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PostSubject: The Bible,Ancient Text and The Spiritual World   The Bible,Ancient Text and The Spiritual World I_icon_minitimeWed Oct 28, 2020 5:08 am

I think it's time for a new title. The thread can lead in many different directions and anyone who cares to post something feel free to dive in.


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The new title change looks intriguing and opens up a whole world of possibilities. I can’t wait to see it take off with some good discussions. For anyone new arriving at this thread, this can be considered as a continuation of the two links below. I pray God blesses this thread and anyone reading it with many new understandings, and may we have plenty of good deep discussions.
 
As promised this topic has earned a long overdue pin.
 
 
https://watchermeet-up.forumotion.com/t21236-will-we-love-the-darkness-more-than-the-light
 
https://watchermeet-up.forumotion.com/t23766-will-we-love-the-darkness-more-than-the-light-part-2


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PostSubject: Re: The Bible,Ancient Text and The Spiritual World   The Bible,Ancient Text and The Spiritual World I_icon_minitimeWed Oct 28, 2020 11:53 am

As far as the offspring of the Watchers and women,they were called the mighty men of old,warriors of renown. If they had females as well as males I've never seen it mentioned. But one thing for sure the bloodline had to find it's way into both women and men. Who can say that tinkering with the {genetics,DNA} was not in the mix also? 

If Watcher and mixing with women was all there was and it only produced a male offspring every time then was their offspring also sterile like mixing a horse with a jackass and producing a mule? 

No matter how it happened they finally corrupted the bloodline or the genetics of almost all mankind.

There were different types of Nephillim {Giants,offspring of the Watchers} that turned on each other killing, eating the flesh and drinking the blood.This is mentioned in the Book of Jubilees when it names some of them. 


Book of Jublilees Chapter 7

21] For owing to these three things came the flood upon the earth, namely, owing to the fornication wherein the Watchers against the law of their ordinances went a whoring after the daughters of men, and took themselves wives of all which they chose: and they made the beginning of uncleanness.


22] And they begat sons the Naphidim, and they were all unlike[Not alike; different], and they devoured one another:and the Giants slew the Naphil, and the Naphil slew the Eljo,and the Eljo mankind,and one man another.

23] And every one sold himself to work iniquity and to shed much blood, and the earth was filled with iniquity.


24] And after this they sinned against the beasts and birds, and all that moves and walks on the earth: and much blood was shed on the earth, and every imagination and desire of men imagined vanity and evil continually.


25] And the Lord destroyed everything from off the face of the earth; because of the wickedness of their deeds, and because of the blood which they had shed in the midst of the earth He destroyed everything.

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PostSubject: Re: The Bible,Ancient Text and The Spiritual World   The Bible,Ancient Text and The Spiritual World I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 29, 2020 11:38 am

This is something I posted back in the first thread that I'm going to bring in here. It's something I don't think many believers see as I do.

Genesis 2:17........"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

The verse above is misunderstood by a great deal of people. I believe it is very clear what "in the day" means. 

2 Peter 3:8........"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

Outside of The Bible in The Book of Jubilees it lays things out very well. It's speaking of Adam who died at the age of 930.

Jubilees 4:30........"And he lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: 'On the day that ye eat thereof ye shall die.' For this reason he did not complete the years of this day; for he died during it."

Somewhere in (inside of) the time period of a day (1,000 years) Adam would die. Methuselah got closer to the 1,000 year point than any human has........"969".

Genesis 5:27........"And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died."
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PostSubject: Re: The Bible,Ancient Text and The Spiritual World   The Bible,Ancient Text and The Spiritual World I_icon_minitimeSat Oct 31, 2020 5:15 am

Nimrod and the Hybrid subjects in my opinion are very important. I see the New Age as nothing more than the same spirituality as it was in the days of Nimrod.

The spirit of antichrist is the driving force behind this push. The New Age religions have stolen many things from Gnosticism. Gnosticism has pieces spread out through many different religions.

 Like so many they speak correctly about some things,then when they have snared people's attention,they will insert diversion,dissension and teaching that is directly opposing The Word of God.

Always remember....."don't trust in everyone"......."watch them closely"......"don't let down your guard around them"......."let their on very words defeat him".

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PostSubject: Re: The Bible,Ancient Text and The Spiritual World   The Bible,Ancient Text and The Spiritual World I_icon_minitimeSat Oct 31, 2020 8:40 pm

I just saw a tweet from someone who thinks what's going on, this battle, happening whenever, now?  In the past as well? is between satan and Lucifer.

I think we've established that none of us would think that.  And I really can't grasp how that Anon came to think that. 

I think they are the same entity.  I believe you and Mike think they are different entities.
But it made me wonder if they are separate, then what again do you all see as the relationship between these two?

I don't mean to task you with another laborious explanation.  Hopefully I'll remember with a short explanation, if you might have the time and inclination.  Thank you. Wink


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PostSubject: Re: The Bible,Ancient Text and The Spiritual World   The Bible,Ancient Text and The Spiritual World I_icon_minitimeSun Nov 01, 2020 5:10 am

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I just saw a tweet from someone who thinks what's going on, this battle, happening whenever, now?  In the past as well? is between satan and Lucifer.

I think we've established that none of us would think that.  And I really can't grasp how that Anon came to think that. 

I think they are the same entity.  I believe you and Mike think they are different entities.
But it made me wonder if they are separate, then what again do you all see as the relationship between these two?

I don't mean to task you with another laborious explanation.  Hopefully I'll remember with a short explanation, if you might have the time and inclination.  Thank you. Wink

Great to see you Dove. I was beginning to wonder if anyone was going to post in the new thread. Anytime you have something to ask or post please do so.

Yes! Dove you are correct I no longer believe Lucifer and The Adversary (Satan) are the same entity.

I have thought over the last few years that The Adversary (The Dragon) as well his messengers (Angels) do not always see eye to eye with one another. Just think about this for a few minutes and maybe you will understand why I say this........"These guys are full of sin just as we humans are." Do we really think for one second that they are always of one mind and work together with sin bringing about jealousy and anger among them? Just like we humans the hunger for power is a cancer. 

As even a bigger picture of this I believe that 70 Sons of God were given rulership at Babel over the nations of the earth when God caused them to spread out into the earth. These Sons of God did not rule as they were suppose to,and to this very day they war with one another. Just look at The World today and it's greed,power and jealousy that's always in the mix.


When I have some more time I will lay out my thoughts why I've changed my mind about Lucifer and Satan (The Adversary) beginning the same entity.

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When I have some more time I will lay out my thoughts why I've changed my mind about Lucifer and Satan (The Adversary) beginning the same entity.

This below is one of the main reasons Lucifer can not be Satan. Satan is not a man at all,he isn't even part man to be called a man. You can't find anywhere in scripture where Satan is referred to as a human being. 

This whole lay out is about one being,it never changes from one to another.

Isaiah 14:12-16


How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!


For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:


I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.


Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.


They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;


Most people take these verses from Isaiah to be about Satan/Lucifer but they are about The King of Babylon who was Nimrod/Asshur. These verses fit like a glove when thinking back to the Tower of Babel. Nimrod is dreaming in his mind about the Tower stretching into the heavens where he sits on his throne. The Stars of God are The Host of Heaven/Angels/Sons of God where Nimrod dreams of his thrown being above all of them. Nimrod sees himself becoming like The Most High.

Lucifer is not Satan. Lucifer is just another name for Asshur/Nimrod/The King of Babylon the same man who built Babylon after the flood. He also founded the land of the Chaldeans as well as Assyria. This man carries many,many names from the peoples of all those nations that were scattered at Babel.

 He was worshipped as the Assyrians primary god. If we read Genesis10:8-11 he is named as both Nimrod and Asshur. Notice how the lay out of the verses are just a continuation........."Nimrod is Asshur".........He went out of the land and built Nineveh,Rehoboth and Caalah.

Genesis 10:8-11


And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.


He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD.


And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.


Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah,


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PostSubject: Re: The Bible,Ancient Text and The Spiritual World   The Bible,Ancient Text and The Spiritual World I_icon_minitimeSun Nov 01, 2020 11:49 am

I appreciate the explanation, ScaRZ.  
The verses of satan that I always thought fit is that he frequented heaven as the accuser of the brethren night and day, but was CAST OUT, which makes me think of Lucifer. 
And that no man ascended to heaven before Jesus did. 

The words you ascribe to Lucifer-Nimrod, I've always attributed to satan. 
But I'll keep pondering it.  Thank you very much. Wink !
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PostSubject: Re: The Bible,Ancient Text and The Spiritual World   The Bible,Ancient Text and The Spiritual World I_icon_minitimeMon Nov 02, 2020 5:15 am

Dove.....Here are some interesting things to consider.


Isaiah 14:12


Look how you have fallen from the sky, O shining one, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the ground, O conqueror of the nations!

The NET version of The Bible uses ‘sky’ for ‘heaven,’ with the following note: “Or ‘from heaven’ (the same Greek word means both ‘heaven’ and ‘sky’).” This does not mean as most think it is referring to The Heaven where God The Father is located.


A foot note in the New English Translation (NET) reads.........“What is the background for the imagery in vv. 12–15? This whole section (vv. 4b–21) is directed to the king of Babylon, who is clearly depicted as a human ruler. Other kings of the earth address him in vv. 9ff., he is called ‘the man’ in v. 16, and, according to vv. 19–20, he possesses a physical body.” 

Lucifer is not a proper name, but is the Latin word for ‘morning star’ or ‘day star.’ 

If the primary referent is to the Babylonian king (which the great majority of biblical scholars would affirm and as the evidence mentioned in the NET Bible footnote lists), then our understanding of the use of ‘morning star’ in 2 Peter 1:19 makes sense. The morning star literally referred to Venus, but in ancient times it was used metaphorically of earthly kings.

The note in the NET Bible at 2 Peter 1:19 is helpful along these lines:

The reference to the morning star constitutes a double entendre. First, the term was normally used to refer to Venus. But the author of course has a metaphorical meaning in mind, as is obvious from the place where the morning star is to rise— “in your hearts.” Most commentators see an allusion to Num 24:17 (“a star shall rise out of Jacob”) in Peter’s words. Early Christian exegesis saw in that passage a prophecy about Christ’s coming. Hence, in this verse Peter tells his audience to heed the OT scriptures which predict the return of Christ, then alludes to one of the passages that does this very thing, all the while running the theme of light on a parallel track. In addition, it may be significant that Peter’s choice of terms here is not the same as is found in the LXX. He has used a Hellenistic word that was sometimes used of emperors and deities, perhaps as a further polemic against the paganism of his day.
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PostSubject: Re: The Bible,Ancient Text and The Spiritual World   The Bible,Ancient Text and The Spiritual World I_icon_minitimeMon Nov 02, 2020 6:48 am

Lucifer is a LATIN word and was not in the Hebrew Masoretic text. "Heylel ben Shakur" was the term that the KJV translators could not rightly translate so they robbed "Lucifer from the Vulgate of Jerome which means "light bringer"....Heylel ben Shakur is "son of the morning star" in Latin. Its speaking of the god Apollo who is the son of the morning star Venus. (nimrod, semiramis and tammuz). I only care what the test says so is Lucifer satan?..Probably, but the framing of the text does not indicate that 100%...Hash it out, i have firewood to split today
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PostSubject: Re: The Bible,Ancient Text and The Spiritual World   The Bible,Ancient Text and The Spiritual World I_icon_minitimeMon Nov 02, 2020 7:23 am

Peter Goodgame did some great work on this subject. I will post it below and all credit is to be given to Peter Goodgame.
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This brings us now to Isaiah 14 and to the enigmatic references to Lucifer and the King of Babylon. The context of this passage must not be misunderstood! It is spoken by Israel against the King of Babylon after the Day of the Lord has ended and after the people of God have gained victory through trust in the Messiah. I will break it up into three parts with my commentary added:


1.  The LORD will have compassion on Jacob; once again he will choose Israel and will settle them in their own land. Aliens will join them and unite with the house of Jacob.


 2.  Nations will take them and bring them to their own place. And the house of Israel will possess the nations as menservants and maidservants in the LORD's land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors.


 3.  On the day the LORD gives you relief from suffering and turmoil and cruel bondage,


 4.  you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: “How the oppressor has come to an end! How his fury  has ended!


 5.  The LORD has broken the rod of the wicked, the scepter of the rulers,


 6.  which in anger struck down peoples with unceasing blows, and in fury subdued nations with relentless aggression.


 7.  All the lands are at rest and at peace; they break into singing.


 8.  Even the pine trees and the cedars of Lebanon exult over you and say, "Now that you have been laid low, no woodsman comes to cut us down."


 9.  The grave below is all astir to meet you at your coming; it rouses the spirits of the departed to greet you-- all those who were leaders in the world; it makes them rise from their thrones-- all those who were kings over the nations.


 10.  They will all respond, they will say to you, "You also have become weak, as we are; you have become like us."


 11.  All your pomp has been brought down to the grave, along with the noise of your harps; maggots are spread out beneath you and worms cover you.


 12.  How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!”


The name “Morning Star, Son of the Dawn” is Helel ben Shakar in Hebrew, or “Lucifer, Son of the Morning” in the KJV. If we view this person as the end-times Antichrist rather than Satan then it makes perfect sense. He is taunted by Israel after his final attempt to rule over the nations comes to an end. He is the “rod of the wicked,” the very same Asshur that carried a rod and beat Israel down in Isaiah 10. The King of Babylon is Asshur, also known as Nimrod, the one who originally built Babylon which was the site of the Tower of Babel. Also, notice in verses 16-17 below that he is not a fallen archangel (Satan), but merely a man. The text continues…


13.  You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain.


 14.  I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High."


 15.  But you are brought down to the grave, to the depths of the pit.


 16.  Those who see you stare at you, they ponder your fate: "Is this the man who shook the earth and made kingdoms tremble,


 17.  the man who made the world a desert, who overthrew its cities and would not let his captives go home?"


 18.  All the kings of the nations lie in state, each in his own tomb.


 19.  But you are cast out of your tomb like a rejected branch; you are covered with the slain, with those pierced by the sword, those who descend to the stones of the pit. Like a corpse trampled underfoot,


 20.  As a garment defiled with blood shall not be pure, so neither shalt thou be pure; because thou hast destroyed my land, and hast slain my people: thou shalt not endure forever, —thou an evil seed. LXX


 21.  Prepare a place to slaughter his sons for the sins of their forefathers; they are not to rise to inherit the land and cover the earth with their cities.


 22.  "I will rise up against them," declares the LORD Almighty. "I will cut off from Babylon her name and survivors, her offspring and descendants," declares the LORD.


 23.  "I will turn her into a place for owls and into swampland; I will sweep her with the broom of destruction," declares the LORD Almighty.


Modern translations conceal the Hebrew reference to the “evil seed” whereas the LXX brings it right out. It is sperma poneron (singular) in Greek, better translated as, “Thou shalt not endure forever – evil seed.” The allusions to Genesis 3:15 are obvious. The end-times King of Babylon is the “evil seed,” the Antichrist that will rise again in the end-times.

The concluding sentences of this great prophetic passage of Isaiah bring us back to where we started in Isaiah chapter 9 and the outstretched hand of the Lord. For some reason some Bibles act as if Isaiah 14:24-27 is meant to be separated from the previous section on the King of Babylon, but that is clearly not the case. This is the final word on what the Lord has been saying since he accused Israel of having a heart desiring to rebuild the Tower of Babel. It began with the Lord saying four times, “Yet for all this, his anger is not turned away, his hand is still upraised.” And here is where it ends:


24.  The LORD Almighty has sworn, "Surely, as I have planned, so it will be, and as I have purposed, so it will stand.


 25.  I will crush Asshur in my land; on my mountains I will trample him down. His yoke will be taken from my people, and his burden removed from their shoulders."


 26.  This is the plan determined for the whole world; this is the hand stretched out over all nations.


 27.  For the LORD Almighty has purposed, and who can thwart him? His hand is stretched out, and who can turn it back?



Asshur is Lucifer, the King of Babylon. He is the Antichrist, the evil seed of the Serpent -- the Son of Satan. He will be destroyed by the Messiah by the very breath that comes from His lips when He returns.

Saint Victorinus wrote the very first line-by-line commentary on the book of Revelation. He lived in the second half of the third century in Slovenia and died as a martyr. Here is what he wrote about Asshur, quoting from Micah 5:5-6, which is another text that states that the Messiah will deliver Israel from Asshur in the end-times:

For we also read in the Gospel that the prayers of the Church are sent from heaven by an angel, and they are taken up by a holy angel against the outpouring of wrath and the darkness of the kingdom of Antichrist. For he says: Pray that you might not fall into temptation. For there will be great suffering, such as has not been from the beginning of the world; and except the Lord shortens those days, there would not be any flesh saved upon the earth. Therefore, He will send these seven great Archangels for the piercing of the kingdom of Antichrist. For as He also says in the Gospel: Then the Son of Man will send His messengers, and they will gather His chosen ones from the four winds, from the end of heaven to its (other) end. And he says before: then there will be peace in the earth, when seven shepherds will arise in it, and eight attacks (lit. 'bites') of men, and they will encircle Assur, that is, Antichrist, in the ditch of Nebroth [Nimrod]: in the damnation of the devil.

Conclusion

Lucifer is Asshur, the King of Babylon. He is the Antichrist, not Satan. The Queen of Babylon is his unholy "bride." Parallel end time judgments on the King and Queen of Babylon are given in Isaiah 14 and Revelation 18. To properly understand Isaiah 14 one must understand Genesis 10-11 and the end times role of Nimrod as the first and the last of Satan's seven kings (with the first also appearing at the end as the "eighth").
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There is a huge difference between that of a very long life span and that of eternal life. Only those in Jesus Christ possess the gift of inherent eternal life. I find nowhere in scripture that The Adversary has anything more than just a long lifeline. The Adversary does not possess an eternal life......"The Adversary has never tasted of The Tree of Life." The Adversary is not and never has been in Jesus Christ. They are enemies......."They are at war."

There is no doubt in my mind that The Adversary as well as all Sons of God,Watchers,Angels and mankind were created to one day possess the gift of inherent eternal life. The Adversary had chosen long ago a different tree and then came along mankind that chose that same tree. 

Down the road it will be eternal for (All).........."But which eternal?".......(Eternal Life or Eternal Death)
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In Psalm 82 we can see how God let the Sons of God rule over the seventy nations of the world. This again refers to a Heavenly Divine Counsel as God is seen standing among the mighty congregation of Sons of God and judging among them. God gave them the authority to be rulers or princes over the nations and he will be the one to take the nations from the Sons of God. These seventy Sons of God as we read will also die as a man.


Psalm 82:1-8


God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.


How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.[Selah means we should pause and reflect on these words.]


Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.


Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.


They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.


I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.


But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.


Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.



Great verses that open up the big picture in understanding.


Isaiah 28:9-10


Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.


For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
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I can't make my mind up about the timing of Psalm 82. One thought is the nations were divided before either Babylon or Abraham came on the scene so there were no Babylonians or Hebrews around at that time for God to take his portion from - YET.

The other thought is it could also be smack in-between the Babylonian tower thing and people of like minds and language forming the nations, and the later formation of the Hebrews via Abraham.

The other OTHER thought is Psalm 82 taking place after Abraham was called out, The Lord walked between the sacrifice like a burning lamp (with Abe knocked out) and the covenant was sealed.


Any insight would be welcome if someone wants to tackle this. I've ruminated on this more than once. Still haven't reached a firm conclusion though I lean towards the after the Abraham covenant view.


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My view is much like that of Michael Heiser.

These gods are being judged for their corrupt administration of the nations of the earth having been granted that authority at the division of the nations at Babel according to Deut 32:8-9 (LXX,DSS)

8 When the Most High divided the nations, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the nations according to the number of the angels of God. 9 And his people Jacob became the portion of the Lord, Israel was the line of his inheritance.


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Deut 32:8-9

When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance,
when he divided mankind,
he fixed the borders  of the peoples
according to the number of the sons of God. 

But the LORD's portion is his people,
Jacob his allotted heritage.




The building of the city and the Tower of Babel is where God and the sons of God [Angels,Watchers] descend from heaven to earth and scatter the people. Nimrod the King of the world and who I believe to be a first type of Antichrist,along with the people were attempting to make a name for [themselves].

Jasher 9:31 And they built the tower and the city, and they did this thing daily until many days and years were elapsed. And God said to the [seventy angels] who stood foremost before him , to those who were near to him, saying, [Come let us descend] and confuse their tongues, that one man shall not understand the language of his neighbor,’ and they did so unto them.



I now will give my thoughts on the dividing of the nations. These are only what I believe and nothing more.


I believe God put the seventy Sons of God [Angels,Watchers] in charge and made them princes over the seventy nations of Man. For every Angel[Son of God] he was given one of the nations to rule. I also believe they were either of the Fallen Angels or they fell after they began to rule over each nation. God allowed the Sons of God to achieve a ruler ship over Man which led them being worshiped as gods. 

God chose the Hebrews later in time as his own nation, they were not of the seventy,but were all the gentile nations of the world. God gave all seventy nations to the seventy Sons of God[Angels,Watchers] but would keep the Hebrews for himself. They were to be his nation, his people.

Det 4:19 And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, [even] all the host of heaven [Heavenly creations,Angels,Sons of God] shouldest be driven to WORSHIP THEM, and SERVE THEM, which the LORD thy God hath [DIVIDED] unto [ALL NATIONS] under the whole heaven....... [See how God divided all the other nations but kept the Hebrews as his nation.] He is warning them[the Hebrews] not to start worshiping the other gods.


Det 4:20 But the LORD hath taken you, and brought you forth OUT of the iron furnace, [even] out of Egypt, to be [UNTO HIM A PEOPLE] of inheritance, as [ye are] this day.

The world was divided up according to the number of Sons of God that descended with God. Seventy was the number of members within this particular angelic order, this is why the Table of Nations of Genesis 10 lists exactly seventy descendent's of Shem, Ham, and Japheth, who made up the nations that were separated on the earth after the flood of Noah.

If you remember the gentile nations had to later be added into the fold. They were left out and didn't know the one true God. 

I believe there is a divine counsel of God and the Sons of God [Angels]. If you read in Job you will see it referred to and how Satan came in among them. You must remember Satan was never referred to as Satan until after his falling, but he yet was there with God and the other Sons of God. As you can see Satan was already doing his will,or what God would permit him to do on the earth.

Job 1:6-7


Now there was a day when the [sons of God] came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. 


And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. 

I believe this same heavenly divine counsel can be seen in Chapter 1:26 of Genesis when God says,"Let us make man in [our] image, after [our] likeness." Then later in Genesis 3:22 God says,"Behold, the man is become as one of [us], to know good and evil." I don't believe this only refers to the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit, but is referring to a divine counsel of the Sons of God.

You can see the Sons of God had free will,because they knew [good and evil]. We know they had to have free will or no Son of God[Angel,Watcher] would've ever fell as they did before the flood and later with their rulership over the divided seventy nations.


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Peter Goodgame takes a different twist in his thoughts that these Sons of God were already of a fallen nature before they were given the nations. Very interesting view.
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The Tower of Babel


By Peter Goodgame


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For the Pagan World it all began at the Tower of Babel. Paganism is a religious system that is based on the worship of fallen angels, and in Part Six we examined how the fallen angels were given authority over the nations of the world as a result of mankind's rebellious attempt to build the Tower of Babel. It was then that the nations were divided "according to the number of the sons of God" (Deuteronomy 32:Cool and given their different languages. It was a spiritual as well as a linguistic division of mankind. There are seventy names given in the Table of Nations in Genesis 10 which gave rise to the symbolic number of seventy Gentile nations and seventy Gentile languages in Jewish tradition. In fact the nation of Israel made atonement for the sins of the Gentile nations once each year on the Feast of Sukkoth when seventy bulls were sacrificed at God's Holy Temple in Jerusalem. Regarding the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD a Jewish Rabbi is quoted as saying, "Wo to the nations! They had suffered a great loss without realizing what they had lost. While the Temple existed the altar atoned for them; but now who will atone for them?"[2] What this Rabbi did not know was that the final atoning sacrifice on behalf of the nations had already been offered in the form of Jesus the Messiah.


While on this earth Jesus Himself made a symbolic reference to the "seventy" nations of the pagan world. Recall that at the beginning of His ministry Jesus was confronted by Satan, who boasted over the fact that he possessed authority over all the kingdoms of the world and that they had been "handed over to me" (Luke 4:6). This "hand-over" occurred as a result of the Tower of Babel event. In the New Testament Jesus refers to Satan as the "ruler of this world" (John 12:31, 14:30, 16:11), yet during His ministry Jesus also preached about the coming of the Kingdom of God that would put an end to Satan's worldly kingdom that was made up of "seventy" Gentile nations. In Luke 9:2 Jesus instructed his twelve disciples to "proclaim the kingdom of God," and then in Luke 10 Jesus appointed seventy (KJV, NASB) more disciples to travel throughout Israel and proclaim the very same thing. After this group of seventy disciples returned to Him, Jesus proclaimed that He had seen Satan "fall like lightning from heaven." The appointing of the seventy was a symbolic "shot across the bow" that signaled the inevitable triumph of God's kingdom over Satan and his fallen angelic host that ruled over the nations of the world.


In reading the different versions of the story related in Luke 10 it can be seen that some translations (NIV, ESV) record that the number of disciples that were appointed was seventy-two. Whether the original number was seventy or seventy-two the meaning behind Jesus' symbolic actions remains clear: He was announcing to the world that Satan's kingdom would fall and that God's kingdom was soon to arrive. The discrepancy between seventy and seventy-two crops up in other places as well. For instance, the Greek Septuagint translation of the Old Testament  was traditionally completed by seventy Hebrew scribes. Yet in the preface to the Brenton edition it states that the name Septuagint "derives from the tradition that it was made by seventy (or seventy-two) Jewish scholars..." The heretical Jewish mystical tradition known as Kabbalah explains that seventy refers to the number of nations ruled over by the (fallen) angels, but the more astrologically and mathematically-convenient number of seventy-two is arrived at by adding "Israel" and "Satan" to the seventy Gentile nations.[3] The 20th Century occult scholar Manly P. Hall even goes so far as to say that "wherever this round number is used by the Hebrews it really means seventy-two."[4] The early Kabbalists were strongly influenced by Egyptian paganism and Gnosticism, and within each of these traditions the number seventy-two was favored over seventy (see Part Six). Seventy-two is divisible by twelve, and is itself a divisor of the all-important number of 360, which is perhaps the simplest and best explanation for why the number seventy-two is preferred in religious texts of all types.


Despite the pagan preference for the number seventy-two there still exist pagan references to the original number of seventy. In the Ugaritic literature that has been unearthed by archaeologists in Syria it has been shown that the ancient Canaanites understood that the high god El had a council of exactly seventy divine sons. The Canaanites viewed El as an otiose, or inactive deity who had surrendered his authority over the earth to his sons who were ruled over by the god Baal. Scholars who have examined the epic known as the Baal Cycle have determined that Baal is simply the Canaanite form of the Babylonian god Marduk. In examining the evolution of pagan mythology in its Sumerian, Babylonian, Canaanite, and Greek forms, what we discover is an evolutionary process of "generational layering" that has distanced mankind from any sort of connection to an original, omnipotent, transcendent, and personally-attentive Creator. In Sumerian myth the "heavenly" god is the otiose god Anu, yet the Sumerians were disconnected and separated from Anu and ruled over by the combative brothers Enlil and Enki. In Babylonian mythology the epic known as the Enuma Elish names Marduk as the son of Enki, and Marduk becomes installed as the ruler of the "council of the gods" and of the world. In Greek myth Marduk is equated with Zeus, whose father was Kronos, whose father was Ouranos the far-distant and otiose deity that represented "heaven." Near the end of the Greek Empire the stage was set for yet another generational step that would have seen Apollo overthrow his father Zeus, just as Zeus had overthrown Kronos, and Kronos had overthrown Ouranos.


The number seventy also crops up in Egyptian traditions of Nimrod who was mythologized as the god Osiris. As pointed out in Part Six, the constellation Orion (the "Great Hunter" in the sky) was viewed as a representation of the spirit of Osiris, and this constellation disappeared from the night sky during the summer months for a period of seventy days. Orion was known as the constellation Sah, which is also the Egyptian word for "mummy," as well as the word for "spirit" or "soul." The seventy days of Orion's disappearance in the night sky was understood as the length of time between the death of Osiris and his "resurrection". This strange "resurrection," it must be pointed out, was not a resurrection to the world of the living, but a "resurrection" to a position of ruler of the land of the dead where Osiris became the "Lord of the Underworld." According to Egyptian tradition Osiris was the very first king to be mummified, which was a strange practice copied by the Egyptian rulers that followed him for almost three thousand years. In the strictly-controlled and highly-ritualized mummification process there was a waiting period of exactly seventy days between the embalming process and the actual burial of the corpse in its tomb.


The most provocative tradition that is associated with Osiris concerns his manner of death, as explained by classical historians such as Plutarch and Diodorus Siculus. According to Plutarch, Osiris was killed as a result of a great conspiracy involving his brother Set, the Queen of Ethiopia, and seventy-two other conspirators. Plutarch does not reveal the identity of these other conspirators, but Diodorus Siculus does. He writes [5] that the killers of Osiris were the titans, who were the gods allied with the Greek god Kronos, who is the same as the Sumerian god Enki identified in Part Six as Satan himself. From this information we can begin to recreate the "divine council" scene when God decreed the destruction of Nimrod and his global empire, which was necessary to enable the "division of the nations" into the hands of the fallen angels at the momentous Tower of Babel event. God's response to the Tower of Babel is explained in Genesis 11:6-7, which includes an appeal from God to a group of beings that surrounded Him:


"The Lord said, 'Behold, they are one people and they all have the same language. And this is what they began to do, and now nothing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them. Come, let us go down and there confuse their language so that they will not understand one another's speech.'"


The Book of Jasher is a non-canonical book that is mentioned in Joshua 10:13 and 2 Samuel 1:18, and it explains the identity of the "us" that God refers to in Genesis 11,


"And they built the tower and the city, and they did this thing daily until many days and years were elapsed. And God said to the seventy angels who stood foremost before him, to those who were near to him, saying, ‘Come let us descend and confuse their tongues, that one man shall not understand the language of his neighbor,’ and they did so unto them." (Jasher 9:31)


These seventy "angels" are in fact the very same titans that conspired in the decision to kill Nimrod/Osiris. They are the fallen angels who took part in the program to divide mankind by giving the nations different languages. However, to begin this "division" it was necessary to eliminate Nimrod himself, which was a judgment to which the fallen angels/titans willingly agreed.


The Egyptians knew Nimrod as Osiris the son of Geb, who was the Egyptian "earth god" linked with Nut the "sky goddess." The Greeks knew Geb as Kronos whom they also connected with the early Sumerian god Enki, which is a name that means "Lord of the Earth." In Part Six of this series it was shown that Enki was a direct representation of the fallen angel known as Satan the "ruler of this world." In examining the historical Nimrod we find that he was the first Satanically-inspired king to expand his kingdom by means of murder after the flood, which was a crime that was expressly prohibited in Genesis 9:6. Prior to the flood the fallen angels had interacted with humanity with very negative consequences and then, after the flood, it appears that Satan himself crossed this boundary again and became the primary influence on Nimrod. Through Nimrod mankind became united against the Creator, by conquest and by seduction, which was a rebellion that culminated in the attempt to build the Tower of Babel.


The "division of the nations" was the consequence of this rebellion. It was a judgment against both Nimrod and the entire world. A global empire was dissolved, but in its place appeared a divided world of many nations and many languages, with each nation spiritually controlled and manipulated by a fallen angelic power, who were themselves subservient to their leader Satan. At the Tower of Babel Satan agreed to give up his united world kingdom under Nimrod in exchange for a divided world of many kingdoms, with the understanding that his period of authority over the earth would be temporary and that he would ultimately face judgment. Before his judgment, however, Satan will once again exercise authority over a united world empire which will, once again, be ruled by Nimrod after his resurrection from the dead. In examining the symbol in the book of Revelation of the seven heads that represent seven Satanic kings we find that Nimrod the Antichrist is the first and the last; he is of the seven, but also an eighth, because he appears a second time when his soul comes out of the Abyss. In this way the Pagan Era, during which the majority of mankind has been ruled over by the fallen angels, will come full circle before it is brought to an end at the Second Coming of the true Christ, the true "Alpha and Omega," Jesus of Nazareth.
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PostSubject: Re: The Bible,Ancient Text and The Spiritual World   The Bible,Ancient Text and The Spiritual World I_icon_minitimeMon Nov 16, 2020 5:03 am

Session 1 of our Supernatural Seminar from Dr. Michael Heiser, Author of Supernatural: What the Bible Teaches About the Unseen World - and Why It Matters.



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This will be a must watch today.


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This will be a must watch today.

I've been watching them today and most material of his I'm already very familiar with but man it got my mental jucies flowing again. We all need to be jump started every now and then.
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This will be a must watch today.

These will be a must watch over the next couple of days. Almost five hours for the entire four sessions and I'm gonna enjoy every single minute. Below is the time break down in chronological order. Just browsing part one I see slides, lots and lot of slides.

1)  52 min
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Michael Heiser brought up again that at the Genesis fall of The Adversary he never drew one third of the angels (Stars of Heaven) to follow him at that point in time. Michael points to this event not taking place until around the time of the birth of Jesus Christ in Revelation 12.

This certainly brings up a whole different mindset of events and how they are understood. I really never thought about this until I heard him speak on this subject some time back. Very interesting and something I must study on much deeper.

I love his view on why is the world so wicked and that it wasn't just what happened in Genesis 3. It wasn't just one event but was three events.

1.....The Fall (Genesis 3)

2.....Sons of God (Genesis 6:1-4)

3.....Babel (Deut 32:8-9, cp Psalm 82)


I've watched three of the sessions and hope to watch the fourth today.

Great teaching throughout all four sessions. Michael Heiser makes it easy to listen and understand.
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This life is a great wilderness lacking understanding the many mysteries of the ages. A vast wilderness of doubts,questions,trials and tribulations that mold us into the souls we are, as well as who we will become. Into this great wilderness we all came and one day through the giant maze of life a path will finally lead us to the promise land of understanding.

We all must seek to find. Without questions whether inward or outward how can we receive answers?
My hope is this thread will cover many areas of past,present and beyond as we weave our way through the great wilderness. The earth our home as well as the universe and realms not seen by human eyes hold all the answers.

It takes time in search of truth and I wonder how many of us humans really hunger for something outside of the box we live in. It's the same no matter how far we look back throughout history. We humans suffer from a lack of deep interest and desire quick satisfaction.
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Satan is called “the prince of the power of the air” in Ephesians 2. What do you think that means exactly?

Michael S. Heiser: On one hand, “air” is part of the vocabulary for the spiritual world—the world which humans do not inhabit, but which divine beings do inhabit. But “air” was also a descriptor for the heavens below the firmament in Israelite cosmology—still distinguishable from God’s abode, which was above the firmament (Isa 40:22; Job 22:13; cp. Gen 1:7 to Psa 29:10). The “air” metaphor allowed people to think of the spiritual world in terms of (a) not being the realm of humans, and (b) still beneath the presence of God, or the place where God lives.

That meant Satan wasn’t in God’s presence or in control of God’s domain. Angels could be sent into the world to assist humans and would of course be opposed by those spiritual beings in control of earth’s “air space” so to speak. Ultimately, the spiritual world has no measurable parameters, or latitude and longitude (the celestial sphere is no help locating it!). Human writers have to use the language of “place” to describe something place-less (in terms of what we, as embodied beings, can understand). For that reason, it isn’t always a neat picture.
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PostSubject: Re: The Bible,Ancient Text and The Spiritual World   The Bible,Ancient Text and The Spiritual World I_icon_minitimeSat Nov 21, 2020 11:18 am

Here's something a friend of mine wrote that is about some of his experiences with ET. We talked on many of his interactions with those he called ET. He is an experiencer that these interactions have been going on in his life from a very young age as a child. The question of how the population on earth of christian faith might change or react to a disclosure of ET to mankind is why I chose to post his thoughts.

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If "they" appear in the sky regardless, I guess Christianity and possibly the other two attached religions are immediately out of gas. It will quickly be reguarded the "fool's" belief system.


As soon as the ET provide a sample of blood the whole idea of being straight forward spirits or demons will disintegrate among a believing populace. I am pretty sure confusion will reign far and wide as large masses of people attempt to re-analyze what this means in terms of faith.


Having been proven they are flesh and blood...prophecy will immediately [give the likely appearance of being] derailed and become invalid. Null and Void. What was once promised never "manifested" or "happened".


Perhaps there will now be enough room to curtail all former beliefs systems on Earth and form a new one. All former believers will probably be shunned as fools in foolish beliefs. Priests, Rabbi etc, will come on TV and denounce their former belief or risk being seen as fools or frauds.


The policies that support societal freedom of belief will almost assuredly disintegrate. People will, I imagine, be ashamed as others laugh and jeer at "the few" whom still continue their prayer and beliefs. The laws and boundaries of freedom of belief will be re-evaluated in front of the ET. I imagine they will be watching with silent bemusement (No doubt in my mind).


The question then becomes is "God" wrong about all the rest? Who is "God"? Does he come in a space ship that I can see with my eyes?


Like a cracked glass that has been shattered, the ET...I imagine, will take the opportunity to assert with world leaders that the perpetuation of "belief" is still good, but it must be remodeled to new recommendations. Otherwise a society may no longer object to fear of immoral behavior.


One of the biggest questions of Mankind will have probably have been answered definitively. The role of death, life, mortality, morality and ethics on Earth will likely be redefined. No doubt the ET will have a front row seat to injecting those new values.


Mankind will probably look over the new values and see that it is flexible enough for their liking and agree that these are the new rules.


People whom still hold to the old rules will very surely be mocked and their protests make them the outcasts of mankind.


Some hybrids I was told were shipped off to retention areas where they underwent education and were maintained as a populace allegedly. I was told a portion of the facilities were subterranean and others were off world.
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Sodom and Gomorrah – 1962 - Full Movie
 
This thread just seems like the right place for this.
 
I remember seeing this movie in the theater when it came out. I haven’t seen it since, though I do have the soundtrack on RTR tape. Great dramatic music. This movie should be shown on TV. Fat chance of that ever happening in this day and age.
 
Length: 2 hours 23 minutes
Video Quality: Standard Definition
 
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Who are The Two Witnesses written about in Revelation 11?

Revelation 11:3 ........"And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

Some believe the 1,260 days are at the end of the great tribulation and others believe it is during the first three and one half years of the tribulation period.

Through the years I've thought about this question and have read several opinions on this subject. I would say most would say they are Elijah and Enoch or Elijah and Moses.

I remember many years ago that the Worldwide Church of God at that time taught that Herbert Armstrong and his brother (I can't remember his name) were to be these two witnesses. Of coarse I never gave that a second thought.

Is it possible that they are not who most believe they are? Could it be that most of us have missed some great clues to who they are within the pages of The Bible? 

This is a study I've been on lately and when I have some time I will lay out some very interesting verses from The Bible that have really gotten my interest. It really blew me away when I began to think hard about the whole idea.
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1st thought is Jesus said, John the Baptist (can serve as) Elijah, if they (understood and) believed.

I think Elijah is uniformly accepted by Christians and Jews.  

I come to: Elijah and Moses at the Mount of Transfiguration.
ie: The Law and the Prophets fulfilled in Yeshua.  "Listen to Him".  One more time they give the message.
Also look at what 'powers' they have and see if it correlates. Wink
We know Elijah called down fire.


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