Will we love the darkness more than the Light?

Dove wrote:

The AC is in the pit:  "the beast that was and is not and yet is.' Correct?

Yes,I believe Nimrod (The Antichrist) is in the abyss (Bottomless pit). He once was alive,he then died and will one day rise again.

Jesus Christ.......... “which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty,” Revelation 1:8 

The Antichrist........“was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition” Revelation 17:8

it is obvious who revelation 1:8 is speaking of:
 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, said the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, theAlmighty. 


the antithesis of that is in revelation 17:11:
11And the beast that was, and is not, and is to come,even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition



the answer is obvious who antichrist is because of a curious quirk that allows one to speculate along scriptural lines and be correct...


is the first of the 7 kings, and the 8th ....he is also part of all 7 kingdoms that would be classified as pagan empires that have dominated on a world stage(with world being relevant to the time period)....he is the founder of RELIGION and HUMAN GOVERNMENT in the post flood period, as he was "worshipped" as the sun god and was "resurrected" as his son Tammuz. (for those out of the loop, none of this actually happened, it was a fraud perpetrated by the wife of nimrod who was known as the "queen of heaven)....he was also the first post flood "king" and went through a name change, according to the book of jasher,  and then was known as king amraphel....his kingdom was of course, babel, and babel has reigned as the religion of the world ever since in one form or another

I have written about this on back in this thread but I will lay it out once again since we are adding to this topic. Abaddon is just another name for (Nimrod,The King of Babylon,The Antichrist).

We know from Revelation that Abaddon [Destroyer] will be called,"The angel of the bottomless pit."

He will be a [Messenger] who comes to bring destruction upon the whole world.

I see him as it says in Revelation,"And they had a [King] over them." He once lived as one of the Seven Kings in the past,but will also be the Eighth King. He was alive in the past,he died as a man in the past,and he will one day live again to be that Eighth King.


Revelation 17:10-11



And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.


And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.



During the time that John wrote the Book of Revelation, [Five of the Seven Kings had already died], [One was ruling and alive when John was writing the Book of Revelation],and [One King was yet to rule sometime in the future].

Here are the Seven Kings and we know One of them will live again,because verse 11 explains it in detail. The beast (Antichrist) that was (Once lived and ruled as King),and is not (He died and is know longer King) even he is the eighth (He will live again to become the Eighth King)and is of the seven (He was one of the first Seven Kings).

I believe he has already taken the fatal wound and died many years ago,but will one day rise again. 

I don't believe he will die as the Antichrist and then be resurrected to be the Eighth King as many teach. They believe the Antichrist is number seven and will be killed and a resurrection will take place and he will then be the eighth.

I believe once the Antichrist comes in the picture he has already lived in the past and has now been brought back to live again.

His fatal wound of death has now been healed and he now lives as the Eighth King.

tomorrow could be interesting....keep your heads up and your butts down....probably nothing will happen out of the ordinary but ...........................................................

I agree  . There's a lot of tension in the air .  
 One of seven and will be the eighth..  ? What General Byrd saw.. hitler having a head wound..  I just have to wonder about that.. I had misread it for years to say the 1st and the last.. so that is why I'm open to that possibility.

bordercollie wrote:

Dove wrote:

So Lucifer is "the arrogant Babylonian rulers who took Israel into exile. "?


according to the above text?  (It doesn't mess with me if he is not the same entity as satan).  But I'm curious.  Is he another fallen angel?
a type of anti-christ prior to Jesus?  Is he a spirit or a man, or men?

 I awoke this morning with a sermon playing on you tube. The speaker  referred to Lucifer  as satan before he fell.  Lucifer was his angelic name when he was a bright star.. 
  I didn't listen to the whole sermon but will today if I can. I will have to find the sermon because it was on my tv and not computer.

mj, nowhere, absolutely nowhere in scripture will you find where lucifer was EVER considered to be satan before he fell....that is a case where they could not find an answer so they just made shit up..."lucifer" is a >L A T I N< word....latin is a language that was originated around 200 AD and Isaiah was written around 700 BC....use your head...lucifer is a word that means light bringer....if you will check the names of all angels that are mentioned in scripture,biblical or extra-biblical, their names all end with EL!....neither satan nor lucifer end with EL....lucifer was taken out the vulgate and put in the kjv because they could not understand aand translate the hebrew into english....lucifer has never been satans name....ever

Matthew 24:25-26


Behold, I have told you before.


Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the [desert]; go not forth: behold, he is in the [secret chambers]; believe it not.


The above words of Jesus Christ where he was speaking of false prophets and false Christ, appears to be telling us a major event to occur when the Antichrist is revealed. I believe his body may be discovered somewhere in the desert,in a secret chamber.  I don't believe man will be able to open the chamber on his on but it will be opened by the Angel who was given the key that is spoken of in Revelation 9:1.......And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. 

I believe this star (Angel) will be given the key (Knowledge) to open this chamber that will open a realm that is called the bottomless pit or Abyss. Much like the tomb where Jesus Christ body was placed after his death, and the great stone was rolled away by an Angel,this Angel will open the chamber to reveal the body of the Antichrist. Someone may very well see this Angel as was the case at Jesus Christ tomb.

Matthew 28:2-5........ "And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it....His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:...And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.....And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.



Remember The Antichrist will be revealed........"a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;" (2 Thessalonians 2:3). This doesn't mean the body must come to life instantaneous.........'It has just been revealed." He could rise some time later.

With the discovery of a secret chamber a King of the past may be found and through a great event will rise and live again. I believe after this event takes place this could be the main force behind all the world wondering after the beast (Antichrist). The strong delusion of the great signs and wonders will sting like a scorpion and paralyze man with a great deception. This mighty King I believe will be Nimrod who the Ancient Egyptians called by the name Osiris (Just one more name added to his many names and titles).

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"Bring their bodies to rest here with mine, that we may await together the Day of Awakening when Osiris returns to the world.... He spoke another word, and a mighty sandstorm came up and buried the tomb so that none might find it again. There it lies hidden for all ages against its finding by mortals. And there lies hidden the Book of Thoth, held safely by Nefrekeptah, his wife Ahura, and their son Merab. They stand guard over it and await the Day of Awakening, when Osiris shall return to the world once more." ("The Book of Thoth,")
 
www.touregypt.net/godsofegypt/thebookofthoth.htm

I knew deep down  something was amiss with that . I'm going to research and see the name of that video speaker . I do remember that the angels has names ending with el . now that I think back. Thank ya'll.

Mike said: lucifer has never been satans name....ever.
I think we're all in agreement there.


I know what I'm saying:  That "How art thou fallen from heaven, son of the morning" is referring to satan. (Just cross Lucifer out as a Latin
translation that somehow got carried on as a name instead of a descriptive Latin word)
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Sirius, or Set, was the original “headless one” – the light of the lower region (the south) who was known (in Egypt) as An (the dog), hence Set-An (Satan), Lord of the infernal regions, the place of heat, later interpreted in a moral sense as “hell”. [  Kenneth Grant, The Magical Revival ]
https://vigilantcitizen.com/hidden-knowledge/connection-between-sirius-and-human-history/

Explained as bluntly and directly as possible, ALL the activity of the illuminated elite throughout history has been to bring about a “golden age” where their god will rule the earth, finally manifest in human form. This coming god-man king referred to by the elite Freemasons as the “light bringer” has always been symbolized in elaborate ritual and art as variations of the Hermathena or Baphomet.
http://www.siriustwins.com/meaning/symbols/the-essence-of-the-baphomet-hidden-in-harry-potter/

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The unification of the man (The sun – Sol Invictus – Attis -Nachash) and the woman (The moon – Cybele – Eve) depicts the time when the Nachash takes on human form to rule the earth. 

At summer solstice June 21st, Sirius and the sun rise together. On July 4th Sirius finally rises before the sun, although it is too near the sun to be seen. It first becomes visible above the eastern horizon for a brief moment just before sunrise in August 8th which is our time of the helical rising because of the difference caused by 3000 years of procession. (See: Apokalyptō (ἀποκαλύπτω “revealing”) of the Georgia Guidestones for some history and importance of the star Sirius.)


"-for the Nachashian elite revel at the “signs” of the coming resurrection of Mithra/Attis/Apollo."

http://www.siriustwins.com/meaning/the-revealing/the-serpent-and-the-rainbow/

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 I could no more summerize David or Mark's work...and won't try,  BUT  we are choking on it in today's "Illuminated" world.

From the Vigilant link above:


The hieroglyph representing Sirius contains three elements: a “phallic” obelisk (representing Osiris), a “womb-like” dome (representing Isis) and a star (representing Horus).

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/Lucifer
1. Bible An angelic being who was cast from heaven as punishment for his
 rebellious pride. Lucifer is traditionally identified with Satan.
2. The planet Venus in its appearance as the morning star. Also calledPhosphorus.

1. a proud rebellious archangel, identified with Satan, who fell from heaven.
2. the planet Venus when appearing as the morning star.
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These links are jammed with information.

https://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/the-met-gala-2019-a-perfect-reflection-of-the-showbusiness-agenda/

Or the main page and click latest news and see it.

This below is one of the main reasons Lucifer can not be Satan. Satan is not a man at all,he isn't even part man to be called a man. You can't find anywhere in scripture where Satan is referred to as a human being. But his offspring could be referred to as a man if he was born of a human woman.
This whole lay out is about one being,it never changes from one to another.

Isaiah 14:12-16


How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!


For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:


I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.


Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.


They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

time to move on pipples, but it was fun and just proved,again, that a person HAS to do their own research to find the truth due to traditions,deceit and bullshit becoming ingrained in the common systems of belief....now, here is one that i have pondered for a long time and there are several possibile answers: Whatchall' think this means?....i think i know, but i want to hear from the other mousketeers

 I wi ll sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:  

michael371 wrote:

time to move on pipples, but it was fun and just proved,again, that a person HAS to do their own research to find the truth due to traditions,deceit and bullshit becoming ingrained in the common systems of belief....now, here is one that i have pondered for a long time and there are several possibile answers: Whatchall' think this means?....i think i know, but i want to hear from the other mousketeers

 I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:  

Go ahead Michael and let us know what you are thinking.

this is kind of a tricky one due to the language used....in short, we can debate later, it appears to me that nimrod had the desire to rule the divine council...to enhance himself into being a "godlike figure" above the "stars" of the 70 that gathered on the mount of God...now, that is my view and it may not be correct....the first thought is babylon, another would be the arab nations with "allah"but, if you examine the language used and the context, that is not possible as to being the "mount of the congregation and the sides of the north"....you can look at several translations and they all read a bit different on this passage....let er' rip now

Here's the rest of the wiki entry as it's what we'd be looking for concerning Mt. Hermon.


Various temples can be found in villages on the slopes of Mount Hermon.
Mount Hermon's name has been related to the Semitic root hrm, which means "taboo" or "consecrated", and the Arabic term al-haram, which means "sacred enclosure".^[11]

Epic of Gilgamesh

The Epic of Gilgamesh mentions that Mount Hermon split after Gilgamesh killed Humbaba, the Guardian of the Cedar Forest. One translation of Tablet V states, "The ground split open with the heels of their feet, as they whirled around in circles Mt. Hermon and Lebanon split."^[12]

Ugaritic religion

The mountain or summit is referred to as Saphon in Ugaritic texts where the palace of Ba'al is located in a myth about Attar.^[13][14]

Hebrew Bible and apocrypha

In the Book of Enoch, Mount Hermon is the place where the Watcher class of fallen angels descended to Earth. They swear upon the mountain that they would take wives among the daughters of men and take mutual imprecation for their sin (Enoch 6).
The Book of Chronicles mentions Mount Hermon as a place where Epher, Ishi, Eliel, Azriel, Jeremiah, Hodaviah, and Jahdiel were the heads of their families (1 Chronicles 5:23-24).
In Psalm 42, which leads the Psalms of the northern kingdom, the Psalmist remembers God from the land of Jordan and the Hermonites. In Song of Songs 4:8, Hermon is an instance of an exotic locale, and Psalm 133, one of the Songs of Ascents, makes specific reference to the abundant dew formation upon Mount Hermon.^[15]
According to the controversial research by Professor Israel Knohl of the Hebrew University, in his book "Hashem", Mount Hermon is actually the Mount Sinai mentioned in the Hebrew Bible, with the biblical story reminiscent of an ancient battle of the northern tribes with the Egyptians somewhere in the Jordan valley or Golan heights.^[16]

New Testament

R.T. France, in his book on the Gospel of Matthew, noted that Mount Hermon was a possible location of the Transfiguration of Jesus.^[17][18]

Qasr Antar inscription and Hermon as the "mountain of oath"

There is a sacred building made of hewn blocks of stone on the summit of Mount Hermon. Known as Qasr Antar, it is the highest temple of the ancient world and was documented by Sir Charles Warren in 1869. An inscription on a limestone stelerecovered by Warren from Qasr Antar was translated by George Nickelsburg to read "According to the command of the greatest a(nd) Holy God, those who take an oath (proceed) from here." Nickelsburg connected the inscription with the oath taken by the angels under Semjaza who took an oath together, bound by a curse, in order to take human wives in the Book of Enoch (1 Enoch 6:6). Hermon was said to have become known as "the mountain of oath" by Charles Simon Clermont-Ganneau. The name of God was supposed to be a Hellenized version of Baʿal or Hadad and Nickelsburg connected it with the place name of Baal-Hermon (Lord of Hermon) and the deity given by Enoch as "The Great Holy One".^[19]

Deir El Aachayer Roman temple

Another Greek inscription found in a large temple at Deir El Aachayer on the northern slopes notes the year that a bench was installed "in the year 242, under Beeliabos, also called Diototos, son of Abedanos, high priest of the gods of Kiboreia". The era of the gods of Kiboreia is not certain, nor is their location, which is not conclusively to be identified with Deir al-Achayer, but was possibly the Roman sanctuary or the name of a settlement in the area.^[20]

Religious importance in the Late Roman period

Eusebius recognized the religious importance of Hermon in his work Onomasticon (probably written in the first quarter of the 4th century), saying "Until today, the mount in front of Banias and Lebanon is known as Hermon and it is respected by nations as a sanctuary".^[11]

https://books.google.com/books?id=IA-YlZqHv90C&pg=PA311#v=onepage&q&f=false

Excerpts of a book: The Roman Near East, 31 B.C. to A.D. 337 is interesting.  
I saw the worship of a black stone they considered from the sun, that the rulers would
rule 'by craft'.

There's alot more there that might fill in some gaps, if somebody's game.

fascinating,dove

What do all those scribbles say?

On the outside:
S In the name of God, the Merciful the Compassionate. There is no god but God. He is One. He has no associate. Say: He is God, the One! God, the eternally Besought of all! He begetteth not nor was begotten. And there is none comparable unto Him. Muhammad is the Messenger of God, the blessing of God be on him.
SW In the name of God, the Merciful the Compassionate. There is no god but God. He is One. He has no associate. Muhammad is the Messenger of God. Lo! God and His angels shower blessings on the Prophet.
W O ye who believe! Ask blessings on him and salute him with a worthy salutation. In the name of God, the Merciful the Compassionate. There is no god but God. He is One. Praise be to
NW God, Who hath not taken unto Himself a son, and Who hath no partner in the Sovereignty, nor hath He any protecting friend through dependence. And magnify Him with all magnificence. Muhammad is the Messenger of
N God, the blessing of God be on him and the angels and His prophets, and peace be on him, and may God have mercy. In the name of God, the Merciful the Compassionate. There is no god but God. He is One. He has no associate.
NE Unto Him belongeth sovereignty and unto Him belongeth praise. He quickeneth. And He giveth death; and He has Power over all things. Muhammad is the Messenger of God, the blessing of God be on him. May He accept his intercession on the Day of Judgment on behalf of his people.
E In the name of God, the Merciful the Compassionate. There is no god but God. He is One. He has no associate. Muhammad is the Messenger of God, the blessing of God be on him. The dome was built by servant of God ‘Abd
SE [Allah the Imam al-Ma’mun, Commander] of the Faithful, in the year two and seventy. May God accept from him and be content with him. Amen, Lord of the worlds, praise be to God.


 INSCRIPTIONS ON THE Inside of the OCTAGONAL ARCADE
 S In the name of God, the Merciful the Compassionate. There is no god but God. He is One. He has no associate. Unto Him belongeth sovereignity and unto Him belongeth praise. He quickeneth and He giveth death; and He has Power over all things. Muhammad is the servant of God and His Messenger.
SE Lo! God and His angels shower blessings on the Prophet. O ye who believe! Ask blessings on him and salute him with a worthy salutation. The blessing of God be on him and peace be on him, and may God have mercy. O People of the Book! Do not exaggerate in your religion
E nor utter aught concerning God save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a Messenger of God, and His Word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers, and say not ‘Three’ – Cease! (it is)
NE better for you! – God is only One God. Far be it removed from His transcendent majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And God is sufficient as Defender. The Messiah will never scorn to be a
N servant unto God, nor will the favoured angels. Whoso scorneth His service and is proud, all such will He assemble unto Him. Oh God, bless Your Messenger and Your servant Jesus
NW son of Mary. Peace be on him the day he was born, and the day he dies, and the day he shall be raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary, (this is) a statement of the truth concerning which they doubt. It befitteth not (the Majesty of) God that He should take unto Himself a son. Glory be to Him!
W When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is. Lo! God is my Lord and your Lord. So serve Him. That is the right path. God (Himself) is witness that there is no God save Him. And the angels and the men of learning (too are witness). Maintaining His creation in justice, there is no God save Him,
SW the Almighty, the Wise. Lo! religion with God (is) Islam. Those who (formerly) received the Book differed only after knowledge came unto them, through transgression among themselves. Whoso disbelieveth the revelations of God (will find that) lo! God is swift at reckoning!
https://ntbc.wordpress.com/inscriptions-about-jesus-on-islams-dome-of-the-rock-jerusalem/

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I think this is why Islam-(Persia) calls Israel 'little satan' and America 'the Great satan'.  It is our Christian belief in Jesus as Messiah, our belief in the Trinity that gives us their title as "Great".  Orthodox Jews, not recognizing Jesus as Messiah at His first Coming, may indeed be ripe for deceit when the 'Messiah of False Peace' appears.

Psalm 48:1-2........"Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised in the city of our God, in the mountain of his holiness. Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King."



Mount Zion may very well be referring to the physical city of Jerusalem, or the Heavenly city as written in Hebrews 12:22.


Hebrews 12:22........"But you are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to our innumerable company of angels."




Many believe The Throne of God The Father that is in The Heavenly Jerusalem is direct north in the Heavens. I find it very interesting that The North Star is our constant guide as to the right direction of things.


Job 26:7 has an interesting verse, "He stretcheth out the north over the empty space, and hangeth the earth upon nothing."

Mount Zion:   (if God has a 'holy mountain' then the 'imposter' would want one too)

For "Zion" as a symbol for Jerusalem, redemption, etc. see Zion .
Mount Zion ([url=https://www.bing.com/search?q=Hebrew language wikipedia]Hebrew[/url]: הַר צִיּוֹן, Har Tsiyyon; [url=https://www.bing.com/search?q=Arabic language wikipedia]Arabic[/url]: جبل صهيون‎, Jabal Sahyoun) is a hill in [url=https://www.bing.com/search?q=Jerusalem wikipedia]Jerusalem[/url] just outside the walls of the [url=https://www.bing.com/search?q=Old City (Jerusalem) wikipedia]Old City[/url]. The term Mount Zion has been used in the [url=https://www.bing.com/search?q=Hebrew Bible wikipedia]Hebrew Bible[/url] first for the [url=https://www.bing.com/search?q=City of David wikipedia]City of David[/url] (2 Samuel 5:7, 1 Chronicles 11:5; 1 Kings 8:1, 2 Chronicles 5:2) and later for the [url=https://www.bing.com/search?q=Temple Mount wikipedia]Temple Mount[/url], but its meaning has shifted and it is now used as the name of ancient Jerusalem's Western Hill. In a wider sense, the term is also used for the entire [url=https://www.bing.com/search?q=Land of Israel wikipedia]Land of Israel[/url].




THIS MENTIONS "Jerusalemites ".  WELL...EXCUSE ME! (that's almost sacrilege)

The name Mount Zion referred successively to three locations, as Jerusalemites preserved the time-honoured name, but shifted the location they venerated as the focal point of biblical Jerusalem to the site considered most appropriate in their own time. 


Lower Eastern Hill (City of David)
At first, Mount Zion was the name given to the [url=https://www.bing.com/search?q=Jebusite wikipedia]Jebusite[/url] fortified city on the lower part of ancient Jerusalem's Eastern Hill, also known as the [url=https://www.bing.com/search?q=City of David wikipedia]City of David[/url]. 
According to the [url=https://www.bing.com/search?q=Book of Samuel wikipedia]Book of Samuel[/url], Mount Zion was the site of the Jebusite fortress called the "stronghold of Zion" that was conquered by [url=https://www.bing.com/search?q=King David wikipedia]King David[/url], then renamed and partially rebuilt by him as the "City of David", where he erected his [url=https://www.bing.com/search?q=David%27s Palace wikipedia]palace[/url]. 


Upper Eastern Hill (Temple Mount)
Once the [url=https://www.bing.com/search?q=Temple in Jerusalem%23First or Solomon.27s Temple wikipedia]First Temple[/url] was erected at the top of the Eastern Hill, the name "Mount Zion" migrated there too. 
After the conquest of the Jebusite city, its built-up area expanded northward towards the uppermost part of the same, Eastern Hill. This highest part became the site of Solomon's Temple. 
The identification of the pre-Israelite (Jebusite) and Israelite towns on the Eastern Hill is based on the existence of only one perennial water source in the area, the [url=https://www.bing.com/search?q=Gihon Spring wikipedia]Gihon Spring[/url], and on archaeological excavations revealing sections of the Bronze Age and Iron Age city walls and water systems. 


The "Mount Zion" mentioned in the later parts of the [url=https://www.bing.com/search?q=Book of Isaiah wikipedia]Book of Isaiah[/url] (Isaiah 60:14), in the [url=https://www.bing.com/search?q=Book of Psalms wikipedia]Book of Psalms[/url], and the [url=https://www.bing.com/search?q=First Book of Maccabees wikipedia]First Book of Maccabees[/url] (c. 2nd century BCE) seems to refer to the top of the hill, generally known as the [url=https://www.bing.com/search?q=Temple Mount wikipedia]Temple Mount[/url].

I've heard it taught, but can't find it at the moment, that God has ordained the land of Israel to encompass all of the Greater Levant.

Levant is the name applied widely to the eastern Mediterranean coastal lands of Asia Minor and Phoenicia (modern-day Turkey, Syria, and Lebanon). In a wider sense, the term can be used to encompass the entire coastline from Greece to Egypt. The Levant is part of the Fertile Crescent and was home to some of the ancient Mediterranean trade centers, such as Ugarit, Tyre, and Sidon. It is the homeland of the Phoenician civilization.

lol, see how complicated this lucifer stuff is?.....i think you two are on to something....i'll sit back and read on this one....

In the scriptures and other text the whole connection of mountains with God and also the place where the descent of (Angels,Sons of God,Watchers) occur is eye opening.

 Why does there always seem to be that connection?

If you look at a mountain it also takes on the appearance of a pyramid. I believe all pyramids were built as a symbol of a mountain. A symbol of The Mountain of God,a symbol to reach the heavens,a symbol to be close to the gods, or maybe a symbol where the gods ascend and descend.

I believe the (Angels,Sons of God,Watchers) had great knowledge of the Throne of God and the Heavenly City. When they the gods,these Sons of God descended, they brought that knowledge with them and had these structures built to attempt a type of copy of the Heavenly City.......As above,so below.

I believe the Tower of Babel as Heaven attained upon an elevated platform falls in the same line of thinking as a mountain.

You only need to look at Jacob's Ladder,Moses receiving the Law from God upon Mount Sinai,the Watchers descending upon Mount Hermon and also in the future when Christ feet touch upon the Mount of Olives.

Why is the mountain or structure reaching high as a mountain so important?

One thing to remember is that The Adversary and his followers will always attempt to copy.

And Mt Graham  - great subject  - Thank you.

Ah !  Another mountain to look up.  

I agree with ScaRZ post.   

And now my own opinion.  I think angels tended to the earth for goodness knows how long before God created man.  The Greeks, I think it was, believed in 4 ? previous earth ages?  Doesn't matter.  We can't handle the one we're in....lol.

So regardless, satan's pride initiated his fall.  It seems a legitimate statement that he was not about to subservient himself to this 'dirt creature', man.

Just from the Garden we get a good picture of satan's ways:  lying, deceitfulness, defiance, temptation to disobedience, planting doubt against God's Word, the awareness of sin, vengefulness, arrogance, jealousy, murder, etc.  And the biggie:
The Adversary.

Mountains are 'high places'.  The place of power.  Desired strategically. Emulating 
Authority, ruling over, closer to heaven, etc.

In a Spiritual understanding, it speaks to being set apart from the cares of the world, the issues of life.  To come into the rarefied air, separated from the activities of the 'natural' man.  As Moses had to 'ascend the mountain' to meet with God.
The "Wise men" of the east, if they were Kings,  may have been advised by the Rishis-the holy men of the time, who retreated to mountain caves to commune with God.
The  monasteries in the Himalaya's as the Buddhist, Tibetan, Hindu monks.
There are some Truths in all of those teachings.  

I happen to believe that there was never a time that the Awareness of the One True God was not available to the earth.  But it suffered GREAT perversions in the hands/minds of man, or was rejected outright due to the 'present ruler of this world', who is still functioning today except in those who have Overcome by the Lamb.
Jesus said His Words will never perish.  That even the rocks would cry out His Word.

Back to earth.  I see it's Rob Skiba who has a big Nimrod study.  And Josh Peck with Shinar.
So I'll make an effort to hear their research, but it could be awhile.
They both wrote prior to the election, correct?

At the moment I'm having trouble bridging the centuries.  We've had some terribly ruthless rulers with the same goals throughout history.  We've seen it's too easy to fool people. And other rulers back him for the period of one hour.  (whatever that means in terms of 6000 years). (I wonder if it works out to be 7 years or 3 1/2 years.  That would be interesting.)

From all we've read and experienced right up to this last election, the '1000 points of light' of the New
World Order was 100% poised and ready to fulfill Babylon.  And that structure is by no means anywhere near defeated.  But it sure has been interrupted.   And it sure is an epic battle, global in scope and intent.  As it must be.

We are 71 years into a nation born in a day.  I'm willing to go to 72 years and count from the day the proclamation went forth to form the nation of Israel. (and at least one other here is willing to consider that as well).

Have some prophecy buffs goofed up and taken Jesus' words about 'this generation shall not pass away till all these things be fulfilled' as endtimes prophecy, when in fact it was meant for the nation and the temple of that day only?
And Jesus said a generation is 70 years, (bingo-temple down) and blessed is the one who sees 77.

Maybe my last problem with a Babylon rising is what country has the military might to take out this nation (the U.S.) and 'rule the world'. 
(I might have just heard Mike say Mystery Babylon could be the USA.) 
BUT CYRUS, she says.  The prophetic voice, she protests.  

I guess we're just nowhere near, except that one asteroid, one super volcano, one big nuke could change everything. Not to mention "aliens from space", the thought of which just REALLY, REALLY ticks me off! 
Besides, we're expecting a man, not an alien.

dove, i never said "mystery babylon" was america....ever....there are TWO baylons, literal which i said america was and the mystery baylon, the woman that rides the beast.....this is the false religion....the two baylons ARE NOT one and the same

michael371 wrote:

dove, i never said "mystery babylon" was america....ever....there are TWO baylons, literal which i said america was and the mystery baylon, the woman that rides the beast.....this is the false religion....the two baylons ARE NOT one and the same

Oh, sorry.  So, the Babylon of the OT is only a 'type' ?

And was there a 'type' of false religion also attached to that Babylon at the time of Nimrod?  Did it have a name?

Dove wrote:

And was there a 'type' of false religion also attached to that Babylon at the time of Nimrod?  Did it have a name?

Babylonian Mystery Religion is what most call it today.

In ancient Babylon were born the false beliefs that have spread like a cancer into I believe every religion. I'm not going to beat around the bush......" False Christanity is full of them."

The god of Babylon was Bel which is I believe to be the same as Ba’al meaning lord or master. Another name was Merodach, who was a Babylonian god of war. In the Hebrew language the name was Baal. He was the sun-god consort Ashtoreth or Ishtar.

Jeremiah 50:2........"Declare ye among the nations, and publish, and set up a standard; publish, and conceal not: say, Babylon is taken, Bel is confounded, Merodach is broken in pieces; her idols are confounded, her images are broken in pieces."

Thanks for that, ScaRZ.  Straight A to B uncomplicates everything. 

One very important thing to never forget.

We are suppose to be one in The LORD not one with man outside of The LORD. 

Man coming together as one outside of The LORD is antichrist in nature. This is an (instead of) world system,this is Babylon. 



I certainly believe The LORD gave the population a universal language. When they continued to rebel The LORD stepped in and took away the universal language (tongue) in order to have them move away from one another. When they couldn't understand one another a massive confusion (babel) was the order.

The tower can be seen as an attempt being equal with God........."Genesis 11:4........"And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth."

By spreading the people outward into the earth at Babel God was able to prevent man from gaining more knowledge too quickly. The workforce split into small nations instead of one massive unit. Those with great minds separated from one another.

With every great mind on earth together in accord and of one language,plus a massive workforce nothing would be restrained from them accomplishing without divine power stepping in to prevent it. When I say nothing I mean "Nothing". I know it can be hard to believe but that is the case by what scripture teaches.


KJV

Genesis 11:6........"And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do."

ESV

And the LORD said, “Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them.

I've covered some of this before but now I'm going to dig a little deeper.

I believe there are spiritual forces that would love to figure out "How to become a living soul without the need of the life giving spirit from God.".........."Or has this already occured in the past.......(The Days of Noah)?

We know before the flood of Noah some spiritual forces [Watchers,Sons of God] came and took wives and were they able to give their spirit side to their offspring without the spirit coming from God? 

Now I believe they may very well be looking another direction. When their offspring died the spirit side remained here on earth and are what are known as demons,evil spirits,devils and unclean spirits. 

Some of these demons are held captive in the Abyss alongside their fathers the fallen Watchers [Sons of God,Spirit Men]. I believe the fallen spiritual forces of The Adversary would love to give a rebirth in Body and becoming a living Soul to these demons that came from their fathers the fallen Watchers. I believe this could be part of what all the abductions are about,and who knows they may have already been successful.

I believe these forces may know how to create a body and or maintain one.  But they may not have figured out how to give life to the body to become a living breathing soul.

A demonic spirit may attempt to enter but can it bring life to a body ....."Can it become a living soul?.....[I don't believe so].

Much like in the legend of the vampire, the demons or evil spirits can't enter your house without being invited in. I see demonic spirits in the same light. Once you open up the temple of God [The Body] and invite them in, then and only then can they enter. So if there is no life in a body,the evil forces remain locked out of the Temple.

They then must be able to find a way to enter a body and bring life. They need full control to be that being, not just a suggestive control as they now have with humans. Demons may possess an individual but still that individual must do the deeds.They want to be the whole makeup that has full control,the living soul [Mind,Will and emotions].


I have wondered over the years if this event could be part of what occurs when the Abyss [Bottomless Pit] is opened and Abaddon rises.

Ecclesiastes 12:7........"Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it."



Did God give The Spirit to the Fallen Watchers (Sons of God) offspring (The Nephilim) or did the spirit side come from their fathers (Watchers,Sons of God)?


This could be the reason the dead Nephilim spirits could not return........"Because God never gave them their spirit side." In other words they never received the breath of life from God to become a living breathing soul.

i could go for a few tomatoes.

Did you guys know that the Vatican and it's courtyards are shaped like a key? And when Cern was fairly new, it looked like a lock from above, though they must have changed the landscaping since then. It's probably just a coincidence.

lol, there are no coincidences

michael371 wrote:

my question is >HOW< did he become a gibbori?

This is a great question and one that I've thought about for years. A lot of people have written about this but none seem to hit home for me. If Nimrod was fathered by someone other than Cush then maybe we have missed something from scripture.

In Genesis 10:7 why does it list Cush's sons without Nimrod?......."Why is Nimrod left out and then is later placed in verse 8? This has always seemed strange to me that Nimrod is mentioned right after the two grandsons of Cush that came through Ramaah. 


Genesis 10:7-8


And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtecha: and the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan.


And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.



begat [yalad]..........Some Bible scholars do not believe this Hebrew word (yalad) necessarily means “fathered”. In other words Nimrod could carry the blood of Cush without being his pure 100% blood son......."Nimrod could have been his Grandson and Cush raised him." One of Cush's daughters could have been Nimrod's mother. 

This takes us back to Genesis 3......."The seed of the serpent." Was and Is Nimrod the true son of Satan (The Adversary)?

Jesus Christ is the literal Son of God.  The Antichrist (Nimrod) is the  literal son of Satan.


Some Bible Versions seem to fit well with this line of thinking of Gensis 10:8.

NASB

Now Cush became the father of Nimrod; he became a mighty one on the earth.

RSV

Cush became the father of Nimrod; he was the first on earth to be a mighty man.



When I get some free time I will add something more that is very interesting.

Eagerly awaiting  .  This study really fascinates me-  The whole Ham thing..and what if anything is mentioned about Noah's wife the mother of his sons- Ham's actions etc..

Revelation 9:1....."And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit."



I see the "Star"=[him] as a Messenger who will descend to the earth with the "Key" that will make it possible to open the bottomless pit (Abyss). I believe the "Key" to be a knowledge that this Messenger will possess and must have in order to unlock this realm. As we read in the next verse Revelation 9:2....."And he opened the bottomless pit." 


Many people believe this Angel (Messenger) that is given the key will be none other than Satan himself,but I don't believe it could be. This same Angel that was given the key to unlock the Bottomless Pit (Abyss) I believe will be the same Angel that soon after will cast Satan into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him.

Notice closely that this angel that is about to lock Satan in the Abyss is not given the key......."He already has it." I certainly can't see Satan having the key to unlock the Abyss,then use the same key to lock himself up. Notice it's "The Key".........One Key.


Revelation 20:1-3


And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.


And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,


And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.




When Abaddon and his hordes are released this in my opinion begins what I call the final countdown. They have been restrained for a long time now in the deepest part of the Abyss. The restrainer will stop restraining and only then will the key be used. In other words the restrainer will "Stand Down." 

I also believe the offspring (Nephilim) that were born of women were a living soul. Their fathers could never return to their first estate and just as those spirits were confined to a prison,so also were the spirits of their dead offspring. The spirits of the dead offspring were to remain as wandering spirits on earth. I do believe many of those spirits have been confined in the same prison as the Fallen Sons of God and no longer wander upon this earth. 

True humans on the other hand are living souls who were given the spirit from God. When the true human flesh side dies it returns to the dust of the ground while their spirits return to God.

These Nephilim spirits are the unclean spirits and demons who seek as a never ending hunger a body. They will not be resurrected and receive a heavenly spirit body. Their spirits will one day perish as will all those of the heavenly host who rebelled and became adversaries of God. All their destinies were sealed a long time ago. They now continually seek a way around their fate.

One of the things that separate the Nephilim from true humans is that one spirit returns to God while the other doesn't.

If Nimrod is the literal son of Satan (The Adversary) then he is a Nephilim. His spirit side at this point in time would be locked in The Bottomless Pit (Abyss)........."The Evil Seed awaits his release."

Excellent!

you're probably right scarz

I find it strange that in The Bible it never mentions Nimrod having any children. Now we certainly know that there are many,many legends of this man. 

In one legend Nimrod's mother was Semiramis the daughter of Cush. The legend has it that Cush by mating with his daughter Semiramis had a son Nimrod. Of coarse I think the first part could be true...."Nimrod's mother was Semiramis the daughter of Cush." But instead of Cush being the father it could have been Satan (The Adversary) as father to Nimrod. This would seem to fit better with the legend because Semiramis claimed that Nimrod was 2/3 god and 1/3 mortal.

Only begotten makes Jesus Christ (The Word) "Unique" from all the other Sons of God. All other Sons of God are part of creation. All the other Sons of God plus all the heavenly host (Armies of God) were a creation.

I believe The Father and The Word (Jesus Christ) are co-creators.

They are "Unique" from all other Elohim. The Sons of God, all the Messengers (Angels),and all heavenly host are a product of The Father and The Word (Jesus Christ). I believe through the "Spoken Word" creation was born. As is said over and over in Genesis......."And God said, Let there be......." This is why The Word is co-creator with The Father. I do not believe for one second that Jesus Christ (The Word) was a creation. This is what makes Jesus Christ (The Word) "Unique" from all the other Sons of God. All other Sons of God are part of creation.

We as followers and believers in Jesus Christ through his shed blood and accepting the pardon he purchased for all of us are Sons of God. 

Michael Heiser in my opinion is one of the very best on this subject.

Just over the last several years I can see where things are going in this whole world we live in. One of the main goals is all about building a foundation on a New Age Gnostic spirituality. What I'm seeing isn't just the foundation but now the structure is coming up from the foundation. In other words we aren't just in the beginning stages any longer.

With this undertaking this venture is to build a new "Tower Gospel" for the coming of The Antichrist. The New Age Gnostic agenda is pushing forward to blend into all (religions,faiths,spirituality's). 

Beware my friends of sharp sweet tongues that are all about mixing a little of this and a little of that to pour into a giant mixing bowl. Never are we to devise in any form a compromise becoming acceptable to "The World".

1 John 2:15........"Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him."

you are spot on scarz, my friend!....i am slowly re-reading "the hidden dangers of the rainbow" by constance cumbey and its really interesting to see how she had the future pegged....she is off on a few things ( as of right now) but to see how accurate she was back in 1973(?) concerning the new age gnostic gospel....i can't help but think about the global witness, derek broes....the dude started off with a "wow" but slowly exposed his true agenda over time....it is sad because the guy was a good communicator but Christ and gnosticism just don't mix....i have the "gnostic gospels" right here next to me, no i don't, my wife must have moved it cleaning up the clutter....

unforunately, this country is in a moral decline that we will not pull out of....the truth is, its over and its downhill from here

Re: THE ANGEL WITH THE KEY TO THE BOTTOMLESS PIT.

I bumped into this :
Note Peor=Baal Peor
The lord of opening/ the lord of the open holes

This mentions the Lesser Key of Solomon, which I've always wanted to look into.
So if you know anything, please post it.

Just think for a second about how clueless the Pharisees were at Jesus Christ first coming. I would say most people will be just as clueless at his second coming. Think about all those gathered to fight Jesus Christ as he returns.

Who is it the vast majority believe they are waging war against?.........."Aliens from other worlds?"

The Antichrist is certainly great at deceiving The Whole World to unite and "War". What words does he speak to get planet earth to follow him into battle?........" Whatever these words are they will become the ultimate poison."