The Bible,Ancient Text and The Spiritual World

Genesis 6 was an attempt to alter the plan of God that He explained to Satan and Adam/Eve in the garden. You know, most folks think that the words given in the account were all of the words that were said. I know every one of ya'll have went to the obligatory Saturnalia/xmass play where little kids walk up, blurt out their lines and thats that. About every person believes that was all that God said. Contained in the words in the account was the entire future of mankind, what God was going to do, how he was going to do it and letting the devil know that there was not one damn thing he could do to stop it. Genesis 6 was a plan to corrupt the DNA of every man,woman and child in an effort to stop the bloodline that was to produce the Redeemer. Remember, Satan had no idea the Kingdom was not a literal ruling kingdom of flesh, but a spiritual kingdom. He didn't know until he saw the veil ripped from top to bottom. He would have never went along with the killing of Jesus had he known that it was not a worldly kingdom. Genesis 6 shows the attempt to make man not be in the image of God, and ALSO, I suspect it was an effort for the Watchers to insert themselves into a rulership role over mankind.( Think a minute about what you see in Washington. Do those bastards and witches look and act like normal people made in the image of God to you? All of this technology? Christ rode a jackass into Jerusalem and man rode jackasses for 1900 years or so after that. Then "boom" things changed. Kinda' like Enoch describes, ya' think?

I do think that there will be another attempt to alter the man"made in the image of God" because if God fails to save JUST ONE who's name is written in the Lambs Book of Life, written before the foundation of the world,then He failed.

Look, don't bring stuff up like this during garden season late in the day when I am tired and worn out. Do it after I have gone to bed or before I get up. My brain is connected to my ass, so it gets tired too and is low on energy after spending all day trying to remember where I put stuff

I'm thinking along the same lines .    " And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. "  Matthew 24:22 . 
 I believe that even the elect   could be drawn into this devious plot to change our dna and corrupt us. Pray for strength to see the truth and not be deceived.       
 Those people at my uncle's funeral didn't seem to understand that Nimrod was a bad one.  I think they hadn't a clue what a mighty hunter before the Lord really meant so had never been taught what the Bible was really saying. These gentle caring folk can easily be deceived  as well as others more studied , The clock is ticking  and they still have no clue  . 

michael371 wrote:

this happens a lot....I set up wireless speakers in the garden to listen while I piddle, and look at what just happened to pop up. Pay attention to the first part and listen real close.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzTDcoATp0U&list=UUSobj4-zeNrxokV_tkgDWzQ

I watched this Stephen Chronister video yesterday and I can understand some of his thinking on the main subject but I don't see it as he does on all of it. 

In other words that Moses could not die any other way but only God (Jesus Christ) could take his life. Moses was a man and I believe most certainly he could die if someone cut his head off with a sword or many other ways of death. Most certainly I believe God can protect if it be his will. 

Stephen Chronister goes the direction as many do that Moses is one of The Two Witnesses by the account of the transfiguration. That's fine,he as well as many others may be correct. 

But think about it if Moses (And if he is one of The Two Witnesses) can't die by any other means but by God's on hands then it doesn't fit at all with Revelation 11:7........"And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them."

Scarz, two different time periods and sets of circumstances. God is sovereign and controls everything is His framework. Man has a free will but only inside of the parameters that God sets, and man does not have a free will when it comes to salvation. That is an elective process by the will of the Father.((WE CAN GET INTO THAT DOCTRINAL ISSUE LATER, WHEN IT RAINS. MY KEYBOARD IS GOING WONKY SO I need to charge batteries.)Moses is my idea to be one of the two witnesses, the other is Elijah. Both were with Christ in the mount of transfiguration. Some say Aaron and John, others Enoch. Enoch and Elijah did not die, according to scripture, and since all men must die, that makes a good case for them. But that was not the part I wanted you to listen to.It was the who Christ really was part that I wanted you to hear

researcher wrote:

Mike & crew - that's one good example out of many why I said what I did in my post yesterday. I have a pretty good reason for believing that our names written in the Lambs book of life may be referring to our individually unique God given DNA. Is willingly altering that DNA maybe tantamount to having ones name blotted out of the book of life? Food for thought.

Think about it.......If all human names were written in The Book of Life and that would have to be if The Book of Life is Human DNA then does that fit with what is written in The Book of Revelation?

Rev 3:5........."He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels."


Rev 13:8........"And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."


Rev 17:8........"The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is."


Rev 20:12........"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."


Rev 20:15........"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."


Rev 22:19........"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."


Rev 21:27........"And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life."

michael371 wrote:

Scarz, two different time periods and sets of circumstances. God is sovereign and controls everything is His framework. Man has a free will but only inside of the parameters that God sets, and man does not have a free will when it comes to salvation. That is an elective process by the will of the Father.((WE CAN GET INTO THAT DOCTRINAL ISSUE LATER, WHEN IT RAINS. MY KEYBOARD IS GOING WONKY SO I need to charge batteries.)Moses is my idea to be one of the two witnesses, the other is Elijah. Both were with Christ in the mount of transfiguration. Some say Aaron and John, others Enoch. Enoch and Elijah did not die, according to scripture, and since all men must die, that makes a good case for them. But that was not the part I wanted you to listen to.It was the who Christ really was part that I wanted you to hear

I just do not believe it fits in his thinking on Moses not being able to die by other means. Moses was a man and could die many different ways. Now as I said, Moses could have God's protection from death by other means if it was his will.

Scarz, two different time periods and sets of circumstances. God is sovereign and controls everything is His framework. Man has a free will but only inside of the parameters that God sets, and man does not have a free will when it comes to salvation. That is an elective process by the will of the Father.((WE CAN GET INTO THAT DOCTRINAL ISSUE LATER, WHEN IT RAINS. MY KEYBOARD IS GOING WONKY SO I need to charge batteries.)Moses is my idea to be one of the two witnesses, the other is Elijah. Both were with Christ in the mount of transfiguration. Some say Aaron and John, others Enoch. Enoch and Elijah did not die, according to scripture, and since all men must die, that makes a good case for them. But that was not the part I wanted you to listen to.It was the who Christ really was part that I wanted you to hear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEl8DerEwJQ
 Man, I just typed for two freaking hours, and forgot to hit "send" shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! watch the above video because it will jar your soul..damn, I quit!!!!!!

Scarz, I am going to try re-create the post that I so stupidly lost. I am so down because I considered it the best post that I have ever written anywhere, anytime. That doesn't mean much because I am not so great in making my thoughts go to a keyboard because I think so much faster than I can type, or even talk. My memory is terrible, though. Chemo brain is a very real thing, both from street drugs and chemotherapy. Real bummer, I guess I'll do it a bit at a time. It was a massive post...just horseshit,really, and with a wonky keyboard,too

michael371 wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEl8DerEwJQ
 Man, I just typed for two freaking hours, and forgot to hit "send" shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! watch the above video because it will jar your soul..damn, I quit!!!!!!

  Thanks Mike . No dry eye here.

michael371 wrote:

 Man, I just typed for two freaking hours, and forgot to hit "send"

Michael here is what I do most of the time before I post it on the forum. I just create a Text Document and place it on the desktop and type everything I want in it. Many times I stop working on it and I just save it. The next time I decide to work on it then I just click on it and pick up where I left off. Once I'm finished with it I then get on the forum and copy what I've written and paste it in the thread. In my opinion it is the best way and I can always save all the text documents if I desire for looking back on.

I created a Folder and named it "The Bible and More" and just dragged all the text documents in it that I wanted to save. I also name every text document as I create it. I've been doing it that way for years.

Genesis 3:15 lays it out for everyone to see........It's all about two seeds (Offspring). The woman has a seed (Offspring) but the serpent has a seed (Offspring) also. 

Genesis 3:15........"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."

ScaRZ wrote:

michael371 wrote:

 Man, I just typed for two freaking hours, and forgot to hit "send"

Michael here is what I do most of the time before I post it on the forum. I just create a Text Document and place it on the desktop and type everything I want in it. Many times I stop working on it and I just save it. The next time I decide to work on it then I just click on it and pick up where I left off. Once I'm finished with it I then get on the forum and copy what I've written and paste it in the thread. In my opinion it is the best way and I can always save all the text documents if I desire for looking back on.

I created a Folder and named it "The Bible and More" and just dragged all the text documents in it that I wanted to save. I also name every text document as I create it. I've been doing it that way for years.

Word processors are your friend. ScaRZ gets it. I do most everything in the word processor FIRST then copy & paste the text to the forum. From there I add quotes, colors, whatever and what-not using the forum tools, then preview my work to make any corrections - THEN - and only then . . .

. . . I HIT SEND!

If something glitches the word processor still has it. This has saved my bacon many times. Mike, whatever you are using for your operating system, it comes with a basic word processor. Find it and use it. If you don't like the built in word processor there are other choices out there for free. I've linked two below.

http://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html

https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download/

yeah, I guess so. I've screwed up so much today. Gave my phone # to a man today so he could talk to my wife about his grandmother who was a close friend of hers. She has Alzheimers and is in the nursing home, where even family can't visit. He came by the house to see her because I gave him the number for the phone where we built our first house, over 30 years ago. If you had asked me what it was, there is no question that I would have had no clue. I'm trying to play a young mans game with an old mans body and mind. Just unplugged a saw, wasn't paying attention and grabbed the plug with the prongs exposed but not disconnected, barefooted. Got nailed,too. I only brought blood once and it was minor so today didn't suck altogether

Matthew 24:4-5......."And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you."......."For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many."

The Apostle Paul echoed the Lord's warning when he spoke these words from Acts Chapter 20. 

I believe Paul's warning is that of the first seal broken........ "The White Horse rider." The First Seal has been broken by Jesus Christ and the wolves in sheeps clothing are moving in. These wolves claim to represent The Word of God (Jesus Christ) but they do not. If you don't watch closely you will never see or hear the wolves hiding under the outward appearance they wear. When Paul says "Take Heed" he is crying out a warning......."Therefore Watch." 

These wolves in sheeps clothing that claim to represent The Truth (Jesus Christ) will spread out into the whole earth and cause a great famine of The True Word of God. The White Horse rider leads and the other Three Horse riders will follow.

Acts 20:28-31


Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.


For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.


Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.


Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

The biggest problem in most churches is that the congregation depends on the pastor of that church to do all the studying for them. Then they simply accept what the pastor tells them and they move on about their daily lives. This is just pure laziness and shows the short depth of their true interest. Our duty is to read and study alongside of the pastor. We must blow the dust off our Bible and begin reading it and studying.

I believe it all goes much deeper than reading The Bible from cover to cover. I believe the road never ends,it's an eternal education. True Believers and Followers on into eternity will forever be an....... "Eternal Student."

“tells us in Ephesians 1:20–21 that when God raised Jesus from the dead, “he seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion” (ESV). It was only after Christ had risen that God’s plan was “made known … to the rulers and the authorities in the heavenly places” (Eph 3:10). These cosmic forces are “the rulers and the authorities” disarmed and put to shame by the cross (Col 2:15). The incident at Babel and God’s decision to disinherit the nations drew up the battle lines for a cosmic turf war for the planet. The corruption of the elohim sons of God set over the nations meant that Yahweh’s vision of a global Eden would be met with divine force. Every inch outside Israel would be contested, and Israel itself was fair game for hostile conquest. The gods would not surrender their inheritances back to Yahweh; he would have to reclaim them. God would take the first step in that campaign immediately after Babel.”

Dr. Michael S. Heiser, The Unseen Realm: Recovering the Supernatural Worldview of the Bible

“The point of this brief reconstruction is not that Israelites took only the lives of the remnant of the giant clans. Others were certainly slain. The point is that the rationale for kherem annihilation was the specific elimination of the descendants of the Nephilim. Ridding the land of these bloodlines was the motivation.13 If Numbers 13:28–29 is to be believed, the Anakim were scattered throughout the land of Canaan. Joshua 11:21–23 makes it clear that these were the peoples targeted for complete elimination, not every last Canaanite.”

Dr. Michael Heiser, The Unseen Realm: Recovering the Supernatural Worldview of the Bible

bordercollie wrote:

I think that those you (Scars)  refer to, don't want to know about Nimrod etc.. I believe they are those that may" talk the talk on Sunday, but don't do the walk" the rest of the time. 
 

I think most just would never believe how far all of it goes. The Mystery Babylon Religion is so deeply embedded it has become part of the faith without most today comprehending anything of the false light that has blinded so many. 

Nimrod was worshipped as the giver of light to mankind. The worship also involved fire, which represented the sun, the giver of light. The Halo glowing behind the heads that has become a fixture in religious artwork really implies the false messiah Nimrod. Nimrod became the false light bearer to The World from his father The Adversary (the father of lies).

Think back to the first chapter of John and give it some thought. If there is a True Light, then there  also is a false light. Most have rejected the True Light but have embraced the false light. 

John 1:9........"That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world."

There are several aspects of Mystery Babylon that have spread out into mainstream Christianity and has been embraced by the Church. Catholicism has corrupted what passes for NT Christianity of today and they did in a subtle,ever so slow way. It is like the story of the boiling frog. I guess that every painting or relic or whatnot that they use has the glowing halo behind "mary" and "jesus" in the mother/child renditions of the "holy trinity". I submit that that is an actual portrayal of a resurrected Nimrod as Tammuz with the mother, the Queen of Heaven. How many times do you pass a Church with little kids having having an Easter egg hunt after  their service? Utterly clueless! Xmass, the tree,(Jeremiah 10). in the latin language, "mass" means "death" so why are people celebrating the "birth" of Christ and calling it "Christ's death!" There is no place anywhere in scripture that tells the Church to celebrate the birth of Christ and any dumbass can do a little looking and find out that Christ was born around the middle of September. This whole brand of religiousity has skewed the minds and hearts of people who have trusted a collection of jackasses to explain the good news of the gospel to them but its still up to them to check out what they were being fed from the pulpit. It just agonizes me to see  really good preachers advocate the celebration of these so=called holy days. Now, to be fair, lots of Churches are calling "Ishtar" by the name of "Resurrection Sunday" without the egg hunt. I can live with that. I can go on and on, but you are right about the halo above the heads. It ain't what people think it is. The steeple on a of  churches ain't quite what it seems to be, either

michael371 wrote:

 I guess that every painting or relic or whatnot that they use has the glowing halo behind "mary" and "jesus" in the mother/child renditions of the "holy trinity". I submit that that is an actual portrayal of a resurrected Nimrod as Tammuz with the mother, the Queen of Heaven.

You are correct Michael and the thing is most don't even give it a thought. It is tradition and to exorcise it from their lives would be like cutting a piece of their heart out.

I view Nimrod as the first antichrist type and when I look closely at his wife Semiramis I can see her as the first false prophet.

Its all about symbolism. Nimrod underwent some type of change from a normal human to something more. Did he undergo a genetic modification or a spiritual one? I would guess both. None of the things depicted by the tales of the unholy 3 actually happened, but I suspect that Semirimis was behind the whole resurrected Nimrod story and created the religion. I have read various accounts and that seems to be the case. It is my conviction that God told them all exactly what He was going to do to save fallen man,step by step, and jot and tittle when He confronted the in the garden. I would believe that Semiramis would represent the false church or false spirit of the ANTI-CHRIST SYSTEM( need to look at the screen more often,I see)

When Nimrod rose up in opposition to God, the idea of a "religion" was formed and implemented when and after Nimrod died. The son, Tammuz, was deemed as the rebirth of of the sun god nimrod when Semiramis was impregnated by a sunbeam. This was spread down through the different era's and cultures and its what we see that has infiltrated, through sheer ignorance, the church. Look at all the sun-themed regalia that the pope wears.

Remember that we are not supposed to make likenesses of God, images formed by men. Just look around peoples homes, a whole bunch will have a little wall ornament of Jesus hanging on the wall. They mean well, but just don't see the whole picture and they can't understand because of all of the subtle propaganda that they have been spoon fed for all of their lives. The spoiled milk, and they won't ever listen because of that

Most people think a little of this and a little of that does no harm. In my opinion every time I hear that I know The Adversary has whispered in their ears. 

All it takes is one small rotten spot on one very small apple to destroy a whole basket of apples if "IT" is not removed.

There are an enormous number of names which Nimrod and Semiramis have been known and worshipped under around the world. It has been estimated the total number is in the range of 5,000. Most names were given after The Tower of Babel and after their deaths. With different languages and cultures the original Babylonian pattern of worship took on many various forms of gods and goddesses worshipping.


Here are just three traditions that Nimrod is in the mix of. 


Christmas (formally known as the Saturnalia).

Easter (formerly known as Ishtar).

Valentine’s Day (St. Valentine is synonymous with Nimrod)

Yep, but you try to educate people on that Scarz. They look at you like you're the devil There are only two ways to worship, in SPIRIT and in TRUTH and these pagan inspired "holy days" ain't included in that. Hell, xmass was illegal in the US until, of all places, Alabama legalized in 1865 and the last state to do so was Oklahoma in 1906(7?). The Vatican has its ugly face and figures all over the Church world and the pew sitters don't have a clue what has been done to them

Here is something that needs to be understood by all of us. It has been our past,it is the present, and it will be the future. 

The religious beliefs of a population has always been the fundamentally greatest influence shaping the Governance of a society.  People can not be governed in opposition of their fundamental beliefs.

This we all know in retrospect, is why Stalin could never have created a Communist Empire (USSR) without first establishing scientific atheism.

And in comparison, Christianity's prevalence was the reason why Communism could never arise in Europe and the Americas.

When the Church experiences a "Great Falling Away", the religious moral restrictions to totalitarianism are significantly reduced as an impediment.

Not only is the impediment significantly reduced, leaving a lessor number of voices and minds contesting.  But being that "Multitude that Falls Away" were once the impediment, their voices who now think they were wrong, become anti-christian and thus become the most effective cheerleaders for the Antichrist Emperor to arise.

This isn't anything new,we have understood this for a long time. No matter how unimaginable it is for unbelievers,it has been made known. No longer accounted as a "conspiracy theory" but rather a Factual Reality of our Times.

Eyes watching words we type,ears everywhere tuned into our voices,hand held devices capturing every move. Write,say or do something viewed as against the powers "they will take action." Very soon as I've been saying for many years now,"Anyone and everyone who doesn't walk the wide path will be labeled a threat." The good will be viewed as bad while the bad will be viewed as good.

Many humans will turn on their families and friends. Many will think what they are doing is a good thing,but it only feeds the beast. Many will believe God is on their side as they pat each other on the back and the media builds them up as outstanding citizens.

Just think for one second how the media can control the vast majority of humanity and most people don't even realize what is taking place. They can make an entire population angry, violent, aggressive, insane, sexually aroused, stupid, compliant, or passive........."Society is being engineered."

exactly. Scarz, I want to comment but it will have to wait. i only use 3 fingers and a thumb to type and I cut one yesterday right at the point that it hits the keyboard. Not a bad cut, just placed precisely and typing with two fingers is so awkward and slow

I was ask this question by a friend.

Would you say that this description of Jesus to be considered authentic?


The only physical description of Jesus that does exist is from a copy of a letter from the Roman consul Lentulus to the Roman Emperor Tiberius.  This document was discovered in a Monastery with copies of other ancient documents.  According to the copy of the letter, the original letter from the consul was dated to the 12 year of the reign of the Emperor Tiberius.  Scholars have historical verification that a certain Roman consul named Lentulus was in Judea at the time of Jesus' trial and crucifixion. His influential family is mentioned by the Jewish historian Josephus in his book Antiquities of the Jews.   Scholars are divided, however, as to the authenticity of the letter.  Lentulus' letter is presented an official report to the Emperor Tiberius.  In his letter Lentulus describes the condemned man named Jesus of Nazareth as having: a noble and lively face, with fair and slightly wavy hair; black and strongly curving eyebrows, intense penetrating blue eyes and an expression of wondrous grace.  His nose is rather long.  His beard is almost blonde, although not very long.  His hair is quite long, and has never seen a pair of scissors.....His neck is slightly inclined, so that he never appears to be bitter or arrogant.  His tanned face is the color of ripe corn and well proportioned.  It gives the impression of gravity and wisdom, sweetness and good, and is completely lacking in any sign of anger.  (Holy Land Magazine, Franciscan Holy Land Press, Spring 1998).  Whatever information Tiberius received concerning the strange progress of events concerning the death of this Jew, he was shaken enough to present a shocking suggestion to the Roman Senate.  There is some historical evidence to support the claim that Tiberius was so convinced of Jesus' resurrection from the dead that he attempted to have Him declared a "god", but the Roman Senate refused to approve this provincial Jew's admission to the Roman pantheon of gods.

It is possible to take the information from Lentulus' letter and add it to the information gathered from the study of the figure of the man on the Shroud of Turin to complete the physical description of Christ.  Professor Giovanni Judica-Cordiglia, a Shroud of Turin scholar, took the information collected from the Shroud and interpreted the information using his experience as a doctor and university professor of forensic medicine.  He wrote:  The man who was wrapped in the Shroud was a man of great beauty and uncommon statue.  He was about one meter and 80 centimeters (six feet) tall, with a perfectly proportioned physique, lithe and harmonious.  He was a 'standard type' in the most literal sense of the phrase. Although the cloth has suffered much damage, we can see that his face was a very soft and gentle one, rather long and with a broad, straight forehead.  The nose is straight and turned slightly downwards; the cheeks are large and slightly protruding.  From all the anthropometric calculations so far made, it seems that Christ was physically in far better shape than the average man. Through a complicated process of elaborating his facial data, I can conclude that his cranial capacity was of 1575cc, which would place him in the megalocephalic (large headed) category, with a cranial-capacity coefficient of 95 which would indicate that the weight of his brain was 1492 grams.  This is far greater than average, suggesting a person of extraordinary genius  (Professor Judica-Cordiglia, Holy Land Magazine, Franciscan Holy Land Press, Spring 1998).

This then, is the word picture we can artfully construct of the Son of Man who came that we might have life.  This is the loving and tender face which twisted in pain from the beatings and the excruciating suffering of the Cross; this is the face of our Savior who loves us to the end of time and beyond; this is the face that will greet us when we cross the threshold into eternity.

https://www.agapebiblestudy.com/documents/Jesus_What%20did%20He%20look%20like%20.htm

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This was my response to him.


I have my doubts the description is authentic. The main reason for my doubts is that scripture seems to paint a different picture.

Jesus would slip through crowds and not be noticed. He never stood out like a sore thumb. He must have been just another guy in appearance.

One good example was that of Judas placing a kiss upon him to target the one the guards needed to apprehend. Why would Judas need to do that if Jesus stood out in a crowd with His distinguishing appearance?

Another example is what Isaiah had to say about the Messiah.


Isaiah 53:2

For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.



Also 1st century Jewish men kept their hair short. It was considered unclean otherwise. Paul wrote in (1st Corinthians 11:14) that it was a shame for a man to have long hair. It was written while many of the other Apostles and thousands of Christians who met Jesus were still alive.  I'm quite sure they would have all disowned Paul for saying that, if their Lord had long hair.

Be very careful and use discernment when you read Catholic websites to avoid a great deal of confusion.........."Those practiced in idolatry"

ScaRZ wrote:

Be very careful and use discernment when you read Catholic websites to avoid a great deal of confusion..........

EXACTLY what I was thinking as I read the synopsis of the Lentulus letter to Tiberius. I thought to myself, "this has to come from some wacky Catholic fairy tale writings" - and sure enough . . .

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megalocephalic (large headed) - AKA = "FAT HEADED"

You do know that I can't wait to find somewhere to use that juicy tidbit of newly acquired knowledge, don't-cha?

The letter is a very obvious fake, as well as the damned shroud of tURIN. Catholicism, all of it, is bullshit! The physical appearance of Christ is just that as described in Isaiah 53:2.

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I've not vetted this site but looks fascinating ...been so busy planting trees, building dikes and unplugging from the world...had to add another pea(none GMO) to the brain just to keep up.

michael371 wrote:

Nimrod underwent some type of change from a normal human to something more. Did he undergo a genetic modification or a spiritual one? I would guess both.

Michael have you read or watched any of Doug Hamp's books or videos?

I watched two of his videos the last two days and he lays out some of the things you and I have talked about on the forum. He brings in some ideas that add to the whole DNA Mark and Nimrod topics. 

Give both of these a watch when you have time. I don't want to say too much on the subjects if you have not already viewed them.

hey thanks, Scarz. I used to listen to Doug all of the time and really enjoyed him. He's pretty sharp. I don't think that there will be an actual resurrection of Nimrod, but a cloning/Dna type thing is a real possibility. The ac has to be from the Nimrod/Tammuz connection

Yes Michael I understand your point. Doug Hamp lays out his thoughts much in the same line as yourself.

Doug thinks that Gog is The Antichrist (Nimrod). What are your thoughts on this?

I've done some studying on Gog as The Antichrist and it seems to fit in some areas and others it doesn't.

The Gog Magog war (Ezekiel 38-39) has a lot of similarities with The Battle of Armageddon.

2021_04_20 Tom Horn - The Coming Vatican ET Deception
 
This is a Sky Watch production. I thought it might be interesting to hear. This is Tom Horn talking to the camera so if you don’t want to see 90 minutes of Horn’s talking head this is ripe for ripping to an mp3 audio like I just did. I’ve listened to the first few minutes only and Horn gets right into it from the get-go.

Show Notes wrote:

Dr. Thomas Horn describes what is happening at the Vatican and among its top theologians in preparation of so-called DISCLOSURE and a coming great deception!

Length: 90 minutes
 
https://youtu.be/lSdhW2KlabE

If we can go a day without thunderstorms and tornadoes, I'll try to listen today. I like Tom Horns work and research, its just how he goes about using the Gospel to make money. I am fine with people getting paid to preach and lecture in response to their calling, but Horn publishes stuff that is just plain bullshit. I respect Quayles research,too, but I don't trust him any further than I can pick him up and throw him.
 Question?: Have any of you guys ever listened to the transcribed sermon "Sinners in the hands of an angry God?" given by Johnathon Edwards? I listened the other night and its something that penetrates every cell in your body, or it did me like that. If you have never heard this sermon, I suggest that you listen. Edwards speaks from the correct doctrinal viewpoint and this sermon is credited  for starting the Great Awakening (#1). Sadly, churches would not even hear Edwards today.

I just couldn’t resist !!! I hope y'all laugh as hard as I did.
 

I have listened to Tom Horn and Steve Quayle for years and some of what they say I can go along with but much of it I don't. When Steve Quayle started talking a few years back about Jesus standing right in front of him a loud alarm went off for me.

I believe Jesus Christ will one day come back to earth and every eye shall see him. Until that day becomes a reality I will not believe for one second that Jesus appeared to him.

There is really no doubt in my mind that a "Messenger" could appear to deliver a message to a person. The one thing that person would need to understand is that all messengers are not in The Eternal's camp. Dark forces can and will disguise themselves and appear as something/someone they're not.

I don't care who they are,if a persons encounter is with someone standing in front of them claiming he is Jesus in physical form I will quickly reject it. There are too many warnings from Jesus Christ himself as well as his Apostles on not being deceived.

AMEN SCARZ, AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Horn changed from what he used to be. He has done some good things, but it seems like everything now comes with a price tag. They are far from being the only ones. I do like Derek Gilbert and his wife with what they do, but they promote some stuff that just ain't right,too. I stopped all listening, buying and reading when they broke that so-called "minister" on board that just happens to go against all scripture concerning a womans place in the chain of command of the church

Got hooked up to fiber last week and I have enough bandwidth to run an office building. Bring on the videos

I have thought for many years that The Bottomless Pit (Abyss) and all of it's contents are being restrained.The restraining (Holding Back) I believe is a two fold event that will also involve the"Above" as well as the "Below". 

As it was in the days of Noah will play out once again. Remember in the days of Noah that the flood waters came from "Below" as well as "Above". The fountains of the great deep (Below) broke up, and the windows of heaven (Above) were opened.

The flood in the last days of this age will not be a flood of literal water but will be a flood of deception coming to this earth from "Above" as well as "Below".

In the days of Noah it continued 40 days and 40 nights to rain from heaven as well as the breaking up of the fountains of water from the deep.

In the last days of this age when the days of Noah will play out once again the raining of the fallen messengers from the heavens (Above) as well as the breaking open the chains of those held in the prison of the Abyss (Below) will "Flood" this earth.

So . . . . what do yooz all think? Could this very major dust-up in Israel be the build up to Ezekiel 38 and Gog Magog? I’ve expressed that thought twice in the thread linked below. It’s a pretty gnarly thread so if you haven’t been following it go have a look at how things have been ramping up almost exponentially since Monday 10 May when the topic was started then come back here and give us all an ear full of what you think.
 
https://watchermeet-up.forumotion.com/t26989-temple-mount-burning-bomb-shelters-opened-as-rocket-barrages-hit-israel-rocket-attack-sirens-sounding-in-cities-throughout-israel
 
Keep your eye on that particular thread above as it is where the updated reports are being posted.
 
Ezekiel 38 and Gog Magog – and possibly Isaiah 17:1 (The burden of Damascus) maybe lurking just around the next bend? Speculation at this point in time but bears consideration. Y’all squawk my ears off.

researcher wrote:

So . . . . what do yooz all think? Could this very major dust-up in Israel be the build up to Ezekiel 38 and Gog Magog? 

I do not believe at this point in time that the fighting is the beginning of the war spoken of in Ezekiel 38-39. 

Ezekiel 38:18-23


And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;  So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.  And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.   And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; andI will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD. 


The Gog Invasion is something I brought up a few post back in the thread. There are many different thoughts on who Gog is and when this war will take place. Only two times in the KJV version of The Bible is the title Chief Prince used to describe One of The Chief Princes (Michael The Arc Angel) and The Chief Prince (Gog). Many times the title Prince is used in The Bible but not Chief Prince. I have wondered for years if Gog is someone more than just a mortal man. 

Gog is a very interesting topic and through many different thoughts on the subject some ideas seem to fit for me and then others do not. Maybe that's for now why the whole Gog topic is not to be understood fully. In other words it will be revealed at only a certain time when God chooses for the revelation to come to light.

I do not believe that Ezekiel 38 is a modern event,either pre-or during the 7 year event. God/Christ does the fighting in this war. Right now, my time is limited and my energy level tank is on "E". Tests showed anemia which explains a lot of what has been happening, both physically and mentally, with me. I almost am finished with both the garden and this room. This room is a man/dog/cat, maybe BAT CAVE for sure, but its also a media room for the people who come by to talk bible with me. It will have multiple monitors and computers. I do think that we are deeper into the game than we might think. I'll explain my position on Eke later when I get time

Michael.....Sorry to hear about your anemia. Maybe all you will need is more iron.

Just by your small post above you appear to think Ezekiel 38 will be the same event that Revelation calls Armageddon.


A great deal of scripture certainly lines up with many events that unfold in the same way.

Scarz, I have been on a double helping of iron and B-12 this week and I thought that I noticed an uptick in my energy level yesterday. Today, I know that I do. I had gotten to the point that I was not only tired from small amounts of physical activity but I was mentally tired,also. I could not  hold a thought, I've always been forgetful, but it had gotten ridiculous. I was misplacing and losing everything that I touched. The weather has given us fits this year. Let me re-phrase that: The weather has given folks trying to plant a garden fits. I have to work like hell when I do get a chance and when I can't work in the garden, I work in here. I have almost finished planting the garden( finally) and I like a few odds and ends in here, plus setting up the electronics. Oh, and building my cats an apartment complex but they will have to wait. I have a lot of minor boo boos that make me bleed and I had noticed that my bleeding was like when I was on blood thinner, it would not stop. The numbers are actually not much lower than they have been for a while. The good thing is that my white count is perfect. All chemo veterans worry about the white count. Lots of folks with Leukemia with the "drugs" that they gave me. I worked all day in the garden today, with minimal fatigue. The last few months, I could barely go an hour without resting

Some thoughts from Michael Heiser on Gog and Magog.


"Gog would have been perceived as either a figure empowered by supernatural evil or an evil quasi-divine figure from the supernatural world bent on the destruction of God’s people. For this reason, Gog is regarded by many biblical scholars as a template for the New Testament antichrist figure."

"The battle of Gog and Magog would be something expected after the initiation of Yahweh’s plan to reclaim the nations and, therefore, draw his children, Jew or gentile, from those nations. The Gog invasion would be the response of supernatural evil against the messiah and his kingdom. This is in fact precisely how it is portrayed in Revelation 20:7–10."

"For sure ancient Jews would expect that the reconstituted kingdom of Yahweh would be shattered by an enemy from the north—as it had before. But ancient Jews would also have thought in supernatural terms. A supernatural enemy in the end times would be expected to come from the seat of Baal’s authority—the supernatural underworld realm of the dead, located in the heights of the north. Gog is explicitly described in such terms."

"All eschatological systems are speculative in many respects. The point is that the supernatural worldview of ancient Israel and Judaism must inform our own thinking. The cosmic enemy from the supernatural north, where the council of evil plotted against Yahweh’s council, was a fixed part of the worldview of the biblical writers—especially when it comes to the end times."

I have entertained Heisers views and while its possible he might be on to something and it would not surprise me that he would be correct, or at least close to being on the right track.

 You are  very perceptive Scarz. Look, I obvious do not have intellect or expertise of Michael Heiser, but when scripture is understood and used correctly, I don't need a PHD. I'm not knocking Heiser, so don't think that, but Heiser is human and fully capable of being wrong just as we are. Accurate history, true science and mathmatics when used in conjunction with scripture is never wrong.  Notice that I said "accurate & true". So many people are wrong on the timing of this Magogian war. To understand it, you have to use Ezekiel as a timeline. I am going to operate from memory so I am not looking up scripture C & V but the general remembering of where it is. In Ezekiel 36 the joining of the two sticks indicate the regrouping of the northern kingdom and the southern kingdom, Judah and Israel. Most assume that happened in 5/14/1948 and it kinda' did with the re-establishing of the Land of Israel, but did the two sticks join? I say "not yet." Oh, I'm sure some of the northern kingdom wandered back in but it would have been an unconscious action. The northern kingdom was disowned by God and due to all of the abominations that they committed, they lost their identity of who they were as they melded into the pagan cultures where they lived. They never went back as a group. Here is a side note dealing with the city of London. Read this article at this link:
https://lordmayorsshow.london/history/gog-and-magog
Now Scarz think about the population of London and the fastest growing group of inhabitants? My hypothesis is that the joining of the two sticks are the Judahian southern tribesand the northern tribes that were scattered all around the world and gathered back together in the form of the "church". That hypothesis comes from history and logical thinking. Israel was Gods people, not just the JEWS (which started out as a derogatory term for them). God chooses his people and never forgets them and will bring them out of bondage.

Magog was a son of Japheth, or a grandson of Noah and if you track where all of those sons and grandsons of Noah settled you can get a good grasp of who these NT people are. If you don't use scripture to interpret scripture you'll fall out of the boat but here is a case where accurate historical references can be used to interpret and unlock the bible. Where did Magog settle? The area that was called Lydia in the bible. There is debate as to what areas this covered but the interesting part is that all of the areas that are debated,except for southern Russia, are Muslim. Turkey is the most likely culprit to be dead center in the Magogian territory, and it was also the origination of the Ottoman empire( which people tend to forget in studying prophecy) which the leader of Turkey, Edrogen,(sic) is trying very hard to re-establish. The USSR used to possess the areas north of Turkey, all of the "stans" and the majority of those countries are now of what religion?

I'm rambling,thinking out loud again, so long story short, using Ezekiel as a timeline, the temple that follows the war is not the same temple built in Revelation. Look at the courtyard difference. Okay here is another thought. If you take the temple building as an entirely spiritual viewpoint, it opens up and entirely new avenue to go down which is 100% accurate and aligns with scripture perfectly. Read the accounts of the temple in an entirely spiritual frame of reference with the Temple being a type and shadow of Christ. The temple of Ezekiel appears to be the temple of the 1000 year reign of Christ and the timeline of Ezekiel seems to show that the people of God are aligned together(12 tribes) war is fought and millenium begins. Notice that his courtyard includes the Gentiles and the other doesn't? Nother possibility is that the war of Psalms 83 could be mistaken of the Gog/Magog war. Another possibility to that is that Psalms 83 is actually history and happened in 1948. Okay, got to do some things. We are supposed to have good weather for a whole week so maybe I can catch up some and spend more time here. Its strange to not feel tired even after I just woke up!

I believe Michael Heiser is in the same boat as we are. This is the reason he doesn't care to talk much on eschatology. We can think we may understand some of it but we really don't know until it happens. Michael Heiser's teachings I enjoy but I don't always see eye to eye with him. I have never heard or read his or anyone's teachings and thinking on Gog and Magog that in my opinion......"Do not have holes in them." Some things seem to fit but there are others that don't appear to line up correctly.

Just because I post someone's thinking on a subject in the thread does not mean I agree with everything they lay out. I just have an interest in a subject and take everything and place them in my mind. To me it's like dumping a giant jigsaw puzzle out on a huge table and begin trying to put it together. Piece by piece there is "Only One" correct way to complete the puzzle. If a piece doesn't fit in a space then no matter how hard I try to snap it in......."It will not fit."

But there is one thing for sure........"All pieces will fit to complete the puzzle." You ever notice how when putting a jigsaw puzzle together you just can't seem to find the piece that fits in a certain spot but someone walks by the table and reaches down picks up the piece that snaps right in.