The Bible,Ancient Text and The Spiritual World

To paraphrase, satan comes with great wrath because he knows he has little time left.

But to my mind, the kumbaya of the new age-love everybody because Jesus said love your enemies
is not the Whole of God's Word on the matter.

Right now there is no justice in the Justice system and it's cost us dearly.

@Michael......I've read your words several times about The OT being full of Christ but most just don't see it or don't understand because of how they are hearing the NT preached/taught. You are so correct on this matter and all we need to do is read what Paul said about this very thing in The NT.

1 Cor 10:1-4........“Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.”

Yep Scarz, I witnessed the falling away from the truth during my lifetime, The OT is the NT in a concealed form and the verse that you quoted shows that nicely. For everything that is shown in the NT there is an event given, in type and shadow, in the OT. What folks don't understand is that baptism is actually a Jewish ritual of cleansing. Lots of false teaching about baptism going around concerning whether one has to be baptized or not. The only baptism required is the baptism of the Holy Spirit and John the Baptist made that abundantly clear. I can only give an opinion on baptism as to the should/shouldn't aspect of it. The thief with Jesus was not baptized, but the disciples baptized many, and I am not in the business of deciding who does what.

 It has not been many years since the revelation of Jesus Christ hit home for me. Of just who He is. Unfortunately, churches of today have blurred the simplicity of the gospel of Jesus Christ. If you are saved, you didn't do a damn thing to get  your salvation. "By grace are ye saved, and not by works!" "Accepting Jesus" is a work! You are transformed by by the Spirit of Christ, not by praying some stupid prayer. Why is the saving grace of God,being born again, compared to childbirth? The child had absolutely nothing to do with it and neither did you concerning your spiritual birth. The adoption of gentiles,(us)? Does the child being adopted pick the parents or do the parents pick the child?

I play chess,but due to the advancing years, I don't play it very well. I compare the raging unseen war going on the a chess game, We are merely pawns involved in something that we don't quite understand. I see glimpses of it from time to time, but then I end up with far more questions than answers.I just cannot understand what I can't see. I do know who God is. Most do not. I do not understand a triune God though, and neither does anyone else so don't even try to tell me. I understand that the Spirit is 1/3 of that, and I understand that the Voice is 1/3/ and I understand that the Father is 1/3, but how are they all three equal,separate and yet the same? Anyone who says that they understand all of that is a liar.

The parable of the sower is a perfect example of false teachings of the modern era. I am a gardener and unless you look at this parable from the eyes of a farmer or gardener, you will miss the message. All you will see is a very shallow picture. The parable is self-explanatory. The seed that fall in all of the bad areas won't sprout/grow but the seed that are planted in the "good soil" will sprout, grow and do well. Why? Because the soil has to be broken up, fertilized, and be prepared to accept seed before and of them are planted. The "good soil" has the ability to provide a place for the seed to to grow, all of the other places do not. God prepares you to receive the Word(Christ) at his pleasure, not ours.

I hate how people use the word "faith!" They evidently don't know what the words means. "Have faith, my butt!" Faith is something that we do not cultivate on our own, it is given to us. I dare you to ask people to define faith. Almost all will give you a definition of belief. Faith is an act, physical or spiritual, based on belief that is sustained by confidence. A lost, alienated sinner cannot have that ability to push forward and support something that he cannot see. Faith is given to us.
 Well, its daylight and I have a lot of stuff to do before yet another rainy spell..........

The blood of animals did not save anyone. Who was their Redeemer?........"Messiah"

The animal sacrifice was merely a shadow of the substance, which was Christ/Messiah.

Hebrews 10:4........"For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins."

In The OT.......(The WORD, The LIGHT) was always there. Messiah had not come in a physical manifestation of the flesh but he was there. This verse of scripture from Timothy covers from before time and runs until all is fulfilled.

2 Timothy 1:9........“who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.“

Another thing to remember is what is written in Revelation 13:8........"the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.“

Did not Christ’s sacrifice atone for all those who believed in Him, whether it be those of The OT who looked forward to the Deliverer who was to come, or we today who look back to the Deliverer who came?

I can see this on the horizon......"Think about the amount of sophisticated criminal effort going into computer viruses. Can biological viruses be far behind?........Just imagine the ransoms that could be demanded."

In The World we find ourselves living there is little doubting that biological viruses (would/could) become the ultimate piece of ransom ware.

In my very unlearned opinion, I think this China flu may be a prototype of the very thing that you posted. Just look at the "vaccine" and wonder. Its RNA specific and so as I understand it, this so-called vaccine travels via the nucleus of cells just as a virus does. Scarz sounds like what you speak of may be here already. This is too far above my pay grade for me to write much about, but too much is being pushed on the public without explanation. There is so much that we don't know and if the Watcher Technology is being repeated as in the "days of Noah" there is no telling what we are about to witness. The "days of Lot" are here again with the sexual depravity and degeneration that is taking place. Just look at the reprobate insanity taking place. Shit that just does not make sense at all. The odds for a designer virus that can adapt,evolve and adjust? I would not bet against it

This would not be a ransom only for money.......... "Think how far this could go."

US Senate passes bill to give billions of dollars in funding for human-animal hybrid experiments

'We shouldn’t need to clarify in law that creating animal-human hybrids or "chimeras" is ethically unthinkable, but sadly the need for that very clear distinction has arrived,' said Senator James Lankford.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/us-senate-passes-bill-to-give-billions-of-dollars-in-funding-for-human-animal-hybrid-experiments

michael371 wrote:

Revelation 9:6..........."And in those days people will seek death and will not find it. They will long to die, but death will flee from them."


 Scarz, I am pulling corn in the morning but maybe I can get up a bit earlier than normal and write a little about this verse. It is one of the strangest verses in the bible and even kept in complete context with the surrounding scripture its still very mysterious

Please do so Michael......I look forward to what you always bring to the table.

I have thought about Revelation 9:6 and boy is it a mysterious verse. Wanting to die and not being able to die. Why is it they can't commit suicide?

“People will seek death and death will flee from them”........Death can not come to them while the torment continues for a 5 month period of time. 

Revelation 9:4-5


They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any green plant or any tree, but only those people who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.


They were allowed to torment them for five months, but not to kill them, and their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it stings someone.


“That they should not kill them"........These that have the power to torment for a 5 month period of time have a special torment that prevents these humans from dying. We must remember that only those who do not have The Seal of God will be effected with this 5 month torment.

Most all of the scripture that is difficult to understand is that was because its being misinterpreted. This verse is just outright strange and very difficult to grasp. You can go only so far with a spiritual view which is how much of the Revelation should be taken, but even a literal view can only go so far down the road of understanding. This scripture, as of right now, requires what I don't like to do,speculate scripture.. The NT events all have a type aand shadow event that is in the OT but right now I cannot tie one to it except for, maybe, the story of Cain and the mark. To make sense and parallel it is another matter. I have heard lectures and sermons concerning this scripture but never one that explains it that satisfied me. My deep thinking has revealed to me a total of "not much."

A man can die many ways. Jumping off of a bridge/building, hanging,slitting the wrists,overdose, rat poison, and on and on, so why would they not be able to find death? There are two reasons and only two that I can come up with: 1. Supernatural intervention of the Almighty but since His statement that all men must die would be contradicted by this I doubt that God would directly suspend men dying( remember, this is all speculation)2. This is the only one that makes sense but I have a hard time coming to terms with it. The possibility of man fulfilling the "ye shall NOT surely die, but will be as gods" just does not seem possible but damn if it is the only one that makes sense. For God to allow man to reach a pseudo type of immortality is just a concept that is just too far out there for me right now. BUTTTTttttt, It would appear to be the only one that could possible fit the context.

We all know about the genetic experiments. Its no secret that men are eager to try to circumvent God and His judgement, either deliberately or as a project to develop a better understanding/cure for some health issues. Does God allow it? Or is this a trait of the hybrids that are here in the repeat of "the Day of Noah?"

There is one more option and it is that we may be misreading the scripture and taking it wrong. I just read it again and it is possible that we are taking it to mean something that we are not grasping. Actually, it doesn't matter. It will happen, we just have to figure it out. I tried to teach this one time on a strictly conjecture basis. You can't teach non-understanding people on a subject that you don't understand yourself. This is was a great "food for thought" subject,Scarz. Now, it will bug me all day...

This takes place at a time within the 5th Trumpet. How long a period of time last between the 5th and the sounding of the 6th Trumpet we have no idea. 

Just imagine what a huge amount of humans will not have The Seal of God at this time.

These forces of evil turned loose (unrestrained) upon the earth will occur after the man of sin is revealed and the falling away (Departure from the faith) is in full bloom. I have long believed the bottomless pit (Abyss) has a restrainer in place to keep those restrained from coming through into this earthly realm. Once the restrainer steps aside then and only then will they be allowed to enter.

When we die in this life we now live, if we live again and have no knowledge of our past life then all we will know is that we have life. It will be as if our past life never existed. If there are no memories then no matter what may have truly been, it will not exist for us.

The only way we will ever know of something beyond this life we now find ourselves in, will be "If" we have knowledge of this "Life" beyond this life."

If heaven is to be heavenly then is it possible for 100% our past life to be remembered? So many things from our past life are not goodness, love and joy that would be remembered also.

Jesus Christ (The Word, The Light) is the embodiment which makes the invisible known to the visible. Jesus Christ is the Mediator, bridging the gap between divine and earth.


Four separate groups of people that Jesus Himself describes when it comes to faith and salvation. 


1. Luke 8:12 ........ those who hear, but do not believe. “… the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.”

2. Luke 8:13 ........ those who believe only for a while. “… who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away.”

3. Luke 8:14 ........ those who love the world more than the Word. “… choked with cares, riches, and pleasures of life, and bring no fruit to maturity.”

4. Luke 8:15 ........ those who keep the Word in their heart. “… having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keep it and bear fruit with patience.”


These verses cut to the bone.


2 Peter 2:20........ "If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning."


2 Peter 2:21........ "It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them."


2 Peter 2:22........" Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud.”

Have you ever wondered about the verses 2 Peter 2:20-22 and why it would have been better for someone if they had not known the way of righteousness........Than to have known it and turn their backs on it?

I assumed it meant that once you know something is wrong , and do it anyways, you are guilty. Whereas if you didn't know , you would not be held with vengeance for doing it. Once you know tho- your accountable. 
   To me, it's like  how my smart 5 year old puppy acted yesterday. We keep  the 21 year old  outside cat's  soft cat food in the  pouches that tear.  Dixie the pup knows where they are... well yesterday she helps herself to 2 of them.. She knew it was a no no . So when I come in the door, she runs to her  kennel. She knew it was a no no but did it anyway. Guilty..  The first time - she was innocent by ignorance but not the second. She knew...

I see it as Judy does too.  In addition to 2 Peter,  at some point the Bible does say we really don't have any excuse for not knowing. 

As the original sin was partaking of the tree of the knowledge good and evil, and making our OWN determination as to how we should behave as opposed obeying God in all things as He instructed, then at least we know where the right way and the wrong way lies. 

Paul, I think, almost makes it sound as if before the Law, nothing was a sin.  And that it is the Law that condemns us.  
So, we can possibly come even further on the subject. It seems like its a Big Deal. 

I have thought about this for years and if someone has never believed in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior but one day they may come to believe........"Then yes I see how they would be better off." 

I view the other side of the coin as someone who believes in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and then they apostasies (abandon the faith, fall away)......."This is like the Sow that was washed clean and then returns to wallow in the mud."

It would have been better off for them to have never been a believer and follower of Jesus Christ if they abandon Jesus Christ and return to "The World". This is about totally abandoning Jesus Christ and rejecting The Holy Spirit. You had "IT" now you are throwing "IT" in the trash.

As The Church (The Body of Christ) we are to be his Bride (Wife) and Jesus Christ is to be our Bridegroom (Husband) in marriage. Think about it as all believers and followers of Jesus Christ being engaged to him and we all wear the engagement ring he has given us. Just think of it as someone being promised to him and then that someone takes off the engagement ring, hands it to him and turns and walks away.

Yes how sad... to throw it all away for mere trinkets of sand here on earth....to let the oil run out ....so foolish indeed.
  I was basically using my pup to show how a person could deliberately do bad things and know they were wrong while doing it . become sorry  afterwards. Then there's the person that turns away completely and no remorse- refusing to acknowledge its wrong. Lastly the person that never knew it was wrong, to still have the offer of salvation  before them once they realize  the Lord and ask for forgiveness - turning from the wicked ways. 
  I know that this isn't the right thread exactly but I must relate this "encounter" that I had. I went to work on the old homeplace this past week and realized for sure that it's getting ahead of old me. I almost have the  huge tornado tree cleaned up but another is dying - a big one.... I asked the Lord to please send me as to what I should do.. I was in tears while I prayed. Less than 3 hours later, I happened to see a car drive up at the neighbors. It was his daughter that I see about once a year.  She asked me if I was interested in selling and I said yes. Will see what happens.
  It would be so very sad to not have Him in my life. I don't think I could exist. The "ring" is staying on my hand regardless of  whether  prayers are answered yes or no.  He knows best for me.

Bordercollie........You are so correct in what you have said in your post. I remember like it was yesterday when I was a teen and on through my twenties of drinking and drugs. What started out as just an every now and then thing soon became an everyday addiction. I soon became a totally different person as the darkness took over my life. 

God kept pulling at my heart the whole time and for years I pushed it away as the darkness grew tighter around me. I thought I could handle things but found out I was digging a deeper pit with every passing day. I ran and ran from God but he never gave up on me and one day I stopped running. 

God was there when I needed him most. The clean up was not easy, it doesn't come with a snap of the fingers. It takes time to climb out of the pit. God taught me that I had to climb, I had to sweat, I had to believe not only in him but most of all in myself. God isn't a genie in a bottle we must learn that every good thing comes to those who press forward in tribulations. 

It took time and the fog began to lift more each day as God was cleaning out my temple. I learned to live each day and not think about tomorrow. Day by day, inch by inch can not be rushed. I thank God every day he never gave up on me. But one of the most important things I learned was that I never gave up on him.

I see a well planned deception by those who already know actual human history but will keep it hidden at any cost. Information is kept hidden to not stir the pot on the fake publicly indoctrinated plotlines of human history.  I think mankind in general has adopted many systemic lies, which leaves humanity incredibly vulnerable to deception on a grand scale. 

Knowing specific information can provide immunity from a lie. No matter how convincing it may sound, if you know why it's a lie, you shouldn't ever fall for it. Most people would rather believe the Lie than the actual Truth, even if it were spelled out for them.

I believe the vast majority of humanity won't realize just how large the scope of the lies until it is already too late.

Think about this for a second........"The Delusion / Lie is so well designed, that if it were possible, even those who know the truth might be deceived."

Think about this for a second........"The Delusion / Lie is so well designed, that if it were possible, even those who know the truth might be deceived." 

There is a topic that people are so divided on......"And that's the Rapture." 

I have come to believe over several years now that the pre-trib rapture theory could cause people to "Fall away" in massive numbers when things do not play out as expected.

ScaRZ wrote:

There is a topic that people are so divided on......"And that's the Rapture." 

I have come to believe over several years now that the pre-trib rapture theory could cause people to "Fall away" in massive numbers when things do not play out as expected.

Here below is a very good written response as to why I stand where I do on the topic of The Rapture. I really like the way this person took the time to break it down in several of the key areas that need to be touched upon when The Rapture is talked about. I do not know the persons real name but have been given the right to copy and paste it. 

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Some often argue that the word “church” is not found after Revelation 3:22, so the text must not be referring to the Church and/or the Church must not be present. However, let us first recognize the fact that the Book of Revelation is an epistle, so it was written for the Church. As for the word “church” not being used after Revelation 3, we need to also remember that the word “church” is not mentioned in Mark, Luke, John, Galatians, Ephesians, 2 Peter, 1 John and 2 John either, and not until the 16th chapter of Romans, so if the events described by John in Revelation doesn’t apply to the church because the word “church” isn’t used after 3:22 then using that logic a large portion of the entire New Testament doesn’t apply to the church either.

We find the words “saints” and “tribulation” in Scripture, but nowhere do we ever read about “tribulation saints”. These two words are never found side by side. The word “saint” or “saints”, however, is used 59 times in the New Testament, referring to believers in Christ (ie, the Church). This term is used repeatedly throughout the various books of the New Testament, including Revelation. 

For instance, Christians are directly mentioned in Revelation 14:12, saying “Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the FAITH OF JESUS“, and Revelation 20:4-5 says in no uncertain terms that those who do not worship the beast or receive the mark and are killed for “the witness of JESUS” and will rule and reign with Christ for a thousand years.

With respect to the “blessed hope” and how it is defined by pre-trib teachers, this is yet another prime example where many have interpreted Scripture to conform to their understanding instead of allowing their understanding to conform to Scripture.

Let’s examine what the Apostle Paul was referring to in the epistle of Titus:
Titus 1:2, 2:13, 3:7, “In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began … Looking for that blessed hope [eternal life], AND the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ… That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.”

Paul uses the word “hope” three times in his epistle — at the beginning when speaking about eternal life and then later while referring to that blessed hope, and then once more again near the end. Each time he is referring to the blessed hope of eternal life. When does this happen? At the First Resurrection / Second Coming of Christ. Nowhere does Paul ever say that the “blessed hope” is a pre-trib rapture. We are looking for the blessed hope of eternal life, and (in addition to) the glorious appearing of Christ.

The glorious appearing is the “epiphaneia” (G2015) and there is something that is very important about the “epiphaneia” of Christ that very few pre-trib teachers will discuss:

2 Thess 2:8, “And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness [epiphaneia G2015] of his coming”

The “epiphaneia” is post-trib. If we are to believe that the “blessed hope” of eternal life is actualized at the “epiphaneia” of Christ, then we must therefore also believe that the blessed hope is His post-trib appearance and the resurrection/gathering of the elect. This means that Scripture is, yet again, teaching a post-trib rapture, not pre-trib.

In 1 Thess 4:16-17 Paul says that when Christ descends, the dead in Christ are resurrected to Christ and then we will be caught up to meet Christ and the resurrected saints in the air. The word “meet” is the Greek word “apantesis”, and this word only occurs here and in three other places. In Vocabulary of the Greek Testament by G. Milligan and James Hope Moulton, “The word apantesis seems to have been a kind of official welcome of a newly arriving dignitary – a usage which accords excellently with its NT usage.” In Matthew 25:1,6 it describes the virgins going out to meet the bridegroom, to escort him back into the house.

In Acts 28:14-16 it is used to describe brethren from Rome coming out to Appii Foru, to meet Paul and his company, and then escort them back to Rome. In each example of “apantesis”, the escort back is virtually immediate. We don’t have them going out to meet the subject, then going to where the subject came from for years, and then escorting the subject back. That was not the custom. The subject who was coming is met by those who are already at his destination. And what is His destination? Where we are — earth. When Christ comes back to Earth, we will go out to meet him, we will remain in the air temporarily until the indignation/wrath is complete, and where ever He goes, we go, and He is going to Jerusalem to set His feet upon the Mount of Olives.

Zech 14:4-5, “And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, [Making] a very large valley; Half of the mountain shall move toward the north And half of it toward the south. Then you shall flee [through] My mountain valley, For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal. Yes, you shall flee As you fled from the earthquake In the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Thus the LORD my God will come, [And] all the saints with You.”

In Greek culture the word “apantesis” had a technical meaning to describe the visits of dignitaries to cities where the visitor would be formally met by the citizens, or a deputation of them, who had gone out from the city for this purpose and would then be ceremonially escorted back into the city. Apantesis was often used to suggest the meeting of a dignitary or king, a famous person, describing people rushing to meet the one who was coming. For instance, when a Roman emperor approached a city, the leading citizens went out to welcome him and had the honor of processing into the city with him. This whole event was described as the “apantesis.”

Apantesis from apantáo from apó = from + antáo = to come opposite to, to meet especially to meet face to face describes a meeting especially a meeting of two who are coming from different directions.

What is Scripture saying? It is saying that we are not removed from the Earth to conveniently go to Heaven while all hell breaks loose down below. Those of us who are alive and remain (the Greek word means those who survive) are transformed from corruptible to incorruptible, and we are caught up to meet the Lord in the air per the “apantesis”, which means that we escort Christ back to earth — ie. Jerusalem — which is consistent with its usage in each of the other verses of Scripture. The pre-trib position, however, suddenly changes the intended meaning of the word (again). Instead of us escorting Jesus back to Earth for His Second Coming, pre-tribism has us conveniently going to Heaven instead, which the text does not say anywhere, at any place, at any time.

Many have used Luke 21:36 to support a pre-trib rapture, which says, “Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.” Let’s look at Luke 21:36 in its proper context and examine the words of Christ in the Gospel of Luke.

Luke 21:25-28, “There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars… At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

Many who assume a pre-trib rapture often point to “begin” and say it only means the first few signs mentioned earlier in the chapter, but Jesus says “When these things begin to take place” AFTER describing the cosmic signs that we are told happens immediately after the tribulation in Matt 24:29-31. The fact that Jesus does not say “when these things begin to take place” before mentioning those post-trib signs is very significant.

A couple of verses later, in Luke 21:31, Jesus says “when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand”, and again these things INCLUDE the cosmic signs and the coming of the Son of Man immediately after the tribulation mentioned a few verses earlier.

Now let’s look at Luke 21:34-36:

Luke 21:34-36, “Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with dissipation, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you unexpectedly like a trap. For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth. Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, [referring to “that day”] and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.”

What day is “that day”? Jesus just gave us cosmic signs that Joel 2:31 says will happen just BEFORE the Day of the Lord, but immediately AFTER the tribulation according to His own words in Matt 24:29.

Joel 2:31, “The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.”

Matthew 24:29, “Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken”

Therefore, “that day” that Jesus is referring to in Luke 21:34 is the Day of the Lord. It is the day of Christ’s judgment, of His Divine Wrath – the “orge” that we as believers are not appointed to suffer (1 Thess 5:9 ). The Greek for “escape” in Luke 21:36 is “ekpheugō” (G1628) and is used elsewhere to refer to escaping the judgment of God (Romans 2:3).

The Apostle Paul even parallels this perfectly when telling us about the gathering of the elect (rapture).

1 Thess 5:2,4,6 “For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night… But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief… Therefore let us not sleep, as [do] others; but let us watch and be sober.”

So how do we escape? Paul ties in the Day of the Lord with the gathering (rapture) in 1 and 2 Thessalonians, and tells us to watch for that day just as Jesus does in Luke 21:36. Since we know that the Day of the Lord takes place immediately after the tribulation , the escape — and therefore the rapture — is post-trib as well.

There will be Two Comings......"The First Coming will be that of The Antichrist, The Second Coming will be that of Jesus Christ."

The realm of The Abyss will first be opened then on The Lord's Day Heaven will be opened.

Don't burn your lamps oil on The First Coming, have your lamp full of oil for The Second Coming.

No arguments with that, ScaRZ.  But first thought is God would not and has not abandoned us to go through this time alone without help.  Real, meaningful help. 
It IS a battle and a war.  The Bible has said so. Against the powers and principalities of darkness.

We are called to be the LIGHT.  So it isn't to save our oil.  We must expend our oil-our Light.  
It is to remember to go to Him every day for refilling, and not lose the Big Picture in the face of evil.  We cannot retreat, or we are of no value to the Kingdom. 

And we too are meant to be a help to all.   To the believers first, but ALL whom He brings into our midst, into the sound of our voice, into His Presence IN US.  

When someone comes to us for help, we need to understand they would not be there if He did not draw them TO HIMSELF, WHERE HE IS. 

In and out of season:

Dove..........This was what I was referring to in my post about the oil in the lamps. I should have explained it better.


If Jesus Christ is to return as a thief in the night, most of the population won't be looking for him, they will not be awake and watching. Jesus Christ will indeed come as a thief in the night, and The World will be asleep. 

This whole story will play out much like the parable of the ten virgins. Five virgins had oil in their lamps and were prepared for Jesus Christ (Their Bridegroom) at his coming. These five virgins were awake and watching with lamps full of oil.  They knew the signs of his soon arrival and were prepared as The Bride ready to go out and meet their Bridegroom at his coming. 

The other five virgins had no oil in their lamps they were not prepared to go and meet the bridegroom. They were not watching, they did not recognize the signs of his soon arrival. How long had all the oil been burned out of their lamps? How long had they been sleeping?

Think about the time of Noah's Ark. Once the door was closed on The Ark, the time for entering was over. Same thing with the five virgins with no oil in their lamps. They did not have more time to run out and buy oil ........."Now it was too late, The Door was closed."

Good.  Just making sure I guess that we know our Light must SHINE in the world, not put under a basket, or 'saved' for His Coming.  Now more than ever we must speak.  We must labor in the fields for the harvest!  Thanks.  

These verses spoken by Solomon remind me so very much what my Grandfather told me when I was just a young man. My Grandfather was a wise man who lived to the age of 99. He told me I better enjoy my young age because if I live long enough as the clock ticks away life the body and mind break down. The many thrills that come with being young fade as the years pass. What you looked so forward to in a days time with aging becomes only another day. All those friends and family that you love and grow so attached to pass away leaving you behind with a lonely heart.

My Grandfather told me....."It's all coming, you will grow old as I am old........One day you will look in the mirror and see an old man staring back at you."



Ecclesiastes 12:1-8  Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them;


While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened, nor the clouds return after the rain:


In the day when the keepers of the house shall tremble, and the strong men shall bow themselves, and the grinders cease because they are few, and those that look out of the windows be darkened,


And the doors shall be shut in the streets, when the sound of the grinding is low, and he shall rise up at the voice of the bird, and all the daughters of music shall be brought low;


Also [when] they shall be afraid of [that which is] high, and fears [shall be] in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:


Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.


Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.


Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all [is] vanity.

Something Mike, Researcher, et al have said often

Those Hebrews converted when the Messiah came to earth to die for our sins. The ones that kept worshipping Canaanite gods(demons) never stopped trying to destroy Christ and his followers, even to this day…
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The worst part of evangelicals undying support for Israel is that the Hebrews of the bible bear no resemblance or relation to the Js of today, but they are unwilling to have that conversation.

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When you do a deep study on Nimrod you will find his fingerprints are spread throughout the world. Most all the world religions have traces of The Babylonian Mystery Religion embedded in them. And yes.....I hate to say it but many Christian Denominations ARE FULL of customs and traditions that come from The Babylonian Mystery Religion. They have become so entrenched that most people think of them as Christian, but they are not.

That's another reason why the Holy Spirit is imperative.   

This example is just a fact that adds to our understanding of All That Is'
And there's more on this to be had:

144000 represents the speed of light in circular motion. 144000 minutes of arc per second. 144000 ÷ 60 minutes ÷ 360⁰ = 6.66.
Let he who has wisdom calculate the number for it is the number of man (and all other life and matter made of atoms). It is how EME manifests as atoms.

Before the flood of Noah some spiritual forces [Watchers, Sons of God] came and took wives and were able to create offspring. When their offspring died the spirit side remained here on earth and are what are known as demons, evil spirits, devils and unclean spirits. These spirits did not return to God at their deaths as do humans.  

I believe most of these evil spirits are held captive in the Abyss (Bottomless Pit) alongside their fathers the fallen Watchers. Much like in the legend of the vampire, the (demons, evil spirits) can't enter your house without being invited in. I see demonic spirits in the same light. Once you allow them access and invite them in, then and only then can they enter the body (Temple, House).

I believe there are (Entities) that would love to figure out how to create a physical body with no life in it and bring life to that body becoming a breathing living creation (A Living Soul). This very event could be what occurs when the Abyss [Bottomless Pit] is opened and Abaddon rises. Will the demons, evil spirits that are released from The Abyss be given a new created body that they have full control of?

Full control of the body is needed not just a suggestive control as they now have with humans. Evil Spirits can possess an individual, but still that individual must do the deeds. These evil spirits need the whole package that has full control of their own [Mind, Will and Emotions] that are the makeup of the living soul.

The goal of these dark entity forces is finding a way for the spark to ignite a lifeless body and it rise as a living breathing creature. If the breath of life doesn't come from God then where or how does it come about?

I really have suspicions that this has already happened. May seem farfetched, but a man rising from the dead ain't normal either. Supernatural forces are at work and few seem to notice...............or care

Michael I miss you coming in and posting......."Good to see you."

I've thought about this a long time and see the blackness of the smoke that comes out of The Bottomless Pit (Abyss) as that of the symbolic massive army of the evil spirits (Locust) as well as their fathers (Fallen Sons of God, Watchers) coming into this earth realm.

If The Book of Jubilees holds truth in it then just think how only 10% of the evil spirits remained to torment mankind, the other 90% were locked up with their fathers (Watchers). Can we even imagine 90% more flooding this earth?........"It blows my mind to try and comprehend that."

In the Book of Jubilees we read that after the flood evil spirits began to be a big problem for the descendants of Noah. Noah began to pray to God to bind all the demons away from man. Noah knew that God had bound the Watchers that mixed with women by casting them into the Abyss. Now Noah ask God to do the same with ALL the evil spirits who were the spirits of the Watchers offspring.

God was about to bind them ALL until the chief of the spirits "Mastema" ask God to let some of the evil spirits remain. Mastema doesn't seem too worried in the least that he will be bound with them if ALL are imprisoned. He must know he will be on the outside no matter what takes place. God then binds 90% of the evil spirits in the Abyss leaving 10% of them to remain and listen to Mastema's voice and do everything he ask of them.


Jubilees Chapter 10


1] And in the third week of this jubilee the unclean demons began to lead astray the children of the sons of Noah, and to make to err and destroy them.


5] And Thou knowest how Thy Watchers, the FATHERS of these spirits, acted in my day: and as for these spirits which are living, imprison them and hold them fast in the place of condemnation, and let them not bring destruction on the sons of thy servant, my God; for these are malignant, and created in order to destroy.


7] And the Lord our God bade us to bind all.


8] And the chief of the spirits, Mastema, came and said: 'Lord, Creator, let some of them remain before me, and let them harken to my voice, and do all that I shall say unto them; for if some of them are not left to me, I shall not be able to execute the power of MY WILL on the sons of men; for these are for corruption and leading astray BEFORE MY JUDGMENT, for great is the wickedness of the sons of men.'


9] And He said: Let the tenth part of them remain before him, and let nine parts descend into the place of condemnation.'



Then we see in verse 11 that this Chief Mastema must be none other than The Adversary.

11] And we did according to all His words: all the malignant evil ones we bound in the place of condemnation and a tenth part of them we left that they might be subject before Satan on the earth.

We don't need to open up ourselves to any and everyone, or everything that claims to be The LORD or of The LORD. This goes for both humans and those of the spirit world.

Beware of those dangling a fruit of temptation and deception. As Jesus Christ said......"You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?" If they come with fruits that appeal to the outward man and the pleasures of this world you should have an answer which side they line up on.

We humans are attempting to soften what deep down we already know contains a dark path when speaking these words..........."I see no real harm in going down this path."......."I see no real harm in a little of this and a little of that."

The path of a little of this and a little of that is all it takes. The door doesn't need to be wide open. How large was the bite of fruit consumed by Eve and Adam? Did it matter how big or small the bite was?............." They were instructed to not even as much as TOUCH IT."

Mark 13:10-11


And the gospel must first be published among all nations.


But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.



An elect will be brought before the rulers of this world and The Lord will pour out his Holy Spirit upon these followers as he did on the day of Pentecost. The Holy Spirit will come into these elect and speak through them and everyone will hear in their own language (Tongue). They are to take no thought or premeditate what they will say in any fashion. Everything that must be said will come from The Holy Spirit and nothing of their on.

Without the resurrection of Jesus Christ there would be no resurrection of Abraham, David or any of us. Jesus Christ was "First" now we "Follow".

Paul is very clear in his teachings that Jesus Christ as the first fruits of the resurrection. We are not talking about the spirit that goes back to God who gave it when we die in the flesh. We are talking about the resurrection of the dead receiving a new spiritual body.


1 Corinthians 15:23......."But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming."


We can read in Acts Chapter 2........."After Jesus Christ resurrection and ascending into heaven, David was still awaiting his resurrection and new spiritual body." Abraham is still just like David, awaiting his resurrection.


Acts 2:29-35


Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.


Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;


He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.


This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.


Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.


For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,


Until I make thy foes thy footstool.


Our spirit returns to God who gave it upon our deaths in this earthly body. The spirits of the Nephilim did not return to God. They are either now locked in the Abyss awaiting the day they will exit their prison when the bottomless pit is opened, or they are wondering spirits moving about this earth realm.

These Nephilim spirits are the unclean spirits and demons who seek as a never ending hunger a body. They will not be resurrected and receive a heavenly spirit body. Their spirits will one day perish as will all those of the heavenly host who rebelled and became adversaries of God. All their destinies were sealed a long time ago. They now continually seek a way around their fate.

This thread has been kinda slow the past week cept'n for a few ScaRZ posts. (and thank you Scarz) Time to wake it up again. I ran across this today and thought it very VERY interesting in light of what we are all seeing nowadays. I don’t recall this particular cartoon being mentioned in the forum before.
 

Researcher wrote:

This birth pains, time of Jacob’s trouble, mark of the beast, tribulation shit SUCKS! I think we're "in it" or soon to be "in it". Who else is on board with that?

MARK OF THE BEAST PREDICTED BY CARTOON
 
LENGTH: 15 minutes
 
https://www.bitchute.com/video/cjEPwfCMIiWV/
 

Annnnnd, while I have your eyes . . . gimme your ears too. 

I really found this podcast interesting It's quite exhaustive and detailed. It should be seeing how it's 3½ hours long. If you have the time download and listen to it, even if you must break it down into multiple smaller bite-size portions. Hang on to your ya-yas for a wild ride.

Michael371 - I predict that you'll absolutely love this one. It's much of the stuff we've discussed over the years, only on steroids.

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2020_11_26 A Land of Giants
 
November 26, 2020 Length: 3:27:20
 

Show Notes wrote:

There are giants in the Bible. Many Christians have tried to explain them away, ignore them, or treat them as mere metaphors. But the Orthodox Church takes giants seriously. Join Fr. Stephen De Young and Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick as they venture into the ancient Land of Giants and discuss why the Book of Joshua is probably not what you thought it was.

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https://media.ancientfaith.com/lordofspirits/los_2020-11-26.mp3
 
 

https://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/lordofspirits/land_of_giants

Thanks for posting  !!  I'm sure that Mike is eager to get things back in order( after the lightening storm)  so he can do some catching up  here.

Good to see someone else posting something. As I've mentioned before, I get bored talking to myself. When others post it helps me to recharge and branch off in different areas of thinking. Many times it gets my juices flowing again.

Over the last couple of weeks I sense a complacency taking place and that isn't a good sign. It's not a time for sleeping is it? Believers need to be awake and watching. The dark side pushes complacency......"That is exactly what they are counting on."

What do you think about this map?  And btw, twtr Patriots/Christians are looking at Revelation 7~

Dove wrote:

What do you think about this map?  And btw, twtr Patriots/Christians are looking at Revelation 7.

I've brought up a few times Gog-Magog. I see things a little different than the most popular view. I don't believe anybody and that certainly includes myself has it figured out completely. Some ideas seem to fit but others don't.

Can it be that Gog-Magog will last for a good part of the last half of the 70th week and will culminate at Armageddon?

ScaRZ wrote:

Can it be that Gog-Magog will last for a good part of the last half of the 70th week and will culminate at Armageddon?

There are some astounding similarities between Gog-Magog and Armageddon. These four listed below get the most of my attention.


Both Gog-Magog and Armageddon end with a great earthquake (Eze 38:19-20; Rev 16:18-20)

Both Gog-Magog and Armageddon experience great hailstones (Rev 16:16-21, Eze 38:22)

Both Gog-Magog and Armageddon are followed by “The Feast Of God” (Eze 39:17-20; Rev 19:17)

After both Gog-Magog and Armageddon God declares “It is done” (Eze 39:8; Rev 16:17)

bordercollie wrote:

Thanks for posting  !!  I'm sure that Mike is eager to get things back in order( after the lightening storm)  so he can do some catching up  here.

What kind of damage was done in the lightning storm? 

Man!! I'm sorry to hear about this.