and I will be standing watch for these blood moons.

If nothing happens around these blood moons, then cool, there's a first time for everything.

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I agree with Jem!
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PostSubject: Re: Refutation of the blood moons, well preached   Refutation of the blood moons, well preached I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 18, 2014 3:43 pm

The pastor is a preterist……all prophecies have already happened and been fulfilled.  So naturally, to him the blood moons or anything like that have nothing to do with present time events and prophecy.  

But I do agree with him in that the upcoming tetrads are not what is spoken of in "the moon turning to blood" verses in Joel and Matthew.  These upcoming tetrads "may" have some yet to be determined meaning, but I don't think anyone has actually nailed that down.  It's simply a wait and see thing in my opinion.  But in the meantime, it does make for good book $ales for some pastors such as Hagee.
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i agree w/ jem, rawblues, if he is preterist, they are OTL...
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He is deinately a bit preteristic but sensible.  I like to look at both sides and since I first posted pastor Biltz work here a couple years ago thought I should share the other side.  I sometimes wonder if I have it all wrong so I stay open for correction.
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PostSubject: Re: Refutation of the blood moons, well preached   Refutation of the blood moons, well preached I_icon_minitimeWed Feb 19, 2014 9:53 am

To continue the conversation on the blood moons, I found the following on http://www.pray4zion.org/TheComingBloodMoons.html and because it shows the dates of the previous tetrads and surrounding events I want to copy and paste it here.


Four PARTIAL lunar eclipses occurred on the Jewish Passover in 32 AD – 33 AD and the "Feast of Tabernacles" in the years before and after the Crucifixion of Yeshua HaMashiach (Jesus Christ). The world has since witnessed seven "Tetrads" coinciding with events impacting Jewish and Christian culture.

Seven Jewish Total Lunar Eclipses have occurred in the 1st & 2nd Millenniums:

Four TOTAL lunar eclipses occurred on the Jewish Passover and Feast of Tabernacles in 162 - 163 AD, coinciding with the worst persecution of Jews… and Christians in the history of the Roman Empire. Within 3 years the Antonine Plague killed eight million people, a third of the population.


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Four TOTAL lunar eclipses occurred on the Jewish Passover and Yom Kippur Holidays in 795 - 796 AD while King Charlemagne of the Holy Roman Empire established a DMZ buffer zone between France and Spain, ending centuries of Arab invasions into Western Europe.

Four TOTAL lunar eclipses occurred on the Jewish Passover and Yom Kippur Holidays in 842 - 843 AD. Shortly after the eclipses the Vatican church in Rome was attacked and looted by an Islamic invasion from Africa.

Four TOTAL lunar eclipses occurred on the Jewish Passover and Yom Kippur Holidays in 860 - 861 AD. Shortly after the eclipses the Byzantine Empire defeated Arab armies at the Battle of Lalakaon in Turkey and permanently stopped the Islamic invasion of Eastern Europe.

The last three “Blood Moons” are very important as they affect ISRAEL as we know it today:

Four TOTAL lunar eclipses occurred on the Jewish Passover and the Feast of Trumpets Holidays in 1493 – 1494. Only months after King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella of Spain ordered all Jewish people to leave the country (after about 200 AD, Spain became and remained a second Jewish homeland for well over a millennia. So deeply woven into the fabric of Spain are the Jews that neither history can be fully studied without considering the influence of the other).

“In the same month in which their Majesties (Ferdinand and Isabella)] issued the edict that all Jews should be driven out of the kingdom and its territories, in the same month they gave me the order to undertake with sufficient men my expedition of discovery to the Indies.” So begins Christopher Columbus’s diary.

The expulsion that Columbus refers to was so cataclysmic an event that ever since; the date 1492 has been almost as important in Jewish history as in American history. On July 30 of that year, the entire Jewish community, some 200,000 people, were expelled from Spain. Tens of thousands of refugees died while trying to reach safety. In some instances, Spanish ship captains charged Jewish passengers exorbitant sums, then dumped them overboard in the middle of the ocean. In the last days before the expulsion, rumours spread throughout Spain that the fleeing refugees had swallowed gold and diamonds, and many Jews were knifed to death by brigands hoping to find treasures in their stomachs.

1492 was the same year that the Jews were expelled from Spain and Christopher Columbus ‘amazingly’…. discovered America which is home today for more than 5 million Jews outside Israel. Like Mordecai said to Esther – “help will come in another way!” And America was blessed by God. More important we believe that America’s purpose was to protect Israel and offer a safe haven for the Jewish people. However, the question is… how long will America still continue this in our day?

Four TOTAL lunar eclipses occurred on the Jewish Passover and Feast of Tabernacle in 1949 - 1950 during the 1st Arab - Israeli War for Independence just after Israel had become a nation again for the first time in 2,000 years. It should be noted here: that even though Israel declared themselves a nation in 1948, the first permanent government took office on January 25th, 1949. Israel had a transitional government in 1948. In this way the “(Tetrad) four blood moons” can tie to the year 1949 for the first elected office of that year and the birth year could still be 1948.

On 14th May, 1948 - Israel proclaimed its independence. Less than 24 hours later, the regular armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq invaded the country, forcing Israel to defend the sovereignty it had regained in its ancestral homeland. In what became known as Israel's War of Independence, the newly formed, poorly equipped Israel Defence Forces (IDF) repulsed the invaders in fierce intermittent fighting, which lasted some 15 months and claimed over 6,000 Israeli lives (nearly one percent of the country's Jewish population at the time).

During the first months of 1949, direct negotiations were conducted under United Nations auspices between Israel and each of the invading countries (except Iraq, which refused to negotiate with Israel), resulting in armistice agreements which reflected the situation at the end of the fighting.

Accordingly, the Coastal Plain, Galilee and the entire Negev were within Israel's sovereignty, Judea and Samaria (the West Bank) came under Jordanian rule, the Gaza Strip came under Egyptian administration, and the city of Jerusalem was divided, with Jordan controlling the eastern part, including the Old City, and Israel the western sector.


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The war over, Israel focused on building the state which the people had struggled so long and so hard to regain. The first 120-seat Knesset (parliament) went into session following national elections (25 January 1949) in which nearly 85 percent of all eligible voters cast their ballots.

Two of the people who had led Israel to statehood became the country's leaders:  David Ben-Gurion, head of the Jewish Agency, was chosen as the first Prime Minister; and Chaim Weizmann, head of the World Zionist Organization, was elected by the Knesset as the first president. On 11 May 1949, Israel took its seat as the 59th member of the United Nations.

“The gates of the country were thrown open, affirming the right of every Jew to become a citizen.” David Ben-Gurion

Four TOTAL lunar eclipses occurred on the Jewish Passover and Feast of Tabernacle in 1967 - 1968 coinciding with the 6 Day War when Israel recaptured Jerusalem. As Israel's neighbours prepared to destroy the Jewish state, Israel invoked its inherent right of self-defence, launching a pre-emptive strike (5 June 1967) against Egypt in the South.

It was followed by a counter attack against Jordan in the East and the routing of Syrian forces entrenched on the Golan Heights in the North. At the end of six days of fighting, previous cease-fire lines were replaced by new ones, with Judea, Samaria, Gaza, the Sinai Peninsula, and the Golan Heights under Israel's control. As a result, the northern villages were freed from 19 years of recurrent Syrian shelling; the passage of Israeli and Israel-bound shipping through the Straits of Tiran was ensured; and Jerusalem, which had been divided under Israeli and Jordanian rule since 1949, was reunified under Israel's authority.

The coming Blood Moons of 2014 – 2015… These four TOTAL lunar eclipses and two solar eclipses WILL occur on the Jewish holidays of “Passover,” the “Feast of Tabernacles” and the “Feast of Trumpets.”


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This is the only "tetrad" in the near future that aligns itself with the Jewish holidays. One should make mention here that there are other "tetrads" occurring as well. One tetrad occurred in 2003 - 2004. Future ones other than the 2014 - 2015 are found in 2032-2033, 2043-2044, 2050-2051, 2061-2062, 2072-2073, and 2090-2091… The difference between these "tetrads" and the 2014 - 2015 "tetrad" is that this "tetrad" aligns with the Jewish holidays and the others DO NOT!

Putting everything into perspective… The above does not mean that the Second Coming of Yeshua (Jesus Christ) at Tabernacles… has to occur on Tabernacles 2015. But, what the above taken as a whole does show a pattern. The "1493 tetrad"… is tied to the Spanish Government expelling the Jews. The "1949 tetrad" is the nation Israel being reborn" and the "1967 tetrad" is the recapture of Jerusalem. The coming "2014 tetrad"… will be tied to some major event dealing with Israel. We believe that the "tetrad" of 2014 through 2015 will have something to do with Israel for the start. The blood moons show a pattern of Jewish persecution… and then new land for Israel after a time of war!

This means that the blood moons of 2014 - 2015 will be a time of war or persecution for the Jewish people. This may Lead Israel to gain and/or loose land during this time.

As of 2011 there has been war and crisis in the Middle East that has ignited violence and uprisings in Egypt, Libya, Syria, Yemen and soon to be other Middle Eastern nations. These Nations are at war and have increased the danger for Israel and a nuclear Iran in the coming years. The administration of America has increased the leadership of the Muslim brotherhood creating a more fanatical terrorist state that threatens Israel’s existence as a nation.

As of 2012 the world is on the edge of a financial collapse that could destroy the economy of Europe and America, one of the lone supporters of the nation of Israel. Keep in mind that Barrack Obama has declared the position of the United States is to divide the land of Israel to pre-1967 borders for the creation of a Palestine state within Israel.

2013 through 2014 will provide the leading events in the next 2014 - 2015 blood moons (tetrads) that are predicted to occur. The events may involve war in the Middle East and a financial crisis around the world that will affect the land of Israel or the Jewish elite in New York City.

It cannot be regarded as coincidence that all four blood moons of 2014/15 occur on religious festivals of Israel, together with two eclipses of the sun also on important days in 2015. A blood moon will occur on the 14th day of Nisan in 2014, when the Passover will be celebrated in Israel (Leviticus 23:5). Nisan is the first month in Israel's religious calendar. On the 15th day of the seventh month (Tishri) when the Feast of Tabernacles begins (Leviticus 23:34) there will be another blood moon.

Exactly the same pattern will be repeated in 2015. Because of Israel's lunar calendar these dates all coincide with the full moon - on these occasions the moon will become blood-red. Apart from the lunar eclipses there will also be two eclipses of the sun in 2015… on the first day of Nisan and again on the first day of Tishri. The Rosh Hashanah (Jewish New Year) is celebrated on 1st Tishri, which is the beginning of their civil calendar.

The eclipses of the sun and moon confront us with precise dates which cannot be manipulated…! Nevertheless, these signs should not be seen as an attempt to date-setting for the Second Coming of Christ but rather as a wake-up call to be ready for what may happen in the near future. Now is not the time to lapse into spiritual slumber like the Matthew 25 foolish virgins.

Repeated calls by radical Muslims for a world-wide jihad are now heard everywhere - from Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt, the Palestinian territories in Israel, and even from Muslim groups in London. The scene is set to launch a major attack against non-Islamic infidels. The suicide bomb mentality of these terrorist Islamists has over and over demonstrated that they have a fanatical, religious-driven hatred for their enemies and will not hesitate to plunge the whole world into chaos!

Israel still remains their most important target, but the Lord will not allow them to annihilate His people. According to; Psalm 83 Israel’s surrounding Arab enemies and Ezekiel 39:1 - 5 radical Islamist Muslims who will invade Israel under the leadership of Russia (Magog) will be destroyed on the mountains of Israel. That, together with the rapture, will bring about the end of the church dispensation and offer the Antichrist the opportunity to be revealed as Satan's world leader.

NOTE: There is a huge difference between astrology and astronomy. Astronomy is a natural science that deals with the study of celestial objects (such as stars, planets, comets, nebulae, star clusters and galaxies) and observing the cycles in the heavens. Astrology is witchcraft, where they believe the order of the stars leads them to a successful life or warns them of things coming. In biblical times, watchmen were posted on the walls surrounding the city. They not only watched for an enemy approaching, they also recorded anything happening in the night sky. From historical events on earth during the same time that unusual heavenly events were recorded, they observed a relationship pattern of occurrences relating to heaven and earth. (Israel’s calendar is linked with the cycles of the moon, but keeps with the solar cycle by their leap years).

The Jews require a sign… If it does line up with Israel fleeing into the wilderness, Israel will see the eclipses occurring on their feast days to show them that the time for their redemption is near.

God created the heavens and the earth and the sun, moon and stars are totally controlled by his power. The story of Joshua, Hezekiah and the three wise men following the star to the location where Yeshua (Jesus) was… is Bible validation of God's absolute control of the universe. Genesis 1:14 states that God has put lights in the firmament and let them be for "signs." The Hebrew word for "sign" is "owth" which means also "a signal."

Other interesting facts:

1. Passover is the first annual feast.

2. Sukkoth is the seventh and final annual feast.

3. AV is a month of mourning for the Jews.

4. The 17th of Tammuz to the 9th of Av is a 21-day period of mourning for the Jewish people.

5. The next seven year cycle began on Rosh Hashanah on September 30th, 2008… and will end on Rosh Hashanah on September 13 - 14, 2015

6. The sabbatical year in the seven-year cycle begins on Rosh Hashanah on September 25, 2014, and ends on Rosh Hashanah on September 13 - 14, 2015 — the day of a partial solar eclipse 2000-year history of blood-red moons' connection to Passover and Sukkoth. During this century, the only string of four consecutive blood moons that coincide with God's holy days of Passover in the spring… and the autumn's Feast of Tabernacles (also called Sukkoth) occur in 2014 and 2015 on today's Gregorian calendar.

7. There were no astronomical back-to-back blood-red moon events in the 1800s, the 1700s or the 1600s. In the 1500s, there were six… but none of those fell on Passover and Sukkoth. The 2014 / 2015 "tetrad" events will be the last of the century! 

In biblical prophecies there is a direct correlation between signs in heavenly bodies and distressing events happening on earth…. We are rapidly approaching the time of the fulfilment of these signs.


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Mark 13:24 - 46, "But in those days the sun shall be darkened (eclipse) and the moon shall not give its light (eclipse) then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."

Yeshua (Jesus) told His disciples what would be the signs of the end of the age and some of them involved signs in the heavens he closes commanding them to ‘watch’ 4 times. To be a "Watcher, and observe what is happening in the heavens" relating to the Last Day, when "unusual signs" are seen in the heavens we watch, pray and record.

"Does YHWH (Yahweh God) use the moon for signs?" Yes: Genesis 1:14, Luke 21:25.

"Are Feasts relevant to Yahweh, and related to the moon?" Yes: Leviticus 23.

"Are blood-red moons prophetic in Scripture?" Yes: Joel 2:10, 31; Acts 2:20; Revelations 6:12.

"Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen..." - Luke 21:36 Yeshua (Jesus) spoke those words after He warned us of many of the events that will happen in the end times. They are especially relevant to us today when we consider current headlines are now fulfilling Bible prophecy at an absolutely amazing rate — which is setting the stage for more ominous events to happen at any time. The signs are sometimes obvious, such as rumblings in the Middle East, economic turmoil, shifts in geopolitical policy, earthquakes, signs from heaven, and more. At other times, the clues are more subtle, yet equally astounding to those who know Bible prophecy.

Circumstantial evidence should also be considered… You look at the world and you hang your head in shame. It is so sad to see mankind destroying each other and choosing this world over God. In every aspect of life, we see the God of the universe and His creation on two different roads. One is filled with love, patience, kindness, and salvation, where the other is filled with hate, murder, adultery, and perversion. No wonder our world is in such a mess. Creation is groaning for the day when the Father will make all things new.

The United States should have never taken its protection off Israel!. The US is slowly distancing itself from Israel while aiding her enemies. As the US is drawing away, Israel will soon find another protector which will bring her real salvation, namely Yeshua HaMashiach (Jesus Christ). The situation in the Middle East is precarious, and at any given moment hostilities can break out. Iran and Russia are using Syria to draw Israel into a war, and they may be successful. In February, Iranian President, Ahmadinejad visited Egypt and received a welcome from Morsi the Egyptian President and Muslim Brotherhood… this is also to be a warning alarm! At the same time that all this was taking place, a surprise announcement that Obama would be visiting Israel in March… a first since visit since he was only a candidate for presidency? We suspect it is to push for a peace treaty and Palestinian state! In any case, we have the enemies of Israel's military might playing out before our very eyes. There are various indications that the tension between Israel and her Muslim neighbours are close to breaking-point. Iran's president and religious leaders have made renewed calls for the complete annihilation of Israel. Their nuclear programme has been accelerated and they have armed Hezbollah in Lebanon to the teeth.

We have the withdrawing of the United States from the world scene, a weakened yet dangerous Syria, and Russian army personnel in the Middle East ready for war. It only takes a spark to get it all going! The next weeks are very important to see how the region will spend the next few months. It could be very eventful… as the Middle East is lining up to prophecy! 

We hope that you enjoy and become more informed by our work. We serve an awesome God and we are humbled by this opportunity to bring you this information. With Shalom to you and your family always,

Alf & Julie Saunders

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Well said, Saved!!!! Great argument for the validity of the tetrads that are coming.  UP 

As for John Hagee . . . our momma's taught us this, "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all!"

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