The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation

I had an off topic thought you all might have some knowledge about.
Or it may not add up to something significant.  I was wondering if this might have
happened a number of times in the Bible (and I was thinking  3 times, or 7 times.)

Regarding  "And when they say Peace and Safety, sudden destruction comes..'

So that is what happened that we're all familiar with:
 The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 broke out when five Arab nations invaded the territory in the former Palestinian mandate immediately following the announcement of the independence of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948.
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Then, was it a Bush who used 'peace and safety' since then?  And what happened directly after that?  


Which reminds me of the 'dividing of the land' by Ariel Sharon.
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But really looking for the words   'peace and safety' spoken in today's times. 

verses:  https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Peace-And-Safety

That was fun to read!. I agree/disagree in part with both of you on somethings,not so much on others.

I came here this morning to throw a movie at ya'll. Yes, a real Hollyweird movie called "Kill the Messenger" and if you have not seen it in the light of what is going on right now in this country that used to be ours, I suggest that you sit down and spend two hours watching it. Remember the Iran/ Contra Affair? The whole thing was a CIA ran operation and we all remember it and what it was like. This movie focuses on the guy who broke the story about the CIA moving cocaine into America and selling it in back ghettos to make money to fund the Contras in their war effort.

Think back to Afghanistan. Remember the pro football player who left the Cardinals and enlisted to fight but was killed by "friendly fire" after he had contacted his dad described their first duty after entering Afghanistan? That duty was to secure and protect the poppy fields.

I'm taking a little break from pretty much everything for a couple of weeks. I am sleeping late, eating a lot, and just generally doing nothing except helping my wife with some cleaning the house. If you would like the link to the above mentioned movie where you can watch it for free, wait, I'll just put it here: https://123series.ru/movie/kill-the-messenger-8n1o/1-full

I have never had issues with the above website doing anything nefarious on my computer and I have used it for years. I do have popup blockers and various safeguards but it has never triggered them so I will vouch for the safety of this website.

ScaRZ wrote:

thefatcon......I reread your thoughts on Daniel 11.

Your view on Daniel 11:40...... The King of The North being The Antichrist, and The King of The South being Jesus Christ, just doesn't make sense to me at all. Jesus Christ is The King of Kings. I just don't see the connection at all to The King of The South.

"If" the verses of Daniel 11:39-45 are pointing to the end of days Antichrist, then the "Him and He" spoken of in verse 40 and beyond, I view as The Antichrist, not The King of The North. I view both The King of The North and The King of The South as coming against "Him = The Antichrist".

@thefatcon........Daniel 11:40 after reading and studying the last couple of days is hard to understand because of the lay out of the words, and it reads as a continuation of The King of The South and The King of The North as being united in the war, not fighting each other. But after a lot of study, I believe you are correct that The King of The North is The Antichrist.

When I'm wrong, I certainly don't mind admitting I was wrong. 

I should have seen this a long time ago and how it all connects to my thinking on the area The Antichrist will come from. I do not believe he comes from Europe as most point to. It appears to me he will come forth out of what is now modern day Turkey.

However I still don't see Jesus Christ as The King of The South.

I view battles fought and The Antichrist sweeping over them within Great Tribulation. He will be much like, the blitzkrieg of Hitler's forces, as well as compared to the great swiftness of Alexander The Great's military might. As you mentioned, only The Return of Jesus Christ will be able to stop him.

You and I view a return of Nimrod also as a very possible candidate.

Morning.  All I have is a qualifier to my question.  I'm such a stickler for 'words'. 

I take Peace to mean  "Peace"-the absence of conflict. Same with safety; to be free from the threat of attack.  

Then I am 'free' from worry, free to grow and prosper in all aspects of life. 
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However, I see where I'm putting two things together that may not belong together.

1But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

And:
Matthew 24:

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 then let them which be in Judæa flee into the mountains: 17 let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 for then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.


Also, to me, The Day of the Lord is the Day of Wrath. (???)
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And for some reason I'm struggling the past few days to put my thoughts together -at all-so, give me yours! 

@Dove.....Here is a question that was ask to me and my answer follows.

If God granted you three wishes and you can only remain living in the world we find ourselves living in, what would your three wishes be?

My answer:

Love, Peace, Security........."With those three until the new heavens and new earth, would be awesome."

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I believe Matthew 24:15-22 that you lay out above is speaking directly of great tribulation, the abomination of desolation will be the starting point of that. By Jesus Christ speaking of a shortening of those days in verse 22,  the final three and one half years of great tribulation are going to be reduced in some way.

I view 1 Thessalonians 5:3-6 as the very coming of Jesus Christ (The Day of The Lord)......."Time is up......there's no more delay."

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@thefatcon........Daniel 11:40 after reading and studying the last couple of days is hard to understand because of the lay out of the words, and it reads as a continuation of The King of The South and The King of The North as being united in the war, not fighting each other. But after a lot of study, I believe you are correct that The King of The North is The Antichrist.

When I'm wrong, I certainly don't mind admitting I was wrong. 

I should have seen this a long time ago and how it all connects to my thinking on the area The Antichrist will come from. I do not believe he comes from Europe as most point to. It appears to me he will come forth out of what is now modern day Turkey.

However I still don't see Jesus Christ as The King of The South.

I view battles fought and The Antichrist sweeping over them within Great Tribulation. He will be much like, the blitzkrieg of Hitler's forces, as well as compared to the great swiftness of Alexander The Great's military might. As you mentioned, only The Return of Jesus Christ will be able to stop him.

You and I view a return of Nimrod also as a very possible candidate.

Hi Scarz, appreciate your ability to change your mind when new evidence presents itself, shows your maturity. Was working on a follow up post to back up my original point, i may adapt that now.
Just want to add i enjoy our back and forth, we both present our point of view with what we believe backs it up. Whether we agree or disagree i like the fact its a civil debate. Cheers.

thefatcon wrote:

Hi Scarz, appreciate your ability to change your mind when new evidence presents itself, shows your maturity. Was working on a follow up post to back up my original point, i may adapt that now.
Just want to add i enjoy our back and forth, we both present our point of view with what we believe backs it up. Whether we agree or disagree i like the fact its a civil debate. Cheers.

I've been at different forums and really enjoy discussing scripture as well as other subjects that relate to the big picture. I enjoy the UFO topics to a certain point. I never claim to be a know it all like some I've come in contact with over the years. I have learned a lot from some of the different forum members over the many years.

I like discussions, not arguing........"All arguing does is close the door for understanding." We can't force feed and expect a good return. It's not about me or you having to be correct. I will stand firm until God moves me in a different direction.

If we always have to be right at any cost, this isn't anymore about the will of God, it's about self will. This is when for all believers and followers of Jesus Christ, it's time for God to give us a good backside spanking.

I spent some time yesterday reviewing maps of the Greek territory after Alexanders death in order to refresh my memory on the specifics. I did some heavy-lifting study on this years ago, focusing on the Antiochus Epiphanes IV/anti-christ connection. Although there were four divisions, only two mattered, the Selucid Empire(King of the North)and the Ptolemaic Empire(King of the South) after the wars of the Diadochi when an interesting pattern of culture developed that we call Hellenism. This pattern is rarely talked about from pulpits today, why(?) I don't know, but the U.S. seems to be blindly following a similar course with a different type of Hellenism.

Antiochus was a prototype of the anti-christ. I have an in-depth book that details his life and when I read it I read it within the biblical framework of the final anti-christ, the man of sin. Daniel saw them both but he saw them over centuries, like a mountain range. As a person drives toward the Rockies, from a distance they see the range as one big mountain but as they approach it the individual peaks and valleys are exposed. The OT prophets were not allowed to see the Church Age so Daniel saw Antiochus IV and the son of perdition as being one and the same.

It is well worth the time to read about the Selucid Empire because from that area will come the anti-christ. Its amazing just how precise the Book of Daniel really is

I've been debating about posting some material that I've come in contact with. Some of the people I know and have communicated with for several years have said some things that reminds me of material from a few months back. I have learned over the years to peel away certain layers to reach the core. There are three different blocks of material that I know of with a similar core story. They all have one common theme and that is a time when a DNA upgrade will occur for some of humanity.

As I've mentioned a few months ago this thing rings loudly of the New Age crowd in the mix. The whole feel I get about all this is a push to spread the message in a very slow burn out into the world. It all fits into The Source Singularity, the DNA upgrade. 

I'm going to hold off right now in posting it because I don't want people to believe I'm involved in any way with this movement.

I was going to to comment on the discussion between you and thefatcon about the King of the South being Jesus Christ. I always give folks the benefit of the doubt until I take a fair look at it. I have been rolling it around my brain for a few days and I cannot see any possibility of that being the case. Its just not possible,based on scripture and history. The King of the South is Egypt. The Diadochi Wars were some of history's most complicated and confusing wars that could be imagined and when they ended, brought in the period of Hellenism and its "enlightened" culture. This part of Daniel has already been fulfilled up to the point of Antiochus IV and the anti-christ part of the vision. Daniels vision starts with Antiochus and ends with anti-christ because they are so similar. Will a repeat play out with Turkey,Iran,Syria and Iraq, backed by Russia, go to war against Egypt? Its not out of the realm of possibilities,thats for sure. I can see them aligning right now, although not in a definite pattern yet.

Scarz, one great mystery is the worldwide presence of pyramids. What are they? Why were they built? There is something in their history that is the reason for them to be built, not only in Egypt, but around the world and its a subject that few want to tackle due to the mystery of them. Why not take a gander at them?

michael371 wrote:

Scarz, one great mystery is the worldwide presence of pyramids. What are they? Why were they built? There is something in their history that is the reason for them to be built, not only in Egypt, but around the world and its a subject that few want to tackle due to the mystery of them. Why not take a gander at them?

You are correct there are some very strange things about them being placed all around the world........"Do they all connect for some purpose?" 

I've often wondered if they're connected in some way to The Watchers.

I agree. The pyramids' purpose would be an interesting subject as well. I like to ready and think about all things you all have posted though . I love the biblical subjects. 
 I do remember about reading about them lining up  and a possible purpose in an article, but it was years ago and so can't recall where.

I recall writing once my thought that mountains-high places-were symbolic of 'Godlike' Authority.

Hence, the watchers descended on Mt. Hermon.
The tower of Babel meant to reach the 'High Place' of Rule, as is the Seat of the Almighty.

I'm guessing there were no mountains available in the desert, so the pyramids became their
"Mountains" of Authority.

It's curious that they are aligned with certain stars. Stars=angels/angelic abodes.  Is it that the pyramids were to honor certain angels?  Or even deeper, were they the earthly abode of 'the fallen
angels'=those who left their first estate. 

God's people were told to come out of Babylon, and to come out of Egypt.  Both are referred to
symbolically as representations/examples of satan's rule on the earth.  

God destroyed Babylon, but left Egypt as a 'sign' for all generations. 

According to the Bible, the pit and hellfire is what lies ahead for the fallen angels. The one prevailing  thing they seem to struggle for is the one thing they ultimately cannot have-immortality. 
Instead, there will a New Heaven and a New Earth.  Without them. 

I've had this cued up and haven't gotten to it...maybe helpful, maybe not. I'll try speed watching it.

(ACK!  It's over 2 hours long.    )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7hrzOCxaIE&t=2s

I've started listening.  So far, it is the wisdom of Hermes.  Very much in accordance with the Bible, yet
more in depth.  He sought and learned from the One True God. 
FAR LESS freaky than Enoch. 

At 15 minutes in, it's very similar to the Vedic literature of the ancient Rishis.  These all are the sages,
the wise men of old. 

It would be helpful to have this attached to a historical time period.   I guess that could be done,
or exists somewhere.

The New Jerusalem which descends from Heaven is in the shape of a pyramid, isn't it?

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I lean towards the pyramids existing before the flood.  It seems there are high
water marks on the Sphynx.

After reading the above posts, it appears that somebody has been doing some reading,listening and looking,lol. To me, the pyramids are the second most mysterious objects in history, second only to the Urim and Thummim carried by the priests. The pyramids are the subject of wonder and amazement as well as the 'who,where and why" that keeps some of us going.

I do believe that the Great Pyramid of Giza was the product of Watcher technology and influence and survived the flood. From what I understand, most of it is buried under the sand, or a large part of it is. I have read and listened, watched videos and thought a lot about the origin and meaning of them and the most obvious thing is what id discussed in the above posts, a high point(aka "mountain") but with a twist concerning the Giza pyramid. Supposedly, there is a prophetic timeline inside the pyramid construction. I have listened to hours of lectures through the years and to be honest, I have no opinion because I don't know:

http://www.gizapyramid.com/pyr.htm

The story of the "Kings Chamber" was interesting and I remember the big deal with it when they sent the little robot camera into it and got the "Al Capone's Vault" result after it got inside. Now, the most interesting thing about pyramids is that they are found worldwide. Just take a deep breath, and think about this a minute. In ancient times, people were separated by water. Or, were they? I won't get into continental drift right now because I'll get offtrack from the pyramids and end up not writing what I set out to write, but it might play a role in how the idea of pyramid spread. How did the Indians of Peru get the idea of a pyramid? Or the Chinese? Or, Russia, Australia, Africa, etc? There has to be a common denominator to their origins. It is very well known, although rarely discussed, that every culture has a story concerning "starmen" mating with their women. I think that this may well be the smoking gun that gives at a clue concerning pyramids. It appears that all cultures had some connection to pyramids, add that to the "all cultures had starmen babies" possibility and one would have to entertain the idea that the two just be the result of that Watcher incursion.

We know that some pyramids were built by men and those are obvious. They were copies of something, just as the practice of skull elongation was a copy of something that they had seen. But where? Engineers tell us that the construction of the Great Pyramid of Giza cannot be replicated today, even with all of the machinery that we have. The stones were cut with such precision that some claim that only a laser could do that type cutting. How did they get the stones up to the top? The one thing I am fairly sure of is that the Egyptians didn't build them.

Since Scarz used the scripture and cited the words of Josephus that I was going to point to, there is not more that I can cite as evidence of the origins of the pyramids. Even the meaning of them is clouded by history.

Its daylight so I'll stop my ramblings. The pyramids are something that does not get the attention that they need. The mystery around them is just awesome!

I remember seeing a video on  pyramid (s) under the ocean. It may be mentioned in the above videos. I can hardly wait to view them -  so thanks to all for listing . 
 I also wonder about those large carvings in  the surface of this planet - only recognizable from above the earth .  Hoping to have some time right away to study this more as well.

I also wonder about those large carvings in  the surface of this planet - only recognizable from above the earth

the Nazca lines? Yeah. I first learned about those after reading Erich von Danikins book."Chariots of the Gods". He was largely a fraud but that as one interesting book

After having my internet down most of the day yesterday, I have to try and recapture my thinking concerning what I was going to write about,lol. I love the msteries of the pyramids but one has to wade through the fallacies,also. That is sad too.

We get the theories and speculation but it seems that there is no solid evidence of what they were for, or how they were built. How were those massive stones carried there and how were they placed at the height they are at? There is no way that the Egyptians built them,and I am only talking about the Giza Pyramids and not the ones that were obvious attempts at replication.

Here is a small piece from an article that I'll cut and paste that shows how the average person thinks concerning complicated issues. The author tries to make it sound so simple:

"While the pyramid was originally built by 4,000 workers over the course of 20 years using strength, sleds and ropes, building the pyramid today using stone-carrying vehicles, cranes and helicopters would probably take 1,500 to 2,000 workers around five years, and it would cost on the order of $5 billion, Houdin said, based on manpower and cost of constructing the Hoover Dam on the Colorado River during the Great Depression. The dam contains a volume of concrete roughly equal to the stone in the pyramid. By comparison, the 1,776-foot-tall One World Trade Center being constructed in downtown Manhattan will cost an estimated $4 billion."

Now, I ask ya'll, reckon how many Egyptian helicopter pilots were around at the time of the construction? Or crane operators? How did they cut the sandstone and granite with such precision? Lets see, a damn ramp with a sled, carrying a stone that averaged 4600 lbs each going round and round up to a height of 700 feet? All of that weight being pulled by a camel hair rope. Lol, that ain't gonna happen,folks.

Now, I am going to step outside of the subject at hand and throw this in here because it does concern the pyramids in an indirect way. Another mystery that I realy love is the Coral Castle mystery built by a little Lativian name Edward Leedskalnin. It is absolutely fascinating, especially the story of the writer who made a trip to uncover how he built this. He found out a few things but he was unable to find or figure out how Edward was able to do this. Now here is where my radar beeper went off concerning this story. According to various people, Edward always answered the question of how he was able to do this with "if you knew how the pyramids were built, you would have the answer to your question."

https://theculturetrip.com/north-america/usa/florida/articles/the-story-behind-ed-leedskalnins-coral-castle-in-florida/

The Coral Castle story is so interesting that if you are not familiar with it I suggest that you take some time to do a little study on it, just for fun. I'm sure that there is some embellishment that got thrown in throughout the years, but it the evidence is there,as well as witnesses that were present at the time. He actually loaded trucks by himself in order to move the entire exhibit to another place. Was he aided by some special knowledge that only he was in possession of?

I just don't buy the Egyptian story of them building the pyramids which leaves only two other possibilities. Did God build them,or author them, or did the Watchers build them. One thing that I always pay attention to in Egyptian hieroglyphics and artwork, is how the Pharaohs are depicted. They always tower over the people and animals and some are shown as part animal, as if they were gods. Is this an indication of something?

Well, daylight is here and the dogs have got to go out. One more thing, the Freemasons make the claim that they originated in ancient Egypt and are concerned with the ancient "mysteries" so are they connected? (I don't think so but they might believe it and that aall that matters to them)

this video is not about pyramids but it located in Egypt and ineresting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkza8Zffv0s

ScaRZ wrote:

The thing is I've read what you have written. In my opinion I see nothing that leads me to believe The King of The South is Jesus Christ. There are nations of the world that will come against The Antichrist and The Book of Daniel most certainly points to them. There is no doubting they make a stand no matter how it turns out for them.


I read different versions of The Bible, not just the KJV. It doesn't matter which version, because I compare the same verses. The versions I use most often are KJV, ESV, and NASB. I also don't just read one verse......"I study the complete Chapters and do a lot of research on the many subjects of The Bible."


I just don't see it the way you do in The Book of Daniel. Some of your views I can agree with, but there are things we are far apart on. I can tell you are a pre-trib rapture believer, I am not. We might as well get that out in the open. That being the case, we will be far apart in many, many areas of thinking on several Biblical subjects.

If The Antichrist rules the entire countries of this whole earth, then why is he so worried about news coming out of the east and the north (Dan 11:44)? Every person on the face of this earth does not worship him. People take the word "All" and think that means the entire literal earth. There are going to be sheep and goat nations, they are not all goat nations.

Dan 11:44........"But news from the east and the north shall alarm him, and he shall go out with great fury to destroy and devote many to destruction."

We must take a closer look at scripture to determine whether “All” must always be understood in a literal, universal sense. We can find out very quickly that it doesn't.


Mark 1:5........“And there went out unto him ALL the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were ALL baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.”


Do you think for one second that every single person (All) in that area was baptized?...."No Way!"


Luke 2:1-3........“And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that ALL the world should be taxed. (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.) And ALL went to be taxed, every one into his own city.”


Was literally the whole world taxed?...."No it wasn't!"


Ezra 1:2........“Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The LORD Elohim of heaven hath given me ALL the kingdoms of the earth;”


I'll say it again, no way every literal kingdom on the face of this whole earth. What about the native Indians in North and South America? Was the Gospel preached to the whole literal earth during the lives of the disciples? These verses are just a very small sample, The Bible is full of them. These verses are obvious examples of a figure of speech known as a "synecdoche'.


synecdoche.....a figure of speech by which a part is put for the whole, or the whole for a part.


It's all about in most cases the Biblical writers known world. The vast majority centers around the middle east and those people and countries in and around that area. 


The Antichrist cannot have dominion over the whole literal planet (All) if even one nation is able to “escape his hand.”


Daniel 11:41........"He shall come into the glorious land. And tens of thousands shall fall, but these shall be delivered out of his hand: Edom and Moab and the main part of the Ammonites."

Sorry about the lateness of this reply, a few family issues came up and took my attention. The conversation has moved on since i started this so please ignore if parts of this are not relevant any more.

I suppose it all come down to how we see the tribulation play out in a wider context. For me i do see the rapture happening which would remove those who would stand against the Antichrist.
The advanced technology At the Antichrists disposal makes me think no human hand can stand against him, although it could be possible that the weapons technology could proliferate in the hands of people who could turn against him, making them a more formidable foe. Your quote about the news from the East and the North making him go out to destroy many gives credence to that theory. On the other hand it could just be the news that his authority has been rejected as they have turned to Jesus.
I really just can't see how humanity puts up an effective resistance on a physical level against the Antichrist and his minions.
What the people of the time have to contend with is insane; starvation, disease, multiple judgements from heaven, being locked out of the financial system. those who do follow the Antichrist becoming their mortal enemy, poisoned water supply, a 200 million strong supernatural army sweeping over the globe destroying nations.
For me the most anyone can do is reject the Antichrist for Jesus and take whats coming to them.
Those who do reject The Antichrist have the timeline laid out before them in the Bible, they know how the Antichrist is defeated and it will not be by the hand of mortal man. Anyone around at that time know any kind of assault will be futile, which led me to believe the King of the South must be more than human and that only leaves One who is capable of taking the Antichrist on in Jesus.
Daniel 11 guides us quite meticulously in my eyes to the conclusion the past King of the North was a type of Antichrist, so when it jumps forward to the future King of the North we would be in no doubt the Antichrist was being referenced. From that it made sense to have the future King of the South as the true Messiah.
Israel was always caught in the middle between these two Kings as the Seleucid empire was based in Syria [in the latter era of the empire] and Ptolomaic empire in Egypt, and i believe that translates to the tribulation where the age of Grace has ended and the final 7 years of the prophetic 490 years of Daniel 9:24-27 where the focus is once more back on the Jews and Israel, caught between the the King of the North [Antichrist] and the King of the South [Jesus Christ]

Did the Link between Mount Zaphon & Baal and Mount Maqla and Jesus not give you a nudge to seeing Jesus as the King of the South. I though the technique of David Flynn in measuring between the two points and what was found between the two mountains was very revealing.  I get that Daniel 11 on its own does not reveal the identity of the Future King of the South, its why i did the reach as it bugged me as to who it was.
I get how you would think Jesus could not be the King of the South as it seems as during the Tribulation the two kings are at war, and with Jesus only returning at hte end of the Tribulation it does not seem to make sense.
The thing is the two do not have to go toe to toe, mano a mano. We have the Book of Revelation to show us the weapons of war Jesus uses against the Antichrist in the seal, trumpet and bowl Judgements. Consider it long range artillery, and the reason the Antichrist/King of the North is is out to destroy many [Daniel 11:44] is he and the world he leads is suffering by the judgemnents metered out from on high. He cannot reach into heaven to fight Jesus, so he goes all out to destroy all who follow Him down here.
Someone made a comment about Babylon being the centre of the King of the Norths kingdom, I think that echoes the Tribulation where Babylon is rebuilt only to be taken away [Revelation 18] from the Antichrist like when Babylon was lost to the king of the North in the past.

@thefatcon......I did my best to lay out scripture that points to why I can not view it as you do. In your reply I see nothing there that even attempts to go to scripture to make your point. Yes, you are correct the conversation had moved far beyond this post I made. I realize all of us do much speculation when it comes to unfulfilled future prophecy, it's just part of it. If your work in many parts is only your thinking, only what you believe, only speculation, then you need to be sure and say that about it. 

You need to read all the other post of mine and others, then you can get a better picture where the full conversation has been taken. I thought we had gotten far beyond this post of mine. I will tell you this, as most members here already know about me. I try my best to lay out scripture to back up my thoughts, my opinions, my beliefs on Biblical subjects. Without that, in my opinion it truly is all speculation.


I believe most prophecy teachers of today line up with a seven year tribulation period and a complete future fulfillment of the 70th week of Daniel. I was brought up teething on Traditional Dispensationalism which taught a seven year tribulation that needs to begin after a Pre-Trib Rapture. Every teacher I listened and read their material "Always" went straight to Daniel 9 to pull a seven year tribulation out of the text.

I once held that view but to be totally honest I never was all that comfortable with it. The more I began to read scripure for myself, the more I moved away from that view of things. To me there are just too many of those ideas that do not fit after years of study. I'm not saying that all that teach a seven year tribulation believe in a Pre-Trib Rapture......"But a great many do."

I will tell everybody that I no longer believe in a Seven Year Tribulation (I believe in 3.5 years of Great Tribulation that are to be fulfilled), or a Seven Year Peace Treaty with Israel and The Man of Sin =The Antichrist ( I see no treaty at all), or a Not Yet Fulfilled 70th Week of Daniel (I now lean towards a Partially Fulfilled=3.5 years), or a Pre-Trib Rapture (I believe in a meeting in the air at The Last Trumpet/Seventh), or All Seven Seals remaining to be broken (I now believe The First 5 Seals have been broken and have for many years).

What I am writing today has nothing to do with any of the discussions,except maybe the pyramids in an indirect way. While watching videos yesterday about Coral Castles I got sidetracked by a video concerning Nikola Tesla. I had become interested in this man about 35 years ago when I heard Dr Gene Scott do a teaching on his idea of creating free energy using the earth as a conduit. About halfway through the 5 part video, it hit me right in the face. I know what the plan is concerning all of this electric car crap! I will just summarize and then post the videos and let the experts explain much better than me.

 The more of the videos that I watched, it became obvious that these guys were on to to something and were reaching the same conclusion. The powers that be, the corporatocracy, intend to use Tesla's idea to wirelessly electrify America! You must watch these videos! These guys lay it all out and even recreated some of Teslas experiments. They worked! When Tesla died, his records and blueprints were taken and are missing and the FBI denied any knowledge of Tesla until a FOIA request was declassified and "boom" guess what? Tesla had designed an electric car in 1882! The Osprey plane/helicopter? Guess who designed it? The man had a working cell phone in the early 1900's!

Tesla was fascinated by the pyramids,too and though they were hardly mentioned in the 5 part video, I watched another video where he  built a tower facility known as the Tesla Experimental Station  in Colorado Springs and Wardencliff Tower or Tesla Tower on the East Coast that sought to take advantage of the Earth’s energy field. The locations were chosen according to the laws of where the Pyramids of Giza were built, related to the relationship between the elliptical orbit of the planet and the equator. The design was intended for wireless transmission of energy.

PLease, please watch these videos! Now, most importantly> THINK< as you watch! The raid on President Trump, were they after something that he had that was about some of Tesla's work? Probably not, but pay attention to the names of the people that you see and hear in the videos. Watch all 5 of the videos. They may be the most exciting and fascinating videos that I have ever seen.

The big picture becomes clear once you process all of the info that you will get out of these 5 videos. The man went against the powers that be and they destroyed him. Sound familiar?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FseDBKT3FL0

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mju4lGUBIE8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zewxittgd_Y&t=22s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xti-rAYW9wc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmBTE-1LsLg

Michael I will get to them when I get some time, hopefully later this morning.

Thanks Michael !! With the rain coming in, I will get to this right away !  ( I intend to download them too ) .

thefatcon, you seem to be a really intelligent guy and I mean no disrespect, but Scarz is correct. One must stay inside the parameters of scriptural context, not saying that there isn't a time for thinking abstractly and outside of the box, in order to come to a true conclusion. It is clear how Jesus arrives in His 2nd advent where He touches down on the Mount of Olives.
Anyway, I sure enjoyed reading this. Keep it up

michael371 wrote:

About halfway through the 5 part video, it hit me right in the face. I know what the plan is concerning all of this electric car crap! 

 I do remember some of this. I did view one of the programs on The History Channel.

Don't leave me hanging......."What hit you in the face,.......Tell me exactly point by point what is in their plan with the Electric car crap?

The next several years a huge push will take place for electric cars. We are just in the first phase. It is going to move just like the whole cell phone push years ago, and we all can see where that has gone, and about the rate of time it will take to reach a very high point, can't we?

Tesla's blueprints for free energy was stolen by the OSS and after TWO days, John Trump, Donald Trumps UNCLE, deemed them worthless. Remember, in the early 1900's, the petroleum industry,Standard Oil of Ohio, was in its infancy and J.D. Rockefeller and J.P. Morgan became bitter enemies of Tesla and set out to discredit and humiliate him.

FREE ENERGY! An electrical wireless grid across America, except it won't be free. It has to be the reason that these asshats seem so unconcerned about the energy supply. They are going to use Tesla's plan. Scarz, just watch all 5 of videos man, its laid out perfectly and the science is absolute and true. Just take the time to watch this and it'll jump at you

No, no.....you are missing the point....There is going to be a global reset financially, there is going to be an infrastructure reset using Tesla's ideas to propel the electric car industry and other aspects of daily life that will now depend on electricity rather than petroleum or nuclear energy. The electricity is produced from the ionosphere and the earth in a naturally occurring state and transferred wirelessly creating an entirely new economy. How many car commercials have you seen lately that were not advertising electric vehicles? I'll answer with "none" because even the oil companies are investing in electric vehicles. Something is happening that has not a damn to do with the climate horseshit but to create brand new industries and produce a situation where we have to comply.

Look around for a minute. We are hearing of a collapse in the financial market for automobiles because people are losing jobs and can't pay the ridiculous payments. A depressed economy will have financiers holding the bag for all of those vehicles that they can't sell. Housing then will fall......BUT,BUT, along comes THE GREAT RESET to help everybody out but only on their terms. Look for a find of vast quantities of Lithium somewhere in the US, probably under Federal Land.

I poo-pooed the idea of killing off the oil industry but I don't any more. Just as the globalists took over Congress using the Federal Reserve Act, just as Westinghouse and Edison took over the energy market and JD Rockefeller and Henry Ford took over the petroleum and auto markets, this very thing is going to happen again.

Just watch the videos, man! It'll get much clearer to you by them rather than my old, addled brain can explain it, though I am damn good on gathering evidence and piecing shit together. The names of all of the players are the same as today, just disguised. Now, why are supposedly "sensible" people falling for this climate change ruse? They are fooled, they are wanting their piece of the pie when the time comes to invest. The large corporations going ass deep into some really stupid stuff? Why?

The US is about to make a drastic change in ideology using technology derived for Tesla. The intentions are for them to make the money and we foot the bill, just like it has always been. I don't think it will work out like they want it to this time. There is a reason Nikola Tesla was almost erased from history. Like George Carlin always said, " its a big club and we ain't in it!"

I hope that I made myself more clear on what I figured out. It hit me halfway through episode 1 and later the guys affirmed what I was thinking. What is also scary is that Tesla designed some really freaky weapons systems away from his electric inventions. If you live any length of time, you WILL be forced to buy an electric vehicle, change your heating system. It will take many years to implement this and once its started, there will be no going back to oil and if there is a major snafu that takes place, America becomes a 3rd world nation

California - Lithium Valley anyone?

Michael371 wrote:

Something is happening that has not a damn to do with the climate horseshit but to create brand new industries and produce a situation where we have to comply.
 
Look for a find of vast quantities of Lithium somewhere in the US, probably under Federal Land.
 
Just as the globalists took over Congress using the Federal Reserve Act, just as Westinghouse and Edison took over the energy market and JD Rockefeller and Henry Ford took over the petroleum and auto markets, this very thing is going to happen again.
 
Just watch the videos, man! It'll get much clearer to you by them rather than my old, addled brain can explain it

 
I think Mike is spot on! I need to go see those videos Mike is talkin’ about.
 
This 'lithium found in the USA' has become a VERY RECENT hot topic on the internet the past few months. Search engine will pull scads more up. U-tube is filled to the brim with the subject as well. A few examples follow. The video is one that I happened to watch a few days ago.
 
The Salton Sea could produce the world’s greenest lithium, if new extraction technologies work
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/04/the-salton-sea-could-produce-the-worlds-greenest-lithium.html
 
Is the Salton Sea hiding enough lithium to power America?
https://bigthink.com/the-future/salton-sea-lithium/
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfZqpdt3Zy0
 

Thanks for providing the Lithium info, it was the only part of the equation that would be a stumbling block but I suspect that they already have found huge deposits of it and is why they have escalated the pace. Notice in the CNBC video where GM and Ford have already jumped into the deep end of the pool on EV's? The "charging stations" will powered by Tesla Coils that are able to draw the electricity out of the Ionosphere. Tesla wanted it to be free but there will be a meter on all of this, you can bet on that.

@Michael......"I was giving my thoughts on the History Channel series as a whole, and that was all.".........My review of the way it was presented. (Film critic)

I had already mentioned in a prior post the main focus about electric autos and where it's headed as I see it. Now all the other things that will follow, I think you are correct. That's what I was looking for......"Tell it exactly as you believe, don't hold back anything."

Researcher actually built a Tesla Coil!!!!!Outstanding! So, you saw it actually work as did the guys in the video who tried them out in their experiments!

The document and blueprint confiscation was the big clue to me that there was something amiss with the whole situation. Why deny it and then later under the FOIA Act admit it? This leftist plan under the BBB act crap provides massive amounts of money under "infrastructure" which everyone assumes will be charging stations, but thats a lot of money for that alone. I read where Cadillac(IIRC) will be all electric by 2030 and most of Fords will be. That may be the other way around,I could have got them reversed, so you see the commitment to this. Here is a post from TD to show just serious they are:
"I am currently on a road trip in the NE and you wouldn't believe the number of EV's up here. They have these "service centers" off the interstate with massive banks of chargers and they are all full with people waiting every time I pulled in over the last four days. I laughed as I filled up and left. People waiting hours to recharge their car. LoL"

If the infrastructure is paid for by the taxpayers, and funded by the buyers there is very little overhead and the profit will be enormous. In my very unlearned opinion, I don't see it happening. I see it being poorly planned and a project that collapses under its own weight.

By phasing out petroleum, we are more controllable due to being confined to a homing-type area around the place where  one lives to go with all of our communications being monitored.

I get the big picture now. I may not live to see the major effort take place but I am damn sure living in the beginning stages of it. As John was in awe when he was on Patmos, I am in awe for different reasons. My awe is from the sheer dumbassery of the political leaders of this nation. I see us being an equal to Mexico in maybe 10-15 years. Unreal

here is another way of forcing this shit on us:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2022/08/23/australian-bank-plans-to-stop-giving-out-loans-for-gas-vehicles-by-2025-n2612113

sounds pretty damned familiar to me!!!!!!!