The Bible,Ancient Text and The Spiritual World

You ever notice how when putting a jigsaw puzzle together you just can't seem to find the piece that fits in a certain spot but someone walks by the table and reaches down picks up the piece that snaps right in


Yes, or trying to find my hammer or trowel. The harder that I look, the less chance that I have to find it, and its within 6 feet of where I am standing. Damn right, similar things like that are story of my life,lol

Scarz, here is a link that might help with understanding my position(and will definitely spell it out better than I can) on fascism/nazism being part of the last days final kingdom(7th)
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/fascism-and-communism--flip-sides-of-the-same-collectivist-coin/96382293/

Any temple that is built in Israel and any sacrifices that are made there is an abomination in my eyes and a complete rejection of Jesus Christ blood shed on the cross. This temple rebuilding idea is a Luciferian/Masonic doctrine. I can't understand how pastors that claim to be believers and followers of Jesus Christ would support and attempt to influence their congregations to give support to a new temple construction.

A building absent of God is just another building. True believers and followers of Jesus Christ are now The Temple of God. The Spirt of God lives in each member of The Church (The Body of Christ) and It has nothing to do with a physical stone built temple. We are to offer up spiritual sacrifices not animal sacrifices.


1 Peter 2:5 ........"Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ."



True believers and followers of Jesus Christ are fitted together, growing into a holy temple in the Lord for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit. 





Ephesians 2:19-22


Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;


And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;


In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:


In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.




1 Corinthians 3:16........ “Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"


1 Corinthians 3:17........ “If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are."


1 Corinthians 6:19........ “What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?"


2 Corinthians 6:16........“And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people."

Well, finally got my computer internet back up and am so happy to be reading on the forum again  after many days.
  Things are moving fast it seems, and I bad needed my dose of logic from here . What a time to have only the media for news..  Thank ya'll .

bordercollie wrote:

Well, finally got my computer internet back up and am so happy to be reading on the forum again  after many days.
  Things are moving fast it seems, and I bad needed my dose of logic from here . What a time to have only the media for news..  Thank ya'll .

It's great to see you back again Bordercollie.

I'm so glad you brought up The Temple Michael it is one great study. I've learned that it is so much deeper than most view it. With scripture we must learn to search the subject and it moves from a small piece of the puzzle into a gathering of "MANY" pieces that fit into the subject.

I'm going to continue laying out some things I believe connect to the subject of The Temple. I don't want to leave this discussion behind. In my opinion it is just much too important. I will add to the topic when I get the time but if you Michael or anyone else has something to add please do so.

The temple is a type and shadow of Christ. Its laid out to represent a human body. I did not realize that until a few years ago. My internet was down for the last few days, so I am catching up. If I can find it, I'll link a video concerning the temple. Rather fascinating video

I remember that Mike.  This is a link to similar information.  I'll keep looking for the video.    http://www.templesecrets.info/

This is a video by Michael Hoggard  on it.    It's long  at at  1 hr:13m .  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56QJ45cHCmQ

This is something very few even consider when the subject of The Temple of God comes up. Most think the words that Jesus spoke were directed towards Heaven when he said "In my Father's House" but I see it in an entirely different light. I would say most think of this as believers being taken to Heaven by the rapture where everybody lives in their own mansion.

But is this what Jesus was referring to when He says “My Father’s house”?

John 14:1-4


Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.


In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.


And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.


And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.



Let us now go back to then and bring it forward to now. I'm sure all of us remember when Jesus was 12 years old and was found by Mary and Joseph teaching teachers that were amazed by him. What was the reason Jesus told Mary and Joseph why he stayed behind in Jerusalem? Let's read the answer in Luke 2.

Luke 2:49-50


And he said to them, "Why were you looking for me? Did you not know that I must be in my Father's house?"


And they did not understand the saying that he spoke to them.


There is no doubting Jesus was referring to the Temple as "In my Father’s House", not Heaven. 


Next I will go to John 2 when Jesus found them selling oxen, sheep and doves in the Temple and got angry driving them out. Once again we can see that "My Father's House" is The Temple,not Heaven.

John 2:16


And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.



With both of these examples of "My Father's House" in Luke 2 and John 2 being The Temple and not Heaven why would the words of Jesus be any different in John 14? 


But what would The Temple be today? 

Jesus in John 14 is speaking not of a stone built Temple but rather The Temple that is a spiritual temple made of believers (The Body of Christ....The Church).

1 Corinthians 3:17........ “If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.”



I will lay out my thoughts on the many mansions when I get some more free time.

I don't want the post to be too long......"I learned a long time ago that if you have too long of a post most people will not read it."

I know I'm getting off topic some but I could not let this go before I placed it in the thread. 

1 Corinthians 3:17........ “If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.”


This is exactly what will occur in the last days when many will defile their Temples. Think of this in The Book of Revelation when it comes down to The Falling Away,The Coming of The Antichrist,and The Mark of The Beast. People will defile their Temples and God is going to destroy them.

The many mansions or rooms as some versions of The Bible have it I think is easy to understand. The word used in the KJV of The Bible "Abode" is a place of residence; a house or home. All believers together form the Temple and individually we are the many mansions or rooms within the Father’s house. I think Jesus lays it all out for easy understanding in John 14. 

John 14:23


Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.


And Yes! Jesus Christ said also in John 14........"I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself …”

This in my opinion is all about building The Church........"to build up from the foundation.” This is what it's all about adding and adding,building and building,preparing and preparing until one day the outcome becomes a finished product. Everyone who believes has in the past,is in the present,and will on into the future be added to His Church......."The preparing,the building the adding continues."

Matthew 16:18 


And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

For a long time, I did not understand what the temple was all about, nor did I understand that it was a shadow of things to come. Even down to the "Holiest of the Holies" Only ONE man was allowed inside there and that was the priest who was a type of Christ and everything had to be done according to absolute perfection. One slip and the priest died.  It is quite a mysterious ceremony if one does not understand and like I posted in an earlier post, it has not been all that long that I began to understand the temple and who Jesus really was. Oh, I had the usual answers that most Christians give and they are not wrong answers, but to grasp on the fact that Jesus/Yeshua was God almighty and come to realize that as truth was a real revelation to me. Bordercollie remembers it. Speaking of Bordercollie, she is kinda' in tune with things that can't be seen, on a much higher platform than me, with a lot of strange things happening to her. She never posts a lot but that is not due to a lack of knowledge of the real truths contained in the bible. She is a truly gifted individual and its time(when she gets time because she is very busy) she shares that gift with us more than she does. She has a hunger and a gift of of understanding scripture far beyond the average person has and its time that ability came out of the closet.
Anyway, the priest enters in the H o H, the throne of God. What does the H of H represent? The heart of man. Throne of God is the heart and the priest is a type of Christ. Only ONE man has lived in sinless perfection and that was Jesus and He presents Himself to the Father in the throne room. The heart is a representation of the life being/life force of man and since only God is the only source of life that heart/life is where God dwells. The apostle John was the first apostle to grasp this and you can see it in the first chapter of his gospel. You can see Paul go from a life of hypocritical,self-righteous life of filthy rags of a works led life, to the understanding of the mystery of Christ, and to have the scales removed to see what the entire OT writings were really about. Strangely, Not a lot folks view the book of Revelation correctly They call it "the revelation of John" or the book of revelations" etc. People completely read over the "Revelation of Jesus Christ" in the header. The revealing of who He really was..
I'll finish this in the morning. Its getting daylight and I have a lot of things to do while its cool. Scarz, don't let me forget it, because there is a lot more to the temple being an abomination than most people think

michael371 wrote:

Scarz, don't let me forget it, because there is a lot more to the temple being an abomination than most people think

I will do my best to let you know if you appear to forget. You did a very good lay out on The Temple.

Thanks also to Bordercollie for the Hoggard video on The Temple.

I don't think the vast majority of believers understand just how deep all this goes. It's an abomination that defiles a believers Temple when they fall away (Apostasy) from the True Jesus Christ and follow after a false christ. 

I will carry this even to the point of bringing The Antichrist into this subject. Let me be very clear about this. If a believer falls away (Apostasy) The Spirit of God will no longer reside in their Temple (Body). The very spirit of antichrist can and will enter their Temple (Body). This is how The Antichrist can and will sit in The Temple of God. What was The Temple of God now has become The Temple of Antichrist. This defiles the very Temple of God and is an abomination.

Thanks Scars and Mike.  Mike gave  me the Hoggard link years ago and so I was able to find it on line but not in my mass collection of downloaded dvds. 
   I agree.  This makes much sense such as when a demon is cast out of a person and isn't replaced with good, even more demons can go back into that person.    
   I think certain drugs can open the door for a demon to enter our temple. For example in our nearby little town a fellow got hooked on drugs and beat his father to death and almost killed his mother as well. After the drug induced rage was over , he killed himself  (after he realized what he had done).  The evil one is after each of us and we have to be strong and keep our eyes wide open... Those evil thoughts creep into our temple, ever so gently through media .
 I don't know nearly enough scripture as ya'll do , but thankfully  I can also  feel the Lord's presence   and talk to him during the day giving thanks for Him helping me make it  thru the tribulations of the day. .  I am given "happys"  and know where they come from. I'm amazed every day.  ( I wish ya'll could see my baby peacocks- who could  ever doubt  His presence    after seeing such .) Maybe later, a post in "on the lighter side" if I can do it securely.

Very good post Bordercollie!!

I think if we just look at our drug crazed country it's certainly a mess. If we only look at the huge problem with prescription drugs and not even get into the others it tells a very sad and troubling story.

Thank you. As I read this, a thought crossed into my mind... What do we call the sides of our heads just behind our eyes... temples..  wow !

Have you ever read this verse of scripture and let it sink in exactly what it says? 


Revelation 17:5


And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.


The very old Babylonian Mystery Religion was and still is the Mother of........"What?"......Not just one Harlot but Harlots. Mother Harlot has given birth to a multitude of Harlots. All the many religions that carry with them any of the teachings and traditions of Mother have spread out into The World. And let me get this straight......"It's not just about those other religions that are "Of The World",it's also a massive and I do mean massive amount of so called christian faiths that are Harlots."

The title "christian" can and is "Worldly" worn,but does that title they worldly wear place them in The Body of Christ?......."No it doesn't". It only places them in the same worldly melting pot with "All False" religions,faiths,beliefs and their doctrines practiced throughout this earth.

Just to make this clear......"Anything that is worldly worn is not of God." Worldly separates from God,it doesn't draw to God.

John 15:19......."If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you."

bordercollie wrote:

 
   I think certain drugs can open the door for a demon to enter our temple. For example in our nearby little town a fellow got hooked on drugs and beat his father to death and almost killed his mother as well. After the drug induced rage was over , he killed himself  (after he realized what he had done).  The evil one is after each of us and we have to be strong and keep our eyes wide open... Those evil thoughts creep into our temple, ever so gently through media .
 

We can only push things away so long. It continues to eat at us like a cancer gaining ground. One way or the other we can only hide,or run so long. All anyone needs to do is look at how many people are pill/drug junkies. We humans will try anything to escape the real issues that haunt the very souls we are.

We were born into tribulation and must learn to face it head on. We can't hide or run from it,or tribulation multiplies deep within us.

We now think a pill/drug is "The" answer. A pill/drug to manipulate the brain,force it to counter what the soul that you are is screaming for.

Ever notice that Jesus ain't too impressed with the temple? You would think that the history alone would cause Him to have a nostalgic respect for it? Oh, He was pissed when He came upon them using it for a commercial enterprise, but He didn't seem too upset to know that it would be destroyed four decades later. That temple was not the same temple that was built under Zerubbabel . This a temple that had been remodeled and expanded under Herod. What made this so different? The answer lies in Herod I himself. He was an Edomite( Edomite means "not my people" or in some cases "red" or as we say today "Arab") A whole lot of people think that Ishmael was the father of the Arabs but that is false. Ismael was the father of what is known today as the Saudi Arabians who actually had 12 princes of their own. God promised Hagar that her childs children would have great wealth and who is sitting on a black gold mine? Herod was a descendant of Esau who by Law should have had the birthright but God hated him even before he was born( doctrine of election in play here). This the same guy that had all of the male babies massacred in his attempt to deny the coming of the Messiah. Herod was actually called "The King of the Jews". Now, is this the guy that God would pick to put in a new floor of the temple? The Herod that killed John the Baptist was his son because Herod I died in AD 4. Josephus records all of the events. I find it interesting that a descendant of Esau was placed in a position of power over the rightful birthrite people of Jacob. A birthrite that was sold for a means to preserve his body and therefore his physical life. Kinda' like a type and shadow of anti-christ?

Now, was Herods restructuring of the temple a foreshadowing of a futuristic attempt to restructure the real temple? The human body? Genetics to change man into something that is not the image of God? Now we are hearing about UFO's on a daily basis. Society is being set up for something that is going to shake the foundation of every man,woman and child. I am convinced that there is exactly zero life on any other planet. None....period!....I am convinced beyond any doubt that there is SOMETHING out there in another plane of existence, or dimension that we catch glimpses of from time to time that defy all logic. They are what they are, think of Jacobs ladder. Angels coming and going, and what we see or just small pieces of beings, some good and some not, slipping in and out of plane of our 3D environment.

So, just as the Pharisees changed the Law to reflect their own desire for wealth and power( Christ even called it YOUR LAW) the temple of Jesus's time was changed from its original floor plan and Herod paid a price for that. As best as I can tell, the Jews rebelled and fought against the temple of Herod, or at least most of them. Josephus witnessed clashes between Jews and Roman soldiers during the construction.

Looking into the history of the temple is some interesting stuff. Here is an interesting read, in summation style:

https://overviewbible.com/who-was-herod/

michael371 wrote:

Genetics to change man into something that is not the image of God? Now we are hearing about UFO's on a daily basis. Society is being set up for something that is going to shake the foundation of every man,woman and child. I am convinced that there is exactly zero life on any other planet. None....period!....I am convinced beyond any doubt that there is SOMETHING out there in another plane of existence, or dimension that we catch glimpses of from time to time that defy all logic. They are what they are, think of Jacobs ladder. Angels coming and going, and what we see or just small pieces of beings, some good and some not, slipping in and out of plane of our 3D environment.

The subject of UFO'S and ET is a strange one indeed. I have thought about and studied this subject for many years. Now lets take this topic and say 100% is fact, that there are visitations by outside forces taking place. 

The biggest question I have is if "They"ever get to the point of revealing themselves to the inhabitants of this planet (Earth) what is going to occur to the human fabric that already is very weakened?

I take a wager a big rip is about to form in the fabric.


I predict people will see the same thing, but interpret it VERY differently.


Those who have "Doubts" in their Faith will crumble away as soon as they see "Other Life". 


Lets just think only about the three major faiths (Jewish/Christian/Islam) how it would effect them. I view it as "Many' within their faith based systems would see it as "A lifting of the shackles" that have "Restrained" them. 


There are going to be some nasty times ahead.

Can I pop this here? I don't want to start the day with this ugly thing.  BUT, wouldn't you just know it?

Not even 2 minutes in and I heard this, “I want you to understand that what happened in the Garden of Eden had to do with an alien. It was not just a snake that Adam named, it was Satan and he came from another place. He was not from the earth!”
 
Man, what a hook!
 
Never heard of Pastor John Kilpatrick – don’t know anything about him. I just ran across this and got good and hooked. This is right up Michael371’s alley – reminds me much of the Bramley book “The Gods of Eden” in places though the message is somewhat different.
 
At around the 22 minute mark he gets into Genesis 6 – at 42 minutes he goes into UFO deception and the coming June 2021 mandate to publish an official report on UFO’s. That’s only next month peeps, right around the corner. How many official UFO reveals have we been seeing the past few years? The Tic-tac video in 2017, the Pentagon acknowledging that delta looking craft wasn’t ours in 2021, etc. Then he gets gnarly with the great falling away and great deception, and more.
 
There be some Nephilim in this too. I hope y’all will enjoy this video.
 

Show Notes wrote:

May 18, 2021 A prophetic sermon on preparation for the end-times from Pastor John Kilpatrick.
 

LENGTH: Tad under 1 hour and worth every minute.
 
"WHAT IF...?" It's Coming and Be Prepared! | A Prophetic End-Times Message from John Kilpatrick
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zefdWiPht3I

I have this downloaded  Researcher. Thank you.  I can't wait to listen to it !

The military was engaging in war games, and had created a safe zone. While they were dog fighting a UFO shows up and engages in dog fighting (chasing). When they cancel the game the UFO goes to the exact middle of the safe area.  

The segment ( Obama Confirms UFOs) starts at 25:27, the event in question starts at 31:29. Just look at the bottom of the page and you will see it.

https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/BMDC3567910388?selected=BMDC2295010860

I only got the audio but will try again after I get off. Thank you though.

bordercollie wrote:

I only got the audio but will try again after I get off. Thank you though.

Bordercollie, megaphone is audio only so what you got was all that there was to get. The BlazeTV site is probably what you want to check for video (if it's even there) however it is a paid subscription site.

www.BlazeTV.com/Glenn

BTW - I couldn't find any video for this through any of the normal video sites - even on Glenn Beck's U-tube channel. I'm interested to see it too.

I watched the John Kilpatrick video and I agree with some of it but not all. What really got my attention was when he said everything he says he can back up in The Bible. In my opinion he is no different than all of us. He does some speculating because The Bible does not give every little detail. 
A great example is when he began talking about Eve never hearing direct from God that they (Her Husband Adam and Herself) could eat of every tree in The Garden except The Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil.

I'm going to go in Genesis 2 first, right where he began using scripture. There is no doubting in Genesis 2 The LORD God is speaking directly to Adam (The Man).


Genesis 2:15-18


And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.


And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:


But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.


Now lets read Genesis 3 where Eve (The Woman and Wife of Adam) comes into the picture.


Genesis 3:1-3


Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?


And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:


But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.


We have no idea if The Woman (Eve) heard it directly from The LORD God as did The Man (Adam). We do not know exactly how she got the message. The Bible never points out every little detail of everything or every encounter. The Woman never said to the serpent her Husband The Man (Adam) had told her what The LORD God had spoken to him that they were not to eat or touch the fruit of the tree which was in the midst of the garden.

John Kilpatrick may be correct that The Woman never heard it directly from The LORD God......"Only from her husband The Man (Adam)." But the text does not say this at all. So it becomes nothing more than what he believes or thinks on the subject........"He is speculating."

ScaRZ wrote:

The military was engaging in war games, and had created a safe zone. While they were dog fighting a UFO shows up and engages in dog fighting (chasing). When they cancel the game the UFO goes to the exact middle of the safe area.  

The segment ( Obama Confirms UFOs) starts at 25:27, the event in question starts at 31:29. Just look at the bottom of the page and you will see it.

https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/BMDC3567910388?selected=BMDC2295010860

Commander David Fravor is a badass Top Gun fighter pilot, and in 2004, the Cmdr. Officer of VFA-41 - the Black Aces. On November 14th of that year began a typical Sunday for Cmdr. Fravor. About 100 miles S/W off the coast of San Diego, it was 70 Degrees and clear skies and an average wind speed of 3 mph. But this wasn’t a typical day. Not at all.

The Nimitz Carrier Strike Group was preparing for deployment to the Arabian Sea, with routine pre-deployment workups. Starting on November 10th the USS Princeton had been detecting multiple AAVs (Anomalous Aerospace Vehicles… UFOs), operating in and around the vicinity of the Strike Group. The vehicles of unknown origin and function were tracked on radar, with returns descending from far above the radar’s scan volume - somewhere higher than 80,000 ft. The targets would drop from above 80,000 ft to hover roughly 50 ft above the water in a matter of seconds. An impossibly fast rate of decent. And from what I’ve been told, at ICBM trajectories. 

On the 14th, Cmdr. Fravor launched with his WSO (Weapons & Sensors Officer), into the clear blue sky. Their Call Sign was FASTEAGLE 01. Cmdr. Fravor was flying a F/A-18F Super Hornet when he received vectors to an unknown contact. A controller on the USS Princeton with the call sign “POISEN” asked, “What ordnance do you have on board?”. This was an odd request, due to the fact Cmdr. Fravor was NOT in an active combat area, a hot-zone. He replied that he had no live ordnance. This was real-world tasking. 

He then preceded to the location of the contact, located it visually… and went after it. The Anomalous Aerospace Vehicle outmaneuvered anything imaginable by modern / advanced human technology. The craft of undetermined origin and unknown operators… displayed flight characteristics far beyond current propulsion technology known to man or even understood within current physics. This event has become one of the best documented UFO close encounter cases in history. 

I’ve been working on this case for a long time, years before it became the tip of the spear about government confirmation or acknowledgment of UFOs. Before this case was publicly known, I was hunting for the truth and establishing dialogue with the key witnesses involved… most of which I have never spoken about publicly. Cmdr. David Fravor is included in that. Over that time we have developed a rapport, and this interview is an important aspect of my efforts to find detailed clarity on this case… extinguishing the noise and raising the signal. 

Cmdr. Fravor IS the primary witness to this astonishing UFO event series.  Over the years, I have come to understand and appreciate his integrity, professionalism, humor and candor. We should listen to what Cmdr. Fravor has to say, as his testimony has become part of the fabric of our time. Cmdr. Fravor is the real deal; and that’s just something you’re gonna have to come to terms with.

For those of you who remember, the Tic Tac UFO case is one that I reported on, on Coast to Coast AM with George Knapp, both in May and October of 2017. 


(In Part 1)
Best start at 6:00,Dog Fight starts at 13:00,UAP returns to "Cap Point" at 21:17

Part 1

Part 2

2021_05_21 Trey Smith - Nachash: Seed of the Serpent in Genesis
 
I’m putting this out here because this is a brand new video and because some folks really like Trey Smith. Personally I don’t have much use for him other than for entertainment, and he is entertaining (in small doses). The guy is like that steel ball in a pinball machine - all over the place and I don’t hang well with that. Your results may vary though so here it is.
 
LENGTH: 1 hour 38 minutes
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hUgy5SrYAs

The Bible tells us that many will reject the truth. All the great signs and wonders will  draw people into the net. People love the signs and wonders and this will make it much easier for them to be deceived and believe a lie. 

I believe we have been visited by outside forces or forces beyond our realm for thousands of years. Some people believe we are now part of something that's only been occurring within the last 100 years. You can't help but see this link in ancient civilizations and cultures as far back as one can go. I believe they've had their fingerprints on and around us for thousands of years. 

I have wondered also if some of these outside forces are rather inside forces. They seem to have a liking for the waters of the oceans of planet earth. A number of sightings have them going in and out of the oceans. I would say we probably know less about the oceans as a whole than we do about space.

This is something I've touched on several times in this thread and also the first thread. I'm going to put it this way........"I believe we have been living in tribulation for a very long time." Most want to make the tribulation all about a final seven year period of time. I do not believe this at all. I do believe however that the "Great Tribulation" has not began as of this date in time.


Matthew 24:21........"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."


We have been in the “last days” it did not start just recently. We are in it, the apostles were in it. Just reading Hebrews 1:2 is an eye opener and spells it out clearly.


Hebrews 1:2........"Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;"

Sometimes I think we have to think about prophecy in two different ways. Some passages of scripture are like a movie......."It has a beginning, a middle and an end."

Other passages of prophetic scripture are like snapshots that are not movies, but snapshots taken at different points of the prophecies.

Revelation 14:4 is speaking of the 144,000 as being virgins not defiled with women. In The Bible at times a pure woman is a type of the pure church; a wicked woman is a type of a false church. I have wondered if these defiled women spoken of here in Revelation 14 are false churches/religions.

Revelation 14:4


These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.


The 144,000 remained pure,they kept their virginity. They never bed themselves with the false religious systems that are the Harlots. These 144,000 carry with them the seal/mark/name/number of God The Father. They remain a virgin and await The Bridegroom. 

We as believers and followers are to remain a virgin,we are to remain a waiting bride,until The Bridegroom arrives. At that point in time the virgin bride (The Church/The Body of Christ) marries The Bridegroom and becomes his wife. 

The Bridegroom Jesus Christ is able to present her (His Bride) to himself as radiant without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.

Ephesians 5:25-27


Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;


That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,


That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

I don't think the 144,000 are churches or false religions because it is spelled out pretty clearly that there are 12,000 from each tribe of Israel. It seems pretty certain that these are individuals. There has been a lot of talk about these 144,000 and who they may be. Other than that, its really only speculation but I am certain that its in the Old Testament  somewhere. In types and shadows, it is there but I cannot make anything click into my head. Notice, the "first fruits" clause in the scripture. The first fruits,being a gardener myself, are almost always your best produce with fewer blemishes. I just don't really have enough knowledge concerning them to even guess who they are

michael371 wrote:

I don't think the 144,000 are churches or false religions because it is spelled out pretty clearly that there are 12,000 from each tribe of Israel. It seems pretty certain that these are individuals. There has been a lot of talk about these 144,000 and who they may be. Other than that, its really only speculation but I am certain that its in the Old Testament  somewhere. In types and shadows, it is there but I cannot make anything click into my head. Notice, the "first fruits" clause in the scripture. The first fruits,being a gardener myself, are almost always your best produce with fewer blemishes. I just don't really have enough knowledge concerning them to even guess who they are

 
You got it all wrong Michael. I never said anything about the 144,000 being churches or false religions. These are pure......"They are virgins." They follow Jesus Christ...."They are 100% True Christians."

They have not been defiled with Harlots/Women (False religions,False churches). They stay on the true path and always follow Jesus Christ.

The Women/Harlots are the false churches/religions......"Not the 144,000"

michael371 wrote:

Notice, the "first fruits" clause in the scripture. 

Yes you are correct they are the "First Fruits" of the first resurrection. I have long wondered if the 144,000 is a  literal number or is it symbolic....."A perfect 12,000 (not 11,997 or 12,003) from each tribe". Have you ever noticed in The Bible that the numbers always seem to round themselves off. 

For example, Numbers Chapter 1 has the numbers for the soldiers of the tribes as follows:

46,500/ 59,300 / 45,650/ 74,600/ 54,400/ 57,400/ 40,500/ 32,200/ 35,400/ 62,700/ 41,500/ 53,400

2 Samuel 24:9,10 shows 800,000 soldiers for Israel and 500,000 for Judah in the census. Each time there was a count for the soldiers, the numbers ended in zero.



Paul lays things out so well in 1 Corinthians 15:20-23 about the "First Fruits".


But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.


For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.


For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.


But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

I have some thoughts that I would like to express in this post as well as the UFO thread but I type with a thumb and four fingers and my right index finger is injured. It was difficult enough but almost impossible now. The joint is inflamed, I'm pretty sure because as long as I don't use it, it doesn't hurt. I'm  reading but I am giving this another day or so. The UFO thing is not going away, I don't think

michael371 wrote:

I have some thoughts that I would like to express in this post as well as the UFO thread but I type with a thumb and four fingers and my right index finger is injured. It was difficult enough but almost impossible now. The joint is inflamed, I'm pretty sure because as long as I don't use it, it doesn't hurt. I'm  reading but I am giving this another day or so. The UFO thing is not going away, I don't think

Michael.....I feel for you wanting to type and can't. I was beginning to wonder if something was wrong with you. When you do get better please add some material here as well as the UFO Thread.

I'm going to continue posting material in the UFO Thread that is going to cover many different areas. This does not mean I believe everything I place in the thread. I just want to attempt for myself as well as others to lay it out and try and pull out the core of the story.

Here I believe are two verses of scripture that give a clue who Gog might be. Here The Lord GOD is speaking to Gog. The Lord GOD has spoken to his prophets of Israel about The Lord GOD bringing Gog against them. 

Ezekiel 38:16-17 


And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.


Thus saith the Lord GOD; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?


The Assyrian is spoken of as The Rod of GOD'S anger against a godless nation which is Israel. Israel and all their idols has brought this against them. 


Isaiah 10:5-6


O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation.


I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets.


As we know later on The Lord will turn his fury on The Assyrian.


Isaiah 10:12


Wherefore it shall come to pass, that when the Lord hath performed his whole work upon mount Zion and on Jerusalem, I will punish the fruit of the stout heart of the king of Assyria, and the glory of his high looks.




Ezekiel 39:7-8


So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, The Holy One in Israel.


 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken.


The phrase The Holy One of Israel occurs many times in The Bible and is speaking of The Messiah. The phrase "The Holy One in Israel" occurs only once in the KJV version of The Bible and that is in Ezekiel 39:7. As we read the verses above in Ezekiel 39:7-8 we see at this point in time that The LORD is The Holy One In Israel. Is this a clue that Jesus Christ is now physically present IN Israel after Ezekiel's war?

I think the acorn on his head means he was a nut job.  LOL.

The movie "Eternals" to be released in November of this year reminds me of what took place with The Watchers (The Fallen Sons of God). They make a parody of their biblical pre-history and jam it into a thin disguise as a tale of Super Hero's.


What is said early in the clip "We have never interfered". This is exactly what The Watchers were all about...."Watching over mankind" until they came. 

The movie trailer shows the Eternals shaping civilization. 

There is no doubting in my mind that God protects believers from entities. As long as we wear the armor of God's protection the entities can not enter our temple. Once we shed the armor we become fair game for entities to enter our temple. You can't play around with entities because what some may think of as a game, to them is much more than a game.

If a believer begins messing around with entities, you are inviting or allowing them to enter. Your temple has now become defiled and God will abdicate his throne seat in your temple. You now become fair game for entities to take the throne seat.

ScaRZ wrote:

There is no doubting in my mind that God protects believers from entities. As long as we wear the armor of God's protection the entities can not enter our temple. Once we shed the armor we become fair game for entities to enter our temple. You can't play around with entities because what some may think of as a game, to them is much more than a game.

If a believer begins messing around with entities, you are inviting or allowing them to enter. Your temple has now become defiled and God will abdicate his throne seat in your temple. You now become fair game for entities to take the throne seat.

You know what I think about when I see and read things like the post quoted in this post? Politicians, wealthy elite, world leaders, Hollywood actors.etc.  It seems like that group acts different and has a deep hatred for us normal people,especially Christians. Who inhabits their temple? They seem to be amoral and about as corrupt as one can imagine,even to the point of being involved with ritual abuse of children. Like I have said time after time, "they walk among us" and have been here for the time period that we can consider as "the days of Noah" of modern time. The days of Lot are certainly here with all of the sexual depravity and degenerate behavior that has been pushed to the forefront of our society. Whats wrong with these "people?" Don't they seem very different than us normal, sinful humans? We are wretched creatures for sure, but dayum, these creatures act more like an animal than one of us.

In a nutshell my view of the situation is more than just man being in a depraved condition, but these are also in a reprobate genetic condition. Their DNA is different. "The seed of the woman"..............."and thy seed".....TWO DIFFERENT SEED LINES!!! Most assuredly a spiritual seed line but a physical one as well. A seedline that allows and is prepared to allow a spiritual takeover by evil entities. This post can be considered in conjunction with the UFO thread because it becomes pretty obvious that the UFO phenomenon is tied directly to a scriptural reference of spiritual beings. Physical beings cannot operate outside the laws of physics that cannot be violated, such as say, a "craft" doing a 90* turn at a speed of 12,000 mph+/-. It just can't happen. A spiritual being operating in and out of two different planes of existence? That is an entirely different matter,altogether.

There is something other worldly going on right now, but unfortunately on a few see it. There are two worlds operating on planet earth right now

michael371 wrote:

Like I have said time after time, "they walk among us" and have been here for the time period that we can consider as "the days of Noah" of modern time. The days of Lot are certainly here with all of the sexual depravity and degenerate behavior that has been pushed to the forefront of our society.

Yes Michael!!! We have been in the “last days” it did not start just recently. We are in the last days, the apostles were in the last days also. Read below how Paul mentions that he was in the last days. 

Hebrews 1:2........"Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;"

I believe the last days began after Jesus Christ ascended into heaven. The Holy Spirit was poured out into the world and Jesus Christ began breaking the seven seals.

People want to think that a couple thousand years is a long time. No it isn't, its only two days in the mind of The Lord.

2 Peter 3:8........"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

Here is something I doubt very few consider when reading these words written in Daniel Chapter 12..............."knowledge shall be increased".

When The Watchers (Fallen Sons of God) came long before the flood in the days of Noah there was an explosion of knowledge brought to humanity. 

What is The Book of Daniel telling us that is going to take place/that is taking place?........."The very same thing that took place in the days before the flood." 

I believe it is important to ask why would knowledge increase in the last days?...... "Because the "Visitors" are here, just as they were in the days before the flood."

The words "As it was in the days of Noah" certainly ring loud doesn't it?

I have mentioned a few times how in The Book of The Watchers (Enoch) these Fallen Sons of God will in the last days be released. A very important thing that a lot of people overlook is what is said in Enoch about The Watchers........."their spirits assuming many different forms"

Exactly Scarz, but how many people see this? Very damn few

Especially Liked this, Michael:

There is something other worldly going on right now, but unfortunately on a few see it. There are two worlds operating on planet earth right now
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And they're about to collide. 

I think that I see a gradual shifting over to a reprobate mind,even down here on the south. Notice how the RINO's are beginning to embrace homosexuality as treat it as "normal" behavior instead of the the depraved and degenerate behavior that it is. Look at the Southern Baptist election this past week that the disciples of Billy Graham carried out. Rather than stick with conservative principles, the elected a compromise candidate to appease the african-american ( or whatever they're calling themselves this week. The only reasons that the SBC let them in the first were political posturings) group. You reap what you sow and it will be just a short while before the SBC goes the way of the Presbyters/Eiss-ters/Methodists,etc into false doctrines and the sovereignty of man, in which they have been teetering on the edge of for decades. Billy Graham destroyed the sound doctrine that the SBC was founded on. If you read the SBC Charter and Declaration of Faith from its founding in 1865 you will find that they have completely changed their doctrine from a belief in the Sovereignty of God to the doctrine of the Sovereignty of Man and I witnessed them do it during my lifetime.
Its daylight so I have to go to the garden now, but just look around at how people act now as opposed to your childhood. Its as it something different is controlling them now. Notice how ^^^^****** stupid, ignorant and gullible they are,especially kids. Kids, as a rule, cannot think for themselves. A  friend of ours is a teacher and its hard to believe some of the stories that she tells us, especially in our part of Alabama. I grew up here and if you ****** around, you better not get caught. I did and I learned how to NOT get caught. An ass whuppin' from my daddy made you adjust quick