The Bible, Tribulation, Revelation

From Justin Martyr's - Second Apology, Chapter 5

"God, when He had made the whole world, and subjected things earthly to man, and arranged the heavenly elements for the increase of fruits and rotation of the seasons, and appointed this divine law--for these things also He evidently made for man--committed the care of men and of all things under heaven to angels whom He appointed over them.

 But the angels transgressed this appointment. and were captivated by love of women, and begat children who are those that are called demons; and besides, they afterwards subdued the human race to themselves, partly by magical writings, and partly by fears and the punishments they occasioned, and partly by teaching them to offer sacrifices, and incense, and libations, of which things they stood in need after they were enslaved by lustful passions; and among men they sowed murders, wars, adulteries, intemperate deeds, and all wickedness.
 
Whence also the poets and mythologists, not knowing that it was the angels and those demons who had been begotten by them that did these things to men, and women, and cities, and nations, which they related, ascribed them to god himself, and to those who were accounted to be his very offspring, and to the offspring of those who were called his brothers, Neptune and Pluto, and to the children again of these their offspring. For whatever name each of the angels had given to himself and his children, by that name they called them."

I find some of the old writings some of the best. This has been around along time, the whole Angelic Spirit Men coming and having offspring with women. I believe it has been suppressed and through the many generations has for the most part been forgotten. I don't blame the dark forces for doing their best to keep it under the cover. It reveals too much of things that have been and will be.

You ask most pastors where the demons came from and they want to bulk them together with fallen angels. We can find in scripture where The LORD created Angelic beings but there is nothing about him creating a demon. I in no way believe fallen angelic beings are demons.

It has been said that Justin Martyr believed that fallen angels had infiltrated the highest offices of the church in an attempt to change the interpretation of scripture by having any reference of fallen angelic activity removed.

Revelation 9:11


And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.


Revelation 17:8


The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


Revelation 17:11


And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

I believe this eighth will be as it says......." of the seven."
Any way you look at it a kingdom is never a kingdom without a king. He will be of a kingdom but he will be a king, who was king, and then was no longer king, but he will return to be the eighth king.


The word perdition appears a total of eight times in the Bible. The word perdition means......."Loss of the soul; eternal damnation; utter disaster; ruin; destruction."

I believe the word perdition appearing eight times in the Bible is a foretelling of this eighth beast (King) who will be Abaddon (Apollyon) the destroyer and will cause utter ruin or destruction.

Here below are the eight times the word perdition appears in the Bible.


John 17:12


While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.


Philippians 1:28


And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.


2 Thessalonians 2:3


Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;


1 Timothy 6:9


But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.


Hebrews 10:39


But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.


2 Peter 3:7


But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.


Revelation 17:8


The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


Revelation 17:11


And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Here's a Monday morning belly shaker.


An old prospector shuffled into town leading an old tired
mule. The old man headed straight for the only saloon in
town to clear his parched throat.


He walked up to the saloon and tied his old mule to the
hitch rail. As he stood there brushing some of the dust
from his face and clothes, a young gunslinger stepped out of
the saloon with a gun in one hand and a bottle of whiskey in
the other.


The young gunslinger looked at the old man and laughed,
saying, "Hey old man, have you ever danced?"


The old man looked up at the gunslinger and said, "No, I
never did dance-and just never wanted to."


A crowd had gathered quickly and the gunslinger grinned and
said, "Well, you old fool, you're gonna' dance now,"
and started shooting at the old man's feet. The old
prospector in order to not get a toe blown off or his boots
perforated was soon hopping around like a flea on a hot
skillet and everybody was laughing fit to be tied.


When the last bullet had been fired the young gunslinger,
still laughing, holstered his gun and turned around to go
back into the saloon. The old man turned to his pack mule,
pulled out a double barreled shotgun, and cocked both
hammers back. The loud, audible double clicks carried
clearly through the desert air.


The crowd stopped laughing immediately. The young
gunslinger heard the sounds, too, and he turned around very
slowly. The quiet was almost deafening. The crowd watched
as the young gunman stared at the old timer and the large
gaping holes of those twin barrels. He found it hard to
swallow. The barrels of the shotgun never wavered in the
old man's hands.


The old man said, "Son, did you ever kiss a mule's
butt ?"


The young bully swallowed hard and said, "No, but I've
always wanted to."


There are two lessons for us all here:



1. Don't waste ammunition.



2. Don't mess with old people.

Five (5) lessons to make you think about the way we treat people.


1. - First Important Lesson: The Cleaning Lady.

During my second month of college, our professor gave us a pop quiz. I was a conscientious student and had breezed through the questions until I read the last one:

"What is the first name of the woman who cleans the school?"

Surely this was some kind of joke. I had seen the cleaning woman several times. She was tall, dark-haired and in her 50s, but how would I know her name?

I handed in my paper, leaving the last question blank. Just before class ended, one student asked if the last question would count toward our quiz grade.

"Absolutely," said the professor. "In your careers, you will meet many people. All are significant. They deserve your attention and care, even if all you do is smile and say "hello."

I've never forgotten that lesson. I also learned her name was Dorothy.



2. - Second Important Lesson: Pickup in the Rain

One night, at 11:30 p.m., an older African American woman was standing on the side of an Alabama highway trying to endure a lashing rainstorm. Her car had broken down and she desperately needed a ride.

Soaking wet, she decided to flag down the next car.

A young white man stopped to help her, generally unheard of in those conflict-filled 1960s. The man took her to safety, helped her get assistance and put her into a taxicab.

She seemed to be in a big hurry, but wrote down his address and thanked him. Seven days went by and a knock came on the man's door. To his surprise, a giant console color TV was delivered to his home. A special note was attached...

It read:

"Thank you so much for assisting me on the highway the other night. The rain drenched not only my clothes, but also my spirits. Then you came along.

Because of you, I was able to make it to my dying husband's bedside just before he passed away... God bless you for helping me and unselfishly serving others."

Sincerely,

Mrs. Nat King Cole.



3. - Third Important Lesson: Always remember those who serve

In the days when an ice cream sundae cost much less, a 10-year-old boy entered a hotel coffee shop and sat at a table. A waitress put a glass of water in front of him.

 How much is an ice cream sundae?" he asked.

"Fifty cents," replied the waitress.

The little boy pulled is hand out of his pocket and studied the coins in it.

 Well, how much is a plain dish of ice cream?" he inquired.

By now more people were waiting for a table and the waitress was growing impatient.

"Thirty-five cents," she brusquely replied.

The little boy again counted his coins.

"I'll have the plain ice cream," he said.

The waitress brought the ice cream, put the bill on the table and walked away. The boy finished the ice cream, paid the cashier and left. When the waitress came back, she began to cry as she wiped down the table. There, placed neatly beside the empty dish, were two nickels and five pennies...

You see, he couldn't have the sundae, because he had to have enough left to leave her a tip.



4. - Fourth Important Lesson: The Obstacle in Our Path

In ancient times, a King had a boulder placed on a roadway. Then he hid himself and watched to see if anyone would remove the huge rock. Some of the king's wealthiest merchants and courtiers came by and simply walked around it. Many loudly blamed the King for not keeping the roads clear, but none did anything about getting the stone out of the way.

Then a peasant came along carrying a load of vegetables. Upon approaching the boulder, the peasant laid down his burden and tried to move the stone to the side of the road. After much pushing and straining, he finally succeeded. After the peasant picked up his load of vegetables, he noticed a purse lying in the road where the boulder had been. The purse contained many gold coins and a note from the King indicating that the gold was for the person who removed the boulder from the roadway. The peasant learned what many of us never understand!

Every obstacle presents an opportunity to improve our condition.



5. - Fifth Important Lesson: Giving When it Counts

Many years ago, when I worked as a volunteer at a hospital, I got to know a little girl named Liz who was suffering from a rare & serious disease. Her only chance of recovery appeared to be a blood transfusion from her 5-year old brother, who had miraculously survived the same disease and had developed the antibodies needed to combat the illness. The doctor explained the situation to her little brother, and asked the little boy if he would be willing to give his blood to his sister.

I saw him hesitate for only a moment before taking a deep breath and saying, "Yes I'll do it if it will save her." As the transfusion progressed, he lay in bed next to his sister and smiled, as we all did, seeing the color returning to her cheek. Then his face grew pale and his smile faded.

He looked up at the doctor and asked with a trembling voice, "Will I start to die right away".

Being young, the little boy had misunderstood the doctor; he thought he was going to have to give his sister all of his blood in order to save her

Thank you Scars. The mule story was  a real smile  maker for myself .  I can't wait to share it with my Aunt ( she's 93 and sharp as a tack)  She needs to see this too. It will make her day also.

edit: Thank you for the other stories too.  They are special as well.

There are people who say lets leave out The Old Testament, too full of killing and a mean Ole God. They don't like Paul's writings either so lets take all of The Epistles out also. They certainly don't see the purpose in all that tribulation and Wrath of God in Revelation so lets dump that also. They then want to go over all the remaining Gospels and Books of The Bible with a fine tooth comb and filter out all that offends them in any way, only leaving the sugar coated frosting. Either take it as a whole, or throw it all in the trash.

A friend of mine Rick wrote:

I'm now of the belief (like ScaRZ) that 'demons' are the spirits of the dead Nephilim. (offspring of the Fallen Watchers)

And so the 1/3 of Stars (Angels) that were draw away by The Dragon, spread throughout the cosmos.

This also fits with Ufology, in that we see Fallen Angel influence amoung the visitors.

70 Angels to corrupt the earth's ancient world is not that big a feat imo. example: It only takes one Angel to steer Nimrod, and then he in turn steers many.

I believe that demons are no where near as powerful as Angels.

Revelation Chapter 9 of the Bible I believe is symbolic of the hordes of evil spirits [Demons] and Watchers [Sons of God, Messengers] being set free from their prison the Bottomless Pit [Abyss]. This takes place after the fifth angel sounds the fifth trumpet of seven trumpets to sound.

Anyone who doesn't have the Seal of God in their foreheads will be tormented for a five month period. In the Hebrew calendar one month equals 30 days........30 x 5=150 days. 

In Revelation 9:11 we see when an Star (Messenger) unlocks the bottomless pit [Abyss], a King will rise up from the Abyss [bottomless pit]. The King of the bottomless pit will be Abaddon [Hebrew] or Apollyon [Greek]. The word or name Abaddon in Hebrew means [Destroyer].

Here is another point I find very interesting on the army of locust.
We know it will be a five month period that they will torment all those who don't have the seal of God.

The time of locust is known seasonally to run in a five month period from May through September. Will this factor into the event?

In Revelation 9:7 the locust have on their heads as it were crowns like gold. The wording of crowns like gold has a totally different meaning than if it had said crowns of gold. This implies it's fools gold......"It's deception."

Revelation 9:7


And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.

Now take that in mind and you will see the real deal spoken of in Revelation 4:4 and the crowns of gold.


Revelation 4:4


And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

The locust and their King will come upon the whole earth as a dark  cloud of deception and if you don't have the Seal of God you will be deceived into believing The Lie. This will involve great signs and wonders to deceive.

The five month period of the locust army and their dark cloud of deception ties in well with the flood in the days of Noah.  The flood of Noah and it's 150 days of waters prevailing on the earth  I view as a sign for the time of the end. Noah and all those on board the ark were protected from the flood waters and I believe they are a mirror image of those that will carry the Seal of God in the last days who are protected from the flood of deception that will cover The World.

Genesis 7:24


And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.


Genesis 8:3


And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.

In certain parts of The Bible and other ancient text as The Book of Enoch, the word tree or trees is used in a symbolic nature to mean much more than that of just a natural tree. Just like the Two Witnesses in The Book of Revelation are referred to as....."These are the two olive trees".

Previously unknown or little-known texts about Enoch were discovered at Qumran and one of the most important was The Book of Giants. Even with it being fragmented we can see a picture come to life of that ancient world.

We know from The Book of Enoch that 200 Watchers (Sons of God) descended on mount Armon ( Mt. Hermon) in the days of Jared. In The Book of Giants we can see that these 200 Watchers are referred to as 200 Trees.



Enoch 7:7......."Then they swore all together, and all bound themselves by mutual execrations. Their whole number was two hundred, who descended upon Ardis, which is the top of mount Armon."



The Book of Giants


[ . . . to Enoch] the noted scribe, and he will interpret for us 12 the dream. Thereupon his fellow Ohya declared and said to the giants, 13 I too had a dream this night, O giants, and, behold, the Ruler of Heaven came down to earth 14 [ . . . ] and such is the end of the dream. [Thereupon] all the giants [and monsters! grew afraid 15 and called Mahway. He came to them and the giants pleaded with him and sent him to Enoch 16 [the noted scribe]. They said to him, Go [ . . . ] to you that 17 [ . . . ] you have heard his voice. And he said to him, He wil1 [ . . . and] interpret the dreams [ . . . ] Col. 3 3 [ . . . ] how long the giants have to live. [ . . . ]


[ . . . he mounted up in the air] 4 1ike strong winds, and flew with his hands like a [gles . . . he left behind] 5 the inhabited world and passed over Desolation, the great desert [ . . . ] 6 and Enoch saw him and hailed him, and Mahway said to him [ . . . ] 7 hither and thither a second time to Mahway [ . . . The giants await 8 your words, and all the monsters of the earth. If [ . . . ] has been carried [ . . . ] 9 from the days of [ . . . ] their [ . . . ] and they will be added [ . . . ] 10 [ . . . ] we would know from you their meaning [ . . . ]


11 [ . . . two hundred tr]ees that from heaven [came down . . . ]




Now lets look at Ezekiel 31 and we will see that someone called the Assyrian is referred to as a Tree (Cedar in Lebanon). We know it's someone because in the verses it refers to The Assyrian (Cedar in Lebanon) as him.

What about the other trees that are mentioned, do they also refer to someone other than that of just an ordinary tree?




Ezekiel 31:3-5


Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs.


The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent out her little rivers unto all the trees of the field.


Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth.





Verse 6 gets very interesting when it speaks that all great nations dwelt under his shadow. He certainly appears to be a ruler and above all the great nations because of his shadow over them.


Ezekiel 31:6


All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations.





Verses 7 and 8 tell us he was great and fair because his roots were by great waters. His branches were very long as he reached out. It speaks of The Garden of God in verse 8 and we now see a picture of this individual as like no tree in The Garden of God. He had a beauty like no tree in The Garden of God. Seems to me it's pointing to others who were in The Garden of God (Eden) but this Assyrian had a beauty they didn't have.

Ezekiel 31:7-8


Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters.


The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.





In the very next verse we see that all the trees in Eden envied him. This person known as the Assyrian caused all the trees in The Garden of God to feel an admiration and desire to have something that was possessed by this individual.

Ezekiel 31:9


I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.




The main point is to show how the word Tree or Trees are used to describe a being or individual in some cases.

There is no doubt in my mind that Ezekiel 31 is being used much like a parable.

This person is being compared to a Cedar Tree and I also believe it is using some type of created beings as the Trees in The Garden of God (Eden) as symbolic language to describe them.

1 King 10:14 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold,
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Dove wrote:

1 King 10:14 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold,
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I wrote something back a few pages on this subject......."I will post it below." Even with all the great wisdom The LORD God blessed Solomon with, he let The World and The Things of The World pull him in.


The thing with Solomon was the fact that his lust for gold became his idolatry....."It became his god." Now think how that relates to 666 of Revelation 13. Solomon receiving 666 talents of gold which is, in turn, an important notice of Solomon's unjust practices, his excessive wealth, exploitation of his own people and eschewing of God's law.(To avoid, turn aside from, to flee from)

1 Kgs 10:14........"Now the weight of gold which came in to Solomon in one year was 666 talents of gold"


2 Chr 9:13........"Now the weight of gold which came to Solomon in one year was 666 talents of gold"

Solomon begins violating the rules for kings by multiplying gold (666 talents a year), multiplying horses and chariots, and finally multiplying wives who turn his heart away from following The LORD God. He sets up centers of false worship for all the foreign gods of his wives. So, the number 666 is associated with Solomon in his fall, his abuse of power, and his turning away from true worship of The LORD God.

The seven thunders had uttered their voices and John was instructed....."Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not."


A mighty angel had come down from heaven having a "Little Book" in his hand. John was told by a voice from heaven to go and take the Little Book from the hand of the angel. Notice the Little Book was never closed from the time the angel first appeared until the time John takes the open Little Book from the angels hand. Notice also that John was told to "Take it", not just go to the angel and he will give it to you. John had to really want the Little Book and it's contents.

Revelation 10:2-4


And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,


And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.


And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.



Revelation 10:8-11


And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.


And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.


And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.


And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.



Now notice in the above verses of scripture how John had to take the Little Book. He just didn't walk up to the angel and he gave it to him. All the Little Book and its contents were eaten by John......As John says, he ate it up. He consumed every little detail of it. I believe this Little Book and its contents that John ate was The Book of Revelation. No matter how sweet as honey the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ is, the contents of this Little Book left John's stomach very bitter. In other words the contents of the Little Book is a tough pill to swallow for what will come down on mankind and fulfill the prophecies of the Coming of The Lord.

As it says in the last verse of Revelation 10......"Thou must prophesy again". John through all that he consumed of this Little Book (The Book of Revelation) and wrote it down, this will be his fulfillment of prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

Does this tie together and sum up what you all have been bringing all these years?

The Adversary (Satan) is not a fool. He never waste time on those in his back pocket. The ultimate goal has in the past, now in the present, and in the future is to destroy every believer and follower of The LORD God. He never will shy away from moving his forces into areas many think as safe habitats......."That is exactly what he is placing is bet on." 

One bad apple is only the beginning of a slow process of corruption, that will bring about the destruction of all the other apples if not removed.

All The Adversary needs is "One" to infiltrate and use deception that blinds. Those thought to never doze off can quickly be added in the sleep column.

Here is something interesting that adds a little to the Solomon topic a few post back. I will post only a snippet. Read it all on the link below.

Solomon and the Demons by M.R. James

Reprinted from Old Testament Legends by M.R. James (Longmans, Green and Co., 1913), by kind permission of N.J.R. James.

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~pardos/ArchiveSolDemons.html

Thus I, Solomon, had power over the spirits of the earth, and of the air, and of the water, and made them serve me; and my kingdom was exalted, and there was peace in my days. But when I became mighty my heart was lifted up, and I committed foolishness; for I saw the daughter of a certain Jebusite, and loved her exceedingly, and asked for her in marriage. But her kinsfolk said, "You shall not take her to be your wife except you worship our gods, even the great gods Remphan(20) and Moloch." Then I said, "I cannot worship strange gods; why would you that I should do this?" They said, "Because they are the gods of our fathers." And I refused. Then I went to the maiden and entreated her; and she also said, "I will not hearken to you, except you worship my gods." So I departed from her. But after a little, she sent me five locusts by the hand of a messenger, saying, "Take these five locusts and crush them in the name of the god Moloch, and I will be your wife." And I did so. And forthwith my glory departed from me, and I forgot my wisdom, and became weak and foolish in my mind; and the heathen woman compelled me to build temples to the false gods, to Baal, and Remphan, and Moloch; and my spirit was darkened within me, and I became a byword among men and demons.


Therefore have I written this testament, that men might remember me, and think of their latter end as well as of their beginning.

Thank you for the link Scars. I'll like  studying this but need some quiet time to do it. That's one thing I miss about the old homeplace trips.  Anyway,  I do always  appreciate your posts.

bordercollie wrote:

Thank you for the link Scars. I'll like  studying this but need some quiet time to do it. That's one thing I miss about the old homeplace trips.  Anyway,  I do always  appreciate your posts.

Thank you for your post. Without Michael it's just not the same in the thread. Michael always kept my interest level at a higher peak. He opened new paths in many discussions.

I believe many times the Holy Spirit leads us to someone,
and many, times someone is lead toward us. I believe God uses all his instruments in many different ways, all for the fulfilling of his will.

If one doesn't think the coming of Antichrist is not judgement, they're living in a fantasy. The way is paved for the Man of Sin.

How could this happen? How could the world allow such persecution and death?

Answer . . . because few think its going to happen.

Why are there so few who think its going to happen?

Answer . . . Because a great many think they won't be here for the Great Tribulation, they think it doesn't apply to them. And so they don't warn the church about  persecution and death. Rather they just warn the unbelievers, as if it will only happen to them.

These are words written by a person that I believe cut to the very heart........"I can teach you prophecy, do you want the sugar coated story or do you want the tough one, that Christ and his Apostles taught?"

Many times "Truth" is a tough pill to swallow and we turn a deaf ear to it.

There must be flesh saved that is the true DNA-Bloodline of Adam.

Just as it was in the Days of Noah when the true DNA-Bloodline of Adam was saved to once again begin to replenish the earth. That true DNA-Bloodline of Adam had to make its way to Jesus or Satan would have won the war of the seeds.

That true DNA-Bloodline must make it through the great tribulation as it did through the flood in the days of Noah. That true DNA-Bloodline will live, give birth to new life, and continue forward not only in the "Millennial reign of Jesus Christ", but also to live on through the "Little Season of Satan".


I believe the Abyss (Bottomless Pit) and it's contents are what is being restrained. They have been sealed from entering our world as of this very moment. Once it is opened the restraining has ended and the contents of the Abyss will flood into the earth. From this point you must have the Seal of God and the Armor of God in place or you will have no chance against the strong delusion that is about to be poured out into this earth.

It's hard to comprehend but I believe nature itself has been restrained in some capacity.

I thought some may find this of interest from the Kolbrin. It speaks of a planetary body that passed close to earth in the Days of Noah (Days of Heavenly Wrath) when the flood came upon the earth. Then it speaks of this planetary body which is called The Destroyer passing close to earth sometime in the future (Days of Doom).


From the Kolbrin:


Men forget the days of the Destroyer. Only the wise know where it went and that it will return in its appointed hour. It raged across the Heavens in the days of wrath, and this was it's likeness: It was as a billowing cloud of smoke enwrapped in a ruddy glow, not distinguishable in joint or limb. Its mouth was an abyss from which came flame, smoke and hot cinders. When ages pass, certain laws operate upon the stars in the Heavens. Their ways change, there is movement and restlessness, they are no longer constant and a great light appears redly in the skies. When blood drops upon the Earth, the Destroyer will appear and mountains will open up and belch forth fire and ashes. Trees will be destroyed and all living things engulfed. Waters will be swallowed up by the land and seas will boil. The Heavens will burn brightly and redly, there will be a copper hue over the face of the land, followed by a day of darkness. A new moon will appear and break up and fall.


The people will scatter in madness. They will hear the trumpet and battlecry of the Destroyer and will seek refuge within dens in the Earth. Terror will eat away their hearts and their courage will flow from them like water from a broken pitcher. They will be eaten up in the flames of wrath and consumed by the breath of the Destroyer. Thus it was in the Days of Heavenly Wrath, which have gone, and thus it will be in the Days of Doom when it comes again. The times of its coming and going are known unto the wise. These are the signs and times which shall precede the Destroyer's return: Then will the Heavens tremble and the Earth move, men will quake in fear and while terror walks with them the Heralds of Doom will appear. They will come softly, as thieves to the tombs, men will not know them for what they are, men will be deceived, the hour of the Destroyer is at hand.  The dauntless ones will survive, the stouthearted will not go down to destruction.


There will be a great body of fire, the glowing head with many mouths and eyes ever changing. Terrible teeth will be seen in formless mouths and a fearful dark belly will glow redly from fires inside. Even the stouthearted man will tremble and his bowels will be loosened, for this is not a thing understandable to men. It will be a vast sky-spanning form enwrapping Earth, burning with many hues within wide open mouths. These will descent to sweep across the face of the land, engulfing all in the yawning jaws. The fangs will fall out, and lo, they are terror-inspiring things of cold hardened water. Great boulders will be hurled down upon men, crushing them into red powder. As the great salt waters rise up in its train and roaring torrents pour towards the land, even the heroes among mortal men will be overcome with madness. The flames going before will devour all the works of men, the waters following will sweep away whatever remains. The dew of death will fall softly, as a grey carpet over the cleared land. Men will cry out in their madness,  save us from the gray dew of death.

Some great one liners.



"Words that soak into your ears are whispered...not yelled."

"Forgive your enemies. It messes up their heads."

"It doesn't take a very big person to carry a grudge."

"You cannot unsay a cruel word."

" Every path has a few puddles."

"When you wallow with pigs, expect to get dirty."

"The best sermons are lived, not preached."

" Remember that silence is sometimes the best answer."

"Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think back, you'll enjoy it a second time."

" Sometimes you get, and sometimes you get got."

"The biggest troublemaker you'll probably ever have to deal with, watches you from the mirror every day."

"Good judgment comes from experience, and a lotta that comes from bad judgment."

"Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God."

"Many folks want to serve God, but only as advisors."

"It is easier to preach ten sermons than it is to live one."

"When you get to your wit's end, you'll find God lives there."

"People want the front of the bus, the middle of the road, and the back of the church."

"Opportunity may knock once, but temptation bangs on your front door forever."

"Some minds are like concrete -- thoroughly mixed up and permanently set."

"We were called to be witnesses, not lawyers or judges."

"Be ye fishers of men. You catch them; He'll clean them."

"It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others."

"When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane."

"We could learn a lot from crayons. Some are sharp, some are pretty and some are dull . Some have weird names, and all are different colors, but they all have to live in the same box ."

"You may be only one person in the world, but you may also be the world to one person."

Good sayings Scarz. Thanks for posting them  also.  My Folks always said "if you lay with dogs, you get fleas."   It's the same with those rotten apples too.  We can look at a little wash going down a beautiful valley . If it's left to itself during a pounding storm, it can turn into a deep ravine and lead to terrible consequences.   It applies to life . We need to be good role models and show that we are in Christ with our actions so we can guide  those that  are watching us .

If something or someone has a beginning and an end, then certainly time must be in the mix.

If something or someone has a beginning but no end, then there is no purpose for time......."I see this is as what will occur when The Great Re-Birth (Change) of Man takes place and man enters eternity."

I see eternity as without measure of time.

I believe God to be the author of time and the finisher of time.

Revelation 21:6......."And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely."

THE SPIRITUAL SIGNIFICANCE OF NUMBERS


This Is Appendix 10 From The Companion Bible.



Numbers are used in Scripture, not merely as in Nature, with supernatural design, but with spiritual significance, which may be summarized as follows.

ONE. Denotes unity, and commencement. The first occurrences of words or utterances denote their essential significance, in interpretation. Words that occur only once, in the originals, are emphatic and important. First day, Light. The first occurrences of all important words and expressions are noted in the margin.

TWO. Denotes difference. If two different persons agree in testimony it is conclusive. Otherwise two implies opposition, enmity, and division, as was the work of the Second day. Compare the use of the word "double" applied to "heart", "tongue", "mind", etc.

THREE. Denotes completeness, as three lines complete a plane figure. Hence, three is significant of Divine perfection and completeness. The third day completes the fundamentals of creation-work. The fourth, fifth, and sixth days are the counterpart and repetition of the first, second, and third, and correspond respectively. (See the structure of Genesis 1) The number, three, includes resurrection also; for on the third day the earth rose up out of the deep, and fruit rose up out of the earth.

FOUR. Denotes creative works (3 + 1), and always has reference to the material creation, as pertaining to the earth, and things "under the sun", and things terrestrial.

FIVE. Denotes Divine grace. It is 4 + 1. It is God adding His gifts and blessing to the works of His hands. The Hebrew Ha'aretz (the earth), by "Gematria" (that is to say the addition of the numerical value of the letters together) is a multiple of four, while Hashamayim (the heavens) is a multiple of five. The Gematria of (charis), the Greek for Grace, is also a multiple of five. It is the leading factor in the Tabernacle measurements.

SIX. Denotes the human number. Man was created on the sixth day; and this first occurrence of the number makes it (and all multiples of it) the hall-mark of all connected with man. He works six days. The hours of his day are a multiple of six. Athaliah usurped the throne of Judah six years. The great men who have stood out in defiance of God (Goliath and Nebuchadnezzar and Antichrist) are all emphatically marked by this number.

SEVEN. Denotes spiritual perfection. It is the number or hall-mark of the Holy Spirit's work. He is the Author of God's Word, and seven is stamped on it as the water-mark is seen in the manufacture of paper. He is the Author and Giver of life; and seven is the number which regulates every period of Incubation and Gestation, in insects, birds, animals, and man.

EIGHT. Denotes resurrection, regeneration; a new beginning or commencement. The eighth is a new first. Hence the octave in music, colour, days of the week, etc. It is the number which has to do with the LORD, Who rose on the eighth, or new "first-day". This is , therefore, the Dominical number. By Gematria (see above), (Jesus) makes the numbers 888. It, or its multiple is impressed on all that has to do with the Lord's Names, the Lord's People, the Lord's works.

NINE. Denotes Finality of judgment. It is 3 x 3, the product of Divine completeness. The number nine, or its factors or multiples, is seen in all cases when judgment is the subject.

TEN. Denotes Ordinal perfection. Another new first; after the ninth digit, when numeration commences anew.

ELEVEN. Denotes disorder, disorganization, because it is one short of the number twelve (see below).

TWELVE. Denotes Governmental perfection. It is the number or factor of all numbers connected with government: whether by Tribes or Apostles, or in measurements of time, or in things which have to do with government in the heavens and the earth.

THIRTEEN. Denotes rebellion, apostasy, defection, disintegration, revolution, etc. The first occurrence fixes this (Genesis 14:4); and the second confirms it (Genesis 17:25). It, and its multiples, are seen in all numbers, and in the Gematria (see above) of all names and passages that are associated with rebellion, etc.

SEVENTEEN. Denotes a combination of spirit and order (10 + 7). It is the seventh prime number (as 13 is the sixth prime number).

Other numbers follow the laws which govern the smaller numbers, as being their factors, sums, products or multiples: that is to say 24 is 12 x 2, a higher form of 12.
25 = 52. Grace intensified.
27 = 33. Divinity intensified.
28 = 7 x 4. Spiritual perfection in connection with the earth.
29 = 33 Intensifying of Divine judgment.
30 = 3 x 10. Divine perfection, applied to order.
40 = 10 x 4. Divine order applied to earthly things. Hence, the number of probation.

The four perfect numbers, 3,7,10, and 12, have for their product the remarkable number 2,520. It is the Least Common Multiple of the ten digits governing all numeration; and can, therefore, be divided by each of nine digits, without a remainder. It is the number of chronological perfection (7 x 360).

I found this interesting although I need to study it more .  I've always been concerned about the wording of the Bible being changed/corrupted over the years. See what ya'll think please. 

I believe with all my heart The LORD God will always keep the truth alive and well. The Adversary and the dark forces......."Both spiritual and flesh and blood human will without a doubt attempt to corrupt any and everything they can." 

One thing I always try to remember is that The LORD God allows things to occur. It's never about our will, but The LORD God's will. 

This is the reason if from lips of humans as well as all ink written or digital material is allowed to become corrupt, it's corruption will never reach the Spiritual Word of God written in the hearts of True Believers and Followers by The Very Spirit of God. 

The LORD God allows the wheat and the tares on the same field of play. The LORD God allows The Adversary (The Devil) to sow the tares among the wheat.

I truly believe "The Light" has shined on humanity. But what will each and every humans free will path choose?

Why does God send a strong delusion? I see it as a separation. Who will follow The Truth and who will follow The Lie?

Who loves Darkness more than The Light?

There are only two paths......."There is no middle path."

Revelation 14:6........"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,"

Technical knowledge must not do anything for advancing goodness. Through all our human technology and advancement in knowledge our love appears to grow colder.

In the eyes of men, is it love or is it fear that keeps them more in line?

I look back to the building of The Tower of Babel when I think across these lines. The LORD God took action at that point in time to slow down the advancement.

Think of this symbolically.

In Genesis 3:14 when God put the curse on the serpent......" Upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life."

The serpent from the time the curse was placed upon him hungers for something mankind has. We possess something the serpent desires and the hunger pains never subside.

In Genesis 3:19 we can see that man is dust......."In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."

Most of us just see the curse on the serpent as its slithering along on its belly with the dust of the earth collecting in its mouth. But could it have a much darker meaning than we've ever imagined?

"For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. (Matthew 24:5)

Many will come preaching and teaching that he (Jesus) in fact was and is the Christ. But the problem is from their tongues it will not be the complete real deal. They will water down Christ to fit into their little box. Placing inside their little box the things that are liked and the remainder will be disregarded. This prophecy of Christ has been taking place for a very long time and I believe will grow even stronger.

If you try and please everyone you will soon find you no longer are on a strong foundation.

Peter Goodgame wrote:

At one point during the earthly ministry of Jesus Christ He sent some of His disciples into a village in Samaria to make arrangements for Him to lodge there on His way into Jerusalem. However, the Samaritan village refused to host Jesus and His disciples, and after hearing of this James and John both approached Jesus angrily and said to Him, "Lord, do you want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?" To this Jesus responded by rebuking them, saying, "You do not know what kind of spirit you are of; for the son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them." (Luke 9:54-56)

The very name of Jesus, which is Yeshua in Hebrew, comes from the Hebrew root word yesha, which means "to save." On the other hand, the two names of the Antichrist that are given in Revelation 9:11 are Abaddon and Apollyon, which can both be translated to mean "The Destroyer." Jesus the Messiah is the Savior of the world, while the Antichrist is the great Destroyer.

The Greek name Apollyon comes from the Greek verb apollu, which means "to destroy;" it is the word used in the Greek New Testament in the passage from Luke quoted above. The name Appollyon is also related to the Greek word apoleia which means "destruction." The Apostle Paul used this word when he referred in Philippians 3:18-19 to the people in the world who are "enemies of the cross of Christ, whose end is destruction." The word apoleia is also found within the following well-known teaching of Jesus:

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." (Matthew 7:13-14)

And just who is this Greek god Apollyon who makes his strange appearance in the book of Revelation? Charles Penglase is an Australian professor who specializes in ancient Greek and Near Eastern religion and mythology. In his book, Greek Myths and Mesopotamia: Parallels and Influence in the Homeric Hymns and Hesiod, Penglase carefully and methodically demonstrates that the Greek myths and legends of Apollo were simply Greek retellings of the Babylonian myths involving the rise to power of the god Marduk, which were themselves based on earlier legends of the Sumerian hunter/hero known as Ninurta. Furthermore, according to David Rohl, the original name for Ninurta was in fact Nimurda, whose historical identity can be traced back to King Enmerkar of Uruk, the very same figure who is known in the Bible as Nimrod.

There are verses of scripture as well as other ancient text that I believe open a door for understanding those who will come from beyond this earth and will be part of the judgment upon this earth. I believe they can take different forms and is and will be part of the great deception.

Karla Turner mentions some very interesting things in her work on Aliens and abductions........"Aliens can control what we think we see. They can appear to us in any number of guises and shapes."

In Chapter 19 of the Book of Enoch we see how the Angels (Watchers) who came to earth and genetically mixed with women can take on many different forms. This chapter really gives us something to think about with the forms they took on and how they can or will take on again.

1Then Uriel said, Here the angels, who cohabited with women, appointed their leaders;


2And being numerous in appearance ("assuming many forms") made men profane, and caused them to err; so that they sacrificed to devils as to gods. For in the great day there shall be a judgment, with which they shall be judged, until they are consumed; and their wives also shall be judged, who led astray the angels of heaven that they might salute them..


3And I, Enoch, I alone saw the likeness of the end of all things. Nor did any human being see it, as I saw it.



Here below are some great verses in Isaiah that point to where they come from and how they will be among mankind and judged on this earth when That Day comes.

Isaiah 24:21-23


And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.


And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.


host of the high ones that are on high.......I believe this is speaking of the Fallen Ones.

upon the earth.......They will be here on this earth with the kings of the earth.

they shall be gathered together.......Both the Fallen Ones and mankind (kings of the earth) will be together.

shall be shut up in the prison.......This earth will be their prison and the Fallen Ones will no longer be able to return in any part of the heavens. They won't be able to escape this realm.

I believe Noah as it says in the Bible was perfect in his generations. His genetics or bloodline had not been corrupted by the mixing with the Watchers and their offspring........" The offspring were a hybrid any way you care to look at it." Everything after it's own kind was now being destroyed.

"After his kind"

"But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.......All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds........There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another."(1 Corinthians 15:38-40)

Does not mean for one second Noah was a perfect human without sin, it's just his genetics of a man (human only) were in tact.

I believe if Noah and those seven others hadn't been taken out of that old world, very soon all would have been lost to a tainted genetics. God destroyed that old world and saved Noah and his family. Through this, Noah was not tainted by the genetic mixing. They then began to replenish the earth.

Later we read the giants (Nephilim) began popping up once again. God never let things get as out of hand as it was before the flood. Joshua and David in scripture took care of most of the remaining giants. God instructed many times in scripture to go in and kill everything.

I believe scripture is very clear how the giants began to pop up again after the flood of Noah. Genesis Chapter 6:4........"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

"giants in the earth in those days".......There were giants here on earth in the days before the flood.

"and also after that".......After the flood of Noah there were also giants.

"when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them".......The sons of God came before the flood and also after the flood, creating offspring with women."

As I mentioned earlier it never was allowed to become as widespread after the flood as it was before the flood of Noah. Do we know all the details?......."No we don't". The pure human genetics had to remain uncontaminated from the mixing, as it made it's way to the birth of Jesus The Christ.

I believe the genetics will be tainted once again. It may not be in the exact same fashion as it was, but I believe it will occur.

Pure human genetics will go forward. On through this present time, on through the future millennial Kingdom, on through the little season when The Adversary (Satan) is released from his prison to go out and deceive the nations of the world once again. 

Once Satan's little season is over, he and the rebellion will be defeated. The final judgment will then take place and soon new heavens and a new earth, as well as the total ending of the human flesh and blood. The temporary will be replaced by an eternal. There will be no time, no clock ticking, as is the case in our human form.

The Bible teaches us we will not know the day or the hour of Jesus Christ return, much like the Feast of Trumpets, where there was a two day period and sometime during those two days the trumpet would sound. Only the high priest knew the day and hour the trumpet would blow.

Once the trumpet was blown the Jewish people would make their journey to Jerusalem. They would carry with them at all times during the two day period what they would need for the journey.

If they worked in the fields they carried everything they would need with them. They were always prepared because they never knew the exact day or hour.

When Christ returns it will be in like manor. As Christ said......"Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house"............"Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes."

We must be prepared, we must be ready, we must be awake and "Watching". Don't look back at "The World" or the things of "The World", we must look forward and upward.

Christ said we won't know the day or hour, but he never left us deaf, blind or asleep. If we choose to be deaf, blind and asleep, then we will be just as that evil servant who said....."My lord delayeth his coming."

Another good example would be the ancient Hebrew wedding custom. When the man got permission from the brides family to marry her he would return to his fathers house and ask permission to start building a room to the house for he and his bride.

Word would be send forth to the bride within a couple of days when he would be coming for her. She would always keep oil in her lamp so if he came at night she would be ready to go out and meet him. A trumpet would also be blown in the town to announce the grooms arrival.

Remember the ten virgins? Five had no oil for their lamps when the bridegroom was about to come........."And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him."

They were not prepared to meet their bridegroom and by the time they bought some oil and returned the bridegroom had already come and the door was closed........."And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut."

Matthew 25:13......."Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh."

As it was in the days of Noah, when the door to the Ark was shut and with it's closing....... "Fate was sealed".

Revelation 3:3


Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Christ lay these words out to the church in Sardis and it certainly has much to say to all of us who are believers doesn't it?

As was the case of the church of Sardis, we believers have received and heard The Word. But if we don't hold fast onto what we have received and heard, we will stop watching, fall away and Christ will come on us as a thief.

I believe this verse shows how we can fall away by turning our backs to Christ. When we turn away from Christ we no longer have our eyes and ears fixated on Christ. We are not holding fast, we are not watching, and we have fallen away.

I know there are those who don't follow this line of thinking. But I will say this again, "How can I fall from something I've never had?"....... I must first have something before I can fall from it. Now if I've received something I most certainly can then fall away from holding onto it, believing it, or having faith in it. I can turn my back, I can walk away and I can reject it.

I can also fall away from the truth by believing a lie. I can believe the lie to be the truth, and by being deceived by the lie, fall away from the truth.

Isaiah goes as far as saying the heavens and the earth won't even be remembered or come into mind after the new creation of the heavens and the earth takes place. It will be as if they never existed.

When we hear people talk about the heavenly life after this earthly life they seem to think we will remember our days here on this earth.

But I ask, "Will we?"


Isaiah 65:17


For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.


2 Corinthians 4:18


While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

One of the mysteries of God I believe that is being played out is for all the Heavenly Host, both good and fallen to witness what is taking place on this earth. God is showing and teaching all his Host of Heaven by using humans and the Church as an example of his wisdom.

I believe if there are other creatures or life forms out there in this "Visible', they also have been stained and are in decay.

 I can't rule out God having other creations that are not spiritual. But one thing for sure, if they are out there somewhere and die as everyone and everything on this earth does, they also have the curse on them. I don't care how long they can live or genetically alter themselves, if they die they have sin and are stained also.

Since Mike contributed to this thread, I wanted to let everyone know that he went to be with the Lord during the night, his wife told me this morning. 
He wasn't worried about himself but asked us to pray for her well being . She is one of us that believes strongly like Mike. She has a lot on her now.  God bless and watch over her with His hedge of protection and loving care.

I feel for her loss and pray for her and the family. I miss Mike every day since his time on the forum stopped. I believe with all my heart there is comfort and peace for him. He will be a great memory for me with all the great discussions we had. This walk will be one all of us take. Love you brother Mike.

I've missed Michael's dedication and the depth of his studies.

But surely to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

I have prayed and sincerely hope that family and friends step in to take care
of Mrs. Michael.   Even beyond our best hopes.  

Michael told me this : As some of us already know,  he had serious colon cancer  years ago  and not expected to live but was given 15 more years. He told me he got the grim news the second time 15 years exactly  after he prayed for more time. His words... " Ms. Judy it was exactly 15 years to the day, yes, 15 years to the day from the first time ! just like Hezekiah  and I am content and ready. "    I wanted ya'll to know this.   He faced a lot of ridicule  for his beliefs but still stayed strong in his beliefs. 
  God bless his dear wife with strength. Amen.

bordercollie wrote:

 He faced a lot of ridicule  for his beliefs but still stayed strong in his beliefs. 
 

I had a good talk with a long time member on another forum a few years ago and I think about it all the time. We both are very passionate in our beliefs and a few times we both said things we wish we could take back. Like so many things in life, once we took those steps we couldn't go back and erase what was spoken. The only thing we could do is take another step forward and admit we were wrong.

Sometimes we forget there is nobody exactly like each one of us. I believe many times all of us allow the window dressing of our views to block the light of the core. Everything we think about is human centered. It clouds our minds. Many postulations are put forward based on some ones idea of philosophy of life, this world and death.

It's like saying we have God figured out......."We don't!"

Isaiah 55:8-9 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways, my ways, saith the Lord.


For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."

We cannot comprehend this timeless omnipotent God, nor comprehend the idea He can love something of such insignificance as us in this dustbin.

The Adversary ( The Deceiver) makes us want to do it our way, when if we knew even an inkling of it, we would crawl on our faces in adoration and worship of the living God.

Dear ScaRZ,  I wonder if you'd be interested in turning your attention to a particular
phenomenon of the two brothers that carries through antiquity into the Bible.

There is Enki and Enlil.

Romulus and Remus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ1v6SyD9GY

Isaac and Ishmael

Jacob and Esau


and more, I'm sure, that don't come to mind atm.


There are lessons here, no doubt.

I've come to the conclusion Reptilians are real.  What can I say...

Dove wrote:

I've come to the conclusion Reptilians are real.  What can I say...

Start with a hat tip and a thank you to David Icke. (and a few peeps on this forum)

  thank you all!    It certainly explains the GARDEN snake, doesn't it?

Dove wrote:

Dear ScaRZ,  I wonder if you'd be interested in turning your attention to a particular
phenomenon of the two brothers that carries through antiquity into the Bible.

There is Enki and Enlil.

Romulus and Remus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ1v6SyD9GY

Isaac and Ishmael

Jacob and Esau

and more, I'm sure, that don't come to mind atm.

There are lessons here, no doubt.

Strange that you should just ask about Enki and Enlil and then today I run across this video with an Apache Indian on the same subject. I haven’t watched it all (skipped around in it though) and thought you might find something interesting in it.

The Leak Project u-tube channel has some mighty interesting video.
 
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Zuni Elder Reveals Anunnaki Brothers Enki & Enlil, First Nations Parallels, Greg Yawakia
 
70 minutes
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6s6c5O_fZk

Dove wrote:

Dear ScaRZ,  I wonder if you'd be interested in turning your attention to a particular
phenomenon of the two brothers that carries through antiquity into the Bible.

There is Enki and Enlil.

Romulus and Remus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ1v6SyD9GY

Isaac and Ishmael

Jacob and Esau


and more, I'm sure, that don't come to mind atm.


There are lessons here, no doubt.

Don't forget Cain and Abel. 

Yes Dove there are lessons to be learned. There seems to be a great amount of jealousy involving brothers........"Doesn't it?"

Even within one man there is a constant battle of two sides. The two sides fiercely war against one another to be lead dog.

I was taught something when I was just a teenager from someone I knew and had great respect for. He told me to look at myself with my eyes wide open in the mirror and I would see both of those sides clearly.........With eyes to truly "See", I SAW THEM.

Peter Goodgame wrote:

After the "Fall," as it was called, God continued to care for and instruct humanity, yet He expected reverence and worship in return. The first recorded sin after the "Fall" was committed out of jealousy and involved God's requirement that He be worshiped on His own terms, rather than on man's terms. In the book of Genesis this is the story of Cain's murder of Abel. The same basic story is found, with a few subtle twists, in Sumerian mythology.

In the myth of Emesh and Enten two minor gods, one of farming and one of shepherding, fall into a quarrel. They finally bring their case to Nippur to be judged by Enlil who, in a decision that contradicts that given by the God of Genesis, chooses the farmer over the shepherd.

In the myth of Cattle and Grain the siblings Lahar, a cattle god, and Ashnan, a grain goddess, get into a quarrel over who deserves more recognition, but unfortunately the end of the myth has not survived.

The myth Inanna Prefers the Farmer is another variation on the Cain and Abel theme. In this story Inanna rejects the advances of the shepherd who then becomes belligerent towards Inanna's favorite, the farmer. Only after the farmer offers soothing words of appeasement and a number of gifts in consolation, including that of Inanna herself, does the shepherd's anger subside. In the Genesis account it is the farmer, Cain, who kills Abel the shepherd in a jealous rage.


Enlil and Enki, the two primary sons of Anu, who manage and organize human civilization and are often portrayed as bitter rivals. In the Sumerian language the word en means "lord," the word lil refers to the sky, wind, or lower atmosphere, and the word ki means "earth." Therefore En-lil, who appears in Sumerian myth as the primary decision-maker among the gods, possesses a name that makes him a "sky god," similar to Anu and somewhat similar to the Greek god Zeus. En-ki, on the other hand, even though his wishes are often over-ridden by Enlil, is known as "Lord Earth" or perhaps "The Lord of the Earth." Their combative relationship is portrayed throughout Sumerian myth and in the Akkadian and Babylonian myths that were written later.

Thank you, ScaRZ.  That was awesome.

It reminds me of how the 'Only acceptable sacrifice with honor' is of blood.

The Life is in the blood  
The blood cries out
All covenants between man and God are in blood
The New Covenant, in the blood of Jesus

The Life in the blood seems to be acknowledged as Divinely given.
The grain is of the earth,
of man's labor rather than a Holy, freely given impartation of Life

The Tree of Life was freely given
To labor for our 'daily bread' is part of the curse of the fall from Grace.
One must seek to go within to the Kingdom to recover such Grace state as can be
'held' while still on the earth and this 'earthly vessel'. 

One would think that even the dust, the dirt Adam was first formed from
was Holy at the time of his creation, prior to the fall, as the Garden was
a 'set apart' place made exclusively for man to move, live and have his
being in communion with God.

I appreciate you all so much!  

I almost had a very bad day, but then remembered He is Always with us, even in times of trouble.
The Saving Grace