Will we love the darkness more than the Light?

michael371 wrote:

Jem will jump all over this because it backs up every thing that she has said...its a long read, but full of facts and just enough speculation to keep you reading
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1036439681783586816.html

That was a very interesting article michael. Thanks for posting.

Yes indeed, it seems that we have forgotten who we are, although that's not surprising considering the distractions, trickery, and deceptions we've been subjected to. It's not about registering to vote and renewing our driver's licenses folks. We are in the midst of the greatest deception ever, in the entire history of the world.

Scarz, when you say "humans" do you mean men or something else? In mythology/old history Hu had 2 rows of teeth and may have been the first "Hu"man.

i find this interesting because apparently "legally" in woo woo land, nephilim are equated with our afterbirth. When we don't show up to claim our names, assumptions are made and our names are given to the other guy. When we receive notice that they have DIED and left an estate in land, we mistake their name for our own and the confusion begins. HUMANS may be the walking dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUYKSWQmkrg



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So anyway, if anyone knows where we were supposed to go to claim our names, please let the rest of us know. Even a guess would be fine.

Jem, I just went through the thread linked below just this very morning and found a lot in it that you might benefit from. I was thinkin' bout you as I was reading.
 
Did you know that we are all legally defined as monsters? Yeah, MONSTERS! See the graphics from the threadreader link I embedded for you below and see it they interest you enough to go read the entire thread. And there’s plenty more to see and learn at that link too. Just remember, until Yeshua returns it's only going to get worse. I'm only putting all this up for reference and learning. There is NO WAY we are going to reverse all this mess ourselves, only Yeshua can do that and HE WILL DO IT! (soon I hope) That's where my faith kicks in.
 
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From Black's Law dictionary definition of a Human Being...

You are not the "human being."

You are "Mankind," or a "Natural Person."

...At least as defined in [their] book of spells.

Remember, this is NOT ENGLISH!

It's a look-a-like imposter called Legalese.
 
Oh, and about that placenta thingy . . . . 5 min with robo-voice. Too weird!
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oQXceb7MeA

Thanks Researcher! The list you posted may be useful. Truthfully though, this stuff makes me weary.

jem2 wrote:

Scarz, when you say "humans" do you mean men or something else? 

Yes Jem......Just plain ole humans like you and I. When I say true humans I'm referring to no corruption in the genetics of man........"No hybrids."

Psalm 82:6-7 King James Version (KJV)
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

THEY SHALL MINGLE THEMSELVES WITH THE SEED OF MEN (Dan. 2:43)

Some believe the corruption of antediluvian dna by Watchers as discussed in the last entry was an effort to cut off the birth line of the Messiah. This theory posits that Satan understood the protoevangelium—the promise in Genesis 3:15 that a Savior would be born, the seed of the woman, and that He would destroy the fallen angel’s power. Satan’s followers therefore intermingled with the human race in a conspiracy to stop the birth of Christ. If human dna could be universally corrupted or “demonized,” they reasoned, no Savior would be born and mankind would be lost forever. Those who support this theory believe this is why God ordered His people to maintain a pure bloodline and not to intermarry with the other nations. When men breached this command and the mutated dna began rapidly spreading among humans and animals, God instructed Noah to build an ark and prepare for a flood that would destroy every living thing.

That God had to send such a universal fiat illustrates how widespread the altered dna eventually became. In fact, the Bible says in Genesis 6:9 that only Noah—and by extension, his children—were found “perfect” in their generation. The Hebrew word for “perfect” in this case is tamiym, which means “without blemish” or “healthy,” the same word used in Leviticus to describe an unblemished sacrificial lamb. The meaning was not that Noah was morally perfect, but that his physical makeup—his dna—had not been contaminated with Nephilim descent, as apparently the rest of the world had become. In order to preserve mankind as He had made them, God destroyed all but Noah’s family in the Flood. The ancient records including those of the Bible appear to agree with this theology, consistently describing the cause of the Flood as happening in response to “all flesh” having become “corrupted, both man and beast.”

While we believe the theory of dna corruption as an intended method for halting the coming of Christ has merit, an alternative or additional reason the Watchers may have blended living organisms exists in a theory we postulated in our book, Apollyon Rising 2012: The Lost Symbol Found and the Final Mystery of the Great Seal Revealed. In that book, we speculated that the manipulation of dna may have had a deeper purpose—namely, to create a hybrid form that neither the spirit of man nor God would inhabit because it was neither man nor beast, and thus provided an unusual body made up of human, animal, and plant genetics known as Nephilim, an earth-born facsimile or “fit extension” into which the Watchers could extend themselves.

Given advances in Grin technology, transhumanist aspirations, and the admitted new arms race of human enhancement discussed in previous entries, imagine the staggering spiritual warfare implications of such science if dead Nephilim tissue were discovered with intact dna and a government somewhere was willing to clone or mingle the extracted organisms for use in (re)creating the ultimate super soldier—Homo-Nephilim. If one accepts the biblical story of Nephilim as real, such discovery could actually be made someday—or perhaps already has been and was covered up. As an example of this possibility, in 2009, blood was extracted from the bone of a dinosaur that scientists insist is eighty million years old. Nephilim would have existed in relatively recent times comparably, making clonable material from dead biblical giants feasible. The technology to resurrect extinct species already exists. The Pyrenean ibex, an extinct form of wild mountain goat, was brought back to life in 2009 through cloning of dna taken from skin samples. This was followed in June of 2010 by researchers at Jeju National University in Korea cloning a bull that had been dead for two years. Cloning methods are also being studied for use in bringing back Tasmanian tigers, woolly mammoths, and other extinct creatures, and in the March/April 2010 edition of the respected Archaeology magazine, a feature article by Zah Zorich (“Should We Clone Neanderthals?”) called for the resurrection via cloning of what some consider to be man’s closest extinct relative, the Neanderthals. National Geographic confirmed this possibility in its May 2009 special report, “Recipe for a Resurrection,” quoting Hendrik Poinar of McMaster University, an authority on ancient dna who served as a scientific consultant for the movie Jurassic Park, saying: “I laughed when Steven Spielberg said that cloning extinct animals was inevitable. But I’m not laughing anymore.… This is going to happen. It’s just a matter of working out the details.”[1]

The ramifications of using science to revive extinct animals or Nephilim could extend beyond cloning to include a mysterious germ-line connection with the armies of Armageddon and the kingdom of Antichrist. This is because as interbreeding begins between transgenic animals, genetically modified humans, and species as God made them, the altered dna will quickly migrate into the natural environment. When that happens (as is already occurring among genetically modified plants and animals), “alien” and/or animal characteristics will be introduced to the human gene pool and spread through intermarriage, altering the human genetic code and eventually eliminating humanity as we know it. According to many theologians, this is what happened before the Great Flood, allowing for Nephilim incarnation and perhaps has been the whole idea for the end times as well—to create a generation of genetically altered “fit extensions” for the resurrection of underworld Nephilim hordes in preparation of Armageddon.

If, as we believe, the Antichrist is the reincarnation of the ancient demon deity Apollo (the Old Testament Nimrod) as prophesied by the apostles Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 and John in Revelation 17:8, not only will he be the exact opposite of Jesus (Son of God), but he will be the forerunner of the return of the Nephilim. The prophet Isaiah (chapters 13 and 14) spoke of the return of these beings, and tied the advent to the destruction of the city of Babylon in the final age (which should give us pause in light of the ongoing presence of U.S. armed forces in Iraq/Babylon and the powder keg surrounding it). From the Septuagint, we read:

The vision which Esaias son of Amos saw against Babylon. Lift up a standard on the mountain of the plain, exalt the voice to them, beckon with the hand, open the gates, ye ruler. I give command and I bring them: giants are coming to fulfill my wrath.… For behold! The day of the Lord is coming which cannot be escaped, a day of wrath and anger, to make the world desolate.… And Babylon…shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.… It shall never be inhabited…and monsters shall rest there, and devils shall dance there and satyrs shall dwell there. (Isaiah 13:1–3, 9, 19–22, emphasis added)


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One can only speculate if something more than is casually perceived is meant by Isaiah when he says, “open the gates, ye ruler,” but whoever this ruler is, he opens “gates” in Iraq/Babylon through which end-times giants (gibborim) return to the surface of earth as agents of God’s wrath. Noting that Isaiah ties the destruction of Iraq/Babylon with the reappearance of gibborim in this way, we recall how thousands of U.S. troops, on invading Iraq during the Bush administration, admittedly filled U.S. containers with archaeological materials, including what some have speculated to be cuneiform tablets pointing to the location of pure-blooded Nephilim buried in underground caves. This is exactly where Enoch said the dead antediluvian Nephilim are, and raises fascinating questions: Would agencies like Darpa have interest in studying or cloning the extinct beings if they were, or have been, found? Could man in his arrogance revive ancient dna, revitalizing or blending it with other living organisms in a way similar to what the Watchers did in making the first Nephilim? Is the factual reappearance on earth of such legendary beings verified by Isaiah, who also foresaw transhuman creatures such as satyrs (transgenic half-men, half-goats) accompanying the return of giants in the end times, or why other apocryphal books like 2 Esdras 5:8 prophesy the birth of “monsters” for the same period of time?

Some may be shocked to learn that in addition to the citations above, the Bible actually describes an ultimate end-times spiritual warfare between the “mythological gods” and Christ. “The Lord will be terrible unto them: for he will famish all the gods of the earth” says Zephaniah 2:11. “The Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, saith; ‘Behold, I will punish the…gods’” (Jeremiah 46:25). Human followers of the pagan deities will join the conflict, calling upon their idols (Revelation 9:20) to convene their powers against the Christian God, uniting with “the spirits of devils working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth…to gather them to the battle of that great day…[to] a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon [Megiddo]” (Revelation 16:13–14, 16). The ancient Book of Jubilees—another apocryphal text—considers the same time frame and verifies contemporaneous Nephilim resurrection. The familiar word “corruption” turns up again in association with these beings, insinuating an end-times repeat of what the Watchers did by corrupting human dna and blending it with animals to retrofit human bodies for Nephilim incarnation. Note that this happens just before Satan is judged:

The malignant evil ones [spirits of Nephilim destroyed in the Flood] were bound in the place of condemnation, but a tenth part of them were left that they might be subject before Satan on the earth. These are for corruption [corruption of dna as in days of old?] and leading astray men before Satan’s judgment. (Jubilees 10:7–12)

The well-known prophecy in the second chapter of the book of Joel also includes reference to returning gibborim (giants, Nephilim offspring). Though expositors tend to view Joel describing an army of locusts, he includes gibborim in his descriptions in the phrase “they shall run like mighty men [gibborim].” Does this mean something besides the fact that grasshoppers will be involved in Joel’s end-times army?

[They are] a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it…and nothing shall escape them. The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run…. They shall run like mighty men [gibbowr, gibborim]; they shall climb the wall like men of war.… They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief. The earth shall quake before them.… And the Lord shall utter His voice before His army: for His camp is very great: for He is strong that executeth His word: for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible; and who can abide it? (Joel 2:2–11)

Another expression Joel uses—“the appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run”—sounds like the last-days locusts and transgenic horse-men mutations in Revelation 9:7–19. When all such texts are added up, there is persuasive evidence that the massive gibborim army that runs upon the wall from which nobody can escape could be the result of man’s willingness to play “god” in reviving forbidden science and opening “gates” to gibborim lurking in the beyond.

Does a curious verse in the book of Daniel also hint at this? Speaking of the last days of human government, Daniel said: “They shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay” (Daniel 2:43).

While Daniel does not explain who “they” that “mingle themselves with the seed of men” are, the personal pronoun “they” caused Chuck Missler and Mark Eastman, in their book, Alien Encounters, to ask: “Just what (or who) are ‘mingling with the seed of men?’ Who are these non-seed? It staggers the mind to contemplate the potential significance of Daniel’s passage and its implications for the future global governance.”[2] Daniel’s verse also troubled Missler and Eastman because it seemed to indicate that the same phenomenon that occurred in Genesis chapter 6, where nonhuman species or “nonseed” mingled with human seed and produced Nephilim would happen again in the end times. When this verse from Daniel is coupled with Genesis 3:15, which says, “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed [zera, meaning “offspring,” “descendents,” or “children”] and her seed,” an incredible tenet emerges—that Satan has seed, and that it is at enmity with Christ.



To “mingle” nonhuman seed with Homo sapiens through altering human dna while simultaneously returning Nephilim to earth has been the inspiration of the spirit of Antichrist ever since God halted the practice during the Great Flood. According to Louis Pauwells and Jacques Bergier in The Dawn of Magic (first published in France in 1960 under the title Le Matin des Magiciens), this was certainly the goal of the antichrist Adolf Hitler:

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Hitler’s aim was neither the founding of a race of supermen, nor the conquest of the world; these were only means towards the realization of the great work he dreamed of. His real aim was to perform an act of creation, a divine operation, the goal of a biological mutation which would result in an unprecedented exaltation of the human race and the “apparition of a new race of heroes and demigods and god-men.”[3]

One cannot read the conclusion by Pauwells and Bergier regarding Hitler’s antichrist ambition without seeing how it corresponds perfectly with the goals of transhumanism, even to the connection of creating posthuman bodies fit for deity incarnation through genetic engineering.

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THREAD. A year ago today, I published a controversial thread about a time I overheard individuals talking about cloning experiments at a Democrat party fundraiser. At the time I did not disclose the identities of the individuals involved in such endeavors however I will ...
name them tonight. First of all, here is a link to the thread i published a year ago today about overhearing conversations related to cloning.
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Although at the time I published the above thread, many people were skeptical, I said at the time it was a true account. And it was. One of the specific individuals I overheard speaking with Nancy Pelosi regarding cloning experiments was John Sperling

Sperling was the founder of the University of Phoenix, one of the largest (if not the largest) for-profit universities in the United States.

I clearly overheard Sperling speaking with Pelosi about advanced cloning experiments on living beings, including animals and humans.
The other individual I heard both Pelosi and Sperling speaking about relating to cloning experiments being done on remote islands, was Jeff Bezos, CEO of Amazon.

Bezos was not there. But they were talking about him. And Pelosi kept saying, "He's doing mine." "He's doing mine."

I understand that sounds completely insane. That is what I heard. I will also note that Pelosi was drinking and seemed tipsy to me. But it didn't sound like a joke to me. On several occasions when I was around her she was drinking a lot.

I will write more about this in time.

The reason I haven't been on lately is a very sad one. My sister passed away from COPD and lung cancer. She was a heavy smoker for many years and it finally caught up with her. She had been going down for the last few years. I taked to her way back about quiting smoking but it never did any good. By the time she finally quit, it was too late.

God bless all of you......."Hope to be back on soon."

very sorry to hear that, especially as a former smoker myself....although i have not smoked one in nearly 35 years, i started at a young age and smoked a bunch of them....my prayers for your family

Sorry for your loss, ScaRZ.  Prayers for your comfort and solace in the Lord.

I'm so very sorry Scarz.  God bless and comfort you .   judy

In Revelation 9:7 the locust have on their heads were as it were [crowns like gold]. The wording of crowns LIKE gold has a totally different meaning than if it had said crowns OF gold. This implies it's a FALSE or fake.


Revelation 9:7


And the shapes of the locusts [were] like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads [were] as it were [crowns like gold], and their faces [were] as the faces of men.


Now take that in mind and you will see the real deal spoken of in Revelation 4:4 and the [crowns of gold].


Revelation 4:4


And round about the throne [were] four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads [crowns of gold].


I believe the locust and the crowns LIKE gold that are on their heads represent a false or fake word that will be preached by them. The Antichrist and the locust will come upon the whole earth as a great cloud of deception and if you don't have the seal of God you will be deceived into believing a lie. 

They are a deceptive army that will sting like a scorpion and leave mankind paralyzed like a scorpion leaves its prey. In other words mankind will be defenseless from that point on. That is the reason we are instructed to put on the whole armor of God.

We must be prepared for a spiritual war of a deceptive spirit world at all times. The sting of the locust will have no effect on the elect or those who have Gods seal,they will be protected by the whole armor of God they are wearing. 


Ephesians 6:11-13


Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. (Wiles means...A stratagem or trick intended to deceive or ensnare.)


For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].


Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the [evil day], and having done [all], to stand.




In this EVIL DAY mankind must have the whole armor of God on or they will not be able to stand. They must be fully protected or the lies and deception of Satan,Antichrist,The False Prophet and the mighty locust army will ensnare them.

I certainly believe that scripture tells us of a time when the disguised Fallen Messengers will no longer be able to be any part of the heavenly dimensions or realms and will be stuck here on this planet with us. This I believe is why the disguised Fallen Messengers are stepping up their activity to deceive mankind into believing they are who they are not. They know that one day physically they will be here with mankind on earth. They are now laying the groundwork to co-exist with us. 


Isaiah 24:21


And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

ScaRZ wrote:

I certainly believe that scripture tells us of a time when the disguised Fallen Messengers will no longer be able to be any part of the heavenly dimensions or realms and will be stuck here on this planet with us. This I believe is why the disguised Fallen Messengers are stepping up their activity to deceive mankind into believing they are who they are not. They know that one day physically they will be here with mankind on earth. They are now laying the groundwork to co-exist with us. 


Isaiah 24:21


And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

scarz, they're already here

Michael said,    "scarz, they're already here".


Even tho I might study it at an arm's length, I agree with that.
PROOF:  


Even each time I read the thread title, I think..not 'will we'.
More like 'Do we". 
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Where you both might see this, I ran into something on Nimrod.  They said the Book of Jasher chapter 27 says
Esau killed Nimrod.


But then I read that little survives of the original Jasher, and
what we have available was written MUCH later, suggesting
it's not reliable.  It's on my list to check Ken Johnson (?)
if that's his name, to see if he had any studies on Jasher. 
I can't say I'll ever get to it, or if it's even worth checking.

michael371 wrote:

scarz, they're already here

You may very well be correct Michael.

When was,or is the great war in heaven fought between Michael and his angels and The Dragon and his angels?.........."I still find myself going back and forth on this question." 

Revelation 12:7........"And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,"

There will be two comings in the future.

He who comes first will be The Lie. He who comes second will be The Truth.

The Lie will ascend out of the bottomless pit (Abyss) when it is opened.

The Truth will come as heaven is opened.

These contents that pour out of The Abyss have a King over them and is released along with the hordes of locust spoken of in Revelation Chapter 9, they will flood the earth with their numbers.

I think the image of the Locust army shows that they will appear as a man. They will look just like humans and the description of having,"Hair of Women" could represent their beauty. The beautiful hair of women not only attract we men but also drew the Sons of God (Watchers) to the daughters of men and they began to desire them.

The "Teeth of Lions" I think could be describing the lies and deceptions coming from their spoken words that will devour mankind. This Locust army will come to take your mind as well as your physical body. This is a war and those who don't have the seal of God to know the truth will not have a chance. The King (Abaddon) and his army are coming with a strong delusion to deceive all mankind.

The seal of God is for those who will not believe the deception,because they know the truth and will not believe the great lie. They will know who The King (Abaddon) is and will not fall for him or his army. But the rest of the World will believe the lie and delusion,following Abaddon and his army of deception. Just as God has sealed his,The World will be sealed by the deception.

I believe the "Horses and Chariots" may represent the power and swiftness this great army of deception will move upon the whole World of all people and all nations. Remember a "falling away" has been taking place as people have turned their backs on the one true God. Now The King (Abaddon) and his great army swiftly roll over them leaving utter ruins behind them. As Joel 2:3 says,"and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them."

I believe the "Breastplates of Iron" may represent the heartless and cold nature of this deceptive army.

The "Sting as a Scorpion" I believe will be the mighty sting of deception that will torment body and mind of mankind. The faces of The World will appear as blackness (every face turns pale) because all light has been sucked out of them. Without Father,Son and Holy Spirit there is no light and all that remains is a shell of darkness and pain. The King and his army will be so deceptive that (if it were possible) even the elect [chosen] would be deceived by all the signs and lying wonders that embody the strong delusion.

The King (Abaddon) is the one also known as The Destroyer (The Antichrist).

"Once they have your mind they have you."

I'm one who believes "A" World System will be in place before The Antichrist comes on the scene. It will be up and running but not what it will be as The Antichrist takes power and heals it.

Remember he shall confirm the covenant with "Many"........."In other words he helps to strengthen it." The covenant is already in place. 

Then there are the words of Jesus Christ spoken in Revelation 16:15. He is going to bless those who are watching and keeping their garments on. I believe keeping their garments or cloths on is a symbol of their faith. They won't give up, they won't lose their faith,they won't stop watching for Jesus Christ to come as he promised. 

Revelation 16:15......."Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame."

Many don't see what is very plain and simple in the words of Jesus in Revelation 16:15........."If they are to keep their garments on this means they can lose their garments." Believers can lose their garments only if they had them." They will then wear the shame of falling away and being sucked into the big lie. This plainly shows once saved does not always mean always saved. This is why we are to always be watching and not to be caught sleeping.

This plainly shows once saved does not always mean always saved. This is why we are to always be watching and not to be caught sleeping
Ahhhh... I wonder how this ties to what our Lord said to the disciples who feel asleep as He prayed to Father  and then I  remember what He said as He awoke them 3x there as the time came.. 
Jesus Prays at Gethsemane
…39Going a little farther, He fell facedown and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me. Yet not as I will, but as You will.” 40Then Jesus returned to the disciples and found them sleeping. “Were you not able to keep watch with Me for one hour?” He asked Peter. 41“Watch and pray so that you will not enter into temptation. For the spirit is willing, but the body is weak.”…

I don't claim any wisdom on once saved, always saved.  But I have this 'experience'
that might address it.

There have been a couple of looong stretches since meeting Christ where I did things that would be called sins. (You can CAPITALIZE that.)
During the younger time I knew there was 'something wrong with me', but didn't seem able , or even knew HOW I might escape it.  But that thought is a bloody invitation to the devil to have his way, for sure.  Yet even in my mess I was protected.  

The 2nd time with the Presence...this time with Power, oh my goodness.  I was carrying on, even as He was close, revealing things, providing, teaching.  But not punishing, not criticizing.  That time, one night He said, "That's enough now."  No condemnation; just a simple statement.  What came after that was a fearful attack on my daughter and a miracle deliverance from it.  

So along the way, if I missed a "leading" and stepped in the poo, well, that's how it goes.  Not like I wasn't warned.  But He didn't do it or cause it. I stepped in it all by my little self-willed 'self'.
Once I goofed and got caught in the enemy's trap-a spirit trap.  That took an honest to God visit from an angel to get freed from.  Even with all my praying and confessing, I COULD NOT do it!  

So, what all this causes me to think about is Paul saying "Where sin abounds, Grace much more abounds. ".   And thinking back, that seems to be the Truth of it.

And Jesus saying, He would not lose a single one of those that the Father had given to Him.

And how the devil rushes in immediately to steal away what we are given.
AND higher levels, bigger devils.
So yes indeed we need the Whole Armor and real understanding of the Word.

But you also need to understand, as I do very well, FOR SURE I didn't find favor because of who this girl is.  I was taught the whole measure of my worth depended on my performance IN the world system.  
And it wasn't until I ran into something SO FAR BEYOND anything I could think or do,
and so outrageous to even think of accepting, that this time I rebelled the RIGHT WAY, and made Finding Him my only mission.

Bordercollie.......This is all about being asleep in your mind and falling prey to being sucked into The World and The Things of The World. 

Dove.....This Isn't about drifting into sin and repenting......."This is about putting on Jesus Christ (Garment) and losing your faith in The Real Deal Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior." Believers can turn their backs on Christ and fall away and believe The Lie. In other words they can lose their garment (Jesus Christ) that covers their sin.

This is clearly shown in the parable of The King and The Marriage of his Son. I believe we all understand this parable is about The Marriage Supper of The Lamb.

Matthew 22:2........"Matthew 22:2........"The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,"

I'm not going to post the whole parable so those with interest please read it all. I'm just going to get to the point of the wedding garment.

Matthew 22:11-13


And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:


And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.


Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.



The man could not have ever entered without once wearing the garment. He had put on Jesus Christ and wore the garment of covering but now he was naked of The Real Deal Jesus Christ.

As I read through Matt. 22, I see Jesus making the offer to Come, but people rejecting the offer.


ScaRZ, you said "The man could not have ever entered without once wearing the garment."


I don't see that.  If He somehow got in without it, I don't see any indication that he ever had it.  But I'll keep looking for it.


Only my opinion.

It's a parable Dove. 

He had to have one to ever get into the Wedding Feast of The Lamb. I can't believe you don't realize that. 

Here is another example that is so simple. The Vine and The Branches. How can a Branch be attached to The Vine (Jesus Christ) if they are not a believer? If you are not a member of his body then you are never attached. Once you are a true believer and follower of Jesus Christ then you become a member of The Church......."You are now a Branch of The True Vine." 

Now read the verses of scripture and we can see how Branches can be cast off.

John 15:1........"I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman."


the true vine.......The Real Deal,not a false or fake vine.


John 15:2........"Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.



Every branch in me........Notice the "in me", they are in Jesus Christ. They could not be a branch from The True Vine without being "In Christ".




John 15:5........"I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing."


abideth in me........(intimately connected,to stand by,hold to)




John 15:6........"If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.



As we can read the branch that does not abide will be cast off The True Vine (Jesus Christ) and it appears to me the lake of fire is the end result.

If you are saved, you are SAVED!!! period....just as you cannot change your earthly father, neither can you change your Heavenly Father....Adam and Eve hide from their Father after they had tried to cloth themselves with their own works, but their Father made a covering for them...He punished them, just as dads did us when we screwed up, but our dads never stopped being our dads even maybe during periods of estrangement, and neither did our Heavenly Father...You did nothing to make yourself a child of God and you can do nothing to keep yourself a child of God...God forgave you because you asked for forgiveness, just as your dad did...If you think that your works means one little bitty damn, you have a very shallow understanding of salvation and what it is.....God is sovereign, in other words, He really don't need you to run His family business...kinda' like our dads

I did not just give one example in scripture I gave two. I can list several more but what really is the point of banging my head against the wall. 

I will tell everyone exactly where I stand......"I will not beat around the bush, and in my opinion it is much too important." I believe a believer can fall away from The Truth and now believe A Lie. I'm not talking about someone who never really was a believer in the first place. I get so sick and tired of people that throw that into the conversation.

I believe if a true believer stops believing they will not be saved......."I mean they never even attempt to repent,ask forgiveness or return in any way at all." I have never read anywhere in scripture that a believer that no longer believes Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior still remains saved and has eternal life."

I  believe that in order to be saved you must believe that Jesus died for us and arose - -  your lamp must have oil . Like a car  filled with gasoline , you can make the journey but if you don't refill and run out of gas,  you'll be left on the side of the road. Keep your " AAA card"  at all times it  won't do any good if it is allowed to expire.

I feel like you're arguing what I just agreed with you over.  But maybe you're not speaking to me?

Ok, I was out working on the fence in this 100 degree heat today and as the sweat  stung my eyes, I had this conversation  going on here deep on my mind. This picture kept popping into my mind as I finished my work and headed home 
 : One of the last times I went to my sister's church, they were having communion and repeating the apostle's creed. Some of the wording was not what I would call as comforting to me... I looked around  at the folks- the people were all glassy eyed and just reading the monitor- not  really thinking about what it said I guess. Anyways, I watched the procession to partake of the bread dipped in wine and  the "eyes "of many were not realizing what it was all about... Right scary it was.. just a  cold ritual  without feeling. Now personally, I have teary eyes when I have my own communion with one of my on line pastors and so do they .
  So could it be that one of this type  thought they had the wedding garment , yet did not? Because they weren't committed?

Apostasy:  Holman Bible Dictionary. Apostasy. (a pahss' tuh ssee) is the act of rebelling against, forsaking, abandoning, or falling away from what one has believed. Old Testament The Old Testament speaks of “falling away” in terms of a person's deserting to a foreign king 


This term in Greek (a·po·sta·siʹa) comes from a verb literally meaning “to stand away from.” The noun has the sense of “desertion, abandonment, or rebellion.



1 : an act of refusing to continue to follow, obey, or recognize a religious faith. 2 : abandonment of a previous loyalty : defection.



apostasia, means “a defiance of an established system or authority; a rebellion; an abandonment or breach of faith.” 



Hebrews 6  is pretty harsh.


YET this ALSO IS TRUTH:  John 6:  38For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me,


And John 10:29 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand.
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Are there some 'chosen'-sent from heaven for a purpose, as opposed to 'whomsoever will'? Is this where 'once saved, always saved' comes from?  I would think it could be.   So, 2 different answers? Both correct?

Dove wrote:

I feel like you're arguing what I just agreed with you over.  But maybe you're not speaking to me?

I'm not arguing with you or anyone else. I'm laying out what I believe is very important.

This is who I am,what I believe,and why I believe it.

That's good.  So, do you feel we've all arrived at the same understanding?  I guess it will always be inconceivable to me that anyone who knows Jesus personally would turn from Him....it's still completely tempting to just say,
'well they weren't truly saved.  They didn't really know Him."
They never really understood.
But sure, we're swimming in a sea of Apostasy.  It's all around us, in and outside the churches.

Now, if one must be 'born again'  of the Spirit to see the Kingdom of God,
and as Righteousness, Peace and Joy of the Spirit IS the Kingdom,
and as the Holy Spirit IS our Righteousness,
AND the unpardonable sin is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit....

I could go somewhere with that, but it isn't necessary.

bordercollie wrote:

  So could it be that one of this type  thought they had the wedding garment , yet did not? Because they weren't committed?

You make a good point Bordercollie and I've thought the same thing. Did you notice in  verse 12 of Matthew 22 that the man without the wedding garment was speechless.


Matthew 22:12........"And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless."

This guy could not believe he didn't have the garment on. 


Now look at Revelation Chapter 16 verse 15.

Revelation 16:15........"Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame."


Now this is one of the main reasons why I believe the man had lost his garment. The man now was naked of his garment standing in shame. 

How could the man have ever gotten in without the garment on in the first place?......"I don't believe he could."

I believe he lost his garment that he once wore by leaving the Real Deal Jesus Christ and following a false christ. Remember the words of Jesus Christ....."For Many shall come in MY NAME saying I am Christ and shall decieve many." A person that is being decieved doesn't realize they are being decieved. If a person knows they are being decieved then they aren't being decieved. This man was speechless because he had been decieved into believing A LIE. 

"If they are to keep their garments on this means they can lose their garments."

Now I will go back to The True Vine (Jesus Christ) and the branches. To be cast out you had to be attached.

Dove wrote:

But sure, we're swimming in a sea of Apostasy.  

I agree 100%.

Yes, that "astonishment "  mentioned grabbed my attention. Somehow ,this person thought they were supposed to be there - but were likely following a false teaching that has the appearance of our Savior's teaching.But, is far from it .  I could think of many cases  where this is a real possibility in today's world.

For me these are some very tough questions to answer. 

The Old Testament in verses also speak that during the 1,000 year period of time a New Temple will be built. I have always wondered why a temple would need building with Jesus Christ ruling on earth. Are they going to be sacrificing on an alter again during the 1,000 years?




Isn't Jesus Christ the true, the final, the real temple?




Isn't it through Jesus Christ a "Temple" was established where all who come to Jesus Christ can dwell in that temple and become part of the temple........"His Body"?




So again,why is there a need for a temple to be built during the 1,000 years?

Heavenly Jerusalem never comes down from God until after the Little Season of Satan and the Great White Throne Judgment have taken place. Heavenly Jerusalem is not here during the Millennium. A new Heaven and new Earth must be created and all sin removed before the Heavenly city descends. God can't allow even a small amount of rebellion in his creation or it would eventually destroy the whole creation.

As the words of Galatians 5:9 say "A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump."

We know that before the Millennium begins that the Antichrist and the False Prophet will be cast into the lake of fire. Satan is locked away in the Abyss and will have no direct influence on those living during the One Thousand years. 

How long in our known time frame will a Little Season be?........How much time in our time frame of today will Satan have to [deceive] once again?.........Again it appears we are not told. If it's somewhere in scripture I've not found it as of this post.

There are only two times in scripture where the words "Little Season" are used and here they are below.

Revelation 6:11


And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a [little season], until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.


Revelation 20:3


And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a [little season].

I believe one of the main factors of Satan being released once again after the One Thousand years will be that children will be born and they never had to live as we do. They will be born in an environment that none of us have had the pleasure of being a part of.

These children of the Millennium Age will feel what we feel when Satan's Little Season takes place. I believe they were born in a world with a huge silver spoon in their mouths and now God will see if they truly love him. 

 I believe everyone on the whole face of the earth will be taught and have full knowledge of who Christ is. 

I also believe these Millennium Age born will not live in a world where animals will kill one another for food or pleasure. All animals will eat hay and grains being at peace with one another and mankind.

Isaiah 65:23


They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.


Isaiah 11:6-8


The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.


And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.


And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.


Isaiah 65:20


There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

From the post before last, ScaRZ you said, "Isn't it through Jesus Christ a "Temple" was established where all who come to Jesus Christ can dwell in that temple and become part of the temple........"His Body"?


1 Corin. 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?”


1 Corin. 6:19  What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Now, I know Jesus said, 'you in Me, and I in you'.  So, I'll think on that some more, but these verses seem relevant also to our understanding.

I was ask two questions by someone and below is how I answered him back.

In knowing both good and evil – does not man sin?


In knowing both good and evil – have not angels sinned?


Certainly man sins knowing of good and evil and (angels,messengers,Sons of God) have sinned and know of good and evil. But just knowing of good and evil doesn't in itself make man or angels sin.

Some people believe that Jesus while he was here on this earth being part man could not sin........"But is this true?"

Jesus was tempted as every man is tempted but he never sinned. But this doesn't mean he could not sin. Jesus knew of good and evil but always chose good over evil......."He never chose to sin."

I believe the Heavenly Host are learning not only from fallen man,but also from the fallen Heavenly Host. They are watching as things play out. They can know of good and evil without sinning. Knowing of good and evil but choosing good.

This below is a very good read,take some time and digest it. 

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John the Baptist was a Sagittarius
(by Richard W. Davis October 17, 2005)

Luke 1:5
Zacharias was a Priest of the course of Abia. His wife was Elizabeth.

Luke 1:11, 13, 17
An angel of the Lord, Gabriel, appeared to Zacharias and told him his wife Elizabeth will bear him a son. Gabriel further told him to name him John. This son (John) will go in the spirit and power of Elias and prepare the way for the Lord.

Luke 1:26, 27, 31, 35, 36
Gabriel appeared to Mary, Elizabeth’s cousin in the “sixth” month and told her she will bear Jesus, the Son of God. Gabriel further told her that Elizabeth was in her “sixth” month with child.

Luke 1:39, 40, 56, 57, 59, 60, 64, 65
Mary stayed with Elizabeth for “three” months, until she gave birth to John. When John was only eighth days old, he spoke and praised God. Fear came upon all who heard and his word’s were spread throughout all the hill country of Judea.

In summary, Elizabeth was in her “sixth” month with “John the Baptist” when she heard of Gabriel’s visit with Mary. The sixth month on the Hebrew calendar is “Elul”. Elul falls into our Gregorian calendar as our August-September. Elizabeth bore John in the “ninth” month as recorded. The ninth month on the Hebrew calendar is “Kislev”. Kislev on our calendar is November-December.

“Sagittarius” falls between November 22 to December 20. John the Baptist was born in the sign of Sagittarius.

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What about 'Jesus'?

The above account of John’s birth also lays out the time frame of Jesus birth.

Luke 1:26, 36
In the sixth month (Elul) Gabriel told Mary she will conceive a son, to be named ‘Jesus’ (Immanuel).

Luke: 1:38-41, 56
When she heard this, Mary went right away to tell Elizabeth and subsequently stayed with her for three months, until Elizabeth bore John, in the month of “Kislev” (November-December).

IF Mary conceived at the time that Gabriel told her she would conceive, then ‘Jesus’ was conceived by the Holy Ghost in the month of “Elul” on the Hebrew calendar (August-September). ‘Jesus’ would therefore have been born in the third month (nine months from “Elul”), which is the month of “Sivan”. “Sivan”, on our Gregorian calendar is May-June.

After Gabriel’s visit, Mary went “in haste” to Elizabeth. In Matthew 1:18-19, Joseph sought to “put her away” because she was pregnant, not by him. Perhaps this is one of the reasons why Mary lived with Elizabeth for three months, (put her away) before returning to Joseph.

Luke 2:1-6
Joseph took Mary to Bethlehem where ‘Jesus’ (Immanuel) was born during the time that Caesar Augustus (The first Roman Emperor), through the Syrian governor Quirinius, decreed that all the world should be taxed and a census took place (historically, spring A.U.C. 747, 748 or 749).

This was the first time in Roman history that such was done for everyone. Prior to this, taxes were only collected from Roman citizens and rulers. All census began and concluded in the spring of the year. . If this (Luke’s account) census began or concluded in Spring, then May-June (Sivan) would be a reasonable assumption for the month of the year this census took place in Bethlehem.

This coincides with Gabriel appearing to Mary nine months earlier, in the sixth month, “Elul”.

Too conclude that ‘Jesus’ was born in the third (3rd) month of the Hebrew Calendar fits squarely on historical record and the Gospel accounts. Therefore, Jesus’ birth occurred in the month of Sivan, which is our May-June. (a spring birth)

At the time of 'Jesus’ birth there was an unusual conjunction of Mars, Jupiter & Saturn in the constellation Pisces (the symbol of Pisces is The Fish). The “wise men” would have been able to witness this conjunction in the constellations. In Astrology, the “Age of Pisces” was begininng in that era approx 2000 years ago. The “wise men” were astrologers and were therefore aware of ‘their time’ being the beginning of a New Age. Today we are living at the end of the “Age of Pisces” and at the dawning of the “Age of Aquarius”.

IF Jesus was born in Sivan, He would have been born under the sign of Gemini (May 21-June 21). Side Note: the symbol of Gemini is The Twins.

Concluding Biblical & Historical Facts:

1) Jesus was born at the dawning of the age of Pisces.
2) There was a conjunction of the 3 major planets (from earth) in Pisces.
3) “Wise men” (star gazers) saw and journeyed to visit Jesus’ at birth.
4) A Roman census was being taken in Bethlehem at the time of Jesus birth.
5) Census’ were taken in spring; months of “Iyar” and “Sivan”, April-June.
6) “Sivan” was nine months after Gabriel appeared to Mary in “Elul”.
7) “Sivan” is the third month of the Hebrew Calendar.

In the 6th month (6-number of man) Gabriel appeared to Mary.
In the 3rd month (3-number of God), Jesus was born.

[Side note: Sivan = Same month Spirit of G-d descended on Mt. Sinai and gave 1st Covenant to Moses.]

http://www.jewfaq.org/calendar.htm
http://www.jewishgen.org/jos/josdates.htm

"whew,scarz".....i do know about the signs,scarz, and the difference in the mazzoroth verses the zodiac...lots of things up there to look at

Richard W. Davis wrote........

It has been presumed that the birth must have been early fall (Sept/Oct), because it would be too cold in winter to have the flocks out at night, and Fall is the time that people come into the city during the harvest to sell their yields.

However the Gospels clearly give the months involved, as per my article above. And so, the shepherds were watching their flocks at night because it was spring. And the Inns were full because there was a Roman census called and the country folk had to come into town for it.

Currently I'm researching Roman history on the three Jewish Wars (AD 70, AD 115-117 and AD 132-136) They provide important references conclusively proving the Wars were Roman interventions to stop the Jewish rebellions caused by the internal religious battles between Jewish factions over Christianity. The Temple/Torah Jews/Sanhedrin and Jewish Aristocracy were trying to stop the spread of Christianity amoung them, and to wipe any memory of it from their history. So vehement were they in their pursuit that Israel became impossible for the Romans to Govern. Hence it took three bloody wars to put the religious in-fighting to rest. After which the Christian religion was freely tolerated throughout the Roman empire. Judaism however was virtually outlawed.

Richard W. Davis wrote........

IF Jesus was born in Sivan, He would have been born under the sign of Gemini (May 21-June 21). Side Note: the symbol of Gemini is The Twins.



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David Flynn wrote........"Gemini, the twins. Castor is the suffering redeemer, and Pollux is the king. Symbols of the first and second coming of Christ."

That sheep thing works. June/July is the end of spring and/or the start of summer, nice and warm, so makes sense that sheep would be out in the fields at either time. Now counting backwards nine months, say back from June to establish an anchor date, would take us back to September.

September - what a great time for the conception to have happened.

The powerful astronomy programs we now have available to us agree too. Wind the date back in time using a program like Stellarium and you arrive at September 11, 3BC for one big honkin' conjunction in the sky. See what Mike Heiser found on this.

Though Heiser makes a case for the birth this would fit just as well for the conception. Video is about 9½ minutes to view.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O44nNzRa81Q

Thanks Researcher......I'm glad to see someone is digesting this. I found it very interesting and it has gotten me seeing things different than I have before. Good video from Michael Heiser. One I viewed a good while back,thanks for posting it.

I as well as most that comment here are not afraid to enter places that most shy away from. I have long wonder why Jesus spoke the words he did or didn't speak. Jesus said (we,angels,nobody)wouldn't know the day nor hour/day or hour of his coming.

We all may not know the day nor hour/day and hour,but can or should we know the month/months on which he will return or year and month/months within that year?

Jesus Christ tells his elect to "Watch". If we are to watch for something we can't see,then why is he telling us to watch?

Those of The World are asleep and aren't watching. The World is in darkness and blind to the coming. The World isn't watching/seeing the signs/heavenly signs.

But what about those who aren't in darkness but are watching?


1 Thessalonians 1-4


But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.


For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.


For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.


But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.



Yes,the day of the Lord comes like a thief in the night upon those asleep,but those watching are not in darkness. The Lord will not come as a thief in the night to them......."They await The Lord."

When the light of The Lord's return is seen by every eye......."The watching and waiting period is over."


Luke 17:24........"For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day."


Revelation 1:7........"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen."



KJV

Matthew 24:33........"So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors."



ESV

Matthew 24:33........"So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates."

I as well as most that comment here are not afraid to enter places that most shy away from.

And that is exactly why this forum has lived on for over 12+ years and across three different service providers. We are now down to the real hard core die-hards that have stuck it out over the years.

Here's our history:

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