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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Sat Aug 12, 2023 10:04 am
Another friend (Rick) entered the conversation and gave his thoughts on the subject.
I agree with everything ScaRZ has posted about "the Word". With all my heart, all my mind and all my soul. I only point out an "addendum". That being, there will be many who enter through the gates of Heaven, who only then will they learn who their mediator was.
"there is only one God and one mediator between God and man." (1 Timothy 2:5)
ScaRZ, you posted some verses back in the thread that reflect this addendum of mine.
Rev 20:12......." And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."
Rev 20:15......." And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
Notice the specificity of the words. They are not judged by their degree of faith in Jesus Christ.
This of course, because many will have lived and died without ever knowing of him. They will be judged according to the ~akashic record of their life. There are many who lived with the spark of God throughout their days - Like God's lights in the darkness. In every tribe, nation and creed, in every generation, God has spoken to man. Many of these people were shunned or secularized by their societies. And some societies embrace them, depending on the times and place. And no doubt Barbarian tribes, banished them from their midst. But none-the-less, God makes himself known to all men, great and small. These 'lights' will be found written in the Book of Life.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Sat Aug 12, 2023 10:35 am
Both Doug and Rick lay out some great thoughts on the subject. Rick brought up the verse in Revelation 20 when it mentions how these are judged......."According to their works". (Interesting!) I need to study this some more.
Rick mentions the Akashic records which are a compendium of all universal events, thoughts, words, emotions and intent ever to have occurred in the past, present, or future in terms of all entities and life forms, not just human.
Thanks to everyone's thoughts on this very interesting subject.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Sat Aug 12, 2023 10:49 am
"There is a way which seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death." (Prov.14:12)
"I am the way," "I am the truth" "I am the life"
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 14:6)
"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." (Acts 4:12)
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Sat Aug 12, 2023 1:48 pm
ScaRZ wrote:
Both Doug and Rick lay out some great thoughts on the subject. Rick brought up the verse in Revelation 20 when it mentions how these are judged......."According to their works". (Interesting!) I need to study this some more.
Me too Scars. This "works judgement" may solve the problem of those that have never known of Him but aren't evil ? I will be looking into this.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Sun Aug 13, 2023 5:31 am
A very important thing is the fact that not Judy, Doug, Rick or myself claim to understand it all. I see in all of us a drawing to study and learn as we continue to walk the path. There are no dead ends, it's an eternal journey. Dead ends are obstacles constructed and fortified by humans.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Sun Aug 13, 2023 6:57 am
Mike (A friend) enters the subject.
It is because man has/is allowing their personal iniquities to subvert the universal truth and make it their brand of truth.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Sun Aug 13, 2023 7:17 am
Many people have and continue many different paths "Without" The Word, The Light, The Lord Jesus Christ.
Matthew 7:13........"Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many."
There is no doubting the journeys believers walk vary. We all live in tribulations. Some of us it takes a much longer journey to reach "The Path". Staying on "The Path" is a battle day after day against the flesh and the devil. Jesus Christ nor any of his apostles ever said "The Path" was an easy path to walk. We are to believe, have faith, endure and keep moving forward.
Matthew 7:14........"For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Sun Aug 13, 2023 9:09 am
I could use more hours in the day. Nothing makes me happier than singing God's Praises and teaching the Simplicity of Christ, and I do that every day, elsewhere, at every opportunity.
But drive-by answers aren't right for these discussions, and it takes time to go back through scripture and justify an 'understanding', a 'point of view'. And my point of view is from a different perspective now than it once was, and as these discussions generally are, we know.
One thing I'm convinced of is someone could accept Jesus in the morning, and be standing in His Presence in the afternoon. Salvation comes that quickly, or the story of the thief on the Cross is not true.
'Today you will be together with Me in Paradise' refers to Abraham's bosom I think, as Jesus had not yet ascended. When He did, He brought all those souls with Him.
The way I read it, that is not the 1000 year sleep. I could tell you what I think that is, but can't prove it. Possibly this
As far as Abraham's bosom, many people who have had nde's, see angels, but not Jesus, describe classroom types of settings and teaching going on (in preparation for entrance into the Presence of God? I can't say for sure. )
To my memory 'works' is discussed twice: As for rewards for the Ascended-the Righteous, and at the end of the 1000 years at the Great White Throne Judgement.
If hell is reserved for satan and his minions, what happens to those raised for the Throne Judgement while they wait? They could be in zero point, the void, the 'nothingness'. No consciousness at all, so they wouldn't be aware of length of time. there is no time in eternity or zero point anyway.
I don't think we have any way of knowing.
...Unless, of course, it's us! heehee. Our souls here in the 3d classroom.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Mon Aug 14, 2023 9:37 am
The Adversary (Satan) wants mankind to believe (And many do) that he is the true gift giver (Giver of Knowledge). He is the light bearer, the giver of light, the giver of the forbidden knowledge.
Many people believe this to be true and are influenced by dark forces to spread it out into the earth.
This could turn out being a huge part of the final battle called Armageddon. The Adversary and his forces will need to use fear to sell to the kings and nations of the earth that an evil force is coming from somewhere out in the universe.
Will he sell it as Aliens coming to enslave all of us? I don't know the answer to that question, but I realize he must come up with something to interject total fear.
There is no doubting in my mind that The Lord will allow Satan to do this to fulfill The Will of God. The Lord is going to make sure their forces come into one place for swift judgment.
The Adversary (Satan) is a shining one and has great knowledge and uses it as a drawing influence. He drew one third of the stars of heaven to follow him and is constantly drawing mankind to believe a lie.
I believe he uses a bitter/bitterness/poison (Wormwood)...... Deception of a "False Word" as a counterfeit of The True Light of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ in scripture is "The Bright and Morning Star".
Revelation 22:16......."I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
Revelation 2:25........"But that which ye have already hold fast till I come."
Revelation 2:26........"And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:"
Revelation 2:27........"And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father."
Revelation 2:28........"And I will give him the morning star."
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Thu Aug 17, 2023 5:20 am
I watched this with Timothy Alberino the other day, it has some material that did hold my interest. I have read and watched several things on the Peru encounters, I don't know really what to think about it. All the videos are so blurry I have no idea what I'm looking at. The other material on the show was very interesting and was the reason I decided to watch it.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Thu Aug 17, 2023 11:19 am
EDIT. Read the next post please. ---------------------------------------------------------
We've had a 'flip' since the 25th of June. The implications are no small matter for the world.
And I'd very much like to hear your thoughts on the wrath of God in the endtimes.
I have some ideas I can share, or better I think I should hold in reserve and not have them interfere
with your ideas, understanding. I will when we get into a discussion unless you want me to say now.
The question is,
does God bring the Apocalypse by His own Hand, or
does he allow satan to do it.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Thu Aug 17, 2023 12:22 pm
Maybe we can't go here without angel activity. And they are the ones who do God's bidding. So maybe that answers the question I had.
What has been said from Q recently makes sense in terms of it's being a PICTURE of something familiar to us to describe coming events.
It makes sense in terms of the angel assignments in Revelation. So that could be the answer right there.
I won't go any deeper into Q at this point. Generally there's something there for anybody to relate to, and I get that, I think, as being essential at this moment in time, and the only way to kind of show what's happening without having to say what they can't say.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Fri Aug 18, 2023 9:18 am
Dove wrote:
The question is,
does God bring the Apocalypse by His own Hand, or
does he allow satan to do it.
I view it as without God allowing Satan to exist, he wouldn't. A prime example of this is why God doesn't eliminate Satan for good before The Millennium but rather allows him to exist as a prisoner in the Abyss (Bottomless Pit) for the full 1,000 years......."Why does God allow him to be released after the full 1,000 years are completed for A Little Season?"........Satan is allowed by God to deceive the nations of the earth once again. There is a purpose for all of this to play out as it does......."Which side of the fence does everyone stand.....heart, mind, and soul."
You ever wonder who it really is that hides behind the face they wear? I believe the vast majority of people don't want to be seen for the person they are. Having the mask fall away leaves the beholder without a zone in which he/she has held in front of them most of their lives.
I view this as separation of wheat and tares. The tares will be "Taken" and burned, while the wheat is stored in The Barn of God.
It's not about our will, it's not about Satan's will, it's about The Will of God.
We have "No" idea how long ago all this began. It was not only a corruption in our milky way galaxy. As far as we have been able to see outward into the universe this as a whole is in full decay and death.
I believe with all my heart, it takes God's way to reach the solution. The way we think it should have been done or needs to be done can never reach anything more than our destiny of total extinction.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Fri Aug 18, 2023 10:32 am
Quoting Scarz~ I believe with all my heart, it takes God's way to reach the solution. The way we think it should have been done or needs to be done can never reach anything more than our destiny of total extinction. -----------
Agreed. What will live on is the New Creature in Christ.
I haven't thought this through at all, but I think the reading says there will still be millions of humans on the earth during the time of the Kingdom. (weird) Is this yet another opportunity for salvation for them? With no 'tempter' or deceiver about till the end-when the world is tested again?
After that, the rebellion is truly over. The door to duality is shut tight and sealed.
And I agree with off planet corruption, but my thoughts of exactly where off planet is might seem puzzling. Q has suggested it's all getting cleared out.
Try this. A state of mind and it's manifestations exist within consciousness which is unlimited, unbounded potential. We are each a focal point of energy (God Stuff) that interacts with the Whole. Low energy tends toward the destructive. We can choose to act with the Higher Energies of 'the heavenly places' where life enhancing principles create Life Nourishing environments, worthy of achieving, spreading and preserving.
In a manner, this happens naturally, when we seek God and His Realm-His Kingdom. but we find that the 'inner Character' of Christ (within us) precedes the manifestation of the Kingdom. The flesh alone, lacking the renewed Mind and Heart of God (in/with/by Christ) cannot conform itself. And we come to accept sooner or later that surrender to Him IN US is the only way to Rise Up and be counted worthy.
The Holy Spirit of God dwelling WITHIN US is the Seal of God, is the Kingdom as He manifests it through us. He Is our Righteousness, is our Assurance of eternal Life. And we yield to Him-the Source of ALL in Mercy, Grace, Goodness, Godliness and Love. -- There's always more that could be said. This is just a little impromptu expression that sort of rolled out.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Fri Aug 18, 2023 12:38 pm
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I haven't thought this through at all, but I think the reading says there will still be millions of humans on the earth during the time of the Kingdom. (weird) Is this yet another opportunity for salvation for them? With no 'tempter' or deceiver about till the end-when the world is tested again?
Good thoughts Dove!!!
There will be nations of people during the Millennium.
During the One Thousand years of Satan being locked in the Abyss and Christ Kingdom is that Christ must still rule with a rod of iron. This clearly shows that even without the constant influence of Satan and his forces mankind will still have a sin nature. I'm only talking about those people who remain in a fleshly state not those of the first resurrection and bodily change.
Revelation 2:26-27
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Revelation 12:5
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
I believe those of the first resurrection and bodily change will rule and reign with Christ in his Kingdom. They will be kings and priest in the Kingdom. I believe they will also be teachers to help guide mankind in the knowledge and understanding of God.
Revelation 5:10
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Isaiah 30:20-21
And though the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction, yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more, but thine eyes shall see thy teachers:
And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.
Isaiah 11:9
They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
How long in our known time frame will a Little Season be?........How much time in our time frame of today will Satan have to deceive once again?........"We are not told."
I believe one of the main factors of Satan being released once again after the One Thousand years will be that children will be born and they never had to live as we do. They will be born in an environment that none of us have had the pleasure of being a part of.
These children of the Millennium Age will feel what we feel when Satan's Little Season takes place. I believe they were born in a world with a huge silver spoon in their mouths and now God will see if they truly love him. Which side of the fence will they stand?
During the Millennium there will be no aborted, no miscarriages and no child will die as a child. Everyone on the whole face of the earth will be taught and have full knowledge of who Christ is.
These Millennium Age born will not live in a world where animals will kill one another for food or pleasure. All animals will eat hay and grains being at peace with one another and mankind.
Isaiah 11:6-8
The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together; and a little child shall lead them.
The cow and the bear shall graze; their young shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
The nursing child shall play over the hole of the cobra, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder's den.
Isaiah 65:20........"There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Fri Aug 18, 2023 1:23 pm
Thank you for the verses. I'm with you on all you said.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Sat Aug 19, 2023 9:54 am
With all direct influence of Satan and his forces taken out of the picture then the population of the earth will be ruled by One Lord of Lords and King of Kings (Jesus Christ). Up until Jesus Christ took back the Kingdoms of this earth they were under direct influence by (Fallen Sons of God, Princes).
Scripture certainly supports that during the 1,000 year period of time before The Adversary is released from the bottomless pit (Abyss) that there will be nations who will not journey to Jerusalem as they are suppose to. Scripture is very plain that if they do not, they will receive no rain on their lands.
Zechariah 14:16-19
And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Just because Satan (The Adversary) is in prison doesn't mean for one second that flesh and blood mankind are without a rebellious heart.
Isaiah 2:4........"He shall judge between the nations, and shall decide disputes for many peoples; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore."
I believe there will be people who are as we are today......"Natural...mortal"........If a person today reaches the age of 100 they have lived a very, very long life. In the Millennium they will be only as a child.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Sun Aug 20, 2023 8:08 am
The elect are those who inherit the reign of The Kingdom.
What about all the (non-elect) who are living during the 1,000 years....."The many nations and people on earth"?........ The non-elect must have their self-wills broken in order for them to be brought in line with Jesus Christ and The Father........"The Will of The Father". These non-elect remain in a flesh and blood body.......There is a war between flesh and spirit being fought out within humans.
The overcomers in their lives on earth had their self-wills broken and were added to The Kingdom. If we suffer and endure hardship, we will reign with him. To endure hardships/sufferings (Tribulations) is all about a process to truly follow The Will of The Father, not our will, not the will of The Flesh.
Revelation 2:26........"And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:"
2 Timothy 2:12......."If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:"
1 Peter 4:13........"Instead, be very glad because these trials will make you partners with Christ in his suffering, and afterward you will have the wonderful joy of sharing his glory when it is displayed to all the world."
A purpose of the elect, the overcomers who will reign with Jesus Christ is to shepherd those in the flesh and add them into The Kingdom. During the 1,000 years of The Kingdom on this earth, The Good Shepherd will rule (shepherd) the nations of the earth.
Revelation 2:27........"And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father."
rule.......poimaino..From G4166; to tend as a shepherd.
So now we can see how the elect will be ruling over the non-elect. The word rule has meanings of....to shepherd, to feed, to supply what our very soul's need. They will be kings and priests that will help bring the non-elect into the Kingdom.
broken to shivers.....self-wills broken to pieces.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Sun Aug 20, 2023 3:16 pm
I do want to spend more time on your post, Scarz, but I'm in shock right now over the 'voices' out there who are teaching the Brave New World without Jesus. No. With the Fake Jesus.
I just never really listened to what they're saying before, as I know the New Age shtick but today I'm forcing myself to listen to what's being said now.
God help all those people who are buying into it.
When the masses wake up to the evil, all this new rah rah is going to sound like heaven has come.
As much as I want to, I don't think ignoring it is the right thing to do. It's much more devious than those who attack the Bible, and there are plenty of them to go around. --------------- The road is narrow, indeed. 'Dying to Live' is not an easy understanding.
My preference would be to leave this in the dirt. But if you are interested, here's one.
Maybe it's only a few on the fringe...but no, this stuff is pervasive. I could find voice after voice with this warped message.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Sun Aug 20, 2023 3:56 pm
I'm listening to more of that video now. Aww..they don't want to die. I had suspected this.
They are looking to find immortality in the flesh! 'Everybody wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die to get there.' So let's circumvent God and make our own.
They should read 'The Seth Material" by Jane Roberts. I read almost all of them. She died a most miserable slow death for giving her body over to the entity 'Seth'.
Researcher's read some of them. There was another woman on forum who had. It was quite the eye opener!
R and I could discuss it if no one else has read it. It was very revealing, and has similar themes to now. --- So far this woman is not far outside the scope of things we're expecting. I'm NOT saying it's at all ok. It is not! And I'm still listening.
I just know where there are some real humdingers! It leaves me thinking, 'how can you even say that with a straight face'???
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Sun Aug 20, 2023 9:57 pm
That's right out scary Dove- people will be scammed by this falseness under the disguise of smiles and luring content. I glanced at it but I'm treating it as a red hot poker. I don't want their "cookies" on my computer so wouldn't accept them when doing my glancing. Wow... This sorta reminds me of the author writing a book about the cabin- never read it but I have heard bad things about it so don't want it in my mind. He has a good following from what I've heard but it won't be me. This is my opinion.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:55 am
New day, new perspective. As much as I monitor the affairs of the world I still forget we are not a majority globally.
When we look at those numbers below, how many professed Christians are born again, surrendered? Or do they continue to live by the flesh and the ways of the world.
To MANY we are a hinderance to Peace. Especially with our attachment to the Jewish nation. "Christian" America are murderers and thieves in the experience of whole countries globally.
We have a long way to go, I'm afraid. Let each come where they are-without cleaning themselves up first, "else no flesh be left alive"! Besides, how could they clean themselves up when they know not what they are to believe?
If the world looks to the 'Followers' for the Unconditional Love of God shown by Jesus and known by the Spirit, and are turned away in JUDGEMENT instead, we've failed and we lose.
According to various sources, around 31% of the world's population is Christian, with 2.2 billion Christians, followed by 1.6 billion Muslims, 1 billion Hindus, 500 million Buddhists, and 400 million people practicing various folk or traditional religions.0 Christianity is the most popular religion worldwide, followed by Islam, which is practiced by more than 1.91 billion people.2 According to Pew Research Center projections, by 2060, the count of Muslims (3.0 billion, or 31% of the population) will near the Christian count (3.1 billion, or 32%).
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Mon Aug 21, 2023 8:45 am
Dove.....I agree with you and Judy. This has been around for a long time. I took part in a forum years ago that was full of New Agers. I don't think you Dove or Judy would be a bit surprised how much of this has seeped into what is suppose to be The Church. I'm going to say this because people need to wake up. A lot of deception has creeped in and polluted their houses (Their very Temples). The Adversary has pulled a thick fog over their minds. Once he has your mind, he has you.
Much of this talk and actions leading to the desire for eternal life without Jesus Christ, I view as what will come to be a curse not a paradise. Each time this subject comes up I think of what is written in The Book of Revelation.
Revelation 9:6........"And in those days people will seek death and will not find it. They will long to die, but death will flee from them."
I see a long ago rebellion as a rotten apple in a basket full of good apples. Every good apple that remains in contact with a rotten apple will soon be stained and rot. All the apples in the basket are in fact touching one another and will soon be destroyed by the corruption of this "One Bad Apple".......(If the one Bad Apple is not removed.)
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:02 am
Either we are attached to the true vine or we are attached to the false vine.
Not everyone who hears the gospel (Good News) will be saved. No where can you find in scripture that everyone who hears the gospel (Good News) will be saved.
I don't care how well you can see something, how long you stand telling someone......."It's right there." If they can't see it, they can't see it. You can discuss and debate with the blind person from now until next year and without a drawing from above that opens up their heart to understanding, they will remain blinded by the god of this world.
We can sow the seed but without the sun and the water it will never produce any fruit. It will never take root in a person without first being draw by The Father.
2 Corinthians 4:3-6
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:32 am
I 'cleaned up' the thread, Scarz.
Soon, I'll make a thread of Bible verses that teach the things I wrote out. I say that every year. The problem is-there is little in the Bible where it is not. --- "The MIND as supreme" people don't give the Spirit the credit due as Being the Governing and Directive Voice from God, it seems, even when they give a h/t to the heart. God is Spirit. God with us is the Ruach..(The Head!)
Even as they know no one is going anywhere unless God is first.
I get what they're saying, but there is a progression that needs to be followed. We never want to think we're 'all that' without the Renewal in the Spirit that is imparted to us, and Creator's Leading, AS He established it in the Garden but had precious little time to carry out, it appears.
How can one teach Power and Authority without explaining where it comes from, and that God With Us, is the Gift restored by the second Adam, Jesus. HE is the Way Maker. He makes the Way when there was no Way.
And the world really resents us telling them there is only One Way to the Father. And those that come up any other way are an anathema to God.
They don't always like what I have to say. But really they don't understand we speak in Love. And if they tried Jesus, they would come to KNOW. It is HIS Image and Likeness that God exalts, and by whom we are saved.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Fri Aug 25, 2023 5:06 am
You didn't need to cleanup anything Dove. I like interaction in the thread......That's what a forum is suppose to be all about. I get tired of talking to myself in any forum. At one point just a very few years ago forums were a big thing, but over the past years they have been dying out very quickly. The vast majority of people that do drop in are only lurkers that never join as a member, or those that are take little to no part in the conversations. The great depth of good interaction has taken a back seat and has now for several years.
Really all I'm doing is trying to give my thoughts, my understanding, my beliefs on the subjects. I'm not a know it all and I never have claimed to think that for one second. I learn as I go. None of us have everything figured out. As long as we have and keep the core all the other I believe will finally one day come to light.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:32 am
There are generations and then there are ages (aions)......."an age, or age-time, the duration of which is indefinite, and may be limited or extended as the contest of each occurrence may demand. The root meaning of aion is expressed by the Hebrew 'olam which denotes indefinite unknown or concealed duration. Hence, it has come to denote any given period of time, characterized by a special form of Divine administration or dispensation."
Ephesians 2:7......."That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus."
Ephesians 3:5......."Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;"
Ephesians 3:21......."Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen."
Colossians 1:26......."Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:"
Hebrews 1:2......."Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;"
worlds......."aions"....ages
Hebrews 11:3......."Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Fri Aug 25, 2023 11:54 am
The word from Entheos is "Be strong. Be rested. Get healthy. Get lite. FALL AHEAD INTENTION IS EVERYTHING"
He is part of the Q who has seen it all and knows what's coming. I put some of today's reposts from him in the Prophecy thread. --- Having have watched, read, struggled to see and understand to the extent that I do, does sometimes bring me fear over what is coming. And I have to raise myself out of it through knowledge about God's words for His people, meaning the church of Christ Followers. And I pray for His Mercy upon all people. ---- It may seem that I forget the 'other people' in the world, and that their participation too is required. Therefore, not all Q speaks Jesus. Not only would soo many on the earth not understand, many would reject.
But not to worry. ALL in God's timing. We know that there will come a time when every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord. And that God said He will pour out His Spirit on all men. And that Spirit points to Jesus as it is the Same Anointing Spirit, to Jesus in Full and us in part, which is why Jesus said, 'when two or more of you are gathered in My Name I am there in the midst.
Jesus said, even to His disciples who had been with Him day and night, 'Right now you do not know the Way..." But it is good for you that I go, because then the Father and I will send you the Holy Spirit who will Lead, guide, bring to your Remembrance all that I have said, AND HE will show you Great and Mighty things you know not of.
We should take Comfort (in the Presence of the Comforter) and be at Peace in our heart and souls. There is a Divine Order to all that is happening. ---- If they exclude Jesus, ok. I know it won't last, or they will live a life somewhere separate from the One in whose Hand, Mind, Heart and Watchful eye we are under.
My problem is when anyone teaches 'another Jesus', other than what is 'written'. Jesus is and always has been, 'The Living Word'. It is impossible to separate the two. That mistake is one I cannot just walk away from without answering.
Another is 'the Bible is a lie'. Really! They just say that and then leave. Their only argument is that the RCC withheld many books from the Bible. As if God would allow us to worship blindly, after all He did to open our eyes. I would take them on any day...scroll by scroll, verse by verse, with all of you helping!
It's true terrible things have happened in the preaching of the Word, from the time of Jesus onward. Blame man, not God.
The Renewed Heart and Renewed Mind deposited within us as the Holy Spirit resides, both teaches and Rightly divides the Word.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Sat Aug 26, 2023 6:44 am
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Another is 'the Bible is a lie'. Really! They just say that and then leave. Their only argument is that the RCC withheld many books from the Bible. As if God would allow us to worship blindly, after all He did to open our eyes.
The Renewed Heart and Renewed Mind deposited within us as the Holy Spirit resides, both teaches and Rightly divides the Word.
That is so true Dove. We don't know all the details of the last years, but there is no doubting even if The Bibles, all of scripture, all true manuscripts are destroyed there will always be The LORD God.
One great verse of scripture points to a time within those last days that shows God never gives up on reaching the many people of this earth with the everlasting (eternal) gospel. A very special Angel (Messenger) is given the authority by The LORD God to carry this eternal Good News to proclaim to the people on earth.
Revelation 14:6-7........ "And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,........Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters."
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Sat Aug 26, 2023 7:44 am
And Luke 19
37 And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen; 38 saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest. 39 And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples. 40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:10 am
I'm watching this video right now directly from the site. This link is actually about 20 minutes long with 5 min of other information at the end. I have a rare day off and an empty house so can turn up the sound and listen. https://jackhibbs.com/antichrist-coming-of-the-lawless-one/
edit : I'm certainly in no way an expert but think as we discussed earlier that the 3 and 1/2 years of the 7 paused at the cross.. leaving 3 1/2 years to come.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:06 pm
Oh wow. I missed that discussion. But I REALLY like Jack Hibbs, so I won't miss it again!
Quote Border collie edit : I'm certainly in no way an expert but think as we discussed earlier that the 3 and 1/2 years of the 7 paused at the cross.. leaving 3 1/2 years to come.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:45 pm
I have a question. You know the Pope's staff with the figure hung upside down on a cross?
That's not Jesus, is it? It was Peter hung upside down, and Peter who the RCC says established the church using Jesus' words to Peter on the Mount of Transfiguration, 'on that Truth shown to you by the Father, I will build my church'. (paraphrased)
We know it was the Revelation of who Jesus is that came from God that would be the 'Foundation' of the church. It just needed to be spoken.
It had nothing to do with the man Peter.
One thing I'm not well versed on is Peter's teachings as an Apostle.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:45 pm
I think Scars brought it up earlier in this thread- about the 3 and 1/2 at the cross. I may have misunderstood but will see if I can find it this afternoon .
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:10 pm
It's on page 15 .and around June 15th.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Sun Aug 27, 2023 5:43 am
Very good subject and one I believe to be very important. I've got so much going on here with a family sickness. My oldest sister has taken very ill the last couple weeks. With that and all the every day work, my days are pretty full.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Sun Aug 27, 2023 5:48 am
Sorry to hear that, Scarz. Prayers for you and your sister.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Sun Aug 27, 2023 7:59 am
Scars, I'll keep your sister in prayer and you also for these stressful times.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Mon Aug 28, 2023 8:13 am
Thank you ladies for the kind words and prayers. We can't have too many prayers that's for sure.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Mon Aug 28, 2023 8:37 am
Dove wrote:
the RCC says established the church using Jesus' words to Peter on the Mount of Transfiguration, 'on that Truth shown to you by the Father, I will build my church'. (paraphrased)
Michael Heiser says, “Gates are defensive structures, not offensive weapons. The Kingdom of God is the aggressor. Jesus begins at ground zero in the cosmic geography of both testaments to announce the great reversal. It is the gates of hell that are under assault—and they will not hold up against the Church. Hell will one day be Satan’s tomb”
The famous scenes of Peter’s confession (Matt 16:13-20) and the transfiguration (Mark 9:2-8} occur, respectively, at the foot of and on Mount Hermon, the place where the Watchers vowed to corrupt humanity in Second Temple Jewish thought. Mount Hermon is in the northernmost region of Bashan, associated in the Old Testament and Canaanite literature with the Rephaim giants and entry points to the underworld. While some scholars still accept the traditional identification of Mount Tabor as the site for the transfiguration, many are now convinced that Mount Hermon is the better choice due to the height of Hermon, its proximity to Caesarea Philippi, and its symbolic associations with evil and the underworld. In 1 Enoch, this region is clearly associated with the Watcher. As I noted in Reversing Hermon:
The book of 1 Enoch identifies Hermon with the region known in Jesus’ day as Upper Galilee. When Enoch writes down the confessions and petitions of the Watchers—their pleas to God for forgiveness and clemency, he says, “And I went and sat down upon the waters of Dan—in Dan which is on the southwest of Hermon” (1 Enoch 13:7). Of this passage Nickelsburg observes, “This is a clear reference to the immediate environs of Tell Dan in upper Galilee.”
It is difficult to miss the implications. When Jesus declares that “the gates of hell” will not be able to withstand the church, he does so in a place deeply rooted in Old Testament and Second Temple-period thinking about Satan and the realm of the dead, his kingdom as it were. Jesus chooses Mount Hermon to reveal his glory—a direct provocation of the demonic realm. For ancient readers, these cosmic-geographical spiritual warfare gestures would be unmistakable. Jesus is essentially picking a fight, as these two events are precursors to the commencement of teaching the disciples that he must die in Jerusalem—the catalyst to God’s redemptive plan.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Mon Aug 28, 2023 9:23 am
The Roman Catholic doctrine teaches that The Pope is the earthly "Head" of the church and the "Successor" of The Apostle Peter. In this belief Jesus Christ appointed Peter as the first Pope and this succession continues to this very day.
How is it then in The Rome Catholic position that a Pope is to be unmarried? If Peter was the first Pope would he not have been unmarried?
Peter was a married man. The Bible tells us that Peter's wife's mother was healed by Jesus of a fever in Matthew 8:14-15........"And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever........And he touched her hand, and the fever left her: and she arose, and ministered unto them."
Here also is another example that Peter was not a Pope, because he never allowed men to bow down to him. Men do bow down to the Pope all the time.
Acts 10:25-26........"When Peter entered, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him........But Peter lifted him up, saying, "Stand up; I too am a man."
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Mon Aug 28, 2023 10:01 am
If Peter was the first Pope would he not have been unmarried? ---
I think it was Jesus who said, a man cannot serve two masters. --- That just popped in my head. It's kind of true though. Great info here to get into. Thank you, Scarz. I'll be back as quick as I can.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Mon Aug 28, 2023 5:13 pm
My understanding tracks with Heiser's that it was at Mt. Hermon. His take on the Gates is interesting. I need to think on it.
That day on the Mount is what I consider the forerunner to the two witnesses. And makes me think of how Q has said everything happens twice. The Bible says that too, but I can't pull up the right quote at the moment.
I personally believe the coming two witnesses are the same; Moses and Elijah, representing (again) the Law and the Prophets, to the unbelieving Jews. Enoch is a bit of a contender, I know, for being 'taken up' without death, but I don't see the same significance as Moses brings. ----- Paul addresses marriage in 1 Corinthians 7.
Oh Goodness. My 'joke' earlier wasn't actually far off.
1 Corin. 7:32 But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord: 33 but he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife.
Paul did say he was speaking as himself; and not of any Commandment. --- Peter was married before he met Jesus, and he may have had children. But he had to leave them to be of the 12, to follow Jesus. And he had to leave them again, certainly to go to Rome and maybe before. --- So it seems the RCC, be it Constantine or before, taught that the church was the Bride of Christ and therefore priests should not marry. And fornication outside marriage is a sin. And so sin they do, as it's an unnatural circumstance.
'Unmarried' made a great deal more sense for the Apostles who were constantly traveling by foot through dangerous territories. And made much more sense for the wife and families to not be abandoned for the sake of the Gospel. --- I'm going to go look a little deeper at the precise words Peter uttered that day.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Tue Aug 29, 2023 5:20 am
There are prophecies that I view as dual. Michael and I talked about this a few times. Many things that happened in The OT I can see as a repeat. One of them is The Exodus.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Tue Aug 29, 2023 5:42 am
There are prophecies that I view as dual. Michael and I talked about this a few times. Many things that happened in The OT I can see as a repeat. One of them is The Exodus. ---------------------- There is no 'safe space' on earth to flee to physically, IMO.
But Spiritually speaking, yes, I think we are actively now very much engaged in fleeing Egypt.
And I don't know as you would consider the need for the citizens of Israel to flee to the desert a fulfillment. How many even know that it is written?
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Tue Aug 29, 2023 9:01 am
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There are prophecies that I view as dual. Michael and I talked about this a few times. Many things that happened in The OT I can see as a repeat. One of them is The Exodus. ---------------------- There is no 'safe space' on earth to flee to physically, IMO.
But Spiritually speaking, yes, I think we are actively now very much engaged in fleeing Egypt.
And I don't know as you would consider the need for the citizens of Israel to flee to the desert a fulfillment. How many even know that it is written?
I don't believe you are understanding exactly my point of The New Exodus. I see this as a future event that will one day lead to "ALL" believers being free from the bondage of the flesh, sin, death and entering The New Jerusalem........"The Promised Land of The LORD God."
I give full credit to Peter Goodgame who opened up this to me several years ago. Peter planted the seed in me and of coarse The LORD was the one to draw me to understanding a very huge chunk of The Big Picture.
Peter Goodgame wrote:
Just what exactly is The New Exodus?
The New Exodus is the amazing and mysterious Gospel story of the redemption of God's people and the restoration of God's kingdom taught through the form of a parable using true historical events.
We find promises of a New Exodus given most graphically in the book of Isaiah, notably in Isaiah 35 and throughout all of Isaiah 40-55. Yet the roots of the New Exodus go back to Genesis 3, where Adam and Eve became the first exiles after they were kicked out of the Garden of Eden. This great end-times parable appears throughout the Bible using the story of Israel's original exodus from Egypt as the template, yet the final goal is not merely the redemption of one nation, but of all humanity! Furthermore, the "promised land" of this New Exodus is not a limited portion of real estate in today's Middle East, but an entire New Earth where the Tree of Life is planted and where God and mankind will be re-united once again in one eternal family. Yes, the New Exodus is nothing less than the epic story of how the Creator enters into His creation, seeks out the lost children of Adam and Eve, and leads them back home.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Tue Aug 29, 2023 9:15 am
I see! It's true, I didn't know that you were thinking of it in such broad terms, but yes, absolutely.
I was equating Egypt to the current beast system, but have often thought of it as
representing the (fallen) world. So...YES! We're on our way. And it's all there.
Some will miss the old ways of Egypt and try to return. They will complain of the manna, of how long it's taking...heehee.
God has a large earthquake waiting for them, along with more tumultuous times.
We really could write out some of the near future based on their journey. Fascinating! ---- And any report you'd share on your sister, Scarz?
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Tue Aug 29, 2023 9:38 am
Great words written by you "Dove". It's all about The New Exodus with Jesus Christ........Peter Goodgame wrote: "calling out to every lost child of Adam and Eve to follow Him on a "way through the wilderness" back to the Tree of Life. The end-point of this journey is a renewed Creation and a renewed Family of God, made possible only by the atoning sacrifice of the servant Himself on our behalf!"
************ It is starting to look better for my sister the last two days. She has a way to go, but things are on the up tick.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Tue Aug 29, 2023 9:56 am
This had it's beginning in Genesis and continues all the way through Revelation.
Remember the voice that comes from heaven in Revelation 18?........."saying, Come out of her, my people"..........An exodus from Babylon The Great.
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Subject: Re: The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation Tue Aug 29, 2023 10:12 am
Let's see..in defense of Moses being one of the two witnesses, (and you've presented a strong case for it) do you think that even though Moses died before reaching the Promised Land, that it was most unusual that God sent an angel to take possession of his body? (The dark angel fought for the body.) So unusual, I think, that it means something BIG! that we might deduce from it.
And GOOD NEWS for your sister. Thank you, God.
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