The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation

Thank ya'll Scars and Dove. Very good posts.
 This song is tender to my heart. Sister and I had this  song sang acapella by a very talented friend at Mama's funeral. It was out in the woods at a family plot among beautiful moss laden trees. It puts me in the Spirit  every time I hear it- no music necessary.  Thank you again.

I believe Satan and the Fallen Messengers have the deed to this earth and one day Christ will return taking back the deed to this earth and placing it back in the hands of God The Father.

Christ will lead all nations back to The Father........When thinking of the nations.......Think of the ethnic groups. (a community or population made up of people who share a common cultural background or descent.)

"Come out of her." ........The Church are the called out ones from [The World].

Before Christ came into this world the gentile nations were left outside. All the gentile nations had to be grafted or added into the fold.

Christ came into this world to make it possible for all nations, kindreds, and tongues to be saved, bringing them back to The Father.

The Holy Spirit was poured out only after Christ ascended. This is when Paul came into the picture to be the apostle of the gentiles.

Romans 11:13


For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

1 Timothy 2:7


Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

2 Timothy 1:11


Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.


Satan is the god of this world and has been for a very long time. But Christ will one day take it back. 

When the seventh trumpet sounds Christ is going to then take the kingdoms of this world.


Revelation 11:15


And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


Psalm 82:8


Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

2 Corinthians 4:3-4


But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:


In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Jesus Christ was offered the kingdoms of this world by Satan when he was being tempted. Satan knew he had been delivered these kingdoms and he used them in an attempt to get Jesus to fall.

Luke 4:5-7


And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.


And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.


If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.

All three temptations that are written about in the account of Christ temptation are the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. These temptations were used also by the serpent in the garden. Things aways have a way of repeating themselves don't they?


1 John 2:15-16


Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.


For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.






Genesis 3:6


And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

good for food......................"Lust of the flesh"

pleasant to the eyes............"Lust of the eyes"

desired to make one wise....."Pride of life"

I believe we need the Old Testament as well as the New Testament. There are people who don't even use the Old Testament at all in their churches. If you don't use the whole Bible to teach from, how would your congregation understand beginning and end?

I know many will disagree with me but the sharp two edge sword that comes from the mouth of Christ I believe is the spoken Word of God.

When Jesus Christ was being tempted by Satan, Christ used scripture and spoke it to get Satan to flee. Christ used the sharp sword as a weapon against Satan. Satan uses a flood of temptation and deception from his mouth that can only be turned away by the power of the sharp two edge sword.

The World swallows the flood from Satan's mouth. Satan and his forces never give up using the flood against Believers of Christ, but Christ through his examples show us how to get Satan and his forces to flee from us.

The Babylonian religion has woven itself among many churches and religions. One doesn't even have to be involved in a church or religion, because our world has been flooded by it's culture, customs and traditions.

We are rebuilding a "Tower" of our knowledge and pride, erecting ourselves to believe we don't need God. God gives us instruction, but we say, "No God!"

We desire to build a name for ourselves, as was the case of Nimrod and his followers.

This whole world is full of the Babylonian Religion and most people don't want to hear it. Nimrod's great tower may have fallen a long time ago, but the Babel message lives and thrives this very day.

"People do not love men who give them the truth, but rather men who give them illusions."

John Greenway, THE INEVITABLE AMERICANS

Luke 3:21-23


Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,


And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,


As Luke 3:23 says Jesus after he was baptized and the Holy Ghost descended upon him he was about thirty years of age. The verse doesn't tell us he was thirty years old but about. So he would've been either some younger or some older than thirty. After Jesus was baptized he is led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil forty days.(Luke 4:1-13)

When the devil ends the temptation Jesus then goes into Galilee in the power of the Spirit and begins his teaching in their synagogues. I believe this is when Jesus began his ministry.(Luke 4:14-15)

Jesus then went to Nazareth and entered the synagogue on the sabbath day and he was given the book of the prophet Esaias (Isaiah) and Jesus read Isaiah 61:1-2. Jesus is explaining or teaching to them what his ministry is all about.(Luke 4:18-19)

Jesus then tells them he is the fulfillment of Isaiah's prophecy in verse 21.

Jesus in Luke 4:24 tells them," No prophet is accepted in his own country." Jesus is telling them that his own people will reject him.

I believe the very next verse lets us all know how long his ministry will last. Luke 4:25....."But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land." I believe Jesus was telling them that he wouldn't be in his heavenly home for the next three and one half years, but would remain on earth for that period of time.

John 1:14......"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

Jesus went on to say in Luke 4:25...."when great famine was throughout all the land." I believe Jesus is talking to them about a spiritual hunger and him being the bread of life. Jesus knew he would be rejected for his three and one half years of his ministry but after his fulfillment of doing the will of The Father he would ascend into heaven and "Elijah's rain" would finally come, the pouring out of the Holy Spirit.

I don't think we should ever be afraid to ask questions or ask for understanding. When talking with some believers they appear to think it's wrong to question. They seem like they are afraid of losing their faith if they question the way they have been taught.

If I don't seek then I really don't have that much interest in the first place. I believe God will lead us to understanding if we seek. I'm a human being and I desire full understanding in a blink of an eye,  but this doesn't ever appear the way God chooses things to go. 

Here I am walking down a path and my progress is blocked by a closed door. Am I going to say, "Oh well I can't advance beyond this point, so I will just turn around."

Or am I just going to stand there forever staring at a closed door? Or should I knock to see if the door will open?

If I turn around, I give up. If I just stand there I will become stagnant and just accept the situation and hope one day the door will open. But if I choose to knock, then that will take not only faith but also some work on my behalf.

I believe having faith I will then stretch forward my arm, extent my hand, close my fingers into a fist and knock, and the door will open. The door that once blocked my path to understanding has now been opened. This is God opening up my heart to understanding. As it says in James 2:20......"But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"


James 2:21-26


Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?


Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?


And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.


Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.


Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?


For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.




I believe one thing with all my heart and thats the fact if we really want to understand we must search things out. I believe The Light of knowledge and understanding will come if we search. The below verse shines a bright light on this very thinking.

Matthew 7:7


Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

IN MEMORIAM TO DR. MICHAEL HEISER

Tom Horn wrote:

I am sad to announce that our dear friend Dr. Michael Heiser passed away yesterday afternoon.

When I first heard the news over a year ago about his pancreatic cancer prognosis I cannot tell you how much my heart was broken for him, his family, and for the world. He was such a huge blessing to me, my kids, and the SkyWatch family as wells as countless others worldwide over the years.

[more at the link]

https://www.skywatchtv.com/2023/02/21/memoriam-to-michael-heiser/

So sad to hear of Michael Heiser's passing away. Michael was the best teacher of scripture I've ever read or watched. He has taught me so much over the last 15+ years. 

Thank you brother Mike and God bless you for all the work you have done for The LORD.

I agree. He was a great teacher and he will be missed very much.  I have missed a lot  but knew he looked very sick from the cancer ,the last video I watched.   I intend to catch up on his videos as soon as  work slows down here.

The bloodline that came from Adam and Eve and leads all the way to Jesus was not from Cain or Abel, it came through Seth. This bloodline of Seth produces Enoch and on through Noah as the old world dies.

Genesis 4:25


And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

Notice in the verse below that the son of Seth (Enos) was a special seed indeed because mankind must have been far away from God before his birth. After Enos was born (then began men) to call upon the name of the LORD.

Genesis 4:26


And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

Genesis 5, tells us Adam was 130 years of age when Seth was born by Eve. And then Seth was 105 when Enos was born, which was when "men began to call on the name of the Lord." 


"Adam" is a name not only of one Man, but also a name of the "generations" of Man. Notice the male and female are Adam.

Genesis 5:1-3


This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;



Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.



And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:



We know that Adam had sons and daughters after Seth because scripture says so. But no matter how many sons Adam had, the Seth seed was the special seed.

Genesis 5:4


And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

Wonderful, ScaRZ!  

I agree with Dove. This post in particular made me feel so good on a rather heavy day. I knew  Seth was the bloodline of our Savior,  but it did me soo good to  have it stated again.  
  I just love this !!

Thank you Dove and Bordercollie for your post. I have been reading the whole lay out and it is a great study. Every time I seem to find things that are so very interesting.

Mankind (The Flesh, Old Adam) is in rebellion against God. The flesh is at war with the spirit and the spirit is at war with the flesh.


Even as a believer in Jesus Christ we war with our flesh (Clay) every second. No doubt we all can be saved believers in Jesus Christ but to be truly Born Again we must put off this flesh. This is the whole purpose of the Resurrection.... "A Rebirth"..........."Off with the Old, on with the New." This goes back also to the words of scripture........"I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable." (1 Corinthians 15:50)


I think also of the words Jesus Christ spoke to Peter after Jesus ask him........"But who do you say that I am?”.........and Peter answered........"You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
Look closely what Jesus said next........"Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 16:17)


Spirt reveals the spirit, our clay can not. This is the whole reason God The Father must draw us..........."No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day." (John 6:44)

This flesh, this Old Adam will look and move the direction of the wide path. I believe God must "Draw" us to the narrow path.

Man is lost in a vast wilderness (The World and the Things of The World) and without following the voice of God he will remain lost and the narrow path can't be found.

The natural man is unaware that he is drawn away from the gospel message and his need to come to Christ for salvation.

His unregenerated fleshly self is easily a target for Satanic influence in his thinking. Alternatives are put out by the carload in order to get around coming to a place of acknowledgement of sin and one's need of a Savior sent by the Father.

Since we are not taken to Heaven the minute we're saved, we still have to do battle. The Whole Armor of God given in Ephesians 6:10-18 is necessary to ward off (subtle) attacks of Satan.

Most believe Genesis 2 is just a deeper explanation of the events in Genesis 1.


Genesis 1:11-13


And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.


And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.


And the evening and the morning were the third day.



As you see above God has now completed the third day of creation when the plants were seen as good in creation.


Genesis 1:21-23


And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.


And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.


And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.



Now creation has completed the fifth day of creation, the waters are full of fish and creatures as well as all the fowls of the earth.


Genesis 1:24-25


And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.


And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.


The beast, cattle, living creature and creeping things have been brought forth from the earth and man is about to follow in creation.


Genesis 1:26-27


And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.


So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.



As we see now man comes into the picture well after plants and just after the animals. One thing to notice is God creates man and with the creation of mankind he creates both male and female.


Genesis 1:28


And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.


God now puts a blessing on mankind and tells them to mate with one another, bringing forth offspring of themselves. Mankind is to rule over creation. One important fact to look at is there is no mention of sin entering the picture. 


Genesis 1:29-31


And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.


And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.


And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.


To this point which is the completion of the sixth day of creation mankind as will as the beast of the earth, the fowl of the air and everything that creepeth on the earth are vegetation eaters. This  however never mentions the living creations of the oceans, seas, rivers and springs of the earth.


Through the first six days of creation there still is no mention of The Garden of Eden or The Garden of Paradise. There is no mention of the fall of mankind. As it says in Genesis 1:31......."God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good." God never says everything was perfect, but it was very good. I have a hard time understanding how everything was very good if the fall had taken place.


After the full six days of creation we are now about to enter the rest period of day seven, this is where Genesis 2 begins. Through the full seven days of creation everything appears to be very good.

Genesis 2:2-3


And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.


And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


From the period of time at the completion of day six until the fulfillment of the seventh day a rest period takes place and God ends creation.


Genesis 2:7


And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


Now we see in Genesis 2 that man is formed, God gives him the breath of life and he becomes a living soul. Is this just a reflection back to Genesis 1 creation of mankind? If it's a reflection back then Adam was part of the creation somewhere in the sixth day and on into the fulfillment of the seventh day and was living outside of The Garden of Eden.


Genesis 2:8-9


And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.


And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.



Now we can see God plants a Garden in Eden. This planting of the Garden was never mentioned in Genesis 1. We most certainly never saw it mentioned in Genesis 1 of The Tree of Life or The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Everything in Genesis 1 was of the plants, animals, fowl, water creatures and mankind (Male and Female) outside of this Garden.


As we see above in Genesis 2:8 God takes [The Man] he formed and places him inside the Garden. The man was formed outside the Garden never inside the Garden. There also has been no mention of animals or fowl of any kind within the Garden.


Genesis 2:15


And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.


God took [The Man] placing him inside the Garden to dress it and keep it. God commands the man he can eat of all the trees within this Garden but one. God warns the man in the day he eats of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil he will die.


Genesis 2:18-19


And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.


Now we finally see when the animals, fowl and every living creature are formed by God. In Genesis 1 the animals, fowl and all living creatures were created before man.

If God brought them to Adam as it says in Genesis 2:19 then we know God brought them into The Garden. At this point Adam was to give all living creatures names that were brought to him.


To this point the man Adam still has no female companion but God is about to make one from him.


Genesis 2:21-23


And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;


And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.


And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.


This looks like God uses a type of cloning to create a female from the male.


As the story continues forward the man and the woman are never told to have offspring (Children). Not until after the fall do we see children come into the picture. This is much different than what was said in Genesis 1:28....."And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

Through a few years of study on "The Grey's" they appear to live no reflection of a personality.

They will tell you whatever you want to hear. They will let you assume whatever you want to assume. But they always leave a fulcrum (a thing that plays a central or essential role in an activity, event, or situation) with which to direct you towards a goal.

They are what I call the worker bees of the hive.

This seems to indicate to me that they are a genetically engineered outer crust and their makers attempt to masquerade it. I believe being soulless would be what you get, no true personality. But what inner force (Spirit) gives life to the outside shell?

I think their makers are hoping we buy the "Off Planet Culture" card. They are banking on us buying only the mask of the outside shell.

Interesting on the 'greys'.  I have no idea about them.

I ran into this yesterday.  I haven't confirmed it but it looks to be substantiated.

Any thoughts on it?

Dove wrote:

I ran into this yesterday.  I haven't confirmed it but it looks to be substantiated.

Any thoughts on it?

 
I personally don't view either one of the words Allah or Elohim as "THE NAME OF THE LORD GOD". I see them both as a word for God. In Hebrew the word Elohim/elohim within scripture can be pointing to The One True....... THE LORD GOD (Elohim)......or it can be pointing to Any Within The Spirit Realm (elohim). The Spirit Realm is full of elohim, but there is only one Elohim.

Think about all the little gods (elohim) that populate the spirit realm. There are many humans (past, present, future) who have, who are, and who will worship (serve) THE LORD GOD (Elohim)........"But" the vast majority of humans have, do, and will worship gods (elohim)........"Not The One True.....THE LORD GOD (Elohim).


This is an interesting discussion on this topic.

What word did Jesus use for God in Aramaic?

https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/20240/what-word-did-jesus-use-for-god-in-aramaic

I knew you'd come through !     Thank you, ScaRZ.

Dove wrote:

I knew you'd come through !     Thank you, ScaRZ.

Thank you Dove.

Michael Heiser was great in my opinion on this subject.

I quote Michael S. Heiser below:

"The Bible describes a world where cosmic-geographical lines have been drawn. Israel was holy ground because it was Yahweh's inheritance. The territory of other nations belonged to other (elohim) because Yahweh had decreed it as such. The lands of the other nations were populated by those who worshipped the corrupt (elohim), and by the remnant of those who had been fathered by other (elohim)."

This is a question that was ask to me.

So our duty as Christians should be to try to stop the apocalypse, even though we will ultimately fail?


The message is not exactly clear to me.


I will answer it this way and only place my thinking on the subject.  There are other believers who will not see it in the same light as myself. 

I believe I'm to do my best to keep from harming anyone. I believe I'm to stand for what is good and do my very best to live a good life. I should stand for peace in a world of rage.

I've never read one word in the Book of Revelation where it mentions any of the armies gathered from among the kings of the earth at the Battle of Armageddon as those of (Good or Christian).  All the forces gathered are there to make war with Jesus Christ and his Heavenly Armies as he returns to earth.

Revelation 19:19


And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

I do not read of any of what we would refer to as good armies (on this earth) fighting the Beast and his armies. Jesus Christ isn't coming back just to help the good armies defeat the Beast at Armageddon. All the armies of (The World) are there as (One) to make war against the return of Jesus Christ to this earth.

I personally look forward to the saints returning with Jesus Christ and his Armies to take this earth back from the hands of the evil ones.

I look forward for the Day of The Lord to come and all those armies gathered to fight against Christ at this battle called Armageddon to be defeated.

Is The Bottomless Pit an opening to another dimension?........A doorway to a dimensional prison through which the imprisoned can enter into earth?

The Star (Angel, Messenger) in Revelation 9:1 is the one who is given the Key.  I believe The Star is given the knowledge and ability which is The Key for opening The Pit. I view The Star as being "Allowed" by The LORD God to open as well as seal the Gate (Realm).

Revelation 9:1


And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

 In Revelation 9:1 the Star is given the Key, but we see later on in Revelation 20:1 that an Angel already has the Key to The Pit and is about to use it to confine Satan in The Pit for one thousand years. This seems to imply to me that this is the same Star (Angel) that was given the Key in Revelation 9:1, and after a period of  time is about to use it to seal Satan (The Adversary) in the Bottomless Pit. I view this as the same Star (Angel) in Revelation 20:1 as was first given The Key in Revelation 9:1.

This is the main reason I do not believe Satan to be The Star that is given the key to open the pit in Revelation 9:1 as many believe it to be.

Revelation 20:1-3


And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.


And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,


And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

In Revelation it is written there will be a Gospel (Everlasting Gospel) brought by a "Messenger (Angel)." This appears to be getting close to the time of the return of the Lord. 

Is the Messenger just bringing the Gospel to be preached by mankind or is the Messenger going to preach? It doesn't say in the verse that the Messenger (Angel) is just dropping it off, but appears to imply the Messenger has come "To preach unto them that dwell on the earth." Of coarse I view this Gospel will spread out into the earth by believers also.

I have been fascinated with this for a long time.


preach / (proclaim, defined as.....(announce officially or publicly)


Revelation 14:6-7


And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,


Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

The Everlasting Gospel that will be preached is about Fearing God, Giving God glory, Worshiping (Serving) God and Judgment.

Goin' By The Book by Johnny Cash


You can see it in the movies and the paper and the TV news
Somebody's army is always on the move
There's gonna be a battle the lines have been drawn
They've got guns and tanks and planes

The wells are gone dry and the water is bad and the air is acid rain
There's war after war and rumors of war from the East
There's a rumblin' in the ground and they're talkin' about the beast

Good mothers cry cause the rivers run high
With the blood of too many sons
Some people say peace is on the way
But the worst is still to come

Cause the prophets wrote about it
And Jesus spoke about it
And John got to take a look
And he told us what he saw when it's easy to see
It's goin' by the book
It's goin' by the book

There's armies in the cities and the missiles stand ready for flight
A pale horse rides like the wind across the night
And that rumblin' in the desert like thunder gettin' closer
And the trumpet's gettin' ready to blow
There's gonna be a shout that will wake the dead we better be ready to go

Cause the prophets wrote about it
And Jesus spoke about it
And John got to take a look
And he told us what he saw when it's easy to see
It's goin' by the book
It's goin' by the book

It's goin' by the book
Goin' by the book

Dark forces don't get into a rush but just continue pushing forward. They have a goal to reach and they will continue to work in that direction as long as it takes. I've brought this up many times in the past and have felt it was a very important piece of the puzzle. 

The true nature of the beast will always be camouflaged. This very secrecy thing I believe is the reason we are being led to believe what I call a "Fake Disclosure." We are steered away in directions that are much more "Entertaining."

I think many people suddenly will become "religious". Nothing convinces people like a live demonstration for their eyes and ears. If you can convince a person that what is being seen and said is true by using a slight of hand......."then you have already won 75% of the fight." 

But always remember there will be a thirst for the "True Word of God", because a world wide system of deception will be in place. I know I say this same thing over and over, but "if it were possible" even the very elect would be deceived. This is some strong deception here people. We're not just talking about a mere card trick.

Our body is our Temple and the forces of darkness will indeed camouflage themselves in hopes of us inviting them in.

I was watching this video with Pastor Charles Lawson and thought of Michael.

The Forbidden Chapter

That's right Scars. Mike thought a lot of pastor Lawson. I do too.  It was Mike that put me onto him... Sure do miss his thoughts and advice. Keep his wife in your prayers for comfort please. It's a terrible time to be in a quiet house.

bordercollie wrote:

That's right Scars. Mike thought a lot of pastor Lawson. I do too.  It was Mike that put me onto him... Sure do miss his thoughts and advice. Keep his wife in your prayers for comfort please. It's a terrible time to be in a quiet house.

I think of Michael every day I come to the forum. As yourself I miss his thinking on a wide range of topics. Michael reminded me of another member on a forum several years ago. 

Doug was a Christian, an artist, worked for NASA, and was someone who had a great interest in UFO"S and ET"S. He had a knowledge of scripture and really enjoyed deep conversations. Doug had a massive heart attack and died very quickly. The forum was never the same without him.

I hope Michael's wife has hobbies that give her something of interest to do. I remember talking to my Dad after Mother passed away. He told me the thing that was most helpful for him was getting up and doing something. Dad was a hard worker but also enjoyed hunting, fishing, playing golf with me and others. It is not good at all sitting around "Thinking" about how terrible and sad you feel constantly.

If you let the darkness take over it will drown you in an abyss of depression.

Just wanted to let ya'll know that Mike's wife sounded great today.  She is staying busy and  voice is strong.  It made me so happy  and I knew it would ya'll too.   Thank ya'll for the prayers.

bordercollie wrote:

Just wanted to let ya'll know that Mike's wife sounded great today.  She is staying busy and  voice is strong.  It made me so happy  and I knew it would ya'll too.   Thank ya'll for the prayers.

Great to hear she is doing her best to move forward. I believe with all my heart that The LORD understands the pain and sorrow of the loss of someone so close to us. I remember all those years when I was just a young boy and man not understanding the full impact of death. 

Seeing and talking with all my Parents, Grandparents, Uncles, and Aunts......."And now not even one of them is alive today." The years have passed so quickly and I can't help but think of all the days I took for granted or didn't fully understand.

I ask my Dad one day how he made it through living with all the deaths and all the funerals. He told me it got easier the more he had to face it. Dad lived to the age of 92 and faced a lot of death and a lot of years with tears. He out lived all his Parents, Grandparents, Sisters, Brothers, Aunts, Uncles, Wife, and one of his three Children.

Enduring molds us into the Souls we become.

Such a good and welcomed report, bordercollie.  Thank you.  My heart is much more at ease.

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For ScaRZ...the Brave.   

I heard something today, beginning to see it, and feel it.

After the Resurrection, NOBODY, not Mary, the disciples, those in the town or on the road, recognized Jesus.
Nor did He appear as the same person in each of those encounters.

Has anyone you know or read ever discussed that?

Dove wrote:

I heard something today, beginning to see it, and feel it.

After the Resurrection, NOBODY, not Mary, the disciples, those in the town or on the road, recognized Jesus.
Nor did He appear as the same person in each of those encounters.

Has anyone you know or read ever discussed that?

Very interesting question and yes on another forum we talked about this a few years ago. It is a question I've never come to the understanding where The Bible gives any clear answer. We can speculate but that's about all we can do. 

I believe Jesus did not look the same to them through fleshly eyes because he could not be viewed the same......." Jesus had shed the old outward dust."

My thinking is more in line with the difference of our earthly physical body and that of a resurrection body (Spiritual Body). Flesh and blood can not inherit the Kingdom of God. The Soul is who we are......"Not the outward appearance that is nothing more than the dust of the earth.' Yes! Jesus rose but his body was changed by the resurrection. It's not about the outward, it's about the inward. The Kingdom of Heaven is within us.

Think back to those Jesus brought back alive while he was on earth. They were all raised from death but remained in their same earthly body. They all were recognized by others physically for how they appeared........"But they did not receive a resurrection body at that point in time."

Remember Jesus had to be "The first fruit of the resurrection." Jesus was first and now all others in Jesus Christ will follow, and at the resurrection will receive a new body (Resurrection Spiritual Body)........."Or The Change" for those believers who remain alive and the meeting in the air with Jesus Christ and those who died "In Christ".


Matthew 27:52-53

And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

After Jesus died on the cross and many bodies of the saints arose from their sleep they came out of the graves/tombs, but not until the resurrection of Jesus Christ took place.  Jesus Christ had to be the first to be resurrected or scripture would fall apart. Not any of the other three Gospel Books of Mark, Luke or John is this event mentioned. These Saints that rose and went into the Holy City are not mentioned again.

One thing for sure, no names were given of who they were. All we know is that they appeared unto many. It doesn't go into details that anyone did or didn't know them, but only says they appeared. 

Everything we add from this point forward is our own speculation.

This came to me from someone who believes in reincarnation. I will post my thoughts I wrote to him after his words.


There is no possible way to learn everything in one physical lifetime.
We need many 'lifetimes'' in order to achieve this.
Many different lessons for different people/souls to learn.
Sorry, I can never buy the live once on Earth thinking anymore.
It makes no sense to me.


Coming back over and over will 'teach us' what we need to learn.
It takes away nothing from the Source of ALL things either.

In fact it enhances it. 'The Source' is also learning through us.

This is not my first life time on Earth.
I have had many lifetimes and I am willing to bet you have too.
This is why I do not fully trust the 'Bible'. Reincarnation was cut out of it.
It was a political meeting that was set up Doctrine that we have today in regards to (Western) Religions.


Earth is a crash course to learn what would take 'forever'' to learn other wise.



I wrote:

There will be no reason ever for being reincarnated back in a fleshly body in order to get things right. We would never get things right in the flesh. This is where almost all religions go, and that's through works we get to a higher level or we get closer to our Creator. Works of the flesh has absolutely nothing to do with ones salvation.

If through the works of the flesh we could be saved or receive salvation then Jesus Christ death on the cross was of no value. But The Father knew mankind had a need that mankind couldn't fulfill.

I see mankind in his Changed or Spiritual Body on a never ending eternal journey and eternal growing in the knowledge of God the Father. I don't ever see the road of knowledge ending. I never have seen us entering an eternal Heavenly Kingdom and "Bang!" the road ends and all knowledge of our spirit minds are 100% filled to capacity. God is an eternal Father and will continue to teach his children eternally.

The journey doesn't end when we enter the Heavenly Kingdom, it's just beginning.

All life is suffering, All life ends in death.
Reincarnation is therefore nothing but eternal suffering and death.
I stake my claim to the 'free gift' in this life, and thus look forward to the end of suffering.

"Today is the day of salvation". The past is the past and the future is now. Think of this life we find ourselves living as a burning bridge, don't look back, you can't ever go back and change anything.  With the "free gift" that was purchased by Jesus Christ, a new bridge is formed to replace the old. 

Jesus Christ was the first born, son of man. He was also "the first born of many".

Each is offered right now in this life, to become part of the many.

Death is conquered and is no more.

Heavenly Jerusalem never comes down from God until after the Little Season of Satan and the Great White Throne Judgment have taken place. Heavenly Jerusalem is not here during the Millennium. A new Heaven and new Earth must be created and all sin removed before the Heavenly city descends. God can't allow even a small amount of rebellion in his creation or it would eventually destroy the whole creation. 

We know that before the Millennium begins that the Beast and the False Prophet will be cast into the lake of fire. Satan is locked away in the Abyss and will have no direct influence on those living during the One Thousand years.

Are his angelic forces prisoners also in the Abyss or have they been cast into the lake of fire? ........Revelation is silent on this.

All we are told is that Satan is now a prisoner for one thousand years.

How long in our known time frame will a Little Season be?........How much time in our time frame of today will Satan have to (deceive) to nations once again?.........Again it appears we are not told. If it's somewhere in scripture I've not found it as of this post.

There are only two times in scripture where the words "Little Season" are used and here they are below.

Revelation 6:11


And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a (little season), until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.


Revelation 20:3


And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a (little season).


Revelation 20 is one great chapter and has much to offer. The Little Season of Satan has been a subject that has fascinated me from the first time I read Chapter 20.

The line that jumps out at me every time I read Chapter 20 is Revelation 20:5......"But the rest of the dead (lived not again) until the thousand years were finished."

All those at Christ return, both those who had died in Christ and those believers who remained alive until his coming were resurrected or changed as part of the first resurrection. Then begins the One Thousand year period that Satan will be imprisoned in the Abyss (Bottomless Pit) and Christ Kingdom of peace.

The remainder of all the dead will not (Live Again) until the One Thousand year period is completed. If we take the line in verse 20:5 as just what it says the rest of the dead will live again after the One Thousand year time frame is fulfilled and Satan is loosed from his prison (The Abyss).

Will the (Rest of the dead) take part in the Little Season of Satan?

Most will never go down this road and only think the (Rest of the dead) will be resurrected after the Little Season of Satan is fully concluded and the White Throne Judgment is about to take place.

Every time I read and study Revelation 20 I can't help but see the words......"But the rest of the dead (lived not again) until the thousand years were finished." The words do not say after the One Thousand years and after the Little Season are completed (finished), but only reads after the One Thousand years were completed (finished).

During the One Thousand years of Satan being locked in the Abyss and Christ Kingdom is that Christ must still rule with a rod of iron. This clearly shows that even without the constant influence of Satan and his forces mankind will still need to be ruled over very strictly. 

I'm only talking about those people who remain in a fleshly state not those of the first resurrection and bodily change. Those who are overcomers (victorious, who obey God to the very end), they will help to rule over the nations during the One Thousand years. They will be kings and priest in the Kingdom. I view teachers to help guide mankind in the knowledge and understanding of God.

Revelation 2:26-27


And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:


And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.


Revelation 12:5


And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.



Revelation 5:10


And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.




I think back when The LORD God put Sons of God in rulership over the nations (A group of persons of the same ethnic family who speak the same language) after he scattered them at the time of The Tower of Babel. Those Sons of God did a poor job and they will lose their rulership and be judged in the future.

Here is something else in connection with (The rest of the dead) topic. All of this is what I have thought about for several years of reading and studying Revelation 20. I find the whole topic very deep and mind blowing. I do not take the road most traveled and let it end there. Just because the vast majority walk a certain direction, doesn't mean it's always correct. 

I'm not about to write any of this in stone. I continue on a learning journey. I believe we are to be on a constant (Seeking things out), never taking a..........."I know it all frame of mind." 

Proverbs 25:2........"It is the glory of God to conceal things,
but the glory of kings is to search things out."


 Isaiah 28:10........"For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:"

As it is written in Revelation 20, those of the first resurrection will die only one time, they do not face a second death as those will face that are......."The rest of the dead who live again ", after the One Thousand Years are completed (finished) and Satan is released from the bottomless pit.

There is no power of death remaining over those of the first resurrection. But the power of death remains for those "Rest of the dead". The rest of the dead will live again, but a second death is also in the mix.


Revelation 20:5-6


But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.


Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

I got interested years ago into studying how New Age teachings have deep roots in many congregations that are suppose to be believers and followers of Jesus Christ, with (The Bible, Scripture) as front and center of their teachings.

This is what I refer to as a "Mixing" that the vast majority never noticed the ingredients being placed in the pot. Anytime something new is added it becomes "One" with the "Whole". This is how Dark Forces have, and will continue to inject poison and out of it arises a false worship system. 

This is nothing new, it has been around a very, very long time. They call it New Age, but it had it's beginning as Old Age "Watcher Theology". In the age after the old age the Tower of Babel is a prime example of it's breathing force in full bloom. 

I've watched some of Melissa Dougherty's videos talking about her once being a part of New Age teachings. When you have some time watch the two videos of hers below. She is not afraid to say exactly what she believes on the subject.

I'll listen tonight. Thank you  for the links Scars. 
 It 's a lot like the frog  and the water pot as the saying goes. I  know Christian folks that think yoga is great- but I personally believe it's in the  same sneaky, luring   league .

I haven't had a chance to watch either, and may not need to necessarily, as I've given it a lot of thought through the years and would rather say that first. 

One non-negotiable statement settles it all.

I AM the Way, the Truth and the Life.  No one comes to the Father but by Me.

And for emphasis there is, 
"Haven't we done great things in your Name?"
"Depart from Me for I never knew you".
And the abominable worship of false idols, and the 'workings' of magick.
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Yet I have appreciation and wonder for the intricacies of nature, and of ALL that He created, which is not the same as 'worshipping the creation'.

I don't fear that we are seeing more as time goes on.
Knowledge  increases.  And for those who have heeded the call, Godly wisdom also increases, and all things can be known>>> in their rightful place.<<<

I've found it 'interesting' that many New Agers, just to identify them, live Christian principles far better than many professed 'Christians' do.
We are told to Love, but we choose to Judge our fellow travelers.
But, most regrettably, they deny Jesus as the Only Way.

Perhaps "Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do", and trusting that in the end 'every knee will bow and every mouth confess that 'Jesus is Lord", will provide the Grace and Mercy needed.

There is still time, and challenges coming that nothing and no one but Jesus can stand against.  Their 'faith' in the useless will fail them, and our prayer is that by then they will be willing and able to hear.  

I really thought the videos were very good and I respect Melissa by her not holding back what she thinks. She was deep into the New Age Christian movement and her eyes became open by having questions. Reading the Bible, studying it as a whole and not cherry picking verses out to fit was huge and got her seeing the The New Age deception.

She is trying to help people, not throw mud their direction. There is nothing wrong with standing strong in The Word. Way too many preachers and teachers in this World that soft step, attempting to please. This is nothing more than sugar coating poison.

She and I are alike in not being afraid to ask questions. Many people I've come in contact with over the years appear to think God somehow doesn't want us to have questions. The same goes for Church members, like being in school and never raising your hand. When we become children of God it's just the starting line. We as children learn by listening, watching, thinking, participating, and asking questions.

bordercollie wrote:

I'll listen tonight. Thank you  for the links Scars. 
 It 's a lot like the frog  and the water pot as the saying goes. I  know Christian folks that think yoga is great- but I personally believe it's in the  same sneaky, luring   league .

Just because something looks good, feels good, smells good, and taste good, doesn't mean it's good for us. The Adversary is a master at deception, using our senses to draw us into the trap. I'll say it again......."When someone is being deceived, they do not see the deception.........When someone sees the deception, they no longer are being deceived."

There are many False Jesuses that are erected in The World. Replacement theology "An Instead Of (A substitute) for The Real Deal".

I didn't mean to infer any disrespect for Melissa, you know. 
For me it's just more 'having the time to listen'.  

John 6:66........."After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him." (ESV)

From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. (KJV)

This verse and the full chapter of John 6 are very deep and have much to reveal to all of us. Many of those that walked with Jesus Christ were walking for the desires of self........"The lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life." The danger that Jesus was aware of and spoke about was that people would walk along with him for all the wrong reasons. Many people today are no different, it's not for what he came to give, but it's about giving what they desire.

Oswald Chambers wrote........“If there is one standard in the New Testament revealed by the light of God and you do not come up to it, and do not feel inclined to come up to it, that is the beginning of backsliding, because it means your conscience does not answer to the truth.” ...............“You can never be the same after the unveiling of a truth.  That moment marks you for going on as a more true disciple of Jesus Christ or for going back as a deserter.” 

I was hoping some of the newer members would decide to take part in the forum. Most members contribute very little but only lurk just like all the visitors. Why even signup if you don't comment or start a topic? This whole forum has become nothing but a look and read place. Absolutely very little or no interaction at all. 

If it wasn't for Dove and three or four others there would be nothing new posted at all. When I first started taking part on forums I didn't comment much and some of the Mods told me in PM's to just be who I am. Give your thoughts on subjects, don't be afraid and learn to let it go. Let us get to know what you think, what's important to you. Other people then will begin doing the same and the topics will branch off in many different directions. You can't please everyone and you never will.

A forum can teach us about others as well as ourselves. It is a world not just a country. As long as people show respect for one another it can be well worth being a part of your life.

I don't place my name on any book of denomination. I'm a follower and believer in Jesus Christ and put my trust and faith in him. I believe The Church is the body of Jesus Christ, not a building. People call buildings churches but all they are are places built to meet at. The people within the structures that are the members of The Body of Jesus Christ are The Church.

It's great for people to meet somewhere to worship, teach and preach The Gospel.  It doesn't matter where you meet to accomplish it. Whether it's in a building called a church, a home or no building at all. The main thing is the gathering of the members of the Body + those that can be added to the Body.

I look at preaching in the way that if it doesn't edify me or convict me, as probably no more than a social outlet.

Anything that tends to demean the deity of Jesus Christ and the power of His shed blood to save sinners I stay clear of.

I trust The Word of God and anything or anyone that puts that down, to me, has an agenda and I know whose agenda that is.

As to idolatry, anything that supersedes God's position in one's life can be idolatrous.

Beware of those dangling a fruit of deception. If they come with fruits that appeal to the outward man and the pleasures of this world we have the answer which side they line up on.

I always point out we just don't need to open up ourselves to any and everyone or everything that claims to be in line with God. They could be a god (elohim) or of a god (elohim) but be within the ranks of dark forces.

As Paul the Apostle has stated, if anyone brings another gospel than what is in the Word of God, even if they are Angels from Heaven, they are to be accursed.

I'd love to engage in a good discussion. Even though you and I Scarz have been given different areas to know, and different paths and tasks, we are always in absolute unity over Salvation.   

I'd like to think that at this point I've seen all that needs be seen of the world, and have come to realize the darkness is far darker and more pervasive on a grand scale then I thought. I've seen the phenomenal differences, the full gamut, of what people believe to be true about life, God, and Godliness, from both the saved and the unsaved.
But when it overwhelms me I remember the Simplicity that is In Christ. 
Following Him is how we can know, by His Spirit, where to 'walk' and not 'walk'.

When I shut out the world in order to find God in His Temple, the Kingdom within us, of course it's different, yet it is the same in principle.  There, in that journey, I 'saw' temptations, distractions, along the path.  It was peculiar. They had a form, and lived in open cages.  But they weren't allowed on the Path.  I would have had to leave the path to see what they were up to.  And it was clear they were a 'trap', what with their cages.   And isn't it exactly the same here in 'solid' form? 
Of course what I 'saw' was only a representation of 'how it is'.  Someone else would no doubt see it presented differently. 

Our journey in this world is a reflection of the Spirit-Unseen world.  Although Everything is 'in God', the perversions are not OF GOD.  "The Kingdom of Heaven suffers VIOLENCE..."
That could use a deep study, remembering that GOD WORDS are very FULL of meaning. A single word can hold insights that are bigger than we can even manage. 

But, but...I do have a thought in mind, and that is about 'fear' and 'Love'.  Except I need to congeal my words, first.