Will we love the darkness more than the Light?

well, first off, i messed up by not lighting the heat yesterday and I am sitting here listening to temple baptist church's live stream with my hoodie on looking like i am going to rob a liquor store. chemo side effects left me with nerve damage in my feet and fingers, which feel cold all the time, even when its not, but this morning, they ARE cold. it was 100* 8 days ago, and it dropped to 43* this morning and i am thinking about pulling out an electric blanket and wrapping up in it. i am not typing until i warm up...welp, my wife just walked in and said," i'm cold" so i am going to try to light the heat after i finish this....nope, i just lit the heat, you know the "when mama ain't happy".......

there are multiple passages in scripture that are difficlut for me, and this is one of them, and on the surface scar, it appears that you are correct, but i think it goes a bit deeper than this and concerns the symbolism of the mazzeroth (not the zodiac) incorporated into it....i think you know what i'm talking about, considering that a large amount scripture has multiple meanings....the whole salvation story is written in the stars

michael371 wrote:

there are multiple passages in scripture that are difficlut for me, and this is one of them, and on the surface scar, it appears that you are correct, but i think it goes a bit deeper than this and concerns the symbolism of the mazzeroth (not the zodiac) incorporated into it....i think you know what i'm talking about, considering that a large amount scripture has multiple meanings....the whole salvation story is written in the stars

Yes!!! I see prophecy having a two sides of the coin type thinking......."A physical and a spiritual side."

If you have the time please lay out the deeper symbolism you see?

scarz, unless i am coping a buzz on painkillers, muscle relaxers and gaberpentin, my long typing is about over because i am getting stiffer and stiffer and its more painful. I don't like taking medicine, and i do everything that i can to avoid it for as long as i can. my mind still goes mach 5 though, and its hard to get all of my thoughts interjected with my pisspoor typing ability. i searched the internet and came up with this that does reflect my thoughts on it. notice how i "knew" that you would know what i was talking about? i can't say that i will agree with all of this because i just skimmed over it, but what i read of it does confirm the basics AND it keeps me from typing a whole lot
http://www.watchmanbiblestudy.com/BibleStudies/BiblicalAstronomy.html

“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.” ~ Charles Mackay


Truth passes through three phases:

• First it is ridiculed.

• Second it is fiercely and violently opposed (denial and refusal).

• Third, it becomes self-evident.

-Arthur Schopenhauer

Life in Groups and its Associated Fears: There are two broad categories of people: the category of those who have passed the phase of denial and refusal, and that operate in the next phase (1-10% of the population) and those who remain stuck in the denial phase and who can not, or rather, refuse to move to the next phase (90-99% of the population). But why is the majority of the population stuck in phase 2, denial, and refusal? They may sometimes evolve into the next phase, but they always come back and stagnate in denial, the refusal to believe the truth despite numerous and indisputable evidence.

The Exodus with an end times New Exodus is in the cards I believe. Of coarse I have long believed in a type of so called repeats in scripture. Events as well as individuals that appear to mirror events and individuals as scripture unfolds.

I believe there is an end time connection with Babylon as the end times wilderness. I believe Revelation 17:3 points in that direction. The wilderness in this verse is Babylon which I believe is The Present World.

Revelation 17:3........"So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns."

The main thing to remember is that every pagan nation traces back to Babylon. I believe Babylon represents the nations of The World and is the kingdom of darkness. Babylon is not just one city or one country it is The World under bondage to The Adversary.

This World is a wilderness of cunfusion and a full blown system that will fall. All religions are really only two if we truly understand. Either you are on one side of the gulf or the other. You are with The Father or you bear the mark of witchcraft. There is no fence riding going on with anyone.

It really comes down to a product of "Watcher" Theology if we understand The World/ Babylon.

As it was in the days of Noah will become a reality and sometime after the walls will crumble as The World falls flat.

THIS:

The main thing to remember is that every pagan nation traces back to Babylon. I believe Babylon represents the nations of The World and is the kingdom of darkness. Babylon is not just one city or one country it is The World under bondage to The Adversary.

Here is something I find very interesting that fits well into Babylon as a symbol of The World. Think back into The Garden as Eve is consuming the fruit. She has a hunger for the fruits of The World........"Lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes and the pride of life."

Genesis 3:6........"And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."



Now flash forward and the symbolic Queen of The World is referred to as the mother of harlots and also the mother of abominations. Lust for the fruits of Babylon,lust for what she offers.

Revelation 18:14........"And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all."



The very same fruits that consumed Eve with temptation,the very same fruits that Eve consumed. Eve I believe was a symbol of a Queen of Eden at that point in time who then offered the worldly fruits of......"Lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes and the pride of life"......to Adam and he lusted for them and consumed them.

Scarz, i read something this morning that had escaped me in all of this time that i been chasing rabbits. i either missed it out right, or it just didn't register until i read this material. i am pretty sure that i never knew this and maybe just forgot. nope, i just missed it.

i knew this syria/turkey/kurd war stuff had to be biblical in some way, because turkey is the land of gog/magog, not russia like so many scholars want to tell people. note: russia will probably be involved in some way, but meshech and tubal are definitely not moscow and tobulsk as many claim. anyway, there is a mountain range on the border of syria and turkey with a very significant mountain in that range. its called mount zaphon and it is the high holy place of the ancient cannannite and parttime god of israel that we all know as ba-el......really interesting to speculate to the possibilities that exist as the to the result of this ceasefire.....this mount zaphon, and the whole mountain range actually, is directly north of the nation that we call israel...."in the sides of the north", "the uttermost north" would reflect directly to turkey and all one has to do is look at a map to verify it.....this is a situation that may be more important than i first realized when i comes to last days prophecy....when it comes to russia, russia may actually be a more "Christian" nation than America. is it the real Christ?. that i don't know...the eastern orthodox branch of catholicism broke with rome, but what intrigues me is that they are in talks about forming a closer relationship with each other...it would almost be like the constantine era when he moved the capital from rome to what is now istanbul.....

i think i will pay more attention to this situation because it may be more important than i first thought....another situation that i rarely mention is the "he" that is "taken out of the way" to allow events unfold....most subscribe that to be the Holy Spirit, and i won't argue against that....some think its the rapture of the church, which is wrong from the outset on two fronts, bit the reason that it can't be this is that a church is always referred to as a woman and in a female gender....so a >he< can't be a >she< ( unless you are a member of the liberal lunatic group) and eliminates the church nonsense....what if the "he" is actually america leaving the middle east?....what if all of this is just a squirmish to gain control of the mountain of ba-el and we have just overlooked the significance?....i know that i sure did

i see we posted at the same time,scarz...lol....

now, even more interesting as i read some more ( note: this is throneroom reading so it may take a while to read it all) mount zaphon today is actually mount jebel al aqra of today and in psalms 48 it is translated in a way that in hebrew means the "north" of a compass point....I am not making this up, and if this turns out to be wrong, don't blame me, because i completely overlooked this in all of these years...i do forget, and i do get stuff mixed up from time to time, but i am pretty sure that i never knew these choice details..... a bit of graphics:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=jebel+al+aqra+map&ia=images&iax=images

i dropped the hal lindsay horseshit about russia, decades ago because it does not fit the scripture, but turkey does....trying to make all of the names fit today is impossible if you try to stay with the english similarities...they are in the book of genesis as to who they are and where they settled....chasing rabbits can be easy as long as you stay away form the popular "experts"

Turkey is where my eyes have turned to for a few years. As you mentioned....."Too many eyes are on Russia." You know by a couple of my post that if it's too popular,I start focusing in other areas. I believe several areas that are laughed at or glanced over and swept under the rug......."Are key to understanding prophecy." Truths I believe are crumbs that are left behind for those who really care enough to search for and sweep up.

JOEL RICHARDSON HAS SAID 'TURKEY' FOR YEARS.  IF THE EARTH WAS FLAT, RUSSIA MIGHT BE CORRECT.  BUT IF YOU RUN A LINE FROM JERUSALEM TO THE NORTH POLE, IT'S TURKEY, BABY.

YOUR DIG ON THE MOUNTAIN COULD BE FUN FOR INFORMATION TOO.

michael371 wrote:

another situation that i rarely mention is the "he" that is "taken out of the way" to allow events unfold....most subscribe that to be the Holy Spirit

When Abaddon and his hordes are released this in my opinion begins what I call the final countdown. They have been restrained for a long time now in the deepest part of the Abyss. The restrainer will stop restraining (Taken out of the way)........In other words the restrainer will "Stand Down."
 
I certainly believe the Abyss will be allowed to be opened by the Angel (Messenger). I believe "The Key" he is given is a knowledge as well as a job. I see this Messenger as having the knowledge and ability to both open and close the Abyss. I believe he is The Restrainer......." Michael the Archangel". He has been restraining for a long time the contents of the Abyss,but one day he will stand down.

I also believe Michael will be the one to restrain The Adversary in The Abyss for one thousand years........"Then after the one thousand years Michael will once again stand down (Stop restraining,be taken out of the way) as The Adversary is released from The Abyss."

Since Turkey is the hot topic today I found the below rather interesting. Found this info on the latest blog from Benjamin Fullford. I will put the link at the bottom of this post so you can read the whole thing. Will just post short excerpts below.
 
https://www.yenisafak.com/en/columns/ibrahimkaragul/operation-peace-spring-turkish-political-historys-most-crucial-geopolitical-intervention-those-asking-what-will-us-europe-say-are-finished-the-internal-invader-front-has-collapsed-desperation-abroad-solidarity-within-may-god-grant-erdogan-strength-our-army-victory-2047197
 

yenisafak.com wrote:

“Turkey launched the biggest geopolitical intervention in its political history with the ‘Peace Spring Operation.’ …That entire corridor spanning the Iranian border and the Mediterranean is going to be purged. A Turkey zone, a peace zone, is going to be built there,” says Turkish columnist Ibrahim Karagül.

Benjamin Fullford wrote:

If you look at a map of the Middle East, the “corridor” they are going to “purge” includes Syria, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Jordan, and Israel.
 
The Saudi economy is also imploding, with its plan to list its oil company Aramco in big trouble. “Aramco has been downgraded by Fitch to A, and may reach BB or below in investment grade as the sovereign wealth funds, state-owned companies, pensions, and billionaires reject becoming cornerstone investors in its IPO,” the Pentagon sources say. Given these circumstances, the country, privately owned by the satanic Saud family, may well return to Turkish control.

 
https://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2019/10/17/full-article-benjamin-fulford-10-14-19-historic-changes-unfold-worldwide-as-zionist-project-collapses/

Handy map below for reference.

OH WHEW..I'M WAIST DEEP ELSEWHERE ATM.  BUT, READING ABOUT SAUDI ON THE POST, IT OCCURRED TO ME THAT WITH POTUS SAYING THE U.S. IS THE WORLD'S LARGEST OIL PRODUCER,
AND THAT WE HAVE POSSESSION OF THE OIL FIELDS IN SYRIA,  THERE'S NO WAY THE DOLLAR IS UNDER ANY THREAT AS FAR AS WORLD CURRENCY IS CONCERNED.
(THE DEBT IS A DIFFERENT DEAL).

(I DON'T KNOW REALLY WHAT HE MEANT REGARDING SYRIA OIL FIELDS, OR SECURITY FOR SAME.)

" In Babylonian mythology it was also associated with the coming of the “King of kings” and the establishment of a New Babylon.”

This king of kings isn't the Lord Jesus Christ but will be the king of kings.....The Antichrist. He will be the first bridegroom and will be the king of kings of "The World." I believe there will be Ten main power block regions,each having a ruler (King) over them but One Ruler (King) seated above all of them. He will once again be a counterfeit king of kings to the True King Of Kings.....The Lord Jesus Christ.


“So if we look, we see doorways that have been opened, even among churches. When morality is undercut and the door to the other side is opened, it is opened for deception – and that deception always brings destruction. The largest cultic movement in the history of Christianity, the New Age Movement is here.”

Definitely it is opened for deception and that deception always brings [Destruction]. This ultimate destruction will be none other than The Destroyer himself.....Abaddon (The Antichrist). There will be much deception to take place before he rises but once he takes center stage it's about to take on a whole new meaning to the word deception.


"The goal is to replace mankind.”

Man will no longer be man as he was, but will in fact be a creation OFF OF CREATION.......A Hybrid. As it was when once the hybrid race of Nephilim almost destroyed all FLESH,this will be the main goal once again to destroy All Flesh. I believe this is the meaning behind Christ words in Matthew 24:22........"And except those days should be shortened, there should [no flesh] be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

Man will no longer be man as he was, but will in fact be a creation OFF OF CREATION.......A Hybrid. As it was when once the hybrid race of Nephilim almost destroyed all FLESH,this will be the main goal once again to destroy All Flesh. I believe this is the meaning behind Christ words in Matthew 24:22Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)........"And except those days should be shortened, there should [no flesh] be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

Amen !! Altering our genes  is surely underway  at this very moment  . Family members look at me like I've "lost it" when I mention this . GMO foods.. and us.......

The names of the Watchers

According to the Book of Enoch, exactly 200 Watchers fell to Earth to take human wives. It names 20 of these, explaining that each one was a leader in a group of 10. In his book From the Ashes of Angels, Andrew Collins names a few others, and other reference works corroborate some of the names given in these sources, sometimes with alternate spellings. Through these various sources, I have collected information on what some of these named Watchers taught to mankind. Where there was a variation in wording, I have included both wordings.

According to Collins, there is no complete record of the names of all 200 Watchers. Most of the names included in Enoch are not included in other books, apocryphal or otherwise; in fact, very few of the others appear inother mythological texts; these include Azazel and Kokabel (Shemyaza is a central character in Storm Constantine's Grigori triology). Azazel is a curious example; although the Watchers, in the beginning of Enoch, swear to Shemyaza, the clear leader, that they will not change their minds about descending. But later, Azazel takes the brunt of the blame for what happens (to his credit, he taught more forbidden items to humankind than the others). He was thrown into the canyon of Duadel, and pinned with sharp rocks, with his face covered. In the Biblical book Leviticus, he is recreated as a desert creature to whom the ancient Israelites dedicated their scapegoats:


"Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats, one lot for the Lord and the other lot for Azazel. And Aaron shall present the goat on which the lot fell for the Lord, and offer it as a sin offering; but the goat on which the lot fell for Azazel shall be presented alive before the lord to make atonement for it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness to Azazel."
In still later times, Azazel is considered a demon, and is occasionally identified as the devil -- or as one of his chieftains.

Kokabel, or Kakabel, also appears in Jewish folklore as a powerful angel who is in charge of the stars and constellations. He is considered by some to be a holy angel; by others, a fallen one. It is said that he commands 365,000 lesser spirits and teaches astrology to his fellow angels.

Sariel is known under many names, but this one translates to "God's command." Some say he is the angel of death; he is named as the one who retrieved the soul of Moses from Mount Sinai. He is also called by some a "prince of the presence" and an angel of healing. His name appears in Gnostic amulets and it is said that when he's invoked he manifests in the form of an ox; according to the Cabala, he is one of the seven angels that rule the earth. He is also associated with the skies and is in charge of the zodiac sign of Aries and instructs others on the course of the Moon. In occult circles he is one of the nine angels of the summer equinox and can protect against the evil eye.

What follows is as complete a list of the Watchers' names as I can find; I will add names as I discover more of them.

1. Semyaza, Shemyaza, Semjaza, Semiaza, Samyaza, Shemhazai
"Taught enchantments and root-cuttings."

2. Azazel, Azazyel, Azaziel
"Taught men to make swords, knives, shields, breastplates, the fabrication of mirrors and the workmanship of bracelets and ornaments, the use of paint, the beautifying of the eyebrows, the use of stones of every valuable and select kind, and of all sorts of dyes, so that the world became altered."

"Taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures."

3. Amazarak
"Taught all the sorcerers, and dividers of roots."

4. Armers, Armeros, Armaros
"Taught the solution of sorcery."
"Taught the resolving of enchantments."

5. Barkayal, Baraqijal, Baraqel
"Taught the observers of the stars."
"Taught astrology."

6. Kokabel, Kawkabel, Kakabel
"Taught the science of the constellations."

7. Ezeqeel, Ezekeel
"Taught the knowledge of the clouds."

8. Araqiel, Arakiel
"Taught the signs of the earth."

9. Shamsiel, Shamshiel
"Taught the signs of the sun."

10. Sariel,, Suriel, Zerachiel, Saraquel, Asardel
"Taught the motion of the moon."
"Taught the course of the moon."

11. Akibeel
"Taught signs."

12. Tamiel
"Taught astronomy."

13. Penemue
"Taught the bitter and the sweet, the use of ink and paper."

14. Kasdeja, Kisdeja
"Taught the children of men all the wicked smitings of spirits and demons, and the smitings of the embryo in the womb, that it may pass away."

15. Gadreel
"Introduced weapons of war."

16. Ramuell
17. Danel
18. Azkeel
19. Saraknyal
20. Asael
21. Batraal
22. Anane
23. Zavebe
24. Samsaveel
25. Ertael
26. Turel
27. Yomvael
28. Urakabarameel




The many names of the Nephilim

"The Nefilim ('Fallen Ones') bore many other tribal names, such as Emim ('Terrors'), Repha'im ('Weakeners'), Gibborim ('Giant Heroes'), Zamzummim ('Achievers'), Anakim ('Long-necked' or 'Wearers of Necklaces'), Awwim ('Devastators' or 'Serpents'). One of the Nefilim named Arba is said to have built the city of Hebron, called 'Kiriath-Arba' after him, and become the father of Anak whose three sons, Sheshai, Ahiman and Talmai, were later expelled by Joshua's comrade Caleb. Since, however, arba means 'four' in Hebrew, Kiriath-Arba may have originally have meant 'City of Four,' a reference to its four quarters mythically connected with the Anakite clans: Anak himself and his 'sons' Sheshai, Ahiman and Talmai."
- Robert Graves and Raphael Patai, Hebrew Myths: The Book of Genesis

[ltr]http://echoes.devin.com/watchers/names.html[/ltr]

Read correctly, there is no doubt that a repeat of Genesis 6 is to occur. If one reads Matt. 24, Daniel 2, and Genesis 6, there is clearly something different about the mysterious "they" that mingle their seed with the seed of >MEN<......Does anyone not understand that this genetic/big pharma/vaccination stuff has been done before, just probably in another way? Christ said that "they" would be marrying and giving in marriage without a clue what was coming. Daniel says that "they" would "mingle" their children with ours. I am convinced that it has already begun. Look at the abnormal behavior all around you, look at the reprobates acting out their depravity. Does a normal, image of God human act like that? I was a wicked bastard, and I still fight my carnal nature, but I ain't never(red it in redneck) dun' shit like that!!
Fellow board members, they are chemically castrating their own male children to turn them into girls, for the love of the Almighty!!!!! It is the same reprobation that was prevalent in Sodom and Gomorrah that continued in the "after that" of Genesis 6. Ya'll are about to see shit that you can't even rationally look at, much less understand. Oh, you guys will. The MOTB will be financially related, we know that, BUT I do think it will administered and applied genetically. How? Oh, its above my paygrade, but I do think the technology is here and may very well be in a testing phase as I type this.

Now, to start the project from last year that I didn't finish due to my wifes illness. Its a winter long project to keep moving because if i sit here all winter, my ass may grow roots in this chair this spring. If I stay active, I might get in one more garden......m

michael371 wrote:

I do think it will administered and applied genetically. How? Oh, its above my paygrade, but I do think the technology is here and may very well be in a  testing phase as I type this.

 
I've wondered about this for years. One thing that comes to me every single time is how much of the so called alien factor is nothing more than a genetic testing ground. I'm talking about humans hiding behind the mask of so called aliens. You must keep people away from "The Truth".  Flood the world with the alien agenda deception and use it to cover the tracks of an inner genetic human project. With the internet what it is today and on into the future it makes it so much easier to control the masses. One huge goal are for lies to become truths and truths to become lies in the lives and minds of "The Whole World".

Once they have the mind they control every movement they desire. The test subjects are just that......"Nothing more than rats to be destoyed once the genetic Eden goal is discovered." It's not for the masses,it's for those sitting in"The Penthouse". The Adversary is the master hidden behind the curtain.

If I could manufacture a being in a lab from genetics of human, animal or Watcher,would this being be under GRACE as man is?.......EVERYTHING after it's own kind would be blown apart. God didn't create that being,I did. By using God's creation I've now learned to create [Off creation].

I believe things will play out as it was in the days of Noah. All flesh had been corrupted by the genetically altered humans and they were no longer Sons of Adam except for Noah and his family.

I believe this same act is already in the beginning stages and will move rapidly in the near future. The big plan is to prevent any flesh from being saved. Once our human genetics are manipulated and hybrids are created we no longer will be Sons of Adam and we will die and be lost. Remember none of the Nephilim would,could or will be saved. The big plan in the days of Noah was to corrupt the bloodline that would lead to the Birth of Christ. Now the goal is to destroy the genetics,the bloodline of all Sons of Adam,so they can't be redeemed.......No flesh be saved.

>EVERY< culture on this planet has this story in some form, whether its Star People or Annunaki or Giants or some form of ET. The "gods" mating with earth women is accepted without reservation and of they all have their spin on it, but its foundationally the same

First off,who or what are the ET's and were they a creation of God,or did they spring off creation?........"Are they hybrids?"

If the ET's are [God's creation] and the sin of DEATH is on them,then they also as man [must be changed]. Once death is destroyed by God and is no more,[all creation] will have then been cleansed and the stain removed. This is the purpose of new heavens and a new earth. We see in Revelation that every creature in heaven will know of Christ. 

Revelation 5:13


And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.



There is no doubt that there can be no stain remaining on any creation to enter into the Heavenly Age. If God were to tolerate even a small amount of rebellion in his creation, it would eventually destroy the whole creation if not taken out.

Host... in Genesis 2:1 in Strong's Concordance 06635 is defined....

1) that which goes forth, army, war, warfare, host
a) army, host
1) host (of organised army)
2) host (of angels)
3) of sun, moon, and stars
4) of whole creation
b) war, warfare, service, go out to war
c) service

Most want to say that the host of heaven are just the planets, sun, moon, stars,... celestial bodies, or to the cosmos in general. The word or words...host...host of heaven...heavenly host...and Lord of host...take on a different meaning and are not always pointing to the same thing. Many times it points to God's whole creation......EVERYTHING in the heavens.

Nehemiah 9:6 Thou, [even] thou, [art] LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their HOST, the earth, and all [things] that [are] therein, the seas, and all that [is] therein, and thou preservest them all; and the HOST of heaven worshippeth thee.

In other places we can see that the host of heaven is referring to something other than celestial bodies.

1Kings 22:19 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the HOST of heaven STANDING by him on his right hand and on his left.


Luke 2:13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly HOST praising God, and saying,

"What if, by corrupting the species barrier in which each creature was to recreate after its "own kind," Watchers had successfully mingled human-animal DNA and combined the hereditary traits of different species into a single new mutation? An entirely new being—Nephilim—might have suddenly possessed the combined intelligence and instincts (seeing, hearing, smelling, reacting to the environment) of several life forms and in ways unfamiliar to creation." (Sue Bradley)

You are driving on the right road, keep traveling scarz

1 Timothy 4:1


Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;


“Man... must perceive a reality of crystalline purity – his own soul, his own Godself...the Godhood and the Christed Consciousness within...

So, my brothers, my sisters, a time we have long spoken of as a manifestation, not a promise, but a manifestation of the God within... we who observe from the craft and from the upper levels have long waited for this time that we may descend in vast numbers to the surface of the planet Earth, that we may walk once more with our brothers...”

- Raymere a Space Being, channeled through Aleuti Francesca, (Gods of Aquarius, p. 112)


“As with many UFO contactees, Moi-ra and Ra-Ja Dove are convinced that the Aquarian Age is heralding in a new religion. Even the word religion will not be used anymore. For the main crux of the matter will have a much deeper sense of reality. The person will evolve out of believing in something into becoming something. The person will know what the religions of the ancient age have always tried to demonstrate: to be still and know that you are god! Indeed, this is the great new religion! Each and every person will know that he is god.”

- Brad Steiger, (The Fellowship, p.170)


“The average citizen does not realize that a techno-occultic bill of goods is being sold to the public by some scientists, politicians, and entertainment personalities. The man on the street is gazing at the stars because he is being told by so many 'authorities' that not only is man evolving, but that there are other evolving civilizations more advanced than ours, and that some day we will be friends and partners with these aliens in a grand adventure in an upward process of evolution leading to godhood!”

- David Allen Lewis, (UFO End-Time Delusion, p. 116)

scarz, i do think that this has been going on for a good,long time. One would have to think that in genesis 6, the watchers were not scary looking, space alien weirdo looking, otherwise they would not agreed to marry them, with the exception of an abduction situation. My guess is that they look an awful lot like us, probably better looking. i think we differ on exactly what they are, and where they come from, but the premise is the same

Many people just don't see the spirit world for what it really is. There is a spiritual war going on all the time around us.

Daniel 10:12-14


Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.


But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.


Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.





Below is some great comments on this passage from Ron Dart's booklet he wrote called [The Tracks of the Devil].


Now the vision Daniel received in answer to his prolonged prayer is fascinating enough, but in the process of revealing the vision, the messenger of God dropped a small piece of tantalising information. Most of us believe that God is all powerful, that all He has to do is say the word and all powers, human and demonic, fall down before Him. Yet here is an emissary of God who is held up for three weeks by someone called the 'Prince of Persia.' Who is this 'Prince of Persia' and how was he able to thwart an angel of the Almighty?

Consider the picture. Daniel fasts and prays to God. God hears him and immediately dispatches an answer. The problem is that Daniel is inside the kingdom of Persia, and God's messenger has to fight his way in! It is no small battle—it takes three weeks to make it. Think what this means. There was a spirit being, called the Prince of Persia, who was strong enough to stand off an angel of God for three weeks. In the end, it takes two to one odds to win, and the battle is still not over. Michael, another Prince of God, keeps the Prince of Persia busy while the angel comes to Daniel to deliver the message.

One would have thought that God could have whispered in Daniel's ear, or that the angel could simply have materialised in Daniel's room....What this story reveals to us, almost as an aside, is that there is a spiritual world alongside our world, invisible to us, but real, vibrant, alive and dangerous. We use the word infrastructure to describe the physical structure underlying our society—water pipes, sewers, utilities—things underground and invisible, but real and necessary, nonetheless.

What comes as a shock is the fact that there is also a spiritual infrastructure—unseen, unsensed, invisible, but nonetheless real and powerful. Not only is there a spirit world co-existing with our own, but there are spiritual battles routinely fought around us, and the outcome is by no means automatic (p.3-4).

Yep...."as above, so below".....the physical world is shaped by that spiritual world...what we have going on now in the country is not a political war, its a spiritual war...The children of God are the salt that is preserving it before it is faced with the same destruction as Sodom and Gomorrah. THE DEPRAVITY THAT YOU SEE IS NOT NATURAL TO THE BEHAVIOR OF A CARNAL MAN!!!!! sin?....our natural spirituality is a carnal, sinful life. The things that I am seeing now?....that behavior comes from a the depraved mind of a reprobate entity or entities....The unseen realm is just as real as the one we live in, just more powerful and dangerous outside of God

What we have is what has been told, what has been handed down, things that we have studied and researched. Are books,articles, research of the last 100 years somehow at a higher standard than ancient writings from hundreds or thousands of years ago?.....NO! Just because something is ancient, does that somehow lower it to only a myth,fantasy or fairy tale? Were these people somehow less credible because this took place in ancient days?

Let's look into the future and thousands of years from now some of todays greatest works of the history of the twentieth and twenty first centuries are discovered. I can only wonder how many people would really believe it occurred as it was written in those books. Would it only be a legend,myth,fantasy or fairy tale in their eyes? Would some believe and have faith it was authentic without being there to see it for themselves?

Michael Heiser writes......"What if, when Jesus said that there would be signs in the heavens pointing to the second coming, he meant exactly what he said? Not that we could know the day or hour (which Jesus flatly said we could not) - but which would give us SOME information."

As one of my art teachers pointed out to me many years ago,"Your art work doesn't lie. It tells a tale of a dark world, and deep inside of you that world is well known."

This whole story will play out much like the parable of the ten virgins. Five virgins had oil in their lamps and were prepared for the (Their Bridegroom) when he came.

Five virgins had no oil,and I believe this is symbolic of them not being prepared for the arrival of the Lord Jesus Christ. They had burned all their oil when the (False Bridegroom) came. They fell prey to the deceptive first bridegroom who was none other than the Destroyer. They should have known the signs and waited for the second bridegroom to come,which is Christ The Lord.

This is where many people miss the boat. There will be two comings,not one. The first coming will be the Antichrist,the second coming will be The Lord Jesus Christ.

The World is full of words of sugar,but the sugar sweetens only for a little season. This is why I believe any knowledge,no matter how great it first seems will have an evil outcome in the hands of sinful men/women or fallen heavenly Messengers. All the knowledge the Watchers (Sons of God) revealed to man was something that at that point in time was suppose to remain hidden (Secret). Doesn't mean that God would not have revealed it all at some point in time. That Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is a great example of the start up.  When in the hands of a fallen sinful creation, knowledge will be used in many evil ways.

yeah, nearly all these "new" (really old) developments in technology were actually developed for the purpose of war. look, i'll state this again to make a point: When Christ rode a jackass into jerusalem around 2000 years ago, that was about the limit of mans ability to move about on land. Then, for approximately 1900 years, that mode of transportation remained. Then, we had the development of the steam and combustible engines. What took so long? Men surely didn't grow more brain cells and wake up one morning instantly smarter. From then to now is not much over a century, so in just a little over a mans lifetime, man went from riding a train with a steam engine, communicating by telegraph to space travel (rumored to be much more than this) and cell phones. CERN, Genetic alterations and so many other processes are being carried out that its scary.
you get the picture. did men suddenly get much brighter or was this technology "revealed" to them by a supernatural entity? In case you have not noticed, the average person is dumber than a bag of shit, but there are some very brilliant people, a little too brilliant if you ask me, doing R&D that appear to be "different." I am convinced a repeat of the revealing of secrets of heaven is happening again, described in the book of enoch. man didn't get real smart this fast without help!

It does make you wonder doesn't it? I believe this all went down at Babel and was the reason God slowed it down. Now and on into the future the plan is to pour all back into a giant mixing pot. Even all religions will be cast into the mixing. Be part of the system or be the one the whole world points their fingers at........"You will be the problem that must be dealt with."

Remember these words from Genesis 11:6-7......

"The Lord said, 'Behold, they are one people and they all have the same language. And this is what they began to do, and now nothing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them. Come,let us go down and there confuse their language so that they will not understand one another's speech."

I believe the words are very literal......."and now nothing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them."

We are suppose to be one in The LORD not one with man outside of The LORD.

Man coming together as one outside of The LORD is antichrist in nature. This is an (instead of) world system,this is Babylon.

Man could (can!) only be restrained from their enterprises, and hindered from executing them, by divine power. And this is what was done......."The LORD stepped in and put a stop at this point in time."

How advanced were the people before the flood?...."I believe much more than most ever imagine."

How much of the pre-flood knowledge remained after the case?

By spreading the people outward into the earth at Babel God was able to prevent man from gaining more knowledge too quickly. The workforce split into small nations instead of one massive unit. Those with great minds separated from one another.

With every great mind on earth together in accord and of one language,plus a massive workforce nothing would be restrained from them accomplishing without divine power stepping in to prevent it.

The LORD saw the need to not stand still on this issue. The LORD took a stand to restrain their actions, withhold their actions ,make it fail,or make it impossible for them to succeed........."Or it would have succeeded." 

Todays question is how much will God allow now and on into the future before he either slows it down again or puts a final ending to it?

I think our country is the last vestige that will fall. The reason so many different ethic groups and "refugees are allowed in is to water down the pride and adherence of the Constitution and Bill of Rights and allow a society to form that has been dumbed down and to be turned into a population that is more easily controlled. That has been successful. To also alienate any form of God in the way that we hold God to be is another part of the plan. Not to completely destroy the concept of God as in Marxism, but to change the dynamics away from a Christian God, to a more universally acceptable form. Maybe to one with the symbolism containing a crescent moon and a star? Those folks sure do seem to be gaining ground around the globe, don't they?

Where you at scarz?...i'm bumping this to jog you back into gear

michael371 wrote:

Where you at scarz?...i'm bumping this to jog you back into gear

Things not going well at home. My oldest sister is now in the hospital and I'm having to take care of my Father without any help. I was already doing most of the work but now I've got it all.

I will do my best to try and drop in when I get some time. Try and keep things going around this place. If you have anything you care to share please lay it out in the thread.

Take care Michael

Here is something I don't think many people see. Jesus Christ came to save Israel from Israel not the Romans. No different than today Jesus Christ wants to save Americans from America. And this is a call to the whole earth of nations......."Come out of her My People." 

We are not to be of The World....."Babylon". 

I don't care what most people believe......"The nations of this world and I'm talking about the kingdoms and governments are still ruled over by dark forces (Fallen Sons of God)." They do not always get along and war with each other......."Power and control is their drug." Humans are no more to them than puppets on the masters strings.

If I may add some of my thoughts to this, and I agree it was not about the Romans.

IF Israel had understood the words of Moses and the Prophets, and thereby recognized Yeshua for Who and What He was and is, He would have established them then in Righteousness, made them the Light upon the Hill for, and the Authority over ALL nations based upon His Kingdom, not the kingdom of any worldly, fallen nation (as Israel STILL is).  Today's movement is trying to rectify that in America, and then to the world.

They failed because they had no Spiritual discernment.  They interpreted everything based on the flesh.  Their idea of ruling, of conquering was by the flesh.  They judged Him by the flesh.
Without attaining the Holy Spirit, the masses had no vision and no understanding of the Higher Power,even though Jesus explained it over and over.

To Come Out of Her, My People...I've thought an awful lot about this.  Can it even be accomplished in the physical in today's world.   We once joked that if this is the requirement, then only the Amish will be saved. 
What of the trappings of this life (of Babylon) do I give up?  I am not equipped to live off the grid.  That's not a talent God gave me, and it's not where He put me. 
So, obviously it means something else. 

Let me go on for just a minute, and it is not in any way to refute what you said.  It's just more thoughts (but based on some direct experience).

It is not that I learn from the Word OR from the Spirit and then expect to use my own judgement based on my knowledge or lack thereof.  (Not that I don't refer and rely on them for correction and/or confirmation).  
The Holy Spirit authored the Word.  He should be speaking to us, guiding and directing through the Word, and bringing the Word to mind.

In general, we seem to accept the Word that we are to be a vessel for the Spirit.  AND that as we are created as a vessel, we are subject to the entrance of wrong spirits, wrong desires, wrong goals, word, deeds, etc.  And we must wake up and SEEK the Holy Spirit, and put down ALL that would lead us to temptation, to subjugation of wrong spirits.

But it's MORE than that.  There needs to be a yielding to the Spirit, a daily 'crucifying of self', so that it is HE WHO DOES THE THING.  
We are not the Power.  The Power needs to be able to MOVE THROUGH US, without our hindrance, so that He is free to accomplish HIS will on earth as it is in Heaven.

When we are THERE, living, doing and being that instruction, then the Kingdom of God is open to us, and MUCH is given.  More than we can ask or think.
And THERE, I believe is the fundamental Truth of coming out of Babylon.

Not by (our) might, nor by (our) power, but by My Holy Spirit, says the Lord.
HE lifts us out of the kingdoms of the world and into His Kingdom, our eternal Home.

Here is what I'm speaking of........."We no doubt must live in this world as did Jesus,but as Jesus we are not to be of this world." This is The World....."The Babylon I'm referring to."

This I call a modern day spiritual Exodus. One day in the future I believe there could be a modern day physical Exodus as the life circle returns to days of the past.

The prophecy of Malachy doesn't necessarily mean the last Pope (Black Pope) will have a black skin color. It very well may be pointing to his true nature. In other words he will not wear the garment of white (light)that springs from within,but rather wears a garment of blackness (darkness) from within.

It doesn't matter what he may appear outwardly to wear,it's all about the true nature within. Fleshly (physical) eyes are easily deceived.

The whole Malachy prophecy of the popes comes down to those who have undertaken to interpret and explain these symbolical prophecies. Much like Nostradamus the words can be taken and inserted with an outcome already taken place. Make them fit as you think they fit.

To be honest I don't take any of it very seriously. I can talk about it,but that's as far as it goes for me.

"During the last persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit upon the throne, Peter the Roman, who will feed the sheep amid great tribulations, and when these are passed, the City of the Seven Hills will be utterly destroyed, and the awful Judge will then judge the people" - St. Malachy

The whole "Black Pope" prophecy is something attributed to Malachy.

So is it or isn't it?

Here is a very old Italian prophecy that consist of The Black Pope and The White Pope.

"When the White Pope and the Black Pope shall die during the same night, then there will dawn upon the Christian nations the Great White Day."

There is someone already known as The Black Pope. The Black Pope is a nickname given to the Father General of the Society of Jesus. When the Jesuits were the most prestigious, influential missionary order in the world, the people of Rome began to speak jokingly of their head as a second Pope. They called him The Black Pope because he wore the Jesuits black clerical garb, in contrast to the real Pope, who wore white and became known as The White Pope.

I don't think the Vatican likes admitting they take the Malachy prophecies seriously,but their actions speak much differently.

I wonder if one day the Pope will take his seat to Jerusalem? It certainly would be a move for the ages wouldn't it?

They have been after Jerusalem for centuries. Catholicism is the best religion that the devil has because it blends its true nature with a bastardized form of "christianity"....>Paul< founded the church at rome, so why do the bastards claim that peter was the first "pope?"....because people are stupid enough to let them,thats why

ScaRZ wrote:

Here is what I'm speaking of........."We no doubt must live in this world as did Jesus,but as Jesus we are not to be of this world." This is The World....."The Babylon I'm referring to."

This I call a modern day spiritual Exodus. One day in the future I believe there could be a modern day physical Exodus as the life circle returns to days of the past.

A modern day physical Exodus makes me think of :


Aliyah is the immigration of Jews from the diaspora to the Land of Israel. Also defined as "the act of going up"—that is, towards Jerusalem—"making Aliyah" by moving to the Land of Israel 
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There was some migration begun a significant number of years prior
to 1947.  Then 47-48 and on.  Then there was a resurgence not so many years ago.  Maybe 2010-11?  Definitely between 2008 and 2015.
I don't imagine I'll be able to go back and check the history, but perhaps you remember as well?   


Depending on how far the world reverts to the days of old, there are jews on other continents that may need to get moving if they want to make it.
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Mike said, Paul< founded the church at rome, so why do the bastards claim that peter was the first "pope?"....because people are stupid enough to let them,thats why
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Really.  And seeing as rome killed them both....wow...the nerve.

This is another dream I had a while back that I have never forgotten.

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I was inside a huge metal rectangular shape building with only one small glass window. While I stood gazing out the window the sky was very dark as storm clouds gathered and a mighty roar of thunder shook the floor. At that very moment I saw Seven White Tornadoes descend from the dark clouds one by one. They were not the color of the dark storm clouds but white as snow.

Within only a matter of seconds a beautiful White Horse appears on a hill side and runs down into the valley a good distance from the building. The White Horse stopped,looked directly at me then began to run all around the valley. As the Seven White Tornadoes rolled into the valley, the White Horse would run with great furry at each tornado one by one,leaning back on it's hind legs and kicking it's front legs high in the air. Every time the White Horse would kick at the White Tornadoes,one by one all seven ascended back into the dark clouds and never returned.

The White Horse ran back up the hill it first appeared on and turned my direction and made eye to eye contact with me. Then with such speed it ran down the hill into the valley coming straight for me. With such power and speed it was upon me before I could blink an eye. At full speed it's front legs crashed into the small window sending fragments of glass through the air.

At that moment the front legs of the White Horse were fighting in front of my face and I took my hands pushing the legs out of the window.

At that moment I woke from the dream.

Jesus gives a warning that many would go back to the old wine after tasting the New. I believe Jesus is saying many had rather go back to The Old Law than staying with The New......."Why?".........This reminds me of the Hebrew Roots ministries. 

Luke 5:37-39


And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.


But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.


No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.