The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation

Deuteronomy 34:5-6

So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.

And He buried him in the valley in the land of Moab, opposite Beth-peor; but no man knows his burial place to this day.

We read in Jude that the devil for some reason was disputing with The Archangel Michael about Moses body. The reason behind the dispute is not written about in scripture. All we do know is that Satan lost the confrontation. Many people speculate on the subject, but that's all it is. The LORD doesn't always explain the mysteries.

Jude 1:9........" But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you.”

Origen claims that the Letter of Jude picked up the story of Michael and the devil arguing over the body of Moses from a Jewish text called the Ascension of Moses.


The text of this book, also known as the Assumption of Moses or Ascension of Moses, has been lost to time and no manuscripts of it remain. However, Origen of Alexandria commented on it in Book III, Chapter 2 of De principiis stating:

We have now to notice, agreeably to the statements of Scripture, how the opposing powers, or the devil himself, contends with the human race, inciting and instigating men to sin. And in the first place, in the book of Genesis, the serpent is described as having seduced Eve; regarding whom, in the work entitled The Ascension of Moses (a little treatise, of which the Apostle Jude makes mention in his Epistle), the archangel Michael, when disputing with the devil regarding the body of Moses, says that the serpent, being inspired by the devil, was the cause of Adam and Eve's transgression.

Some more interesting thoughts on the subject.

Joshua accompanied Moses up Mount Nebo, where God showed Moses the land of promise. Moses then sent Joshua back to the people to inform them of Moses' death, and Moses died. God sent the archangel Michael to remove the body of Moses to another place and bury it there, but Samma'el, the devil, opposed him, disputing Moses' right to honorable burial. The text may also have said that he wished to take the body to the people for them to make it an object of worship. Michael and the devil therefore engaged in a dispute over the body. The devil brought against Moses a charge of murder, because he smote the Egyptian and hid his body in the sand. But this accusation was no better than slander (βλασφημία) against Moses, and Michael not tolerating this slander, said to the devil, "May the Lord rebuke you, devil!" At that the devil took flight, and Michael removed the body to the place commanded by God, where he buried it with his own hands. Thus no one saw the burial of Moses.

The Bible refers to these two witnesses as......the two olive trees and the two lampstands.

Revelation 11:4........"These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth."

Nowhere does the Bible identify these two witnesses by name, although people through the years have speculated who they are.

Once again The LORD can be very cryptic. There is always a reason I believe for this. Many times I believe it's for us....."To seek and find." I also believe the reason for being cryptic is that it's not for everyone to know who they really are.

A very key point to remember is that at the end of their ministry, when they have said all they need to say, The Beast that ascends out of The Abyss will have them killed and the wicked world will rejoice......"And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another;........Sounds like a holiday we know of, doesn't it?"

Zechariah 4:14........"Then he said, “These are the two anointed ones who stand by the Lord of the whole earth.”

The LORD'S power to sustain his work is flowing through two individuals set apart for the task. They have been chosen to fulfill The Will of God.

Remember how the people said some say John the Baptizer was Elijah, and Jesus said he could
have been if they had recognized Him for who He was.

So, it could be that the 2 witnesses come in the spirit of, and/or representing the role of Elijah
and _____.

I know there are alot of studies done as to what the olive trees and lampstands represent. 
But none come to mind at the moment.  

Dove wrote:

So, it could be that the 2 witnesses come in the spirit of, and/or representing the role of Elijah
and _____.

 I agree with what you've written Dove, for me after reading many different ideas and speculations it just for me hits home.

Moses and Elijah best identify with the Two Lampstands in my opinion. These two witnesses I can see coming in the spirit of Moses and Elijah and will bring truth in the last days. The wonders they have the authority to do most certainly match well with those of both Moses and Elijah.

The lampstands are full of olive oil (Olive Oil is used to anoint those of God...The very Spirit of God) and give "Light". We know from Revelation that "The World" will hate them. During their ministry this is a "Dark, Dark" World.

Through the years I've come to the point of understanding God is much different than we humans can comprehend. We will need a complete renewing of our minds.

It really comes down to our life long influences of this world. There are things so cemented into our minds that it will take a jackhammer to break them apart.

Here below is a verse in Romans that shines a great light and speaks volumes.

Romans 12:2........"And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect."

Matthew 24:4-5......."And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you."......."For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many."

The Apostle Paul echoed the Lord's warning when he spoke these words from Acts Chapter 20. 

Acts 20:28-31


Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.


For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.


Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.


Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

These wolves claim to represent The Word of God (Jesus Christ) but they do not. If you don't watch closely you will never see or hear the wolves hiding under the outward appearance they wear. When Paul says "Take Heed" he is crying out a warning......."Therefore Watch." 

These wolves in sheep clothing that claim to represent The Truth (Jesus Christ) will spread out into the whole earth and cause a great famine of The True Word of God. I believe Paul's warning is that of the first seal broken, The White Horse rider leads and the other Three Horse riders will follow.

I just saw this post:

"Progression is a constant presence, forever within our sight."   

I'm getting ready to cut the cord tomorrow and go fully streaming. Cable is just too high and getting higher year after year. There are so many different options that were not there a few years ago. If you don't get a super, super good promotion from Comcast/Xfinity you are highly overpaying. I've been on cable for a very long time but times are changing fast. They are no longer competing and are being left behind. Their days of being a monopoly are gone. 

There are areas right now that don't have as many options. I have put off for a couple years making a move. I decided about three weeks ago to go with Google Fiber. Hard to beat their price of $70.00 a month for one gig and no data caps.

Good move Scars.  We  used to not have web choices where we live- out in the country-- but several years ago, DSL  was put down along side of us and I dropped DirectTV like a hot potato.  I use the DSL thru my bil's  DSL connection,  Since I have a Roku smart  tv,  I mainly watch "our research kind of stuff" on it thru Utube and then  Rumble on my computer..  I did subscribe to Philo  and Pureflix   but still much much better than DTV. Dialup was terrible though.. dark ages almost..

Got everything hooked up and as of right now is running very good. I've had three different techs....Two yesterday and one this morning. They were all very friendly and didn't appear to get aggravated with me asking a lot of questions.

Bordercollie........I see you have DSL for internet. I've been reading and listening about the soon death of copper lines. I know some of the providers are very soon going to completely shut them down. I've heard some in 2024 and 2025. I know for sure AT&T will be one of them. I have no idea what your options would be for home internet in your area. I would think there would be some 5G Home Internet options. I think their pricing would be pretty close to DSL, and speeds would be as good or better. I have read that Verizon gets some good ratings.

Thank you for that information Scars  . We had no idea.. There is  a tall Verizon tower visible   from here though and the cell phones  we use are Verizon also.   It's funny because  the tower has the buried DSL lines going to it.  It was just a few years ago that   they put this DSL line down- we were sure glad after dealing with Hughes net .
 I gotta have my  research on the Bible and  the internet helps me  with that.  I also sleep with my favorite U tube  videos on- 99.9%  are on the Bible   such as David Suchet reading "word for word" and  conservative pastors like Mike's favorite ,Charles Lawson..

The Adversary/Satan isn't going to come forward and shake your hand and say, "nice to meet you"....."I'm the bad guy."

Satan isn't going to tack a sign up in front of a building or meeting place and get many to enter if he spells out on the sign......."The Church of Satan". . As the old saying goes......"You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar".

Wearing a mask to hide his, as well as their true nature is the game being played. He has many followers wearing mask. There are two sides.......Everybody lines up on one side or the other.  If we for one second believe we can stay on the sidelines, this is deception.

There are and will be people on this earth who know The Truth. They do and will know the mask that is being worn.

In the light of world events and as we discuss the subject of prophecy, I thought this article from a few years ago interesting. All I needed to do is highlight the below text of hers and all of us should see she has received her message from a deceptive entity. Dark forces are using her to push an agenda for them.

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A growing number of well-known evangelical leaders today are teaching thousands of people that the world has a serious problem. The problem they describe is not what you might expect to hear, especially from evangelical leaders. They believe that those who claim Jesus is coming back soon and that the Earth will face a horrible Armageddon or judgment are actually the cause of the world's major problems and are prohibiting a time of great renewal from taking place. Talk of biblical end-time prophecy is considered by these men to be unnecessary and downright dangerous. Tony Campolo in his recent book, Speaking My Mind suggests that these types of end-time thinkers are even the cause of wars. He says, "Their doctrines are a major factor in determining a far-ranging set of consequences that include American policies regarding militarism, the emergence of evangelical Zionism, attitudes toward Palestinians and the role of American geopolitics." (p. 207) He later says their "impact on geopolitics can only lead to war." (p. 215).


Rick Warren suggests that Jesus doesn't want us to even think about prophecy or His return. Warren tells us that it is none of our business. He tells us that thinking about Jesus' return is a ploy by Satan to get us distracted. (PDL, pp. 285, 286)


Richard Abanes, author and speaker, in his book End-Time Visions: The Road to Armageddon, criticizes many Christians who believe we should discuss prophecy and that there is indeed a coming Armageddon. He puts solid, Bible-based Christian leaders in the same category as cult leaders such as David Koresh, who led his group to an untimely end.


Are these evangelicals the first ones to hate the idea of Armageddon and the disaster that is coming to the world before Christ returns? In the book, Reinventing Jesus Christ, he quotes Barbara Marx Hubbard who says that those who believe in an Armageddon are self-centered people who if not stopped will actually cause a self-fulfilling prophecy to take place - the destruction of the world.


Marx Hubbard tells us of a global peace plan and she calls it an "Armageddon alternative." This alternative can actually save the world from Armageddon, she says, but only if enough people believe it and only if the world can be rid of these self-centered doomsdayers. "The species known as self-centered humanity will become extinct. The species known as whole-centered humanity will evolve.... Those who choose this version of the future will be there. Those who do not choose it will not be there." Marx Hubbard's own book of "Revelation" describes a message she received from the "Christ": "You are to prepare the way for the alternative to Armageddon, which is the Planetary Pentecost, the great Instant of Co-operation which can transform enough, en masse, to avoid the necessity of the seventh seal being broken." She continues: "Tell them to recognize the God within themselves, and to follow that light through the darkness of tribulations to the dawn of the Universal Age, when only the God-conscious continue to exist, and everyone is like Christ . Those with the seal of the living God on their foreheads will be with Christ at the time of the Transformation. I cannot 'return' until enough of you are attracted and linked."


According to Marx Hubbard it is these self-centered believers that are standing in the way. And yet in the book of Revelation, in the last chapter, Jesus says not once but three times, "I am coming quickly," while John in the same chapter tells us not to seal the words of the prophecy because the time is at hand." In Reinventing Jesus Christ, he quotes Alice Bailey who was "told by her spirit guide over fifty years ago that the 'Forces of Darkness' would oppose the 'new gospel' and the 'New Age.' Is this new gospel and Transformation one and the same as Brian McLaren's New Kind of Christian and Emerging Church? Is it the same as Rick Warren's spiritual awakening and global Transformation? With so many similarities, one can only surmise that they may indeed be so. And if that is the case, will there be a growing hostility and anger towards those of us who say, Maranatha, come quickly Lord Jesus? (I Corinthians 16:22) Yikes!

The breaking of the seventh seal must take place in order for prophecy to be fulfilled to the letter. If prophecy fails for not only the seventh seal to be broken by Jesus Christ, but any of the first six then Jesus Christ will never return and set up his kingdom on this earth.

Revelation 8:1-2


And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.


And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.


Without the breaking of the seventh seal there would never be a seventh trumpet. Without the seventh trumpet, read below in scripture what would not take place.

Revelation 10:7......."But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."


Revelation 11:15......."And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

On many occasions in scripture you will find where The LORD has told his people......"If you do this, a blessing/blessings will occur, but if you do not, then a judgment/judgments will occur."

You can not find any such thing within the prophecy of the seven seals, the seven trumpets, and the seven vials. These do not change........."They are judgments that will take place."

Revelation 1:1-3


The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:


Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.


Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

There is a blessing for God's servants who read, hear the words of prophecy, and keep those things that are written within The Revelation. All of the prophecy must come to pass. No where does it say we can prevent or stop the prophecies from occurring. Anyone who is telling us we can, are attempting to deceive. They are attempting to add and take away from this Revelation of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 22:18-19


For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:


And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

And once again a blessing attached to this Revelation to those that "Keep" the sayings of the prophecy.

Revelation 22:7


Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.



Jesus Christ came to fulfill prophecy and will one day return to fulfill prophecy once again.

On the second post up.  I hope I don't upset you Scarz. Your words do lead me.
To me I'm still at least somewhat on topic.    

The unseen 'stuff' that makes up everything manifested, in all realms,  is THINKING NON-STUFF.

No created being can outthink God:  No scientist, philosopher, preacher, holy man, computer, angel, demon, etc.

We'd melt!  haha.  Flesh cannot inherit the Kingdom ! 

All of those learned disciplines might bring us a little closer to understanding the Nature of God, but without wisdom, the gift that God said He would gladly bestow to all who asked,  mankind continually thinks too highly of themselves.  With wisdom, we know that. 

Knowing the world at enmity with God is a different thing.  Preparing the Way for the King is a different thing. And even with that, God said we judge the 'works', -the Fruit-to know of what spirit they are.  But we do not judge their soul, as only He can look on the innermost heart.  

Even Jesus said to Israel, If you believed Moses, you would know who I AM.
And they struggled with just 10 Commandments. So He brought it down to two!
LOVE God with all your heart, mind and soul, and
LOVE your neighbor as yourself. (not just our family in Christ).

And they lost their mandate and their scepter and it was given to those who Believe and walk by Faith.
And they were moved from First to Last. 
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I won't go on with that.  So many preachers are delusional, or compromised.
But there is one ministry that rises above the others, I think.  And that's the Daystar Network,
specifically the Joni Lamb program. (I think it's called 'Table Talk") They brought on the doctors we follow to lead the people both Biblically and practically through the co-vid attack and the vaxx!  That's huge on a world wide network!

They bring on ministers who teach the end times from a right now perspective, including the WEF/WHO, and DS.  And both they and TBS-the Trinity Broadcasting System, have added news programs.  
I haven't listened enough to analyze them well, but I heard TBS's news show endorse Ukraine.
hmmm.  They are much more left leaning, perhaps hugely so.  I just haven't had the stomach to pay  that much attention.
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I won't try to come from the order of events, but assuredly DIFFICULT TIMES are
just ahead.  And If we have not Love, Unconditionally, we have nothing.  

I'm not here to place judgement on anyone, but we as believers and followers of Jesus Christ are to pull back the curtain and expose the darkness.

Ephesians 5:11........"Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them."


John 3:20........"For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed."

I don't judge, that is not my job........"But I do use discernment."

Are we not to look for a wolf in sheep's clothing?......Are we to warn if we spot one or just remain silent and keep it to ourselves?

Are we not suppose to speak out and warn someone we love that they need to wake up?

Are we not suppose to test the spirits?........If we test them and find they are bad fruit, then what?

1 John 4:1......."Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."

If we see a love one has stepped into a vipers den, are we judging them if we attempt to guide them away from the poison that is being inflicted or is about to inflict their lives?......... How am I showing I have love for them and doing the will of The LORD if I remain silent?

I may tick them off big time, but I had rather tick them off as to remain silent. They may accuse me of judging them but that's part of it.

Scripture teaches us to stay clear of certain environments, as well as individuals that produce, or will produce bad or evil fruit. How are we suppose to come to understand what is or isn't bad or evil fruit without practicing discernment?

What kind of a watchman would someone be if looking outward from the tower they saw the enemy gathering and did not sound the alarm?

The Devil candy coats his poison. The Devil is a master at mixing lies with the truth, and the things that most appeal to our senses. 

Most religions and faiths have things that are incredibly attractive and appealing. The Devil Satan is perfectly happy to allow many godly elements into the religions and faiths in exchange for the absence of a true relationship with "The" Lord Jesus Christ.

"The" Lord Jesus Christ is not merely another good man, prophet, or just one in many gods, rather He is “The Way and The Truth and The Life.”

Not only does Antichrist mean “against Christ,” it also means instead of Christ....... "A Substitute."

We are suppose to love, but love does not mean bowing down to other gods or embracing false doctrines.

Think about it........"The salt losses its flavor."

There are a lot of people that embrace a tutti fruity system that attempts to appeal to everyone.

False doctrine will spread out into the whole world and cause a great famine of the true Word of The LORD. 

Amos 8:11-13


Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:


And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.


In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst.

No tutti fruitie for me!     The lack of understanding really hurts my heart every time.
I know what they're looking for, in all the wrong places. 
And when they attack God and the Bible ?!?  Well..I can't even let myself speak from my first reaction to that.

And it's a fact that they often prosper in this life and even 'have a form of godliness' that then attracts others . Sigh.  And it's growing every single day.  The internet is becoming saturated with it.

You'd think that at some point their self will and 'leaning on their own understanding' will fail them in  a big way as we go through these ever intensifying birth pains bringing death and despair. 
But still there are too many, Christians too, who are not aware of the depths of evil that have been revealed. 

AND they blame God (the God of the Bible).  And they blame His followers. They are encouraging persecution.  Do they realize that?  Do they know what they are doing?  MANY DO !
That same spirit enticed the people to kill the prophets, the apostles, the saints..the SON. 
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Still, my job is not to convict anyone of sin.  That's the job of the Holy Spirit.
My job is that they hear the Word of God.  As much as the world wants to silence
us, I believe they are giving us a great opportunity to be heard.
"As He is, so are we in this world".  
Walk in His Image and Likeness.  Always 'In Love" to all who were Created and Given Life by God the Father. 
   

Scars and Dove, Ya'll are on a roll today !!  No tuti fruiti  for me neither !  I believe we , as real believers, are in a smaller minority  every day . 
   I guess the word that I'm searching for is devotion.. Are  real Christians generally devoted to  Lord ,or, are we intensely  devoted and strong enough to stay away from  things that could corrupt us...   I've done that with tv programs. I see the subtle grabs for what they are now.   I still fight everyday to stay strong  in this  world  though and it is a battle.   It will sneak up and subdue a person so softly that they don't know what's happening and then it's like  stepping in a muddy ditch.  Ever noticed how even  bad language(cursing) is used to subdue a person. Those words just get stuck in a weak head and try to take root.  Yes. I called out a person that used the Lord's Name in vain and my bil looked over at me and said " He bumped his leg on that sharp metal."  I was so angry that I let him have it. ..Some  people don't realize the significance of what they say. Now he's on the know that that is serious stuff to say. Now he is warned..  . 
 I have my own  little wars too  and will continue to fight  my inner battles so that I can always and always remain Devoted  with a capital D.  That Joy that awaits us Devoted ones  is ,after all  said and done, is the one thing to look forward to .

I still believe in......."after his kind, after her kind, after their kind, thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed."

1 Corinthians 15:39-40


All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.


There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.


celestial bodies......Heavenly Bodies

bodies terrestrial.......Bodies Earthly

Only sticking to The Bible it's clear to me, that we humans are to remain in a sexual or genetic union with our kind.

I also see it very clearly that if there are Aliens, ET's, UT's, Watchers, or any other beings from other worlds or realms then they are of a different kind, a different flesh, a different body and are "Not to mix" sexually or genetically with humans, animals, birds, reptiles, fish or all the creatures of earth.

I believe the day will come when mixing with strange flesh will be the "IN" thing to do. It will be taught that through mixing enhancements it will bring you even closer to your spiritual side. You will become closer to God and will in fact be more like God.

The Adversary has been working non stop in an attempt to draw as many as he can......."Any way he can." The Adversary and his host never take a break. They have been at this for thousands of years. A few set backs only move them to work harder. They adjust when a roadblock is placed in front of them. They learn and divert, learn and divert, but their goal never changes.

I believe that what once was will be again. I believe that mankind had become corrupt with their interactions with the Sons of God (Watchers) not only spiritually and technologically but also sexually and genetically. I also believe this genetic corruption had spread among creatures on this earth.

Agreed about the seed for sure.   Funny because that's the answer to 'the God of the Bible is a god of war".  Simple when we see the whole story.  I only have to say the point and you can fit it right in to the whole.  Not so for someone who knows zip.

And who was it who disobeyed God and took the cattle, etc. when God said demolish it ALL?
There's always somebody who thinks they know better.
And thanks to that and others, here we are.
YET!  God was not defeated!  But talk about patience!  We should be on our faces over His Mercy
and LONG suffering with man.  God doesn't quit.
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The other thing that came to mind was about taking the Gospel to the unbelievers
is the statement: WITH SIGNS AND WONDERS FOLLOWING.
They 'follow' THE SPOKEN WORD. and: THEY ARE AN EXPRESSION OF WHO HE IS.
The Living Word, the Presence of God with us. 

And recalling the Q movement.  "You can't just tell the people.  You have to show them."

That applies to the Goodness of God as well as exposing the evil of the world.

You know I could write at least a small book on the signs and wonders that I've lived in?
Not because of who I am, but of who He is when He stands up and lives His Life
through any of us.  It's already in HIS Book.     
I count for nothing.  When the Spirit stands up, we must surrender, step back, SO THAT HE can accomplish His will.  And it's always about 'rescuing', about meeting someone WHERE THEY ARE, and meeting the need.

The 'conforming work' was not comfortable, to say the least, and the commitment needs to be as close to 100% as we can to subdue the flesh, put away the world and Seek within.  WE are the Temple and we have been invited in, Qualified by the Covenant of God sealed in the Blood of His Son, Jesus.
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Think of the Fruit of the Spirit.  All that comes through us should be born of that Fruit.

Perhaps today we will not feed the 5000.  But if anyone comes looking for food, we give it.
If they look for a coat, we give it.  If they need company on their walk, we give it.

The flesh knows lack, division, separation.
The Spirit knows Abundance, Unity.

TAKE NO THOUGHT!  for the Father knows you have need of these things.
He is the well that never runs dry!
Praise Him and be Thankful for His Promises in the Word.
Dare to be Positively Grounded in your Faith.

As they see the Fruit of our Countenance, they are comforted.  Do all good in Jesus Name, not our own.  If they ask, we are ready with the Answer.  Jesus is the Door, and all are invited to enter through Him. 
(Though there are people He does not come forward for. At least that's been my experience.) Maybe the timing was wrong, or the place.  It's certainly His decision.
though I could see too she was NOT ready. (oh dear...not pretty, but pretty sad to see  )

And if God should elect to perform a 'miracle' through or for any of us, let Him!
It's only a surprise to us.  He's just being Himself.  

And don't think that you're not 'there'. Just Let Go, Look to Him in Trust and Let Him.  

Oh, the timing...
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Be comforted. Regardless of how hard we try to awaken others, only God knows who is truly ready to awaken.
Trust the process, and above all, Trust Him.

The tainting of the seed is huge in my belief.  Saul really messed up when he disobeyed . 
" If not cut short, no flesh would be saved ..." . 
  As far as crops,  I can't speak of being against gmo plants without being ridiculed  here in farm country. So many people just don't see it like we do.. and some ,many of them in fact,  call themselves Christians and go to the building called a church most Sundays.   I think they really and truly have no understanding of the mingling of the seed and it's corruption. The writing is on the wall.. I see it as a gradual and slow process starting out with the crops and ever so quietly seeping into humankind and animals as well . The evil one has had this in play for a long time - but have heart because we are on the winning team and He loves us .

Dove is that a link? I can't get to it.  I see the picture of Jesus and a note about 8 min.? Thank you.

No, no link.    

It was a post from "Gods trojan horse" on Truth Social, and it was only 8 mins old when I found it
on my feed.

He wrote:

Be comforted. Regardless of how hard we try to awaken others, only God knows who is truly ready to awaken.
Trust the process, and above all, Trust Him.
And he posted the picture along with.


I thought it fit well as we were talking about witnessing. (and the sometimes frustrations we experience).  
All things in God's timing.   

Excellent !!  Thank you !!

One last thing tonite.  I wasn't yelling with the 'caps'.  They were just direct words from the Bible

that I wanted to emphasize as opposed to my own talking away.   

Dove wrote:

  Simple when we see the whole story. 

I would say most people really have no idea as you wrote Dove......."when we see the whole story."

The first mentioning of a seed war was directed straight to The Serpent by The LORD God........"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." (Genesis 3:15)


The last mentioning of the seed war........"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." (Revelation 12:17)


Remnant.....a small remaining quantity of something.

bordercollie wrote:

The tainting of the seed is huge in my belief.  Saul really messed up when he disobeyed . 
" If not cut short, no flesh would be saved ..." . 
  As far as crops,  I can't speak of being against gmo plants without being ridiculed  here in farm country. So many people just don't see it like we do.. and some ,many of them in fact,  call themselves Christians and go to the building called a church most Sundays.   I think they really and truly have no understanding of the mingling of the seed and it's corruption. The writing is on the wall.. I see it as a gradual and slow process starting out with the crops and ever so quietly seeping into humankind and animals as well . The evil one has had this in play for a long time - but have heart because we are on the winning team and He loves us .

I agree Bordercollie, we may think we have the answers, but we don't. We have no idea what causes a wide range of cancer and all kind of diseases.

I need to tweak that post above a little bit, but in the meantime..
Here's a quirky little video I just know   everyone wants to see.
Make note of the 'good stuff'  to do.
https://www.timeanddate.com/date/dateadded.html?m1=9&d1=16&y1=2023&type=add&ay=&am=&aw=&ad=06&rec=
to  
https://www.timeanddate.com/date/dateadded.html?m1=9&d1=16&y1=2023&type=add&ay=&am=&aw=&ad=13&rec=
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18XMEKLJPA8
Glad I got around to watching it..
Will there be more? Could be. idk.

We live not only in an ill nation but also a very sick world. The sickness goes much deeper than a virus. We can't worry what The World will do......."We just need to do what we know is God's will for each of us."

We can influence people by our actions. The problem is this World is a cancer of bad influencers. The bad guys of The World have become the good guys in so many peoples eyes. As the words of The Bible read......."Because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold." (Matt. 24:12)

I think of the words often that Jesus Christ spoke to Peter after Jesus ask him........"But who do you say that I am?”.........and Peter answered........"You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

Jesus said next........"Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 16:17)

Spirt reveals the spirit, our clay (flesh) does not. God The Father must draw us..........."No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day." (John 6:44)

This clay (flesh), this Old Adam will look and move the direction of the broad way. I believe God The Father must "Draw" us to the narrow way.

Man is lost in a vast wilderness (The World and the Things of The World) and without following the "drawing" voice of God The Father he will remain lost and the narrow way will not be found.

Matthew 7:13-14

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

A friend lay out a few of his thoughts on some topics I've brought up in the past. Thank you Steve for taking the time to let me read what you are thinking.

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Everything has it's place. God is very strict in this according to scripture in that He does not even allow the mixing of different kinds of flesh. We are prohibited from blending our human seed with that of Angels or their breed.


What is or transpires in Heaven stays in heaven unless God allows it.


Demons are (IMO) simply the spiritual remnants of unsanctioned hybrids whom were once alive. God makes it clear cut that he does not recognize their kind or creation and therefore are exempt from Heaven.


I believe being "one" means not one and the same person. But one and the same "likeness". Of the same mind. Of the same Heart.


If you have known Jesus then you have seen God's likeness. He is a spinning image of the Father. Only Jesus is both the Son, the likeness of his Father, and in the likeness of our kind.

I've been reading some of the late John Lear's material from a few years ago. His words about The Moon have fascinated me over the years. John wrote many things about earth's far side of the moon. Below are a few of his thoughts on the subject.

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The moon rotates on its axis once every 27 days. That makes the same hemisphere on the Moon visible to earth at any time. It also makes the opposite hemisphere of the moon invisible to Earth at all times.

Because the Moon orbits around the earth every 27 days that means each hemisphere, both the nearside and the far side each receive light from the sun for half of that time. So a day on the moon lasts about 13.5 earth days.

So as one of those days is occurring you see the near side slowly go from new moon, to quarter moon, to half moon, to three quarters moon to full moon and then back again. That makes segments of the hemisphere we see dark at various times.

But your never see the far side of the moon because the moon is in rotational lock.

The dark parts that you think are the "dark side" of the Moon are really just "dark parts" of the near side". as the moon revolves, in orbit around the earth.


When you say you can see the outline of the "Dark Side" of the moon what you mean is that you can see the outline of the far side. But you can never see the far side of the moon.


Also, just to clarify a point: there is no "Dark Side" of the moon. Each hemisphere of the moon, whether it be the nearside (the hemisphere of the moon that faces Earth), or the far side, which is the hemisphere of the Moon that faces deep outer space and which is not visible to us, each hemisphere gets just as much light as the other, though at different times of the month.


The "Dark Side" of the Moon is a popular myth fostered by those whose business it is to disinform the public about the true nature of the moon.

This was written by Rick, a friend. I must say, he really got my attention with what he had to say. Rick does not beat around the bush, he doesn't hold back what he believes. 

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All that is truly real is that which is without end, that which is eternal. Everything that is not eternal is not truly real. If something is not eternal, then it is temporal. And if it is temporal, then it is meaningless compared to that which is eternal = truly real. If it is temporal, it is but a vapor, an insignificant instant in time, here and gone. Virtually unmeasurable compared to the expanse of eternity. Therefore it is not truly real.


Evil does not actually exist. As it is a 'temporal' and therefore not truly real. It only exists in the realm of the "not truly real". And those who exist in this realm experience evil in this realm. And some employ horrendous evil in their actions. But all of it is not truly real, as all of it is fleeting. The NT/Bible teaches that even Hell & Hades will be cast in "the Lake of Fire", at the end of this realm. Yes, even Hell is not truly real. Our realm is the embodiment of sin. And it too, is not truly real.


Unfortunately the Churches (especially the Priesthood churches) have watered down, twisted and distorted the teachings of Jesus. And they elevated a Priesthood as an authority greater than G-d himself, such that they teach children that which is directly contradictory to the teaching of the one they call their Savior. Directly against the one they call "the Son of God". Consequently, only a small minority of each generation ever begins to understand the Heavenly Father & Christ. And those who become vocal about it, have mostly been shunned by society, excommunicated by family and friends. Or in earlier centuries, beheaded or burned at the stake, by church authority & blessing.


The Priestly church today is far worse than the Jewish Priests in the time of "Jesus". For today they have the scriptures, they have access to the teaching of Christ & the Apostles. But they listen not.


John of Patmos wrote about them at length in the book "Revelation". They are described in detail, so that anyone with common sense would know who he writes of. He predicted what this church would do, what it would become and why. And he said that the Spirit of Christ told him to write to them saying; "Come out of her my people!"


 It is a deception seed. From that foundation, more deception can be added. And as more distortion statements are built upon another, people will eventually be conned into believing that the Bible teaches that Peter was the first Pope. And that the Priesthood was Christ's idea. Which are both scripturally emphatically false. These concepts are a lie.


Christ abolished the Priesthood! That is an absolute.


Perhaps you have rather believed that the Priests picked up a Bible for you and told you what is in it, and you believe they must be teaching what it teaches. However you are mistaken.


There is no Priesthood in the New Testament. No Apostle taught of a Priesthood. The only teaching in the NT concerning Priests, is that every true believer in Christ, is a Priest. The Eastern & Western Priesthood churches officially deny the scripture's teachings on these matters.


I am not a prophet. Just a disciple of Christ, a red-letter man. Test everything I write about the scriptures, by the scriptures themselves.

Vapor........What does vapor mean in the Bible? The word in Hebrew is 'hebel' and means 'vapor, mist' emphasizing the idea of temporariness or 'meaningless' emphasizing the idea of futility.

James 4:14


Yet you do not know what your life will be like tomorrow. You are just a vapor that appears for a little while and then vanishes away.


2 Corinthians 4:16-18


Therefore we do not lose heart, but though our outer man is decaying, yet our inner man is being renewed day by day.


For momentary, light affliction is producing for us an eternal weight of glory far beyond all comparison,


while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen; for the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal.


Isaiah 65:17


For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.


I thought of these verses when reading what Rick had written.

I like how Rick laid out 'temporal and eternal'. 

When we step into the 'eternal now' we see the 'temporal' for what it is 
and we put it in it's rightful context.  
Not with contempt, as it is but a mirror,  but as a tool for learning
of God Without and God Within, and our place in the ALL of it. 

I don't know as I posted a thingie I wrote about Michelangelo's David.  
The sculptor, Creator, did not mold or change the marble medium.  (temporal)

He simply REMOVED everything that was not of the Perfected David 
and exposed the Masterpiece which was concealed therein. (eternal)

A friend Steve wrote this and I want to share it with those that visit this thread. We got into a very deep discussion with me asking him a question which involved Aliens/ET/UT/Sons of God/Angels and how he thinks it all comes together within what I call The Big Picture.

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I think the bible holds Truth. (capital T)

I don't think God made any "mistakes" when he transferred his words into human hands through prophets or caretakers of the Word before it became the Bible. I think the Word as it will be remembered in our future will have a number of contexts applied to it that will not be present in our time.

I also have faith that God knew ahead of time that His words and those of His messengers would eventually be repeated, re-edited, translated or maintained without changes to the original. I am supposing he made provisions for that so that the body of the "written word" would never be completely destroyed or diluted by the faiths that came later.

I assume (and have faith) that the written word will complete it's intended purpose and eventual mark in history that it was intended for.

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Having said all that, I do think God knows more about everything than even we think we do as a world.

God paints a long historical story of beings whom act independently and corrupt His original works. Lets call "them" higher order beings (Angels/Celestial Entities). The tale goes on to say that God and his entire kingdom (everything that we don't know about) is for the time being mysterious to us as mortal beings facing the conditions that we are facing today.

I believe that these Higher Order Beings from elsewhere or somewhere else did come to Earth and manifested corporeal forms. They mated with corporeal life and brought into existence life forms (hybrids) possessing both human and non-human qualities.

I believe these Higher Order Beings, have technology both of the physical types that we are familiar with and non-corporeal technology that we aren't very familiar with.

I also believe they interfere in God and His Plan to effectively change the course of events and...in effect...corrupt it in some way at different levels.

Higher Order life forms teaching or performing changes on Genetics, Our Mentality, Sharing Technological Knowledge, etc.

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Something which runs contrary (as far as I can tell) to the somewhat stated nature that God had outlined for our kind.

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I believe, that when the truth comes out, the living elements of this hidden history and those whom perpetuate negative changes will come floating to the surface and will destroy a major portion of humanity for their purpose. (The ones that oppose or live contrary to the plan of God)
I also believe that the majority, having been so corrupted on so many levels, will not accept the plan that God has laid out for our kind when it is proposed openly.

I figure it should stand so against the modern world and way, that to stomach it will be impossible unless some core changes occur prior to the revelation(s).

In effect, you are either ready, or you aren't by then. I believe that God's Plan will be good and sound, but unpalatable by everyone whom has soaked too long in the grease and grime that the world has become.

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I think that the Bible does not ignore the phenomena that a number of people in the population are a witness to. Both strictly paranormal and nuts and bolts.

I think the hierarchy that governs this opposing plan will one day come to light. I believe there will be more than one that comes in "it's name". "It's name" is probably the name of the Being whom is the highest in the hierarchy of resistance to God Ways and his Works.

"It" embodies everything that is found without and absent of God. It
The ones whom come in "it's name" will only plow the world flat to the ground until the world is ready to receive it['s mark], know it and ultimately agree with it.

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If God embodies Love, then "It" will embody what a Higher Order Entity lacks when it no longer has God by it's side.

I wouldn't be surprised if the second level of the Its' Hierarchy appeals to everyone in some way. And that is where the danger only begins.

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I have already heard some of lies and rumors that will allegedly be said (hearsay, claims, thorough warnings).

I don't even bother repeating alot of them. Because they sound so convincing and appeal in so many ways that I fear that even fellow Christians would be shaken if they heard some of the re-told arguments and sayings that I have been told Others will use in the future.

They weren't even told to me as to convince me of anything. But just listening to the contents of warnings about what will likely be said put a big notch of doubt inside me in it's own way. If you let it eat away at you, it'll burn a hole right through faith unless your already decided.


*Genuine Aliens* of the malevolent types (probably less than <1000 (666?) 

[Born or pre-existing origin elsewhere off world or inter-dimensionally, real ET or UT]

*Body Adapted Aliens*, mixed genetics of real alien genes and earthly genetics. Blends of local birds, animals, and insect life. Probably the first type and oldest type of hybrid husks.

*Refined human-alien hybrids*,

Subtype A, Engineered to replace human beings or supersede them eventually. Likely heavily diluted genetics. (Population probably less than 120k)

Subtype B, Engineered to create a local sustainable presence population, likely inhabited by multi-generational ETs. (Population I guesstimate probably 300k to 3 Million)

Subtype C, Engineered for non-terrestrial or inter-dimensional ET inhabitation or as encounter suits. (No idea how many they keep. Probably more than one for sure.)

*Replicated drones*, Artificially constructed intelligence with pre-defined programming at some level with really refined genetic bodies. (Multiples of millions)


All hear-say though.

A friend, Steve lay out some of his thoughts on the Watchers and Hybrids........"I will post it below". Thank you Steve for all you have to offer on any subject.

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There is a problem with modern society.

People assume that they will know evil when they see it. Or that they will recognize it's descendants if they saw it.

Well, lets take a short trip down a simple (surface) argument.

Lets say the watchers did intend to have hybrids on earth. Their descendants made of flesh got wiped out and they simply started it up again and again, and again.

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A hypothetical,

Lets say the flesh and bone hybrids descendants no longer live on the surface or at least not in easy to distinguish areas.

Lets also say that as flesh and blood being they require knowledge. Well their non-flesh and blood ancestors are very knowledgeable in most areas.

Lets say they evolve and inherit the knowledge of their non-flesh and blood predecessors. Lets say they make a society. A technological society.

They fly around to and fro in the sky and do whatever they need to, as a society.

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When the day comes for their flesh and blood descendants to come out of the woodwork, do you think they won't have rules, laws, governing principles like we do?

I postulate they probably will. There may be key differences between them and us. They will need to appear to be better than us so they can be welcomed into the rest of the earthly domain where they dare not walk.

A welcoming presence is ultimately necessary to achieve acceptance.

What humanity may see during the introduction is the "best side" of the development efforts that these flesh and blood beings have procured over the years. But they will likely never allow some of the internal struggles and issues they have dealt with to come to light.

Such as, when did they get their start....and how....from whom?

Of course to explain this, they need to most probably...lie. And one lie leads to another and another. Until eventually there is grand woodwork to explain all the improbabilities of their origin.

And...if you lie about one thing, why not lie about a lot of other things which you may not need to lie about?

Such as the origin of mankind?

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On the surface they may not be as bad as we are. Though look deeper and you'll see the hidden politics behind the facade.

Makes you wonder, if you were born as one of them, why would you perpetuate a lie of such a magnitude?

Therein lays some of the answers in this hypothetical scenario.

This "scenario " reminds me of the movie V .  In the latest of the series made around 2009,  "they came in peace" but are actually quite evil  . In the last episode before canceled, they  were after souls. Mike and I talked about it and how Hollywood seems to preview what may actually happen.

bordercollie wrote:

This "scenario " reminds me of the movie V .  In the latest of the series made around 2009,  "they came in peace" but are actually quite evil  . In the last episode before canceled, they  were after souls. Mike and I talked about it and how Hollywood seems to preview what may actually happen.

Steve has talked in depth about the ones he calls "The Others". I have posted some of his thoughts before. Steve has communicated with me on many occasions with great detail of what the population of earth will face......"As he thinks!". 

Timothy Alberino brings up many things that all add up to what Steve brought to my attention over 12 years ago. Steve just like Tim is a believer and follower of Jesus Christ. Neither one of them will hold back from saying what they think on a wide range of subjects, which include a full circle around the ones we refer to as ET, UT, Aliens, and Off Planet Cultures.

I'm just like both Tim and Steve, none of this material takes away from being a believer and follower of Jesus Christ. But the majority of people who occupy planet earth, are and will be a completely different story.

Something added from Steve. I believe he makes some good points once again.

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I have seen many Christians whom have faith (in a sense) but don't really believe. They consider the possibility, but do they believe it enough to alter their way of life in some meaningful way....well the statistics wouldn't be promising.


I noted over the course of my life that there is a difference between intellectual understanding, lukewarm faith, actual faith, and real belief.


Just because someone stands in a church does not mean they have turned anything over to God. These days it seems it is just a social function.


The part of the world I live in has seen a steady decrease in any form of indwelling of this brightness.


In other words, as time goes on, it is my belief that people are believing less and less. And the markers that represents negative entities of all kinds has steadily increased.


Flesh and blood people with standard flesh and blood cognition may not readily recognize it. But the flood of negative entities appears to be well under way.


There is a difference between what sin does inside a human being. And what happens when sin and negative entities converge.


Given enough time, (IMO) I do not see how things will correct themselves. Slowly the trappings of what I can only surmise is the rise of malevolent presences has shifted what used to be.


Call it paranoia....or simply an observation.


It's rare these days to come across an individual with that specific brightness that represents a connection to God or one of his Ministering Angels.


When someone appears to lose their faith and that connection, the brightness either disappears or grows very dim.



Whomever is manipulating humanity on a spiritual level, is doing it at a furious pace. In no time, the world will become one large scale Sodom and Gomorrah.


And you know how that ended....badly. Right now, from my point of view (and opinion), I am a witness to the decline of humanity. Gradually it is becoming increasingly clear that some other power is affecting the world.


What was across the board not okay 10 years ago has now become okay. 50 years ago, it was unthinkable.

Steve adds more to the conversation.

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Do you remember when you saw in the Bible that Jesus often remarks that people whom love or know God will know/recognize him? (legitimacy)

There is a possibility that believers share a brightness that comes with dealing with God or his Angels.

If Jesus were to come as a man again, without any strange lights and divine powers, just as a man. It is (in my mind) a reasonable assumption that when he does appear, those whom have ties with God would also have this marker embedded in their internals.

If they witnessed Jesus or God even in this day and age. I would not be at all surprised if that marker inside of them would resonate with the presence of it's maker.

It would likely cause a human being to recognize whatever form of God or Jesus was standing in, in front of them. In other words accepting it as legitimate recognition.

While those unfamiliar or not possessing the marker would not stir with any recognition. They would simply be confused or a reaction would be absent.

In other words, they would not recognize what was standing there in front of them and a myriad of other topics I won't go into right now.

(Such as folks in a crowd hearing thunder but no words, while others in the crowd heard both the thunder and the words.)

Steve wrote:

If Jesus were to come as a man again, without any strange lights and divine powers, just as a man. It is (in my mind) a reasonable assumption that when he does appear, those whom have ties with God would also have this marker embedded in their internals.

Yes!!!!........"The marker embedded in their internals I view as The Holy Spirit."

The Holy Spirit is a........"Teacher, a Guide, and a Comforter."..........This leads us to The Way, The Truth, The Life.

John 14:6........"Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.