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OK, thanks Dove. I will take a look at this but  the introduction to the site  on the beginning page ruffled my feathers a bit .  I'll take a look at the actual Wiles link and be cautious around this presenter's site.
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Yes..I probably should have looked him up BEFORE posting about it.  LOL!


           
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now!! you are catching on about the difference in IS-RA-EL and Israel. The OT is Christianity in a concealed form. Judaism is diametrically opposed to OT worship

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Some interesting post by (Dove and Bordercollie). I have not been on since Sunday morning, so give me some time and I will respond. I have no idea who Rick Wiles is.

The Black Stone (Kaaba) is something I've never looked into with great detail. 

Significantly, the word “Qur’an” means “The Recitation” — literally, to speak. According to Islam the Qur’an is the “word of Allah” as given to Mohammed by the “Angel Gabriel.”

To the world of Islamic fundamentalism, the Qur’an will “come to life” as it were. In their minds the revival of such a Caliphate or arrival of the Mahdi will be like a “miraculous fulfillment” of the “word of Allah” and Muslims all around the world will envision world conquest for the Ummah.

Caliphate.....is “government under a caliph.” A caliph is a spiritual leader of Islam who claims succession from Muhammad. The word stems from the Arabic khalifa meaning “successor.”

Ummah....."ummah refers to the whole Muslim world, or the community of believers. As a theological concept, the ummah is meant to transcend national, racial, and class divisions to unite all Muslims."


      

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The Haaj black cube contains a meteor which fell from heaven, and is certainly worshipped.
Do any of us know WHY?  What do they believe of it? 

Anyone who is a Muslim will make it clear, they worship only Allah. Nor do they worship the black stone set within the walls of the Kaaba. Muslims pray five times a day in the direction of Kaaba which is universal.

When the Black Stone came down from Paradise, it was whiter than milk, but the sins of the sons of Adam made it turn black. 

The Kaaba was a sanctuary in pre-Islamic times. Muslims believe that Abraham (known as Ibrahim in the Islamic tradition), and his son, Ismail, constructed the Kaaba. Tradition holds that it was originally a simple unroofed rectangular structure. The Quraysh tribe, who ruled Mecca, rebuilt the pre-Islamic Kaaba in c. 608 C.E. with alternating courses of masonry and wood. A door was raised above ground level to protect the shrine from intruders and flood waters.

Muhammad was driven out of Mecca in 620 C.E. to Yathrib, which is now known as Medina. Upon his return to Mecca in 629/30 C.E., the shrine became the focal point for Muslim worship and pilgrimage. The pre-Islamic Kaaba housed the Black Stone and statues of pagan gods. Muhammad reportedly cleansed the Kaaba of idols upon his victorious return to Mecca, returning the shrine to the monotheism of Ibrahim. The Black Stone is believed to have been given to Ibrahim by the Angel Gabriel and is revered by Muslims. Muhammad made a final pilgrimage in 632 C.E., the year of his death, and thereby established the rites of pilgrimage.


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I was thinking of the Angel of Light that appeared to Mohammed. In an interesting way, 
I've (we've) read that a RCC nun validated his experience as real and Holy.  The description
of the angel as beautiful, full of light and bejeweled fits with part of the description of satan as he was in heaven.  

Do you think it connects?

2 Corinthians 11:14-15........"And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.....So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds."

This is the number one reason we are suppose to test the spirits. All spirits who remain loyal to The LORD God will never be offended by mankind testing them. The Adversary (Satan) as well as his servants (Whether they be spiritual or flesh and blood humans) will deceive by bringing a message of light......"not what they say, but what they do." It can sound and feel so great to the flesh that we are blind to the fruit they bear.........."by their fruits you will know them."

I have wondered over the years how much of earths history has been shaped not by humans alone, but by evil spirits deceiving humans. 

I'll tell you something my sister came to me with around a month ago. She was just driving down the road and she noticed someone standing on the side of the road. She said in her mind she knew it was Jesus. She described to an overall feeling of peace and goodness that she felt at that moment. In a flash the person was no longer there, vanishing.

The first question I ask her.........."How do you know it was Jesus?" She answered....I just felt it. 

Of coarse I told her Jesus Christ warned us over and over to not believe he has returned until certain things must occur. Jesus Christ lays it out very clearly how he will return and every eye will see him coming. Until then, do not believe it. Most importantly don't be deceived by signs and wonders by anyone or anything. There are dark spirits always in the mix, playing on our senses.

She got a little ticked off at me because I took up residence on the other side of the fence. I told her I was doing my best to warn her, not agree with her. If you and someone else are walking together and suddenly they get off balance and are about to fall into a ditch, do you do nothing, or do you reach out and extend a helping hand?


      

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Angels come with that peacefulness we associate with heaven.  I do believe that even at our 'instinct' level we can sense and know the good from the evil. 
And when it happens, it is known first at a deeper level than 'thinking about it'.


We do have to be careful regarding what we deduce with our brain, as opposed to   experience at the level of soul/Spirit. 


The world is full of testimonies of those who have encountered Jesus, both
on the earth and in near death experience. Far Far too many to discount.
And it changes people for the better.  Good Fruit!!!


You can tell her I understand and support her fully, so she knows she's not alone.
Wink  And men DO have encounters as well.  Wink


           
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As you mentioned something about new topics (or something similar Wink, I may have one if it appeals to you.


We put a toe into Islam for a second there, and then left it again.  Maybe too soon.


As I was thinking back through both what history and recent events (we think we know), the place to start seems to be back to the beginning.  To Abraham, Sarai/Sarah and God. 


I'll gloss over it as you know it well.  It was not God who banished Ishmael.  It was Sarah and her lack of faith/understanding, throughout the entire story. 


She heard the Word of God from her husband, but  could not escape her logical thinking enough to trust that God had a Way to fulfill His Word. (Always) So she arranged for her Egyptian maid, Hagar to be the surrogate mother.   And again, as the boys grew, she feared that Ishmael would threaten Isaac's place, and demanded Abraham send Hagar and Ishmael away into the desert.


When Hagar called out to God to spare them, God made her great promises for Ishmael's future.
Promises full of blessings.  My point is that God loved them, and promised to provide a rich future with no curse attached.  Not one. 


Jumping to today, we've learned that what we've been told re: the middle east is a bunch of lies.
Iran in the 70's under the Shah was for all appearances America, till SOMEBODY killed the Shah and installed an Imam.


ISIS???  Us-the U.S.    Beheadings?  Green screen.
Gadhafi in Libya?  Murdered by us. He wanted to go to a gold standard.  
Saddam?  Same thing.
Our great enemy Bin Ladin?  Shown in suit and tie getting along just fine with Congressional leaders whenever he happened to be in Washington.
We know he was a cia asset.
These Congressmen?  Dual citizenship.  With Israel.
Bombings?  Puleeze.
So when we say cia, we have to say mossad, 5eyes, mil-industrial complex, shadow gov't, etc.
Don't forget the Vatican was in there stirring up Islam against Israel, from WW2 on, and maybe much longer.  They certainly had a horrid time in Russia. 


I have had to rethink who I call my enemy.  And that's still ignoring what Jesus said on the matter.
How much history, including religious beliefs, is just the next man echoing another's mistakes?  And how much of all of it is driven by 'satan'-sinfulness.
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No matter what ethnic group we fit in, we all have the very same flesh. Very simply put, the flesh is in a constant battle with the spirit. There are good traits and bad traits inside each and every human. A verse of scripture always comes to my mind when I think about this........."Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." (James 4:7)

I also remember......"The Two Wolves" (A CHEROKEE STORY)

A young boy came to his Grandfather, filled with anger at another boy who had done him an injustice.

The old Grandfather said to his grandson, Let me tell you a story. I too, at times, have felt a great hate for those that have taken so much, with no sorrow for what they do. But hate wears you down, and hate does not hurt your enemy. Hate is like taking poison and wishing your enemy would die. I have struggled with these feelings many times.

It is as if there are two wolves inside me; one wolf is good and does no harm. He lives in harmony with all around him and does not take offence when no offence was intended. He will only fight when it is right to do so, and in the right way. But the other wolf, is full of anger. The littlest thing will set him into a fit of temper.

He fights everyone, all the time, for no reason. He cannot think because his anger and hate are so great. It is helpless anger, because his anger will change nothing. Sometimes it is hard to live with these two wolves inside me, because both of the wolves try to dominate my spirit.

The boy looked intently into his Grandfather's eyes and asked, Which wolf will win, Grandfather?

The Grandfather smiled and said, "The one I feed."


      

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Dove wrote:
How much history, including religious beliefs, is just the next man echoing another's mistakes?  And how much of all of it is driven by 'satan'-sinfulness.
Thoughts?

"The Way"......Is a believer and follower of Jesus Christ. I do not view this as a religion. Just because the label of "Christian" is worn, that does not always reflect someone as a true believer and follower of Jesus Christ......"The Way"

{Prime example}: "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.....On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?'.....And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.' (Matthew 7:21-23)

I view (The Root, The Very Beginning) of "Religion" was The Babylonian Mystery Religion. From that root rose up a tree of religion, that has many branches of religions that have sprung off from "One root that gave life to one tree". Don't let anyone fool you into believing small twigs of The Babylonian Mystery Religion is any different than a branch......."The twig is attached to the branch." So very many of the customs and traditions that are only tiny twigs share the branch, the tree, the root and the very blood that gives life.


      

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Yes,  a Pilgrim of The Way, a Christ Follower. The Way to live, move and have our Being on the
Way Home. Wink  That's how I see it, too.

I don't know as I've ever posted a drop here before, but this one is perfect for what we're discussing. 
And it has Truth Bombs that only one who has it all, would know.

Remember The Mossad Students in Tower 2 just before September 11 2001?

Remember Netanyahu said he thought 9/11 was good for America?

Remember Israel's back door into Silicon Valley?

Remember they created the Saudi Wahabi to control the Internet and turn you against Islam. 
You would remember Facebook being controlled by Saudi Fact Checkers.

Remember they got Bin Talal to do it.

Bin Talal paid for Obama's Harvard Schooling

Remember who created the Mossad & Saudi Intel?

Remember The UK Rothschilds Created Israel - Balfour Declaration

Remember who Sanctioned 9/11?

QUEEN OF ENGLAND.

The same Queen who got the Sanussi/Hassan Family to kill JFK.

Remember Saudi has been Flipped.


           
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Scarz, I am so glad that you corrected your sister. Those people that have these "experiences" are usually easily  influenced by false doctrine, usually from the tv penecostals and their 'gospel." A solid knowledge base of scripture will put a stop to fantastical spiritual breakdowns. I'm sure your sister thought she saw Jesus but kind of thinking can be dangerous because it might make her more subjective to existential Christianity and the errors contained in it.

The 'spiritual gift" era ended with the death of the last apostle, yet you still have people practicing it and broadcasting that if a person does not have them, they are not saved. Thats heresy:

“Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.” [1 Cor. 13: 8-13]

Its very clear that the remaining gifts are faith,hope and charity.

Roman catholicism is responsible for a helluva' lot of Jesus sightings,too. They have Mary sighting, Jesus sightings, Madonna and child sightings,etc. Funny thing is, they all look like their statues that they bow down to after they give their descriptions of their "experience". Unfortunately, most of these sighting are originated by the devil but some are from the minds of people who are just searching for something to hold on to to feel something.

I'm not saying that these sighting didn't happen, no way I'm saying that because they do. I'm just saying that they contradict scripture and if they do that then it ain't Jesus.

Scarz, I'm sure that your sister thought that the dude was Jesus because she CONVINCED herself that it was. An outside influence from somewhere triggered that. You might have her come over some and spend some time with her to establish a sound scriptural basis. Without a sound basis, you know what happens.

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Thank you Michael, I tried my best to warn her. I went to The Bible and quoted verses to show her why I stand where I do. So many people let their fleshly senses dictate their beliefs. I've learned over the years to lay out the word but never attempt to force feed. Most people will run faster the more you attempt to force anything.


      

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Jeremiah 33:3
‘Call to Me, and I will answer you, and show you great and [a]mighty things, which you do not know.’



1 Corinthians 2:14

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.




John 14:15-30
15 “If you love me, keep my commands.
16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—
17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.
18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live.
20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.
21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”
22 Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?”
23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.
24 Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
25 “All this I have spoken while still with you.
26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.
28 “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
29 I have told you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe.


           
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I say this first and foremost, "Don't Be Fooled." 

Jesus Christ told us exactly what to look for. Anything other than this and it will be a deception. The real deal will one day arrive but don't be deceived into lying signs and wonders. Don't ever give up on Jesus Christ return and don't ever give in to something that doesn't fulfill to the letter. Jesus Christ coming will be a very public event as lightning covers the sky from east to west and everybody will see him when this event occurs. No local storm is brewing here people, this will be a world wide event.

If anyone or anything tells us they have seen Jesus Christ, we should without doubt know it's deception. The whole earth will know for sure when that day is a reality, it will not be a secret event. 

We can talk about all manor of events of prophecy but without knowledge of this prophecy there will only remain deception. We know by reading scripture there will be a massive deception in these end times. I'll say it again, "Don't Be Fooled." 


This is why I stand where I stand. These below are the red lettered Dominical words spoken by Jesus Christ himself.


Matthew 24:23-27

Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Behold, I have told you before.

Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


      

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Yes definitely those words have their place regarding the antichrist-and the false christs that have
existed throughout time.  One should be able to discern the difference.

Is there even 'time' left to bring here all that Jesus taught of the Kingdom?  

Where is the Kingdom of God right now?  This very minute. That could well be a good place to start.  The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation - Page 7 1f64f


           
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Just saying, that wasn't a challenge question, in that yes, it's terribly important, but no, you absolutely have no 'anything' (obligation, etc etc..) to respond to my bringing it up, of course.

It's more an invitation/suggestion to another area of study/conversation. The choice always belongs to the individual. But I'd join in on any conversation as much as I can if you see one there. 
It would be interesting in that it's a personal journey of discovery, between us and God, yet as always not subject to personal interpretation.
It is a very rich topic with much scripture to substantiate. Wink

It's after midnight, so I hope I worded this right... I'm only here with love and
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Matthew 12:28......."But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you."


John 1:26......."John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;"


The Kingdom of God had come and was present in Jesus Christ. Remember the words of Jesus Christ......."I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me." (John 17:23)


The Kingdom was already there in the presence of The King whose presence marks a kingdom.


The Kingdom of Heaven is only found in the Book of Matthew?......(thirty three times)


Matthew speaks of The Kingdom of God five times, Mark fifteen times, Luke thirty three times, and John twice. Outside of the four gospels only fifteen times.


None of the others use the term Kingdom of Heaven at all, only Matthew. That term can't be found anywhere else in the whole Bible.


Here is a good verse of scripture on the least in the Kingdom of Heaven.


Matthew 5:19......."Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."


      

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I've always wondered why Matthew deviated.  Did he use a different word that translated differently?
Is there a distinction we've missed?  I've never casually bumped into an answer.
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But, back to pursuing the Kingdom of God, for now. 

Luke 17: 20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21 neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, 
the kingdom of God is within you.



And yes, as I looked up the verse I saw the commentaries that this is just
Jesus saying, the kingdom is nigh, the kingdom is near, as He said previously.
And it was true in that the Kingdom was with/in Him.


But there's more. 

Romans 14  a wonderful chapter.
16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of: 17 for the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. 18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.


Jesus told the disciples it is good for you that I go, as the Father and I will send the Holy Ghost to be with you.

Romans 8  another great chapter
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

John 3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

He goes on to say, born again, of the Spirit.
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This we know is to happen during our earthly lifetime, as per Pentecost. 
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You know that when we are 'born from above', we step into our Eternal Life.
We see, speak, move, have our Being, in the Spirit, not the flesh.
The wisdom (wherever it may show itself), the Power and the Glory are ALL
of God and from God via His Holy Spirit that He sent to earth to dwell
in man. 
It is no longer I who live, but HE who lives IN ME. 



The Spirit is the Power of the Resurrection.  Oil represents the Anointing  of the Spirit of God-the Holy Spirit. 

When the Bridegroom returns, only five of the 10 who waited on Him,
had enough oil for the trip.


There's alot more, but this should be enough for now?


           
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Just a thought regarding the antichrist, whose number is 666.  6 being the number of man.


7 being the number of Christ.  777-the Trinity?


Seems like there should be an obvious correlation there.  That as the Trinity represents the
Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, what would the fleshly 666 be described as? 


Satan=the father of lies.  
the son=the antichrist, the usuper of Jesus' rightful place as Lord and King.
the spirit  = ?
We could write out the antithesis of the Attributes of the Holy Spirit. Maybe there is the answer. 


           
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I heard some buzzwords from earlier here in this video...


JONATHAN CAHN REVEALS “A COMING DESTROYER!” WHO IS THIS!?

video at this link:
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There are 100 verses here,  so if you would click on it rather than me transfer them all. Wink

The Indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
https://www.openbible.info/topics/indwelling_of_the_holy_spirit
and
https://www.openbible.info/topics/jesus_sending_the_holy_spirit

So, we are a vessel made of clay, meant to be the temple, the dwelling place of God on the earth
which is the most exceptional move of God ever!

By the act of Himself providing  the Way for mankind to be sinless-as if he never sinned, God
made a place for Himself to re enter His Creation and dwell with man. 

It was SIN, DISOBEDIENCE, in the Garden that caused God to withdraw. And the Kingdom
CANNOT be attained by the flesh. As I read the Old Testament and of ancient civilizations,
I see in both all the times God could do nothing (which brought us to Noah), and ALL the time God spent TRYING to bring mankind to the point where He could introduce His Son for our Salvation.
And what a struggle it has been. 

Now, in the last two thousand years He has had His Family-His Congregation, and STILL-
EVEN THOUGH HE HIMSELF DOES THE WORK REQUIRED, THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT, so few do it.
So few will actually Let Him Rule, which is shameful because believe me there are things
He would have each of us do if we are willing and yielded to Him. 

Those who are yielded, He treasures.  Like the Prodigal son. No, it is not the Fullness of the Kingdom
yet, but Bible says God is a Rewarder !  And He certainly has made many promises of blessings to
those who diligently seek, find, and serve.   And they will rule and reign with
Him in the Kingdom.  God is so Good to those who seek Him and then actually treat Him as Who
He Is.  

Jesus is our example.  And Jesus Himself said, I OF MYSELF DO NOTHING, BUT WHAT I SEE THE FATHER DO.  Example: Jesus spit on the dirt, made clay, put it on the blind man's eyes and restored
his vision.   The Healing Power-which is the Power (dunamis) of the Spirit of God, did the healing.

The woman with the issue of blood is a perfect example of this.  Jesus didn't even know she was there!
But He felt the Dunamis go forth from Him.  The Spirit of God (we call the Holy Spirit) healed her BECAUSE OF HER FAITH.  As always, it was FAITH that called on God to move on our behalf. 
ACCORDING TO (Y)OUR FAITH IT IS DONE UNTO YOU.  That is established.

God entered into a NEW COVENANT with man, sealed by the shed blood of His Son.
Keyword:   NEW. "I will do a New Thing", God said. 

Now, the Holy Spirit  is the SEAL of our Redemption. 
Ephesians 4:30  
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

Here is a list of verses on the Spirit as the seal.
https://www.openbible.info/topics/holy_spirit_seal

I'm still going somewhere with this, if you will allow.  
We're proving out how it is that the Holy Spirit is the Kingdom of God-now in part, and
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Just a thought regarding the antichrist, whose number is 666.  6 being the number of man.


7 being the number of Christ.  777-the Trinity?


Seems like there should be an obvious correlation there.  That as the Trinity represents the
Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, what would the fleshly 666 be described as? 


Satan=the father of lies.  
the son=the antichrist, the usuper of Jesus' rightful place as Lord and King.
the spirit  = ?
We could write out the antithesis of the Attributes of the Holy Spirit. Maybe there is the answer. 

I covered some of my thoughts on this subject back in this thread......"I'll post it below again." It's a fascinating topic!!!

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Revelation 13:18........ “Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.”

Number.... Arithmos (Greek)


Definition

(1) a fixed and definite number

(2) an indefinite number, a multitude


The word for “Number” in Revelation 13:18 is “Arithmos” and it does not always simply mean a specific number. It could also mean a multitude. It therefore means that the Greek text could also be translated as "A multitude of the beast". 

A multitude of the Beast can be viewed as the followers of the Beast who have received his Mark (Seal) in their minds, their hearts, in the very soul they are, 666 sits in their temples. They belong to the Beast......"They worship, they serve, they represent and work ( Mark in right hand) for The Beast System, they are the body of believers and followers of The Beast and The System of The Beast. They are the very temple of The Synagogue of Satan.

A multitude of followers that can't be numbered carry "Within Them" the seal (mark)=666 that represents Satan, Beast=Antichrist, False Prophet.  

This can be viewed as the direct opposite to the great multitude, which is the multitude of the Lamb of God. One multitude is lost and separated from Jesus Christ (The Lamb) forever, the other multitude is saved and received unto Jesus Christ. God seals his believers and followers as does Satan........"They both know those who are theirs." 

2 Timothy2:19........"Nevertheless, the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal, "The Lord knows those who are His," and, "Everyone who names the name of the Lord is to abstain from wickedness."

John 6:27........"Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you, for on Him the Father, God, has set His seal."

Ephesians 1:13–14........"In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,.....who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory."



Revelation 14:11........"And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

When the word "name" is written in the Bible it doesn't always represent some ones official name (John, David, Mary, Mark...etc). Many times it's all about a certain title, or who or what they represent, the very character. Who do we image? Who's image do we represent? 

Will we image The LORD God and carry within us his seal (Father, Son, Holy Spirt), or will we image The Beast and carry within us his mark/seal (Satan, The Antichrist, The False Prophet)?

God has a great multitude of believers and followers that carry within them the Seal of God.....Could it be 777 the seal of perfection? The Lamb of God carries within him the seal that represents the followers of Father, Lamb=Son, Holy Spirit.  All those who follow The Lamb of God receive his seal in their minds, their hearts the very soul they are, 777 sits in their temples. They belong to the Lamb of God......"They worship, they serve, they represent the body of believers and followers of The Lamb of God=Jesus Christ. They are the Body (The Church), The Temple of God.

Revelation 14:1........"And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads."

Revelation 7:4........"And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:

Revelation 7:9........"After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands,"

Revelation 7:14........"And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.


      

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Dove wrote:
I've always wondered why Matthew deviated.  Did he use a different word that translated differently?
Is there a distinction we've missed?  I've never casually bumped into an answer.

This I believe reveals there is no difference. 

Then Jesus said to his disciples, ‘I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven"(Matthew 19:23)..... In the very next verse, Christ proclaims, Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God” (verse 24). Jesus makes no distinction between the two terms but seems to consider them synonymous.


      

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Here is my issue with your thinking on that,Scarz, the verse says to "count" the number of the beast, or to "calculate" the number. My brain hurts from trying to fully understand this seemingly simple statement. In my view, it involves more of a math problem than your theory would allow, but coming up with something concrete to refute it, I can't. A lot of scholars say that the passage says that passage should read "for it is the number of MAN" leaving out the article "a" and reading in a non-specific way. I don't buy that because the anti-christ/man of sin is spoken of many times directly and in a specific manner. the number 666 would absolutely indicate a reference to an unholy trinity. The Father/Son part of the trinity is fairly obvious, but the spirit segment offers up some discussion points. On a lark, what about this: the word spirit is associated with the wind,"pneuma" and to give a description of the wind I would say "something that you can feel but cannot see, a force that causes a reaction without the eyes being able to see. Okay consider this for only the end time events. Lets say there is a major event that calls for another round of "jabs" but this particular jab has some type of device of chemical composition that allows a transmitted signal to influence a persons behavior. You can't see the signal being sent but you can see the reaction of it.

Thats just something that I have ruminated through my mind for a few days. I have long consider the wireless surveillance to be a part of the anti-christ kingdom and an antithesis to the Holy Spirit, that is obvious. I do think this, the number, if it is a specific man, will be calculated to directly implicate NIMROD. Sound crazy? Remember Nimrod became a "mighty hunter" so check out a Strongs concordance concerning that phrase and you will see that it gives "gibbori" as one definition. If he became a Gibborrim" then when he died his spirit would wander the earth(according to the book of Enoch). All of this type speculation would have been considered fantasy a couple of decades ago. Now? Not so much!

I don't know what the number is or means but I do think that it involves some tie-in to DNA. How or what, I cannot tell you for sure, just speculate, but I do know that is/will happen just as the bible says it will. Ain't checking for typos, if it does not read right, figure it out
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Yes Michael.  That stubborn, stinky little 'a' that is definitive and unavoidable.  
I've attempted to get rid of it.  We can't. 

A specific person, not just the spirit of antichrist through the centuries. 
I've always favored the "BECAME a gibborim" translation. 
I think that further solidifies he is human. Or at the least, started out that way. 
One that becomes very powerful, as well as prideful. 
One who believes he's entitled to be worshipped in place of God. 
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As far as Bible accuracy, I agree, but cannot deny it is FULL of parables which have to be understood for the message they convey. 


We know a couple things.  Apparently the Vatican is concealing much.  Israel is sitting on the Dead Sea Scrolls.  
Then, one of the disciples said he supposed that if everything Jesus said was written down, there would not be enough libraries in the world to contain it all.


Yet God, in His All Sufficiency said, when the Holy Spirit comes He will bring to remembrance ALL that Jesus taught, 


When he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you. ([url=https://biblia.com/bible/niv/John 16.13-15]John 16:13-15[/url])


We say that men wrote down the Bible under inspiration of the Holy Spirit.  As we have
the same access to the same Spirit, He Himself will tell us-show us the true and full meaning of the words.  Amen. 


           
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Here is my issue with your thinking on that,Scarz, the verse says to "count" the number of the beast, or to "calculate" the number. My brain hurts from trying to fully understand this seemingly simple statement. In my view, it involves more of a math problem than your theory would allow, but coming up with something concrete to refute it, I can't. 
How long have people been calculating the number of a certain man to be The Antichrist? It's seems every time I read something they have Obama, Bush, Clinton, other Presidents as well as many, many world and religious leaders past and present as The Antichrist. And they find so many different ways to make their names to come out to the number 666.

We can even get Nimrod to calculate to 666.

This below is from the author Peter Goodgame.

Here is what Bible scholar Arnold Fruchtenbaum teaches about the meaning of this verse, which is accepted by the majority of Bible prophecy scholars, both historically and today........."The point is essentially this: whatever the name of the Antichrist will be in Hebrew, the numerical value of that name will be 666."

There is a footnote to an article in the Encyclopaedia Biblica by Cheyne & Southerland Black (1899-1903, McMillan Co., New York) which has an entry is for NIMROD, in which a French scholar named Bruston draws the following conclusion:

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Jesus the Messiah is referred to throughout the Scriptures as Yeshua ben David, and the name of the Antichrist is Nimrod ben Cush. The name "Cush" is usually spelled with the three letters "Khaf, Vav, Shin." The letter Vav equates to six, and so with this spelling the full name would add up to 672. However, there are several areas in the Old Testament where a form of the name "Cush" is given without the Vav. Numbers 12:1 contains two instances of this spelling, and Amos 9:7 contains another. A third passage that contains just such a spelling is in Daniel 11:43 in reference to "the Cushites," which is the passage that we have just studied that describes the career of the Antichrist. If Cush is spelled as "Khaf, Shin," then "Nimrod ben Cush" adds up to exactly 666.

I was never implying that ever time the word Number was used in Revelation 13:18 it's only speaking of a Multitude. The word can be used as either a fixed and definite number or an indefinite number, a multitude, for one or more of the times it was used in the verse. I was doing my best to show another direction that is possible to connect also. Just because most take a certain path, doesn't always mean it is the correct path.

Also we need to remember the third member of the Satanic trinity.....The False Prophet fits the role of The Holy Spirit because what is written in Revelation 13:15........"And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast would even speak and cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed."

The False Prophet is given a power of giving Breath (Life) to the image. Think back to Adam when God breathed into him and gave him life. As you mentioned Michael, the air, the wind connects to The Holy Spirit. (Great thinking on your part Michael)


I've said it before and I will say it again, I believe The False Prophet is much more than just a flesh and blood man.

Here for me is a very important part of the verse........“Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding"

Who is it that has ever or today been given the wisdom and understanding to know for sure the true identity of The Man of Sin?

I believe it all leads to never before he will be revealed. It will occur only at a specific time but not for everybody to know. The vast majority will never know his true identity, even after he is revealed. Do we think for one second millions or billions of people are going to point to him saying, he's The Man of Sin?

2 Th 2:3........Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

We must never forget there is going to come a time when God is going to send strong delusion........."And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: (2 Th 2:11)


      

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THE CULT OF BAAL.  

I'll go back for a still pic of the map, but post the video here now. FINALLY!!!!!
The things I couldn't reconcile.   I'll also look for a recent program I saw on a search
for Moses in Egyptian history.    What they discovered was the story of the Hyksos-Hebrews.
And NIMROD'S here on the map.  Wink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAOXjzeVKdQ  POSTED AT 3:33pm et. according to my computer.   heheh.





           
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EDIT!!  WEBSITE:  https://deepstatemappingproject.weebly.com/
tho it still looks like the search link can help. 
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I couldn't figure out how Egypt fit in with Babylon.  Now we know. 

Any search would do, but I did this one which will allow you to find readable segments of the map, which really is needed.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=the+cult+of+Baal&atb=v314-1&iax=images&ia=images&iai=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dylanlouismonroe.com%2Fuploads%2F3%2F1%2F1%2F0%2F31103457%2Fcult-of-baal-map-8-2-meme-op-3-paper_1_orig.jpg


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Jesus Christ spoke in parables to both disguise and reveal the truth. God will reveal when he chooses, to who he chooses. "God's Cryptic Strategy".... God does not want "Everyone" to understand it. Would God want his enemies to know every detail?


God can and will use who he chooses to steer things in a desired direction. This can be seen time after time in scripture. We can also see how The LORD God doesn't always use believers to accomplish his will. 


The truth of scripture cuts to the bone that "Many people" will love the darkness more than The Light. In these end times we live in, the darkness is like a thick black fog descending on humanity.


What I was attempting to get across was "They" who are his multitude (followers) wear within them his mark/seal and "Name" (who as well as what they represent, the very character, Who they image, Who's image they represent).

The “Number” (Arithmos) of the beast does not necessitate the use of mathematics or gematria (Kabbalistic method of interpreting the Hebrew scriptures by computing the numerical value of words).....There can also be other paths to take.

The Greek word “Arithmos” is used a total of 18 times in the NT and I believe can be viewed many times as a multitude/group. 

They who wear within them the mark/seal submit to the authority of The System, Empire, Kingdom of The Beast.

Is there a fix in DNA that "Causes" they the multitude to accept a change?.....If this is in any way part of it we know from scripture that The False Prophet is the one through a strong influence "Causes" they the multitude to receive it.


      

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I've been watching the video on the timeline of civilizations. There is no Christian bias whatsoever, which is fine. We don't need that. But it's amusing to see when  'things happen' historically that history can't account for. 
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I ran into this post this morning re Baphomet. According to this, it is NOT an
ancient symbol or depiction of any sect, or worshipped idol. The designer, however, was an occultist. So from the 1800's it found a niche. 

My opinion:  The world, in total ignorance, follows mad men. 
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The post:
https://t.me/inmagnaexcitatio/97774  picture of book at link:

There is a book which looks to be of metal plates, and appearing very old, which contains a drawing of Baphomet, leading one to perhaps assume the image is indeed ancient.

However:

https://templarhistory.com/eliphas-levi-the-man-behind-baphomet/


"Because I am a stickler I feel the need to address this clip that has been circulating since at least 2018 if just to illustrate this one factoid. Clearly the book appears to be really old. How old? I cannot say for certain but clearly more than 200 years imo. The problem is the particular image of Baphomet wasn't produced until the mid 1800's at a minimum. Here's a little bit on the artist


Alphonse Louis Constant was born the son of a shoemaker in 1810.


While alive he followed the esoteric path and adopted the Jewish pseudonym of Eliphas Levi, which he claimed was a Hebrew version of his own name. Although known for many books on ritual Magic, Levi is perhaps best known for his work regarding the alleged deity of the Knights Templar, the Baphomet

He gave up the collar of Catholicism to become an Occultist in the nineteenth century. Some claim he was thrown out of the Church for his heretical views or as the story goes.
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Here is what Eliphas Levi had to say about the Baphomet image he drew. My thanks go to Christian Joachim Hartmann for providing me with this translation from Levi’s book:

“The goat on the frontispiece carries the sign of the pentagram on the forehead, with one point at the top, a symbol of light, his two hands forming the sign of hermetism, the one pointing up to the white moon of Chesed, the other pointing down to the black one of Geburah. This sign expresses the perfect harmony of mercy with justice. His one arm is female, the other male like the ones of the androgyn of Khunrath, the attributes of which we had to unite with those of our goat because he is one and the same symbol. The flame of intelligence shining between his horns is the magic light of the universal balance, the image of the soul elevated above matter, as the flame, whilst being tied to matter, shines above it. The ugly beast’s head expresses the horror of the sinner, whose materially acting, solely responsible part has to bear the punishment exclusively; because the soul is insensitive according to its nature and can only suffer when it materializes. The rod standing instead of genitals symbolizes eternal life, the body covered with scales the water, the semi- circle above it the atmosphere, the feathers following above the volatile. Humanity is represented by the two breasts and the androgyn arms of this sphinx of the occult sciences.”


So is the 'ancient' book a fake?  Looks that way. 
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Urban Dictionary: fugazi (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fugazi)



fugazi 1. Adj. Fake,unauthentic, sub standard person or thing. E.g. 1. yo those gold chains ain't real son, they're fugazi 



2. N. Something or/and somebody that is fake,inferior or sub standard


           
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Now, I need a little understanding concerning the Russia/Ukraine fiasco. There is so much over there that makes no sense at all. Its a fact that Putin hates the globalist and their NWO, so I am assuming that this is an attempt by the west to knock his foundation out from under him and cause Russia to become a part of the NWO.

Who blew up the pipeline? I got a good guess since our imbecile-in-chief said that it would be stopped. Europe will freeze this winter, so why inflict this suffering on people? That was just pure evil. Did Russia invade unprovoked? No way! They were threatened with the Ukraine joining NATO for months and would have NATO right on their doorsteps. Would you feel safe if Russia put ICBM's on the border with Mexico? Of course not. Its the same thing.

My suspicion  is that there is going to be a fake Ezekiel 39-39 episode. Most of the scholarly world are promoting Russia as the main culprit in those two chapters but I do think that it will be more than Russia. 1st Chronicles gives a genealogy of the sons of Noah and the names of Mesech,Tubal and Magog appear as they do in Ezekiel 38.

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Interestingly, first century Jewish historian Josephus (Antiquities of the Jews, Book 1, Chapter 6) says that Japheth (Japhet) was Noah's first male child, followed by Ham and then Shem.
The seven sons of Japheth, which he had after the flood, are Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech and Tiras (Genesis 10:2, 1Chronicles 1:5). Gomer's three sons were Ashkenaz, Riphath and Togarmah (Genesis 10:3, 1Chronicles 1:6). Javan's four sons were Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim and Dodanim (Genesis 10:4, 1Chronicles 1:7).
Japheth and his descendants, after the flood, are believed to have migrated to areas around the Black and Caspian Seas, Asia Minor, and the Greek islands (Aegean Sea Region). They are also thought to have settled in the islands of Cyprus, Crete and Rhodes.

According to the first century historian Josephus (Antiquities of the Jews, Book 1, Chapter 6), the descendants of Japheth also populated the areas around the Taurus and Amanus mountains, living in Asia as far as the river Tansis and also inhabiting Europe to Cadiz."

It is implied that Japeth was the originator of the Caucasian race and does appear to be a real possibility since the regions mention are all white. I wonder if Putin is going to succeed in regrouping the USSR? Turkey seems to be gravitating toward Russia and it seems that a bunch of NATO people don't trust them. Hell, I don't trust them or Nato!

I have pretty much viewed Ezekiel 39-39 as the Armageddon event because if you use Ezekiel as a timeline, the Temple is built for the thousand year reign of Christ right after Ezekiel 39,it would appear. There is a lot clutter in my brain due to reading so much bad scholarly work throughout the years and some of the influence is hard to shake out. I do wonder if a false flag "fake Ezekiel 38" is being set up?

I'm kinda' out of my league with these happenings because I did not foresee this in scripture. I am sure that its there but I failed to glean this. It is just so evil but I should have known something like this would happen since I have resigned myself to the realization that America is the leader of the last days literal Babylon. America is the most evil nation on earth. If a person with just a little knowledge of the last days will look, we are teetering on the edge of the abyss and I just wonder about the so-called "leaders" of this country. Are they fully human? Ain't a secret that I believe that "they" walk among us and rule the world system, but I still feel so weird looking at it like that due to nobody ever teaching it(a few do,but very few). Its just hard for me to grasp what is happening right now...Daylight!

Help me out here with this Russia/Ukraine crap. Lol, I get it but I don't fully understand the motives

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I can help, probably. Wink

As part of the Plan to defeat the Cabal: (the NWO, the Great Reset, the NATO Initiatives, of which the WEF, the WHO, NATO, the UN, the cia/mossad/5eyes, the DS are all part of the same network, and all jump to the orders of the Vatican/British Crown old Family (European) Royalty money); we come to Ukraine.

Ukraine is a tip top operational hub for money laundering, a cess pool for adrenochrome, child trafficking, porn producing (of which the pentagon was the biggest customer) and for maintaining
the nazi regime; a hub for Soros, and for rogue military training.

Their overall goal has been to advance against Russia with nato forces surrounding Russia.   
Ukraine is currently trying to fast track nato membership for themselves for more leverage. 

Very important at this juncture is Ukraine had bio weapons labs (Hunter Biden invested) and intel
revealed they were planning on releasing some agent against Russia, as Russia has been blocking
the Great Reset on every front.  Soros is not allowed in the country.  Our top democratic crooks
are not allowed.   He effectively killed the Reset by setting the price of oil to rubles.

The cabal doesn't care if this leads to nuclear war.  They really don't.  They care that their plan is
falling apart.  They've been pushed to fight back much quicker than they intended.  
It's going to get gnarly !!!  I can fill in some of that later.

The old KGB Putin was eliminated a few years ago.  This is a 'new' Putin.  He, Trump and Xi are
the top 3 breaking the NWO. Xi is NOT the CCP - Chinese Communist Party.  I believe India and
Brazil are also major players. 

The Q Plan is breaking the banks. The Vatican Bank, the Bank of London, Credit Suisse. 
This is what it takes to get to BlackRock/Vanguard and the corporate world monopolies. 
When the money dries up, the military dries up. 
When the (literal) underground is flushed out, and the shipping lanes are stopped, the world slave
trade dries up. That looks to be their biggest money maker AND also how they blackmail people.

It really is too big an operation to even imagine, much less comprehend. It literally is to liberate
humanity from satan's hold over the world.  That's why every good person is needed to take a
stand and stand up.  When they are truly free, then they can truly choose whom they will serve.
May the true church shine brilliantly in this hour!

Sloppy review...but I hope it's enough to see the overview of where we're at and why.

Zelenskyy is an actor, by the way.  And he never was a good one.  He's a literal burlesque show.


           
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Oh...and no, Russia did not bomb the pipeline they just spent billions on as a way to sell their
oil to a much greater market.

Intel says there were US military helicopters and underwater drones over the pipeline when it
happened. 

The cabal WANTS the US to go to war with Russia.  Heck..I doubt they care who goes to war with
Russia as long as somebody does!  Putin did the hard work and won.   Some day we'll say the
same thing about Trump.  And Xi.    The DS aren't the only ones who can 'infiltrate'!

You know how many in Congress, in Hollywood, in the government agencies have Israeli citizenship?
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How much today can we really believe with all the information that is being pushed out daily?......."I'm talking about all of it."

The internet serpent can move millions if not billions of people in the blink of an eye. The Web of disinformation is a tactic to draw the most flies with lies. 


      

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Fair question, ScaRZ, starting out with that Truth that the fallen world is thoroughly in opposition to
all things Holy. (upside down, outside in, and twisted)


And we see that all through the Bible. 
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Then there is man's history.  What we are told today has historical footprints that can be traced.
Here's one posted just today that gives a great overview and further explanation:

https://watchermeet-up.forumotion.com/t27845p300-i-want-to-make-sure-we-have-all-of-these-q-info#120570
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The main stream media has been usurped, bought and paid for.  They are told what to say by the
people who want you subservient to all their plans to rule the world. 
There's very little truth there, and none of any real consequence.

From fawning over Avanti and what a great president he would be; He's now in jail for the truth
of who he is.  To antifa and blm appearing to be organic when they are a "paid by Soros" model of
the color revolution...on and on.    Again, it's the historical footprint that reveals the truth.
BUT, we wouldn't know that except in little pieces if not for Q.
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And I don't want to eat bugs. Wink
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To not become as murderous as our enemy, everything must be
handled in a JUST way, ie. through the courts. 
With evidence that will stand up in a court of law.  


To win back the world and still preserve as many innocent lives as
possible takes time. Wink


           
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The deal is always:  Follow the money.  Ask who profits?


Here's one I missed.



https://watchermeet-up.forumotion.com/t28504-russian-doomsday-sub-deployed-hal-turner#120575



Excerpt:
HERE'S THE MONEY SHOT.   From yesterday

With the gaslines cut, Russia loses a ton of money and the DS gets to sell their uranium. 

Behind the scenes;

BLACKROCK [ DS] ( Rockefellers , ROTHSCHILDs DAVID'S ECT)  controlling BIDEN. UN. NATO had used U.S. military special operations forces to Sabotage the Nord Stream 1&2 with 4 explosions ( Sweden now has records of four explosions)
 
Behind the scenes.. the BLACKROCK [DS] are planning to supply EU with new uranium to restart NUCLEAR powerplants 
With the help of Burisma oil ( BIDENs) , BLACKROCK VANGUARD.


With several companies/AGENCIES INVOLVED in supplying Uranium to EU
Including U.S. DOE (Department of Energy ) the connections is reaching far and wide into the Clinton Foundation and the world Deep State play to pay operations/ SOROS , BLM. Oregon Energy LLC red ECT ECT ECT... Are all in on the next phase of controlling EUROPEAN ENERGY LIFE AND MONETARY SYSTEM THROUGH THE ENERGY GRID.
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Here Michael is info that might make the connection you know has to be there:

Now that I read it, maybe not...did that big graph help?  

The ancient Kazarian territory included Ukraine, didn't it? 

From:
https://watchermeet-up.forumotion.com/t28131p350-the-new-big-go-time#120577
The list of endless of Biden crime family. Obama crime org. Clinton corruption ring.. That all lead to DAVOS GROUP. VATICAN/ KAZARIAN/ ECT ECT ECT ECT CABAL CONTROL..


           
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This thread is where I've tried to put history:
https://watchermeet-up.forumotion.com/t27845-i-want-to-make-sure-we-have-all-of-these-q-info



Another thing we maybe forgot is the simple understanding of 666 as a carbon based entity.  And if that is the meaning, then we aren't looking at nephilim or AI/transhuman. 
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I don't mean to intrude with posts, but this tells alot.  And though I think I've seen it, I don't remember where-but I believe one post traces Klaus and Soros back to Rothschilds. Or it was in the video
which explains the graph. 
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Illuminati wanted to use enlightenment principles to create an utopian new world order system. 
Weishaupt‘s group was banished by the Bavarian government in 1782). The Knights of Malta predate the Order of St. John. The Archbishop of Canterbury is even a Papal Knight of Francis I. 
Jacob Rothschild is the Knight of the Queen's Order of the British Empire and the Order of merit. 


The Queen defers to the Pope, so the Rothschilds are directly related to European Knighthoods (these Knighthoods are allies of the Papal Knights of Malta. Even Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush received the Knight of Malta award of the Order of Merit). 

Author F. Tupper Saussy in his book, “Rulers of Evil” found that the Rothschilds bore the title of “Guardians of the Vatican Treasury.“ 
Pat Buchannan is a famous Knight of Malta that worked with someone that was a part of the CIA's Operation Mockingbird Program (this program was about the CIA controlling the US media). 
The Duke of Kent's brother, the Duke of Gloucester, is the Grand Prior of the Knights of St John (or Most Venerable Order of St John). 
He is also the First Grand Principal of the Supreme Grand Lodge of Royal Arch Masons of England. 


The Pope defers to the Jesuit Superior General. Even King Abdullah of Jordan was Jesuit trained from Georgetown University.
This I.H.S. symbol is found in the Jesuit World Headquarters as found in Rome, Italy.
This picture above is from the World Jesuit headquarters. On the top left and right parts of this image shows nests. According to the Eye of the Phoenix documentary, this nests shows a growing Phoenix. The Phoenix according to Manly P. Hall represents resurrection and a Christ-like figure. (no picture provided)
According to Chris Pinto, the Phoenix represents the false Christ of the new Aquarian Age.

These Papal Knighthoods as proven by Troy rule over many Jewish and Arabic leaders in the Middle East as well. For example, the Arabic man of Nadhmi Auchi is not only a Papal member of the Royal Order of Francis I. 
He is also an Iraqi-British billionaire businessman man who is worth at least UK £2.15 billion. Mainstream newspapers claim that Auchi had links with Saddam Hussein’s old government. 
French President Nicolas Sarkozy has meet up with the Syrian President Al-Basshad. Al-Basshad is another Knight of the Order of Francis I. 

Troy says that he is associated with the Constantinian Order. Ex-President of Lebanon Emile Lahood invested into the Vatican-loyal Constantinian Order (of the Franco-Neapolitan Branch). 2 members of the House of Saud (with the names of Governor of Mecca Prince Khalid al Faisal & Prince Bandar bin Khalid) are members of the Papal Order of Francis I. 
The PLO opened their Vatican Office in 1994. 

There is the Jesuit-trained Shimon Peres with support of the Vatican as well. 
In 1993, Shimon Peres deeded the Temple Mount to the Vatican (after the Olso Accord).
Shimon Peres has been knighted into the British Queen's Orders of Saints Michael & George.
Barry Chamish another writer assign Peres with the label of Sabbeteans, because they act in the interest of the Vatican more so than in the interest of regular Jewish people. 
In fact, it would be the same apostate Labor Zionists (who are mostly Ashkenazi Jewish people) that aided Hitler’s Nazi Empire during WWII, they harmed Sephardic Jewish children with dangerous radiation, and they still hold mighty influence in Israel today. 

Numerous leaders in Israel are notorious Freemasons (ironically, Freemasonry respects the Kabbalah. The Kabbalah is a Mystery school teaching that the Torah have hidden codes. Some of the dogma of the Kabbalah originated from ancient Babylon. That is why that there are similarities between Romanism and the ancient Babylonian religion), not only allies of Papal Knighthood. 


           
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Here's what I was remembering about Soros and Schwab: both their fathers were Nazis

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Turkey seems to be gravitating toward Russia and it seems that a bunch of NATO people don't trust them. Hell, I don't trust them or Nato!

I have pretty much viewed Ezekiel 39-39 as the Armageddon event because if you use Ezekiel as a timeline, the Temple is built for the thousand year reign of Christ right after Ezekiel 39,it would appear. There is a lot clutter in my brain due to reading so much bad scholarly work throughout the years and some of the influence is hard to shake out. I do wonder if a false flag "fake Ezekiel 38" is being set up?

We know from a study of Daniel 11:35-45 that the Antichrist will come from the Syrian (Selucid) division of the former Grecian Empire and that other passages refer to him as "the Assyrian", "the King of the North", the "Prince that shall come", "the Beast", "the Son of Perdition", "that evil one", "a wicked counsellor", etc. 


I think with a little careful study we will find historically that Meshech and Tubal were located in the area of modern Turkey, not Russia, and Turkey was definitely a part of the Syrian or Selucid portion of the four divisions of the former Greek Empire. 

I think it is very possible that Gog is another title referring to The Man of Sin (The Antichrist). Gog doesn't need to be a Russian in order to lead a coalition of "many nations" including Russia into battle. When this war takes place who really knows what names these lands will carry with them. The area has always been the key and will continue to be the key.

I believe the Assyrian, and The Antichrist are all one and the same person. Ezekiel 38:17 proves this fact beyond doubt for me..."Thus saith the Lord GOD; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?"


      

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Oh, I agree with you 100% Scarz, I guess that I didn't phrase it with type like it was laid out in my head. I'll try again in the morning because I just got up. This old body needs more sleep than it used to,even if it comes 1 hour at a time. Luckily, Aaron Judge hit #62 at his first at bat so I could go to bed early. I was able to see Maris hit #61, 61 years ago and I remember it vividly. I was 7 years old. I put everything else on hold in order to watch Judge hit (hopefully) #62.  I was concerned because in the last week, he didn't seem to be relaxed at the plate like he always is. I got to see him break the record,61 years later, and I was emotionally invested in this event, just like I was when I was 7. It was just a different era back then and a much better one,too

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Here is something else that doesn't fit in the Ezekiel war not being the final war. How could this be true with what is written in Ezekiel 39:7-8........"So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, THE HOLY ONE "IN" ISRAEL........Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken."

The Lord Jesus Christ is there......His coming back to earth now is a fact.......This is the day of his arrival. This can't be an earlier war or Jesus Christ would not have arrived until the Battle of Armageddon. The final war of Armageddon when completed leads us into The Millennium. 

The phrase "the Holy One IN Israel" occurs only once in Scripture, right here in Ezekiel 39:7. This proves to me that Jesus Christ is physically present "IN" Israel after Ezekiel's war.

Now Michael as you mentioned in your post a fake war could take place which is not the Ezekiel war. People can take scripture and twist and mold it into just about anything they wish it to be. The World would be just stupid enough to believe a lie.


      

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The USA is in the war against Russia. Supply the weapons and use others blood. Win the war by turning people against the ruling force. The internet can sway minds quickly.

The media in war is used to show the bad guys losing, and the good guys winning. It all depends which side of the fence you reside.

I think back just a few years, going so far as to kill 3,000+ people on 911 to start war in the "Me" to profit off of, and build a World Order.

Babylon the Great will perish as did Pharaoh and his armies in the Red Sea. The Pharaoh in the end of days is The Antichrist. Babylon in the end times is like Egypt, which The LORD God's people are coming out of and headed toward the promised land. 

I believe Babylon is a spiritual symbol that is much bigger than just a single city or single country. I view The LORD God as directing an end times Exodus.


      

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These are some great verses of scripture. There is a time and a season for revealing. 


It is the glory of God to conceal things,
but the glory of kings is to search things out.(Proverbs 25:2)

To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of God,
but for others they are in parables,
so that 'seeing they may not see,
and hearing they may not understand'.(Luke 8:10)

For nothing is hidden that will not be made manifest,
nor is anything secret that will not be known and come to light.(Luke 8:17)

Therefore every scribe who has been trained for the kingdom of heaven
is like a master of a house,
who brings out of his treasure what is new and what is old.(Matthew 13:52)


      

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I believe we who are bought by the blood of Christ will be in glorified bodies when Ez.38/39 takes place.

39 happens after the Great trib. and is likely Armageddon
38 after the millennium....  in reverse order?
Book ends to the millennium.

Contradictions between 38 and 39 about the status of Israel ???

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I have looked into the reverse order of Ez 38/39 a few times. Every time I read Revelation 20 verse 8........I say to myself, is this about a remembrance back in time to the impact of the nations that were deceived, now deceived during "The Little Season of Satan" once again by The Adversary (Satan), or is it something more. 

Revelation 20:8........"And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea."





The prophecies of Ez 38/39 are well known and much disputed. 

https://www.logos.com/grow/gog-magog-whats-evil-north/

Here are some of Michael Heiser's thoughts on the subject.

"All eschatological systems are speculative in many respects. The point is that the supernatural worldview of ancient Israel and Judaism must inform our own thinking. The cosmic enemy from the supernatural north, where the council of evil plotted against Yahweh’s council, was a fixed part of the worldview of the biblical writers—especially when it comes to the end times."

"For sure ancient Jews would expect that the reconstituted kingdom of Yahweh would be shattered by an enemy from the north—as it had before. But ancient Jews would also have thought in supernatural terms. A supernatural enemy in the end times would be expected to come from the seat of Baal’s authority—the supernatural underworld realm of the dead, located in the heights of the north. Gog is explicitly described in such terms."

"Gog would have been perceived as either a figure empowered by supernatural evil or an evil quasi-divine figure from the supernatural world bent on the destruction of God’s people. For this reason, Gog is regarded by many biblical scholars as a template for the New Testament antichrist figure."

"The battle of Gog and Magog would be something expected after the initiation of Yahweh’s plan to reclaim the nations and, therefore, draw his children, Jew or gentile, from those nations. The Gog invasion would be the response of supernatural evil against the messiah and his kingdom. This is in fact precisely how it is portrayed in Revelation 20:7–10."


      

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Beauty of Math!

1 x 8 + 1 = 9
12 x 8 + 2 = 98
123 x 8 + 3 = 987
1234 x 8 + 4 = 9876
12345 x 8 + 5 = 98765
123456 x 8 + 6 = 987654
1234567 x 8 + 7 = 9876543
12345678 x 8 + 8 = 98765432
123456789 x 8 + 9 = 987654321

1 x 9 + 2 = 11
12 x 9 + 3 = 111
123 x 9 + 4 = 1111
1234 x 9 + 5 = 11111
12345 x 9 + 6 = 111111
123456 x 9 + 7 = 1111111
1234567 x 9 + 8 = 11111111
12345678 x 9 + 9 = 111111111
123456789 x 9 +10= 1111111111

9 x 9 + 7 = 88
98 x 9 + 6 = 888
987 x 9 + 5 = 8888
9876 x 9 + 4 = 88888
98765 x 9 + 3 = 888888
987654 x 9 + 2 = 8888888
9876543 x 9 + 1 = 88888888
98765432 x 9 + 0 = 888888888

Brilliant, isn't it?

And look at this symmetry:

1 x 1 = 1
11 x 11 = 121
111 x 111 = 12321
1111 x 1111 = 1234321
11111 x 11111 = 123454321
111111 x 111111 = 12345654321
1111111 x 1111111 = 1234567654321
11111111 x 11111111 = 123456787654321
111111111 x 111111111=12345678987654321


Now, take a look at this...

101%

From a strictly mathematical viewpoint:

What Equals 100%? What does it mean to give MORE than 100%?

Ever wonder about those people who say they are giving more than 100%?

We have all been in situations where someone wants you to GIVE OVER
100%.

How about ACHIEVING 101%?

What equals 100% in life?

Here's a little mathematical formula that might help answer these
questions:

If:

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z

Is represented as:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26.

If:

H-A-R-D-W-O-R- K

8+1+18+4+23+15+18+11 = 98%

And:

K-N-O-W-L-E-D-G-E

11+14+15+23+12+5+4+7+5 = 96%

But:

A-T-T-I-T-U-D-E

1+20+20+9+20+21+4+5 = 100%

THEN, look how far the love of God will take you:

L-O-V-E-O-F-G-O-D

12+15+22+5+15+6+7+15+4 = 101%

Therefore, one can conclude with mathematical certainty that:

While Hard Work and Knowledge will get you close, and Attitude will
get you there, It's the Love of God that will put you over the top!


      

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A story has been told about a teacher who told his class he would be going away for several weeks, and he offered to give a prize to the student whose desk he found in the best order when he came back. However, he didn't tell them what day he would be returning. Because the prize was big, each child was determined to get it, including a little girl whose desk was normally quite messy.

Her classmates jeered, Mary, you'll never win. Your desk is never neat. Oh, I plan to clean it the first of every week from now on. But, someone said, suppose he comes at the end of the week? Then I'll clean it every morning. But, another classmate persisted, He may come at the end of the day. For a brief moment the child was silent in thought. Then she said decidedly, I know what I'll do. I'll just keep it clean!

Jesus Christ didn't tell us to get ready, but rather to be ready.


      

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There is not one of us perfect. All of us need to forgive and be forgiven. Just think how many times that little thing in your mouth called a tongue has hurt someone.

It takes a real man/woman of light to stand up in strength and admit a wrong. Weakness is that of a coward who hides in the darkness of an unforgiving heart.

You can't undo anything you've already done, but you can face up to it. You can tell the truth. You can seek forgiveness. And then let God do the rest.

Many seem to think we humans are much better people today than they were hundreds/thousands of years ago. It's the same old world condition no matter how you attempt to dress it up.

God's wheels do grind slowly with much patience and love. Many of us get this all wrong. It's not about what we are going to get out of God. It's about what God is going to get out of us.


      

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