After the Tribulation

After the Tribulation 

Prophecy - Signs 
Thursday, September 18, 2014 
Alf Cengia 



A new Left Behind movie is set to be released soon and the fever pitch is sky high. Yet the excitement isn't being generated from pretribulation rapture fans. I'm referring to those who are troubled about pretribbers being deluded by the Antichrist when he allegedlyshows up before Jesus. However, not all criticism is kindly motivated.


Steve Anderson has produced a movie called After the Tribulation which went viral over the internet. It contains the sort of rants we have become accustomed to hearing. He thinks the pretribulational rapture is a satanic deception. Anderson also denies a prophetic relevance to modern Israel and has produced several anti-Semitic videos. Sadly, people swallow this stuff.


Someone also recently observed:

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"[As opposed to pretribulationists] we believe in a face-value of God's word and Jesus said that the rapture would happen immediately after the tribulation."

Did He?


This "rapture" is a reference to Matthew 24:31 and this is prewrath proponent Anderson's contention. In a previous column I argued why the gathering in v 31 should be seen as Israel's re-gathering back into the land after their redemption. There is a scriptural rationale for this in the Old Testament and it fits the context of the Olivet Discourse.


Many commentators recognize the parallels between Zech 12:10 and Matt 24:29-30. Compare also Deut 30:1-5; Isaiah 11:10-12, 27:13; Hos 5:15 and Matt 23:39. Israel's repentance will result in its prophesied gathering. That the disciples didn't ask Jesus when the rapture would occur demonstrates that they understood verse 31 as Israel's re-gathering (Acts 1:6-7). You and I would have had the rapture foremost in mind.


Ironically, the prewrath system teaches a separate coming of Christ in order to gather Israel back into the land. They criticize pretribulationism for its "secret rapture" yet they have four comings within their Parousia Event. If Matt 24:31 doesn't pertain to Israel then prewrathers are also teaching a secret coming to gather Israel into the land. It's a secret because the Bible is silent about it.


What actually happens after the tribulation?


Note that the Matt 24:29-31 gathering occurs after the tribulation and after the signs. If the rapture is the gathering after the tribulation then it cannot cut the tribulation short, as is often claimed. If the rapture occurs after the tribulation, after the cosmic signs and after the sign of the Son of Man, then the Great Multitude of Rev 7:14 has not arrived from the tribulation via the rapture. This group is continuously arriving from within the tribulation (See Robertson's notes).


How long is the great tribulation (Jacob's trouble)? See Dan 7:25, Dan 11:36, Dan 12:7, Rev 13:5 and Rev 12:14. It is 1, 260 days. That's a problem for Anderson's prewrath view right there.


Most importantly, why is the tribulation ended? It is terminated otherwise no flesh would be saved (Matt 24:22). This flies in the face of the argument that Rev 3:10 means protection within, rather than from the time of trial. If God protects within, there is no reason for Him to terminate the great tribulation. That there are tribulation saints to be resurrected at Rev 20:4rejects the protection within view.


If the tribulation is cut short by the rapture, why are there still martyrs to be resurrected? To solve this dilemma, Van Kampen suggested they were the 5th seal martyrs who weren't raptured. This position has since been revised.


Like posttribulationists, they now backdate the resurrection event of Rev 20:4. This is done to satisfy a connection between the 7th trumpet and Paul's Last Trump, or maintain a "single" First Resurrection. It ignores the "face-value" approach and contradicts Dan 12:13, which implies Daniel's resurrection will be after the 1,335 days.


Contra Van Kampen and Rosenthal, several leading prewrathers have now flip-flopped and embraced Rev 3:10 as a prewrath rapture passage. In so doing they deny evidence of God's wrath in the seal judgments and that these constitute any part of the "trial" which tests the earth dwellers. It appears theirs is a work-in-progress system.


What happens to the church at the rapture? According to 1Co 15:51-52 and 1Thess 4:16-17, thedead in Christ are resurrected and the living are instantly glorified. The tribulation is brought to an end to preserve the "elect" in their physical bodies (note the word flesh) in order to populate the millennium (Matt 24:22).  Therefore it makes no contextual sense to say that God intervenes otherwise no believers would remain alive to be raptured.


Regardless of when the rapture occurs in relationship to the 70th week, people must be saved to populate the millennium. It occurs under the wrath of God and it necessarily affects new saints. The fact that there are new saints doesn't preclude a prior rapture. Yet it's often argued the church cannot have been raptured because Revelation speaks of saints being on the earth.


The closer the rapture event to the beginning of the millennium, the more problematic and redundant the Sheep-Goats Judgment event becomes. If the rapture occurs towards the end of the 70th week, then why is there need to sift Sheep from Goats? How does anyone enter the millennium in non-glorified bodies?


One popular posttribulationist argues that the Sheep-Goats are unsaved yet the Sheep still enter the millennium. He attributes this to a "blood covenant" which appears to owe at least some debt to E W Kenyon's teachings.


The Sheep avoid the Mark of the Beast and thus escape the "Wicked Tares Judgment." They resist the everlasting gospel which is preached to all those who dwell on the earth (Rev 14:6-7); therefore they also evade the rapture and progress to the Sheep-Goats Judgment. They merit a last-minute reprieve because of a "works/heart" based judgment (Matt 25:34-40).


The Goats also escape the "Tares Judgment" because they haven't taken the Mark of the Beast. However, they don't make it into the millennium because of their lack of "heart/love" commitment to the persecuted (Matt 25:41-46). How they could posses the character to resist the Beast yet not possess the "heart/attitude" to be Sheep isn't explained.


In contrast to this innovation, the Bible teaches that there are two categories of people - saints and earth dwellers. Only the righteous inherit the kingdom (1 Cor 6:9-11). The appropriate response is that if these Sheep were not saved then they rejected the everlasting gospel (2 Thess 2:8-12; Rev 13:7-8; Rev 14:6-7).


Posttribulationist Robert Gundry also attempted to address the issue. He proposed that the Sheep-Goats Judgment occurs at the end of the millennium. Hardly a "face-value" approach. Ron Rhodes has written a response.


The question remains - how do saved people (and Israel) enter the millennium in their physical bodies if Christ's return at the end of the 70th week is contingent to Israel's redemption? The pretribulational position best answers these thorny questions. It isn't a matter of escapist dogma. We look for its evidence in Scripture.


Living each day abiding in Christ, trusting and expecting Him prepares Christians for whatever tribulation may come prior to rapture or death. We're quite capable of seeing the differences between Christ and the Antichrist, and a difference between historical tribulation and God's eschatological wrath.


Sadly, this new Left Behind movie has attracted fresh excuses to mock pretribulationism. Perhaps the energy might be better expended on more useful pursuits.




Keep looking up!


http://www.omegaletter.com/articles/articles.asp?ArticleID=7891

He’s almost got it ... sort of. Actually they both have part of it.

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This "rapture" is a reference to Matthew 24:31 and this is prewrath proponent Anderson's contention. In a previous column I argued why the gathering in v 31 should be seen as Israel's re-gathering back into the land after their redemption. There is a scriptural rationale for this in the Old Testament and it fits the context of the Olivet Discourse.

He’s right about that. The Matt 24:31 gathering of Israel occurs after the tribulation, which is seals 1-5 (I can offer more proof of this if you like). The 144,000 and Great Multitude of Rev 7 show up just after that point - so it also verifies that seals 1-5 represent the tribulation. Rev 7 and Matt 24:31 are the gathering of Israel (the woman in the wilderness).

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Most importantly, why is the tribulation ended? It is terminated otherwise no flesh would be saved (Matt 24:22). This flies in the face of the argument that Rev 3:10 means protection within, rather than from the time of trial. If God protects within, there is no reason for Him to terminate the great tribulation. That there are tribulation saints to be resurrected at Rev 20:4rejects the protection within view.

The Rev 3:10 church of Philidelphia is the 144,000 sealed (Rev 7:3). It is only one part of the church - there are six other churches besides. It doesn’t make sense to ignore the other six. (Dan 11:32-35)

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Like posttribulationists, they now backdate the resurrection event of Rev 20:4. This is done to satisfy a connection between the 7th trumpet and Paul's Last Trump, or maintain a "single" First Resurrection. It ignores the "face-value" approach and contradicts Dan 12:13, which implies Daniel's resurrection will be after the 1,335 days.

The first 4 trumpets speak of a third of the world, the vials do not. I would like to suggest that those trumpets may be speaking about what happens to one side of the world and I’m thinking it may be Babylon. The beast has 10 horns 3 will be uprooted before the little horn. (Dan 7:8 )

The fifth trumpet, 1st woe, is the opening of the bottomless pit. (Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition) The little horn. He reigns for 3.5 years.

There is mention of a five month period in Rev 9:5 which suggests that the beginning of these 5 months would be Tabernacles because 5 months later, the abomination of desolation takes place (Purim) and at the abomination of desolation there will be 1290 days until the end (Dan 12:11). 30 days after Purim is Passover, which leaves 1260 days.

FYI 5 months is 150 days, which is the amount of time that Noah was in the ark.

Then the second woe, sixth trumpet, takes place in which the Euphrates dries up. Interestingly, the same thing happens at the sixth vial (Rev 16:12).

At this point, Rev 10, John sees one come down clothed with a cloud, a rainbow on his head and a little book in his hand. This takes us to Daniel 12:7 in which he says “a time, times, and an half”. It also takes us to Ezekiel 3 where Ezekiel is sent to the house of Israel. Ezekiel 3 is virtually identical to Ezekiel 33 which takes place after the fall of Egypt. Ezekiel 33 leads into Ezekiel 34 which is the same as Jeremiah 50:4-8 (the fall of Babylon and return to Zion). Rev 11 and some of the above referenced speak of the witnesses. Rev 11 says the witnesses will be here for 1260 days. Elijah is supposed to show up on Passover. Then Rev 12 goes into the woman in the wilderness, again 1260 days. So you can see how the timeframe is working out.

Where else do we see one come down in a cloud (besides Exodus 19:9)? In Matt 24:30 and Rev 14:14. What happens just preceding Rev 14:14? Babylon is fallen, is fallen (Rev 14:8 ). What happens just after Rev 14:14? The vials and the wrath of God. Where else do we see the wrath of God beginning? In Rev 6:17. What happens just prior to the wrath in Rev 6:17? The fifth seal with martyrs. What happens just prior to Rev 14:14? The martyrs who didn’t take the mark of the beast, Rev 14:13.

In Rev 15:2 we see those who had victory over the beast and didn’t take his mark. They sing the song of Moses (Deut 32) and the song of the lamb.

Deut 32:10-11 (part of the song of Moses) speaks of an eagle fluttering over her young, spreading her wings abroad over them and bearing them on her wings.

Isaiah 18 speaks of a land shadowed with wings, beyond the rivers of Ethiopia.

Zephaniah 3 speaks of a land beyond the rivers of Ethiopia, the daughter of his dispersed, Israel. Zeph 3:14 says “Sing, O daughter of Zion; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, O daughter of Jerusalem.”

Exodus 19:4-6 says “Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles’ wings, and brought you unto myself. Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation.”

See how the pieces fit together? It’s all there but you do have to reason it out. I hope that all makes sense or at least that you find something interesting in there.

That was quite the walk through scripture,  Lovisa.  Much study, it appears, and I honor the effort and readily admit I couldn't begin to critique it.

The Parable of the 10 Virgins is my yardstick and motivator to not take it lightly or for granted. 
Ten waiting, expecting His return for them.
All ten with some measure of  oil-the Anointing. 
Only half of those who thought they would go actually went with Him. 
Then the Door closed,  the other half shut out.    
If I was on the wrong side of the door, I wouldn't have to worry about surviving.  I truly believe I'd die right then of a broken heart.

The author of this article is likely a brother in Christ, if you read his bio. , but not one I would take advise from. He is on a path likely overshadowed by Hal Lindsay ideology from a prophetic view point. Since I do not agree with Hal Lindsay on prophecy, although at one point as a young woman 30 years or more ago I did.
What I take offense to is the statement that Steven Anderson is Anti-semitic. This is not true. I know him personally and his wife , family , and his church family.
So I suggest you watch the video " After the Tribulation" by Pastor Steven Anderson . Also Watch at least the first two videos of his 22 part study " Revelations" . Part two will go over the "synagogue of satan" Then you will have good footing to draw an opinion. I suggest watching the whole series.

http://kjvprophecy.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g56wtMhODP4&list=PLjDDNIxax4p_L8OyG_AzNni5wnGLnKcYO&index=2

In truth and love Dr. Rita

i'm only 1/2 way through the "after the tribulation " vid, and it's so refreshing to hear someone else say what i've thought since the late 90's. i like this pastor Anderson's style. i've forgotten the name of the young hispanic pastor from california but he's neat as well.

ok back to the movie! 


edit: i also find it cool that i studied the bible itself without any man's opinion and came to this conclusion... and now find it confirmed in the mouths of two witnesses. amen?

Dr. Rita Hal was crucial in the work of the Holy Spirit in my life and faith. Like you I no longer agree but fully expect to see him in heaven and hug him tight. I don't discuss the rapture anymore but will be watching this video for sure and not seeing the left behind movies.

The question remains - how do saved people (and Israel) enter the millennium in their physical bodies if Christ's return at the end of the 70th week is contingent to Israel's redemption?

here we see what becomes of the world after Christ sets up in the millenium...



zech14:16 ¶And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

and the 1st resurrection (tribulation saints) will rule and reign with Christ during that time...

rev20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were BEHEADED for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and THEY lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. THIS is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall REIGN with him a thousand years.

and the wife of God (believers) are in the new Jerusalem, which Christ has prepared 4 us...

jn14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

and we know because He gave us His Word, easy-peasy... amen...

Thank you Dove. It certainly did take a few hours of study. I’m trying to make it much easier for you (or others) by adding the references, hoping that you will read and be amazed at what you find. It's such a joy to spend time in God’s Word so I hope you do and look forward to your critique.

If there’s a logical place in the bible for the rapture, it would be right where Steve Anderson says it is. He has done a fine job of properly aligning the chapters of Revelation to extract the intended meaning. However, he is missing one crucial piece and it is Alf Cengia who brings to light that the red moon rapture is no rapture at all but is instead the calling out and preparation for the return of the long-lost tribes of Israel which culminates in Ezekiel 37. Not a baseless claim as this is one of the most prevalent and recurring themes throughout the old testament.

Professor C.A.L. Totten (1851-1908), of Yale University, was quoted:

“I can never be too thankful to the Almighty that in my youth he used the late Professor Wilson to show me the difference between the two houses (of Israel and Judah). The very understanding of this difference is the KEY by which almost the entire Bible becomes intelligible, and I cannot state too strongly that the man who has not yet seen that (the house of) Israel of the Scripture is totally distinct from the Jewish people, is yet in the very infancy, the mere alphabet, of Biblical study, and that to this day the meaning of seven-eighths of the Bible is shut to his understanding.”

A LOVE STORY:

God divorced Israel because she was whoring around with other gods and wouldn’t repent.

Jeremiah 3:6-8 The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot. And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it. And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

But even though God divorced her, he still wants her back so that she can bear fruit to him.

Jeremiah 3:1 They say, If a man puts away his wife, and she goes from him, and becomes another man’s, will he return to her again? Will not that land be greatly polluted? But you have prostituted with many companions; yet return again to me, says Yahweh.

But God cannot remarry her even if she returned because his law does not allow that.

Deuteronomy 24:1-4 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man’s wife. And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife; Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

This is a huge problem! But God had the solution.

Romans 7:1-4 Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man. Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another - to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.

The bridegroom died for His bride! He died so that he could marry her again and bring her home. There is no greater love than this and this is the meaning behind the marriage supper of the Lamb.

Who was Yashua sent for?

Matt 15:24 and he answering said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

You are Israel! You are engaged to the bridegroom and await his return for the (re)marriage. Are you ready?

Matthew 25:1-13 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.



John 10:16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.

John 11:51-2 Now this he (Caiaphas) did not say on his own authority; but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jeus would die for the nation, and not for that nation only, but also that He would gather together in one the children of God who were scattered abroad.

murray leslie wrote:

The question remains - how do saved people (and Israel) enter the millennium in their physical bodies

This has been addressed and answered on the forum before but for a reminder see the links below.

WHO WILL BE LEFT TO POPULATE THE EARTH DURING THE MILLENNIUM?
http://endtimepilgrim.org/who.htm

THE SHEEP AND GOAT JUDGMENT
http://endtimepilgrim.org/sheepgoat.htm

Might just as well give the start page for the teachings I noted above. Lots of good study stuff on this page.
http://endtimepilgrim.org/index.htm

from the sheep a goat judgment...

THE SHEEP-GOAT JUDGMENT IS NOT A JUDGMENT FOR ENTRY INTO HEAVEN OR INTO ETERNITY. NOR IS IT ANY SUPPOSED "BEMA JUDGMENT" OF CHRISTIANS FOR HEAVENLY REWARDS. RATHER IT IS A TEMPORAL MESSIANIC JUDGMENT OF PEOPLE WHO STILL HAVE MORTAL LIFE AT THE END OF THIS AGE. THESE ARE UNREDEEMED PEOPLE, SOME OF WHOM WILL BE BLESSED AND GIVEN MILLENNIAL ENTRY AND A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY TO BE SAVED. THESE PEOPLE OF THE NATIONS WILL BE JUDGED, NOT FOR HEAVEN, BUT FOR A MILLENNIAL PASSPORT. THE SHEEP-GOAT JUDGMENT WILL BE JUDGMENT OF MORTALS AND HELD HERE ON EARTH.

this sounds good but, no scripture to prove it, where is this judgment in the bible ?

It's pretty obvious that you haven't really taken the time to really STUDY the links I posted. If you had you wouldn't needing to shout about scripture. Inside the links are plenty of scripture. Try sitting down and focusing on them. There are plenty of links inside the two I gave you to follow up on as well. I'm not going to be pulled into your little game, Murray, and I'm not going to waste my time holding your hand. Do your study . . .

. . . or not! I really don't care!

dont give into satans spirit on the matter....they hated the word "flood" ....right before the flood came....and they hate the word "rapture"...right before the rapture happens

i just copied and pasted from the site u gave me, i did not know it would be so huge, never mind, we all answer to God 4 our use of His  word..

i came back and looked again, researcher, this is not a game by the way...

mt25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

this judgment takes place @ the white throne, just before eternity and not in the millenium...

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

again, everlasting punishment comes @ the white throne, Not the millenium... i use scripture only to prove a point,  and not some mans idea of what he thinks it means, that is why i ask u researcher to show me scripture that shows the sheep and goats judgment, in the millenium, when Christ sets up His kingdom on earth, and please do not give me somebodies understanding...

This might be the sheep and goat judgment.

Ezekiel 34:11-26 For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.
 As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.
 And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.
 I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie in a good fold, and in a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel.
 I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord GOD.
 I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.
 And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats. Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have eaten up the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pastures? and to have drunk of the deep waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet?
 And as for my flock, they eat that which ye have trodden with your feet; and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet.

Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD unto them; Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat cattle and between the lean cattle. Because ye have thrust with side and with shoulder, and pushed all the diseased with your horns, till ye have scattered them abroad;
 Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle. And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.
 And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it. And I will make with them a covenant of peace, and will cause the evil beasts to cease out of the land: and they shall dwell safely in the wilderness, and sleep in the woods.
 And I will make them and the places round about my hill a blessing; and I will cause the shower to come down in his season; there shall be showers of blessing.

lovisa, i think this refers to the jews coming back in there land, may '48, cattle r gentiles in the millenium, Christ on the throne- ruling with a rod of Iron, from Jerusalem with david as a prince... i think

This is what I find stated directly in the Word.

Twice the nations are judged.  The first, known as the dividing of the sheep
and the goats at the 2nd Coming.  The second,  at the end of Millennium Reign
after satan is released to tempt the nations again.  This final testing and Judgement is for the Second death.  But I don't see the 'sheep-goat' analogy used in the description of the Final Judgement.

This post is The First Judgement (sheep-goats) by Jesus at His 2nd Coming.
The next post is the scripture on Judgement of the Nations at the Throne.

Matthew 25:31-46King James Version (KJV)
³¹ When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
³² And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

³³ And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
³⁴ Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
³⁵ For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
³⁶ Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
³⁷ Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
³⁸ When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
³⁹ Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
⁴⁰ And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
⁴¹ Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
⁴² For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
⁴³ I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
⁴⁴ Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
⁴⁵ Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
⁴⁶ And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Revelation 20 is the Great White Throne Judgement at the end of the Millennial Reign and after release of satan for a time to again tempt the nations.

Revelation 20:
⁷ And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
⁸ And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
⁹ And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
¹⁰ And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
¹¹ And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
¹² And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
¹³ And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
¹⁴ And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
¹⁵ And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

right, ok  dove that what i'm tryin to get at, here is the scripture in revelation about  Christs return @ the end of the tribulation...

rev19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
rev20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

dove, in this scripture, rev19:19 to rev20:7 there is no mention of sheep & goats, that what i've heard people say for yrs, but scripture does not support it, that what i'm tryin to point out, again from rev19:19 to rev20:7 no mention of sheep & goats & 20:7 moves to the end of the millenium...

I see it, but I need my morning brain to try to work it.  But I will look at everything you're saying, and hope it's not over my head!

i know eh! good thing my iq is in the double digits:)

Murray that last comment was funny. Truthfully I have a pretty decent IQ (136), but IQ has very little to do with wisdom....which is why I hang out with people that read the bible. I might be able to get some of that insight to rub off on me now and again. I've been studying the bible in depth for about 16 years now...and I've been saved for 26 years (I accepted Jesus when I was 4)....and there is ALWAYS something more to learn. There is always new insight. Sometimes though...the best thing we can do is be quiet. Other times....well, I've had my share of the other times.

what i believed 25 yrs ago, is not what i believe today, the Lord directs our steps, and gives us wisdom as we become ready to hear her....

hey,if we are @ the end of the generation that sees Israel become a nation, and we are, and this is a shemitah year, and it is, the last one to fit in this generation (70 yrs), which is a blessing or a curse that falls on either obedience or disobedience at the end of the shemitah, which starts another seven year cycle, by the by, the tribulation is a seven year judgment...rosh hashana 2015 is starting to look like the day, i see my GOD and SAVIOR, i wont know the day until the crescent moon is witnessed...

mat24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is NEAR, even at the DOORS.

ok, I really want to read all this. so bump to the top.