Will we love the darkness more than the Light?

Dove wrote:

"gOTTA' GO TO THE DOCTOR"


Regular check up?  Or did something happen?

Routine- get my dope type checkup....i am trying to do without it, but it don't look promising

Scarz, abraham met Him, sat down and ate with him,along with the two angels, right before the destruction of sodom and gomorrah...that was Christ that stayed behind

michael371 wrote:

Scarz, abraham met Him, sat down and ate with him,along with the two angels, right before the destruction of sodom and gomorrah...that was Christ that stayed behind

Was it Abraham or was it Lot?

and michael371 wrote:

dove, there is no explanation of the Trinity, we are not capable of understanding it because we are finite creatures with an intellect tied to a 3 dimensional existence.  God is multidimensional....i tried to understand it at one time, but i never read anything that made sense, except for m. heisers explanation, which was inadequate as he said it would be.....i'm just making a reference to Christ and Johns revelation of just who He was and how few people understand....

gOTTA' GO TO THE DOCTOR

I don't find it complicated at all, any more; in a simple but sufficient for the times understanding.  And I understand the problem, and how it is very hard to define.
It's not something we "learn about".  It's something we BECOME.  It's an experience of the Spirit, and He reveals the Kingdom.  
'We must worship in Spirit and in Truth', which is accomplished by being born again of the Spirit.  Then we CAN understand the Trinity.
No one is truly 'born again' and filled with the Spirit and not know it.  It is the most profound thing that can happen to us.


(and for Mike..obviously I don't know it "ALL'.   As it is, what we've been discussing here, has made me realize my Kingdom vision is too dimmed, too dulled by the things of the world (with all the evil we've looked at.)  And I need to literally go for awhile at this point and take care of that.


It's funny you brought up Heiser in the discussion.  A while back ScaRZ posted a list of things Heiser said were the most important to gain from the written Word.
And I was agreeing as I read.  But then it stopped.  I thought ScaRZ would continue it in the next post.  But no. No more came.  It appears where M. stopped was the end of his understanding.   But Lord have Mercy on us, it CAN'T be the end of our understanding. So ScaRZ, at least you know where my 'criticism' of MH originates.
I had always found the rest of the story somehow missing in all he said, and now you've both shown what those missing elements are.
"You must be born again to see the Kingdom of God."


And I'm not really fussing about MH.  It is my chief complaint about the church.  Only now are they beginning to put emphasis on it,
and on DISCIPLINE~something I've been lacking in.
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It was Abraham.  I read it yesterday. Three (entities) in total came to Abraham and ate with him that day.   2 angels went to Lot's house.  And they probably were the same two.

Dove wrote:

It was Abraham.  I read it yesterday. Three (entities) in total came to Abraham and ate with him that day.   2 angels went to Lot's house.  And they probably were the same two.

Thanks Dove, I'm going to go read it right now.

THIS was a thump on the (my) head, yesterday.  
Genesis 17:1 17 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
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I may be a little paranoid, here, about all the things I leave unsaid.  I mentioned discipline. (think disciple)
But there's always something else equally important, that may not get mentioned with the thought of the moment. Surrendering our will to the Will of the Father is key.    And it is our best assurance that we are doing what is required of us, at the right time, and in the right way.


The Spirit leads us into all Righteousness.  When He is in control of our thoughts, emotions, actions, we can have confidence that what we do is pleasing to God, and it IS His Will. And that comes from both seeking out, and then yielding to Him (continually would be Lovely.)
But, human nature is a stubborn thing to subdue. The 'war in our members' (in the flesh) is a tiresome activity.  And it's ultimately unproductive, as there is nothing we can handle better than God can.
And for sure, not on our own (imagined) righteousness.


I once saw the most awesome description of the Triune Nature of God.  I'm going to hope to find it again.  If not, I'll put down my simple understanding, and how I came to it. 
You all please continue on with your discussions, and I'll add in what I find.  

https://deeptruths.com/articles/the-true-meaning-of-the-word-antichrist.html

michael371 wrote:

dove, there is no explanation of the Trinity, we are not capable of understanding it because we are finite creatures with an intellect tied to a 3 dimensional existence.  God is multidimensional.

Michael......Is this in line with your thinking on The Trinity?

We live in a three dimensional realm where all physical objects have a certain height,width,and depth. No two humans can ever be exactly alike. Sure someone might look like someone,act like someone,or could even sound the same,but never be an exact copy. God however does not live with limitations of this three dimensional realm that we are limited to live in. 

I guess by using math The Trinity would not be 1+1+1=3,but would be 1x1x1=1

God is a Triune God.

The Popes present themselves to the world as the Intermediary between God and the people effectively standing in the place of Jesus.
They and the RCC have taken on the role of  Forgiveness of sins.

Without ever having to delve any further into the bucketful of the devil that they are, (even though we have), shows them to be without a doubt anti christ.  Perhaps, The antichrist.  Particularly if the true church is gone (whether killed or raptured), and if the  RCC resumes their overt efforts to 'capture'-'own' Jerusalem.

Even if we look to Islam as the 'bed' from which THE antichrist will arise, there are strong historical arguments that Islam is a creation of the RCC.

ScaRZ wrote:

michael371 wrote:

dove, there is no explanation of the Trinity, we are not capable of understanding it because we are finite creatures with an intellect tied to a 3 dimensional existence.  God is multidimensional.

Michael......Is this in line with your thinking on The Trinity?

We live in a three dimensional realm where all physical objects have a certain height,width,and depth. No two humans can ever be exactly alike. Sure someone might look like someone,act like someone,or could even sound the same,but never be an exact copy. God however does not live with limitations of this three dimensional realm that we are limited to live in. 

I guess by using math The Trinity would not be 1+1+1=3,but would be 1x1x1=1

God is a Triune God.

As Jesus said, 'if someone says here is the christ or there...don't go"
He is not in the world.  That's not where we'll find Him.

God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit

How do we move from knowing ABOUT God, and ABOUT Jesus and come to a relationship (communion and communication) with them when they are not on the
earth?  By the Holy Spirit, whom they have sent to the believer, Jesus said.

Which keeps bringing back to the 'Big" discussion.  (hee.)  If someone learned by the same Spirit which was with Jesus, would He not introduce Himself?  By Name?

When the LIGHT knocked Saul (Paul) off his horse, scripture says Paul said, who are you, Lord. (paraphrased)  and the Light answered:  I AM Jesus, whom you persecute.

no quite, scarz....we are bound to the 3 dimensional world where there are only 3 dimensions, those being length/width/depth.....the bible in both isaiah and the gospel of john mention God having 4 dimensioas, those being length/width/depth and HEIGHT, which most scholars summize as being the incorporation of time into the other dimensions which them makes for the eternal....it is above my paygrade, and even the most skilled bible scholars that i read ,when i tried to find an explanation, finalized that it was impossible for a finite mind to understand the mind and existence of God Almighty....to say that you "understand" the trinity would be likened to saying that you understand the mind and existence of God, which scripture clearly says that we can't....period

There is a bridge for our understanding that Jesus and the Father have sent to us.
But now requires a flurry of verses, I guess.  Anyone may start.

And if we really want to fine tune the word to be specific, Christ (Christos), as in Jesus the Christ,
is the anointing of the Holy Spirit which was UPON Him to preach the Good News...(Isa.)

The 'Anointing upon', the DUDAMIS,  in the Bible is the POWER: The Strength, the Power, The Ability to carry out the  Specific Will of God FOR WHICH IT WAS SENT. (on the prophets, on Kings such as David).

As an aside, remember how King Saul lost his position. his mind,  and the Anointing upon him  through disobedience to God.
It's very important to remember that the Spirit came upon a very few, chosen men in the OT, and  was not available to 'whomsoever will'.

 1 Cor. 2:1-13;   explanation
1 Pet. 1:12        Another.  Give close attention to every word to see where the Spirit is in his words.

Verse of the day  (Biblegateway.com)  1 Corin. 6:19 AVKJ

What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.

I believe we have been visited for thousands of years. I'm more of a believer in the host of the heavens coming to our earthly realm. I believe some have mixed with humans but I don't think they ever were just limited to reproduce of themselves through sex as we know it. I believe they have manufactured,built,constructed Androids and Hybrids with...DNA...cloning... in the mix as well as material things. They also have messed around with creatures,animals,and reptiles to further the mixing and creating off creation.  

I'm a Christian who believes we never were alone and never will be. God's Host of heaven were created before we (Man) came into the picture. Many believe we are now part of something new that has never been seen before, and that is nothing but a blanket of untruths. As we have heard many times in our lives.....History repeats itself. Nothing is new, it is only a copy of something. 

Even if one isn't a believer in a Biblical account of things, you can't help but to see this link in other ancient civilizations and cultures as far back as one can go to the gods of the heavens coming among man. I believe they've had their fingerprints on and around us for thousands of years. I believe they have opened the knowledge of some of the secrets of the heavens,teaching and continuing to teach man. 

I also believe all visits are not from the darkside. Within the pages of The Bible many visits into our realm have come from God. I've never read anywhere in The Bible that the good visits have stopped. God can choose to use his host of heaven as he wishes.

I have had 'Good visits'.     So I certainly believe in them.
And I have in the past and distant past studied other religions (tho my recollection isn't great)
and did find elements of God's Truth in them.

Of course they have no Salvation from the wages of sin (which is death) without Jesus.  
And no cause to expect Eternal Life.   And as I said earlier, even those Anointed by God with His Spirit had to wait (body in the grave, soul in Abraham's Bosom till Jesus rose from the dead.)

The Bible says that on the Last Day Resurrection, all who sleep (not raptured) will be raised to Judgment.  Some to eternal life, some not.
Those who know Him not will be judged according their works, without The Advocate.

Every testimony we have where Jesus appeared to someone, they returned~ were sent back to their life here on earth.
(there's a duh.  Haha.  Otherwise we wouldn't know of their testimony.)

I suppose it IS because we cannot know the Mind of God, that I won't deviate from scripture.
And other reasons as well. 

The Love of God is Wonderful, Powerful and Overwhelming.  But He is Righteous and Just as well.
"IT WILL BE AS HE SAYS IT IS".  

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I believe I can back up what I've said with the Bible,  but it could take a little time.

Very interesting work from Dr. Turner that I read first many years ago. She has been dead for several years and I still enjoy more older material than most of the newer.

"Only the small secrets need to be protected. The large ones are kept secret by public incredulity." Marshall McLuha 

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By Dr. Karla Turner


* Aliens can alter our perceptions of our surroundings. 

* Aliens can control what we think we see. They can appear to us any number of guises and shapes.
 
* Aliens can be present with us in an invisible state and can make themselves only partially visible. 

* Abductees receive marks on their bodies other than the well-known scoops and straight-line scars. 
These other marks include single punctures, multiple punctures, large bruises, three-and four fingered claw marks, and trangles of every possible sort. 

* Female abductees often suffer serious gynecological problems after their alien encounters, and sometimes these problems lead to cysts, tumors, cancer of the breast and uterus, and to hysterectomies. 

* A surprising number of abductees suffer from serious illnesses they didn't have before their encounters. These have led to surgery, debilitation, and even death from causes the doctors can't identify. 

* Abductees often encounter more than one sort of alien during an experience, not just the greys. Every possible combination of grey, reptoid, insectoid, blond, and widow's peak have been seen during single abductions, aboard the same craft or in the same facility. 

* Abductees report being scoffed at, jeered at, and threatened by their alien captors. Painful genital and anal probes are performed... Unknown fluids are injected into some abductees. 

* Abductees-"virgin" cases- report being taken to underground facilities where they see grotesque hybrid creatures, nurseries of hybrid humanoid fetuses, and vats of colored liquid filled with parts of human bodies.
 
* Abductees report seeing other humans in these facilities being drained of blood, being mutilated, flayed, and dismembered, and stacked, lifeless like cords of wood. Some abductees have been threatened that they, too, will end up in this condition if they don't co-operate with their alien captors. 

* Aliens come into homes and temorary remove young children, leaving their distraught parents paralyzed and helpless. In cases where a parent has been able to protest, the aliens insist that "The children belong to us." 

* Aliens have forced ther human abductees to have sexual intercourse with aliens and even with other abductees while groups of aliens observe these performances. In such encounters, the aliens have sometimes disguised themselves in order to gain the cooperation of the abductee, appearing in such forms as Jesus, the Pope, certain celebrities, and even the dead spouses of the abductees. 

* Aliens perform extremely painful experiments or procedures on abductees, saying that these acts are necessary but give no explanation why.....Painful genital and anal probes are performed, on children as well as adults. 

* Aliens make predictions of an imminent period of global chaos and destruction. They say that a certain number of humans...will be "rescued" from the planet in order to continue the species, either on another planet or back on earth after the destruction is over. Many abductees report they don't believe their alien captors and foresee instead a much more sinister use of the "rescued" humans. 

"In every instance from this list, there are multiple reports from unrelated cases, confirming that such bizzarre details are not the product of a single deranged mind. These details are convincing evidence that, contrary to the claims of many UFO researchers, the abduction experience isn't limited to uniform pattern of events. This phenomenon simply can't be explained in terms of cross-breeding experiments or scientific research into the human physiology....... Before we allow ourselves to believe in the benevolence of the alien interaction , we should ask, do enlightened beings need to use the cover of night to perform good deeds? Do they need to paralyze us and render us helpless to resist? Do angels need to steal our fetuses? Do they need to manipulate our children's genitals and probe our rectums? Are fear, pain, and deception consistent with high spiritual motives?" ......Dr. Karla Turner.

We have to admire God's creativity.  Custom made experiences for getting our attention. 

I don't think you're wrong, Done.

Thank you Done !  Our Dove is correct.    Many times when I talk to Him, I'm working out in the fields and quite often a wind will roll across me out of nowhere during my conversation with Him.This delights me when it happens because, haha ,I know what it is  !!  I think we are just acutely sensitive to His answers/responses.  Some others who may not look for answers , will not see... nor feel , what we do.

No worries, Done,  no fear 

Romans 10:8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); 9 BECAUSE, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.


Romans 8:29-30  29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

A friend of mine wrote this for a thread I have on another forum and I agree with him 100%. Thought I would post it for those here to read.

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"Walk as children of light (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth), finding out what is acceptable to the Lord. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them." Eph 5:8-11

The above defines why I focus as much as I do on paranormal phenomenon in research, and why I believe more "true" faithful of God should do the same. 

1. Finding out what is acceptable to the Lord.

2. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.

Notice - to all those Christians who scorn anyone who "gets involved" with the topic of the paranormal. It does not suggest we "avoid them"...Ephesians recommends we "expose them." Those who use the bible to warn other Christians away from this subject matter conveniently overlook important passages like this. Jesus himself was said to have "cast out demons" with his own hands. He didn't go running in the other direction at the sight of a demonic presence.

This one is also an inspiration:

"Be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand." Ephesians 6:10-12

Preparing is obviously an important first step, but too many forget the second, very, very inspiring statement:

"...and having done all, to stand."

Making that stand is one of the most difficult things to do, especially in an area where the majority of folks are not of the same beliefs - most follow various occult practices instead. We are a minority in these dark places. But that is simply the way of the world...Christians flock to the churches every Sunday and ignore the war going on outside those doors throughout the world. Those who oppose these deceptive forces face not only those forces, but also the majority who believe in the deception of those forces. This is the difficult battlefield we face, virtually alone.

On the other hand, it's not like Jesus went looking for them.  And those He ran into knew immediately who He was and the Power and Authority He had over them.
And that's exactly what I want to have happen if I have an encounter.  If the Father and Jesus Abide,
they will dispatch of them as they Will.  
I, on the other hand, would not attempt anything in my own power, accept calling on Jesus in any time of trouble.
And I'm SURE not into conjuring up demons, spirits, or 'aliens' for any reason, and least of all to do battle with them.   It is sufficient to be aware, and not give them any cause, or any place.
And, I respect my angels, who do a super job of carrying out the Father's Promise to keep me sheltered and protected under His Wing.

In other words, I can be knowledgeable about evil without feeding it any life energy.  Dead is dead. That's the way I see it.  
And I have thought out over long periods how I feel about these various subjects...
That happens when you're as old as I am.  LOL.
And not to be a 'wise guy', but the more we move into the realm of the Spirit,
the more we need a game plan already in place. 
When I flubbed up the verse on the Straight and Narrow, I'll tell you, I found the Path of Spirit got more and more narrow with every step.

Dove.....You seem to misunderstand a lot of post at least that's how I view your responces. It's all about knowing the enemy as well as we can. Exposing the enemy by shining The Light into dark areas so hopefully others may finally see them for what they are. We are to stand strong in The Lord and never run for the caves to hide.  If we as believers only sit back and do nothing then we are a very poor fruit.

Some try to please everyone and that's not me. I stand firm in my beliefs and don't believe in only a feel good message. We can't satisfy everyone,if we do we lose the truth.

This reminds me  of the rotten apple in a basket full of good apples. Every good apple that comes in contact with the rotten apple will soon be stained and rot. All the apples in the basket are in fact touching one another and will soon be destroyed by the beginning works of "One Bad Apple". The rotten apple must be exposed by the light in order to see it's true nature and remove it from the good apples. If the rotten apple remains hidden in darkness among the good apples they all will find corruption.

This is the reason we are to remain awake (Not Sleeping) in our minds and not let (Messengers) of a false light slip in an open door or window and slide in next to us. 

They will corrupt,they will deceive,by the nature of a false doctrine. Soon your Temple,your House would slide off strong foundation and crumble in pieces.

I want this to be a thread about all parts of the subject matter of the spirit world. What good is having a thread on this subject matter if you can't touch it in all areas? I'm here to share not only what I believe on this subject but enjoy other views that are of a spiritual nature. 

I love hearing other views on this subject matter and have learned much from them. In my opinion,and I'm being totally honest it's very difficult to respond to a nonbeliever on the subject of Angels,Demons and the Spirit World without it turning into a competition. I'm not here to flex my spiritual muscles and attempt to make someone look bad.

I've learned one thing in this life and that's the fact that I can't force someone's feet into my shoes. Even when my shoes appear a perfect fit for someone,"Does that mean the style,color or comfort is a perfect fit for them?"

Dove......This was a friends post......."But I do agree with him." He and I do not always agree that's for sure. He is a "Huge" skeptic about all the paranormal phenomenon........"So am I." This is why both of us have done a lot of research on these topics. 

If you really do good research you must learn to go in some areas that are not sugar and spice and everything nice. You must wear the full armor of God or just stay away. After many years looking into Ufo's and Alien encounters I still remain very skeptical that any of it comes from off planet cultures. But am I 100% sure........"No I"m not."

Now the spirit world is all together a different story. The Bible is full of the spirit world. Most people see the whole spirit world as not much more than entertainment. Movies,Books and TV and that's about it. 

I most certainly never go looking to seek out communication with any type of entity. 

The only time I communicate with the spirit realm is in praying to The Father.



Just because I have or will post links and material on certain areas of this subject matter does not mean I agree with some or all of it. I post it because it adds something that interest me or may interest others reading. I don't claim to have all the answers and never will.

The panel discusses whether abductions have been increasing or decreasing. I will post only a small snipet of the article so click the link if it interest you.

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The Frequency and Scale of Abductions

http://www.jar-magazine.com/ask-the-panel/105-the-frequency-and-scale-of-abductions


I posed the question to some other researchers, and their views largely diverged. Most seemed to think that they had either decreased or remained the same over time.


I also presented the question to the members of our panel, and they came with some revealing insights. A first is that we have to make a distinction between the number of abductees and the number of incidents. It is perfectly possible that with each generation the overall number of all abductees increases, while the number of incidents remains stable: instead of the parents being abducted, it is now their offspring.

https://twitter.com/tomdelonge/status/1162878237644472320?s=21

michael371 wrote:

https://twitter.com/tomdelonge/status/1162878237644472320?s=21

Everybody is now on twitter with one line comments......."I hate them."

Michael....I've noticed you have pretty much stopped posting......"Have you been sick or just too busy?"

Great link, Mike.  I've been watching all these programs, whatever, whenever one is available.  I even suffer through Ancient Aliens sometimes,  as much as I can stomach it, just to see what they have for 'evidence'. (and I've been here for all the studies we've done into paganism, the fallen ones, etc.) 


I'm starting to think  'are they real' is not the right question to ask.  (And I too once saw something that didn't jive with our reality, that did sky maneuvers that nothing we know of can do even today.  And that was 55 years ago.)


I learned the 'alien agenda' was part of the endtimes plan probably 10 years ago (seems like forever), and is a part of the published "AGENDA 21" documents (???)
I'm working on locating it.


That tells us tons...if it's part of their elimination of and take over of the people/planet, then it's NOT good for us, ever!
BUT, this was their final card-their trump card.  So, we're getting close to the end.
YAY.


I think most everything we think we know about it has been ENGINEERED, including how it's been interjected into mass consciousness, and including the programs we're seeing again today-which are presented as 'reality'.
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We also know that we will see the 'war in the heavens'.  That's the other side of the coin. (natural/super natural). 


But as I DO NOT think any of it is GOOD for us,  and DO think it's a satanic plan,
WHAT are we going to do about it?


The verses that came to mind were:


Matt. 16:19  I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”  
And
Matt: 18:8 “Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.


19 “Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”
I need to dig into those verses (the 18's) for deeper understanding/meaning/application.

Busy, tired mentally & physically and typing is painful for me....i'm here, just not able to give much....ya'll are doing fine....i'll be back, but i work in the garden in the morning and when i come in and cool down, i just want to listen and read....i was on 7 forums, but i am cutting down to here and the bayougardener now....i tried the windows voice thing and it was as error prone as joe biden...

i will post links and bits until the garden stops and its close to that now....don't give up on me quite yet

Biden!  

Jem will jump all over this because it backs up every thing that she has said...its a long read, but full of facts and just enough speculation to keep you reading
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1036439681783586816.html

michael371 wrote:

Jem will jump all over this because it backs up every thing that she has said...its a long read, but full of facts and just enough speculation to keep you reading

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1036439681783586816.html

Not only Jem. I've been glued solid to it for the past hour (that includes watching a few YT embeds inside that took up about 20 minutes or so) and I'm now about half way through it all. Time to take a take a coffee break before diving into the second half.

researcher wrote:

michael371 wrote:

Jem will jump all over this because it backs up every thing that she has said...its a long read, but full of facts and just enough speculation to keep you reading

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1036439681783586816.html

Not only Jem. I've been glued solid to it for the past hour (that includes watching a few YT embeds inside that took up about 20 minutes or so) and I'm now about half way through it all. Time to take a take a coffee break before diving into the second half.

ME TOO  !

Michael371 is getting some GREEN for this. It’s kept me busy for hours all morning long through two pots of coffee.
 
For those who are digging hard on Mikes topic, YouTube has removed some videos since that threadreader appeared (surprised?) but I found exact duplicates. The removed videos are almost at the end of the threadreader page.
 
@190 in threadreader: Venice video Lydon LaRouche Black Guelph Evil Nobility
 
https://youtu.be/PvnNYA7TYr8  AND/OR  https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3067as


AND  Webster Tarpley The Venetian conspiracy video
 
https://youtu.be/FEfX-Pmrr94  


AND/OR longer version  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGtUAU_VkKM

Also thanks to researcher for finding the  missing  pieces.  I'm attempting to download now  and will see if I can get them... My computer hasn't been very cooperative lately though.  edit:  Got them... Long  version  finally too but had to restart realplayer after 4 attempts. Shewww weee.

i cut my teeth on webster tarpley and dr. stan monteith decades ago....for those that are not familiar with dr, stan, i suggest that you look up some of his lectures....the man was way ahead of his time and would be front and center with all of this if he was still alive

jordan maxwell....i endorse this man for evrything but the gospel. just slide right on by when he talks about Jesus and the gospel, BUT listen to everthing else....i learned a bunch from this guy about "things"

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL41351D100124A010